DayBreak - Titanium Client

[Beldon]

Since DayBreak has acknowledged P99 and they don't seem to have a problem with the server, do you think they would host a free download of the Titanium Client or allow P99 to do so?

[Duncon]

Or even one for a fee.

[alcoma23]

I wouldn't count on it. Just because they are cool with P99 as a server doesn't mean they are going to provide people who may be looking for a more "classic" type server direct access to it. They want people playing their own servers, particularly the TLPs to get that subscription fee.

Besides, it isn't too difficult to get a copy of titanium.

[theguyy]

I assure you they have a big problem with p99, it's just easier to pretend to embrace then it is to kill it.

When Daybreak goes on twitch and every stream is p99 99% of the time I promise you they aren't happy. My prediction is this Daybreak "alliance" will have more and more conditions as time goes on.

[Swish]

Who wants to watch some guy 3-boxing with Luclin models doing trivial content hitting for 10000000000 damage? Not me.

I think there's a reason there's more P99 streamers.

[Champion_Standing]

If asked they would likely claim that they no longer have the files and don't know where to get them.

[Grimjaw]

I assure you they have a big problem with p99, it's just easier to pretend to embrace then it is to kill it.

When Daybreak goes on twitch and every stream is p99 99% of the time I promise you they aren't happy. My prediction is this Daybreak "alliance" will have more and more conditions as time goes on.



its like making a deal with the devil?

[Oleris]

they are gonna charge $9.89 in the near future.

[Calibretto]

The first time they are able to prove that p99 is taking from their potential player base (and profits) one of two things will happen.

a. C&D letter. Game over.
b. An offer is made to the people in charge of p99 and it becomes a part of daybreak at least in some capacity. (Not saying cash shop etc. just a choice on the Live server selection) and likely become subscription based.


I'd actually have 0 problem being charged a sub to play on this server if it was a fresh start.

[RevengeofGio]

I'd pay $5 for it. That's friendly and it would pay for it to be hosted legally. Yay everyone?

[Tsalarioth]

The first time they are able to prove that p99 is taking from their potential player base (and profits) one of two things will happen.

a. C&D letter. Game over.
b. An offer is made to the people in charge of p99 and it becomes a part of daybreak at least in some capacity. (Not saying cash shop etc. just a choice on the Live server selection) and likely become subscription based.


I'd actually have 0 problem being charged a sub to play on this server if it was a fresh start.

I honestly don't think it's taking from their player base and I'm pretty sure they don't either. There are lots of people who play on both P99 and Live. There are also a *lot* of people on Live who have no desire to play on P99, whether it be due to lack of opportunity to raid on a regular basis and top heavy nature of the server, or due to the fact that there are actually a lot of people who enjoy the comforts of modern EQ and have no desire to return to the days of corpse runs and hell levels.

I think offering a download of the Titanium client for $10 or so would be a great way for them to make some money and it wouldn't realistically take anyone with a current paid sub away from their servers. Even better would be a legitimate version of the patched client for P99.

[Enderenter]

I assure you they have a big problem with p99, it's just easier to pretend to embrace then it is to kill it.

When Daybreak goes on twitch and every stream is p99 99% of the time I promise you they aren't happy. My prediction is this Daybreak "alliance" will have more and more conditions as time goes on.

Yeah, their problem is that their biggest idea for EQ so far is a progession server. (That happens to be vastly inferior to p99)

[alcoma23]

The first time they are able to prove that p99 is taking from their potential player base (and profits) one of two things will happen.

a. C&D letter. Game over.
b. An offer is made to the people in charge of p99 and it becomes a part of daybreak at least in some capacity. (Not saying cash shop etc. just a choice on the Live server selection) and likely become subscription based.


I'd actually have 0 problem being charged a sub to play on this server if it was a fresh start.

I agree. I would totally pay a sub fee to be able to play something like this from start. For now tho, I suggest donating what you can to the devs of P99. If, Tunare forbid, a C&D did come in from Daybreak, the donations would show them that there is a very healthy population of people who want to play EQ as close to classic as possible. Might encourage them to do something similar instead of dropping another farce of a progression server on us.

[Calibretto]

There would be a ton more people playing here if it wasn't such a shady pita to get a copy of Titanium. Even buying a copy of titanium from an online vendor takes days to get to you via shipping. Tons of people would roll toons on a new very refined classic server and tons of people who don't currently play EQ would subscribe to come check it out too...

I can imagine this conversation or one like it has occurred over 1000 times on this forum but w/e.

[Calibretto]

I honestly don't think it's taking from their player base and I'm pretty sure they don't either. There are lots of people who play on both P99 and Live. There are also a *lot* of people on Live who have no desire to play on P99, whether it be due to lack of opportunity to raid on a regular basis and top heavy nature of the server, or due to the fact that there are actually a lot of people who enjoy the comforts of modern EQ and have no desire to return to the days of corpse runs and hell levels.

I think offering a download of the Titanium client for $10 or so would be a great way for them to make some money and it wouldn't realistically take anyone with a current paid sub away from their servers. Even better would be a legitimate version of the patched client for P99.


If this were true I doubt the release of Velious would have been pushed back. I like the $10 dollar download idea though.

[Grimjaw]

the funny thing is, if they closed down p1999, they would probably lose more subs over it than gain

[Tsalarioth]

If this were true I doubt the release of Velious would have been pushed back. I like the $10 dollar download idea though.

I think that was more in a hope that current P99 players will re-sub on live servers rather than the other way around. No one on live is thinking to themselves, "OMG! Velious!? I need to quit my 105 cleric that I've taken the time to get 12k AAs on to go spend 6 months leveling a brand new character to 60 so I can raid NTOV!" especially considering they probably spent plenty of time in Velious-esque zones and raids 2 expansions ago with re-vamped EW/Kael/CC/CTOV. As someone who has played both casually and raided at different points over the past few years on live, I just don't think there's the discontent or desire to re-play old content that the average P99'r thinks there is. Most people on live just want more new content, not rehashed old content, especially after 2 relatively small expansions with a very small number of raids.

[Clark]

The first time they are able to prove that p99 is taking from their potential player base (and profits) one of two things will happen.

a. C&D letter. Game over.
b. An offer is made to the people in charge of p99 and it becomes a part of daybreak at least in some capacity. (Not saying cash shop etc. just a choice on the Live server selection) and likely become subscription based.


I'd actually have 0 problem being charged a sub to play on this server if it was a fresh start.

Ya I'd pay too for a fresh start. Best thing would be the GMs wouldn't be volunteer, but paid. No chance of corruption like we've experienced with Amelinda, Derubael, ect, and much better customer service overall. Definitely would support.

[Swish]

Ya I'd pay too for a fresh start. Best thing would be the GMs wouldn't be volunteer, but paid. No chance of corruption like we've experienced with Amelinda, Derubael, ect, and much better customer service overall. Definitely would support.

Proof on Derubael? Nobody has offered any. Clean until proven dirty imo.

We had some for Amelinda.

[Rararboker]

And I seem to remember this C&D letter thing being discussed before. If blizzard couldn't get WoW emu's shut down, what makes you think these venture capitalist (whatever they are) could get it done?

[Clark]

Derubael is 100% guilty man; there was no thanking him for service, and it was immediate termination. He was RMTing items off of banned accounts. Promise you man he was dirty.

[jarshale]

also requesting source on that

[Clark]

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/undertaker-sitting-up7.gif?w=1000

Multiple sources. Hasn't been addressed publicly though. Swept under rug, ect.

[fastboy21]

Derubael is 100% guilty man; there was no thanking him for service, and it was immediate termination. He was RMTing items off of banned accounts. Promise you man he was dirty.

Well, if you promise then it must be true. Who needs evidence these days? :p

[Swish]

Last I spoke to him in game was in Mistmoore probably around September last year. He'd been turned into a human for screwing something up. Told me my SK was the wrong race (dark elf) but at least a decent class... and that he had screwed up some kind of refund on XP for someone (death related) and was worried Nilbog was going to grill him for it.

Hard to judge the guy off a few conversations and being in his stream, but he didn't strike me as the RMT type... just a good guy putting some time in for the community. It pained me to see what happened when he tried to run an event on red (Dagnor's Cauldron). He was streaming on Twitch and you could tell he was getting pissed off with people, he just wanted everyone to work together :p

Whatever his reason for retiring, I can't think it was some kind of RMT going on... he just didn't seem like that type of guy. Maybe he screwed up something in petitions or handled something badly, or just decided he'd had enough and wanted to do other things.

Amelinda's RMT though.... not surprised at all and prof got posted.

Got prof on Derubael? Post it up.

[Clark]

You guys are highly nieve if you think he wasn't involved in shady shit. He and Amelinda were the two main people with instant termination, and zero public thanks for time contributed to the project. Isn't really much to explain; word everywhere on the street the guy was dirty. No one of authority has stated otherwise either. Put two and two together don't be nieve. Anyways.. at least he is gone. Could use some more active in game GMs though focused on CSR, preferably Rogean because he did an excellent job 2009/2010 (Rogean come back we miss you!). Eunomia is having to carry the majority of the weight.

[Swish]

You guys are highly nieve if you think he wasn't involved in shady shit. He and Amelinda were the two main people with instant termination, and zero public thanks for time contributed to the project. Isn't really much to explain; word everywhere on the street the guy was dirty. No one of authority has stated otherwise either. Put two and two together don't be nieve. Anyways.. at least he is gone. Could use some more active in game GMs though focused on CSR. Eunomia is having to carry the majority of the weight.

The street didn't include the forums apparently, and if there's shit getting thrown about anyone anywhere its on the forums.

RL happens sometimes, people disappear... remember Alovia? Still lurking but that was a RL related exit, or is there some tinfoil conspiracy with RMT involvement there too?

I'll back Deru's integrity until I see some proof... post it up if you've got any.

[Clark]

Gonna have to agree to disagree my friend. Nothing has been refuted with anyone of authority. Is clear as day, and I don't fully understand why some of you refuse to see it. Isn't anywhere near a subject of much importance to me personally, but all the signs clearly point to it being an actual truth.

[fastboy21]

You guys are highly nieve if you think he wasn't involved in shady shit. He and Amelinda were the two main people with instant termination, and zero public thanks for time contributed to the project. Isn't really much to explain; word everywhere on the street the guy was dirty. No one of authority has stated otherwise either. Put two and two together don't be nieve. Anyways.. at least he is gone. Could use some more active in game GMs though focused on CSR, preferably Rogean because he did an excellent job 2009/2010 (Rogean come back we miss you!). Eunomia is having to carry the majority of the weight.

I wouldn't call it naive to want evidence before believing an assertion, especially when it is damning to someone's character.

Of course, regardless of any evidence, you could be right (or wrong).

[Clark]

I've been saying it multiple times since it happened, and no one has refuted it. There is overwhelming evidence. The main piece being he had zero public thanking for service, and immediate termination. Something we witnessed happen to Amelinda. Sometimes it's just a dog in a shark costume though to some people I guess.

https://thebpluslife.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/sharkpuppy1.jpg

[Clark]

http://i.imgur.com/awLNJ.jpg

[Rararboker]

While I agree with Swish, no evidence and all, the fact that people can go ahead bashing him and his reputation with 0 repercussions is sort of weird. Usually the staff doesn't condone that sort of stuff when people are bashing current staff members.

[fastboy21]

I've been saying it multiple times since it happened, and no one has refuted it. There is overwhelming evidence. The main piece being he had zero public thanking for service, and immediate termination. Something we witnessed happen to Amelinda. Sometimes it's just a dog in a shark costume though to some people I guess.

https://thebpluslife.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/sharkpuppy1.jpg

yah, we don't agree on what constitutes evidence.

the overwhelming evidence you cite ("zero public thanking for service" and "immediate termination") doesn't logically entail the conclusion you have put forward (RMT, etc.). It certainly points to something unusual having taken place, but it is not "overwhelming evidence" of the RMT you are describing.

[Seltius]

yah, we don't agree on what constitutes evidence.

the overwhelming evidence you cite ("zero public thanking for service" and "immediate termination") doesn't logically entail the conclusion you have put forward (RMT, etc.). It certainly points to something unusual having taken place, but it is not "overwhelming evidence" of the RMT you are describing.

I have to agree with Swish and fastboy21 here he may have done what you say or it may have been for another reason. No reason to bash him or drag him through the mud now. I liked him he was always friendly and tried to help. If he made mistakes the staff didnt see fit to make it public so no reason to speculate. Too much speculation and not enough proof in too many situations going on now days.

In the end he is no longer a GM for better or worse. Let it go and stop posting bashing him in threads that have nothing to do with it.


Edit: That said I think them offering to host or sell copies of Titanium would be a great way to make a minor profit off of a fanbase that they currently arent seeing anything from and a way to both support and ensure that their interests are protected instead of trying to C&D P1999. As others stated above there is no reason for them to fear P1999 or be concerned about losing profit. What would cause problems is if an Emulator started doing all of the current expansions and took away from their player base then they might come down on that emulater or everyone to make an example.

[drktmplr12]

You guys are highly nieve if you think he wasn't involved in shady shit. He and Amelinda were the two main people with instant termination, and zero public thanks for time contributed to the project. Isn't really much to explain; word everywhere on the street the guy was dirty. No one of authority has stated otherwise either. Put two and two together don't be nieve. Anyways.. at least he is gone. Could use some more active in game GMs though focused on CSR, preferably Rogean because he did an excellent job 2009/2010 (Rogean come back we miss you!). Eunomia is having to carry the majority of the weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

[myriverse]

Gonna have to agree to disagree my friend. Nothing has been refuted with anyone of authority. Is clear as day, and I don't fully understand why some of you refuse to see it. Isn't anywhere near a subject of much importance to me personally, but all the signs clearly point to it being an actual truth.
I would say it's naive to accept the word of people like you with zero to actually back it up. Frankly, a single trip through RNF shows that there's no need to refute a damned thing.

[Champion_Standing]

I like where this thread is going.

[drktmplr12]

I've been saying it multiple times since it happened, and no one has refuted it. There is overwhelming speculation on my part. The main piece being he had zero public thanking for service, and immediate termination. Something we witnessed happen to Amelinda. Sometimes it's just a dog in a shark costume though to some people I guess.

ftfy

Lack of opposition doesn't prove anything. Lack of public thanking for service doesn't prove anything. Immediate resignation doesn't prove anything. Similar circumstances to a proven case doesn't prove anything. Everything you are claiming is supposition. To pass it off as certainty is, in my opinion, not really fair to the accused. The only things that makes it 100% certain are (1) an admission by the accused or (2) a log showing transactions took place. You have provided neither. In conclusion, you have only proven that you have faith in your belief, which you are entitled to.

By the way, this is the first time I've seen the expression dog in shark costume. Don't see how the expression applies to the conversation. Anyone care to explain? Is it the converse of wolf in sheep's clothing?

To add to the actual thread:
What do they really stand to gain by monetizing the titanium client? It's not going to be very much and likely isn't worth the trouble for them. Think about it. They would need to dedicate server space and bandwidth to it (although it can be argued to be very cheap since they have the hardware already). They still need to pay people to package it, test it, implement the mirror. Let's say 1000 people download it for 10 bucks, which i think is a generous # of downloads. That's 10,000 dollars. I promise that barely pays the cost of implementing.

[Swish]

Maybe he isn't gone forever Clark, maybe he's on a break with no fixed date to come back? Boxers retire all the time.... until their next match :p

[Portasaurus]

WTB Sharkdog Meat

[Whirled]

WTB Sharkdog Meat

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51Xtl9lS-jL.jpg&f=1

How could you kill something that looks so friendly tho?

[Portasaurus]

http://i.imgur.com/o7TjJof.jpg

[pink grapefruit]

Gonna have to agree to disagree my friend. Nothing has been refuted with anyone of authority. Is clear as day, and I don't fully understand why some of you refuse to see it. Isn't anywhere near a subject of much importance to me personally, but all the signs clearly point to it being an actual truth.

It's not naive to withhold judgement in cases lacking much in the way of evidence. The simple truth is that we don't know what happened. No need to speculate wildly one way or another.

[Seltius]

http://i.imgur.com/o7TjJof.jpg

I love you guys! lol

[Rogean]

Let's keep this thread on topic and away from the staff (current or former) bashing or we'll lock.

Thanks!

Rog

[Daldaen]

You guys are highly nieve if you think he wasn't involved in shady shit. He and Amelinda were the two main people with instant termination, and zero public thanks for time contributed to the project. Isn't really much to explain; word everywhere on the street the guy was dirty. No one of authority has stated otherwise either. Put two and two together don't be nieve. Anyways.. at least he is gone. Could use some more active in game GMs though focused on CSR, preferably Rogean because he did an excellent job 2009/2010 (Rogean come back we miss you!). Eunomia is having to carry the majority of the weight.

Move Class C to zero CSR interaction. No petitions about raid merbs. Like VP was, but for all Class C targets.

You can only petition if you're some random grouping in Naggys Lair or Karnors and they drop a train on you.

That would save Sirken a ton of time and allow him to do other CSR things!

[Clark]

By the way, this is the first time I've seen the expression dog in shark costume. Don't see how the expression applies to the conversation. Anyone care to explain? Is it the converse of wolf in sheep's clothing?

You guys all made my week thank you; love the pictures. Also my previous statements seem to reign true, and have not been debunked. As Young Jay Z says on to the next one.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/10/28/1382964057305/A-dog-in-a-shark-costume--028.jpg

[Coldrun]

I'd definitely pay for it.

I just learned about Project 1999 pretty recently, and got really excited to try it. Saw that it required a Titanium download, and when I searched for that on eBay/Amazon, it was just ridiculously expensive.

Every thread about it suggests going to TPB, but I've never used them or anything like it before, and the one attempt I made at a similar method triggered my antivirus. Forget that.

I'm sure there's safe ways to grab it, but it's just not worth it for me to mess around with that stuff given my lack of knowledge in the area. Hope that I could end up buying Titanium somewhere relatively cheap and safe in the near future so that I can try this awesome-looking version of a game that I left in PoP.

[Calibretto]

For the record. If they made me a GM i would definitely be selling pixels to you noobs for real life money. Integrity is an illusion folks. Deal with it.

[milsorgen]

I wouldn't count on it. Just because they are cool with P99 as a server doesn't mean they are going to provide people who may be looking for a more "classic" type server direct access to it. They want people playing their own servers, particularly the TLPs to get that subscription fee.

Besides, it isn't too difficult to get a copy of titanium.

Yeah if you got the money :(

[Tiewon Shu]

I honestly don't think it's taking from their player base and I'm pretty sure they don't either. . .

I think offering a download of the Titanium client for $10 or so would be a great way for them to make some money and it wouldn't realistically take anyone with a current paid sub away from their servers. Even better would be a legitimate version of the patched client for P99.


There is on average 1200 players nightly on Blue. That's $18000.00 monthly on a $15.00 subscription, $216,000.00 annually. I am certain Daybreak can pay a lot of employees with that kind of income.

Like others have mentioned, they can simply buy out P99 and add it to their server list and charge a sub. Why sell the client when they can get the community?

[kaev]

There is on average 1200 players nightly on Blue. That's $18000.00 monthly on a $15.00 subscription, $216,000.00 annually. I am certain Daybreak can pay a lot of employees with that kind of income.

Like others have mentioned, they can simply buy out P99 and add it to their server list and charge a sub. Why sell the client when they can get the community?

There're a pair of gaping holes in your logic there, unspoken assumptions that you provide zero evidence to support. It's quite likely that DBG is very aware of just how false your conclusion is.

[DeadlyReza]

There're a pair of gaping holes in your logic there, unspoken assumptions that you provide zero evidence to support. It's quite likely that DBG is very aware of just how false your conclusion is.

Like would people still play if they had to pay. ..

[milsorgen]

There is on average 1200 players nightly on Blue. That's $18000.00 monthly on a $15.00 subscription, $216,000.00 annually. I am certain Daybreak can pay a lot of employees with that kind of income.

Like others have mentioned, they can simply buy out P99 and add it to their server list and charge a sub. Why sell the client when they can get the community?

216k... that's like 4 Employees that can do real work and maybe 8 for grunt/community work.