tip for learning a zone without maps

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

This might be obvious, but maybe someone will find it useful.

On this server, I like to see if I can remember these old zones, or re-learn them without always looking at a map and/or using /loc.

This can be tricky. Even if you have invis and itu gtg, being lost is being lost. Here is a trick I use.

(Note: this is for exploring/learning, not fighting in, a dungeon or zone)

When you get to a place where you know where you are, target a mob, and keep that mob targeted. Then explore, and if you think you are getting lost, see if you can backtrack. Your targeted mob will be flashing for you to verify, yes, ok, I am back here.

I use this trick a lot to make sure I have a zone down pat. Works really well to prevent getting totally lost or going in circles.

A second trick, one can also drop a piece of food or some other disposable item on the ground, just like the trail of bread crumbs from the fairy tale. Only shortcoming there is the item poofs after 5 minutes or so, but this method still works if you are trying to learn a quick run -- like how to learn the maze in Cazic Thule.


there are other ways to find your way than maps! You can learn zones "in game" if you use these techniques. I am sure others have other tips.

[Cecily]

Imagine most outdoor zones as a square. The sides of those squares as having north, south, west, and east walls (Max sense heading!). On certain walls there is zone lines. Learn which wall they are on first. Then learn where they are respective of how far up or down they on that wall.

That's all there is to it. Hug walls at first. Once you have a better picture of the zones in your head, you can cut through them. Check out the maps on the wiki, they are invaluable for going to new places.

[applesauce25r624]

really good to remember coordinates for some of the more hidden zonelines

in burning wood, if i need to bail to skyfire i know my second coordinate needs to be 1750

if i need to go to dreadlands, -750

familiarize yourself with the uneven zonelines (like the DL zoneline area in BW that i just mentioned)

best to just remember both coordinates so you can go in a straight line. cuts down a shitload of travel time

[Jarlon]

hmm something to think about.

[Lune]

Imagine most outdoor zones as a square. The sides of those squares as having north, south, west, and east walls (Max sense heading!). On certain walls there is zone lines. Learn which wall they are on first. Then learn where they are respective of how far up or down they on that wall.

That's all there is to it. Hug walls at first. Once you have a better picture of the zones in your head, you can cut through them. Check out the maps on the wiki, they are invaluable for going to new places.

This. After a while you can enter Frontier mountains from loio, point yourself in a direction, autorun... bam, 5 mins later you're at the overthere ZL

[jarshale]

Imagine most outdoor zones as a square. The sides of those squares as having north, south, west, and east walls (Max sense heading!). On certain walls there is zone lines. Learn which wall they are on first. Then learn where they are respective of how far up or down they on that wall.

That's all there is to it. Hug walls at first. Once you have a better picture of the zones in your head, you can cut through them. Check out the maps on the wiki, they are invaluable for going to new places.

This so much.

[Clark]

Imagine most outdoor zones as a square. The sides of those squares as having north, south, west, and east walls (Max sense heading!). On certain walls there is zone lines. Learn which wall they are on first. Then learn where they are respective of how far up or down they on that wall.

That's all there is to it. Hug walls at first. Once you have a better picture of the zones in your head, you can cut through them. Check out the maps on the wiki, they are invaluable for going to new places.

[Swish]

If you run in a straight line north from the orc lift you zone straight into Crushbone.

http://media3.giphy.com/media/5bo8XMq0GROw0/giphy.gif

[fastboy21]

wasn't there a program that overlay'd a map showing your location (based on your text log file reporting your loc)?

can't seem to find link, but it would be a great aid for someone truly new to the game.

[myriverse]

I usually pick landmarks and remember their visual locations relative to each other.

Yes, there's a third-party map program: norrathmap.com.

[Reemer]

all rights in upper guk will take you to lower guk

[Kutsumo]

I usually pick landmarks and remember their visual locations relative to each other.

Yes, there's a third-party map program: .

Just FYI to those considering downloading/using this, Sirken said on the stream last night that they do not approve use of this 3rd party program and if they have a way to detect its use, "you will have a bad time here."

[Bboboo]

Just FYI to those considering downloading/using this, Sirken said on the stream last night that they do not approve use of this 3rd party program and if they have a way to detect its use, "you will have a bad time here."

Pretty sure the maps that just check your log.txt file are fine.

Unless things have changed recently.

[Halius]

What I do for some harder to find areas, such as the tunnels that go from Warsliks to Loio or the tunnel in FM that goes to DL (I always have trouble finding these damn spots). I make a macro of the loc of those locations. So if I am trying to find them again I just click the macro and my character will /say the location and then I can just run to that loc.

[Eunomia]

Pretty sure the maps that just check your log.txt file are fine.

Unless things have changed recently.

The devs went to a lot of effort to remove maps from the game to create a classic experience. They do not appreciate you circumventing what they did. We currently don't have a way to detect the use of this program. If they do create a way...

"you will have a bad time here."

[Kika Maslyaka]

The devs went to a lot of effort to remove maps from the game to create a classic experience. They do not appreciate you circumventing what they did. We currently don't have a way to detect the use of this program. If they do create a way...

Thats a funny comment, considering the creator of a program SPECIFICALLY asked Rogean IF creating this program was within allowed 3rd party programs scope, willing to abort if Rogean would disprove. And Rogean said - you fine. :rolleyes:

[curtischoy]

wasn't there a program that overlay'd a map showing your location (based on your text log file reporting your loc)?

can't seem to find link, but it would be a great aid for someone truly new to the game.

https://www.norrathmap.com/

[curtischoy]

From a third party program standpoint, this is legitimate. Doesn't manipulate the client, just reads from log file. Not comparable to SEQ or MQ2 as it doesn't share those programs advantages. As I've stated previously, in most cases, so long as a program doesn't manipulate the client itself and is only reading from a log file, it can be used on this server.

From a classic standpoint, also legitimate. The technology to do this was clearly present at the time of Everquest's release.

Investigations GM gives it the thumbs up. Unless management chimes in and says otherwise, this is fine.*

*Project 1999 does not endorse and is not affiliated with www.ahungry.com or any of the programs or services contained within that site. Please always use caution when browsing the internet, and use any programs you find not hosted on www.project1999.com at your own risk. The statements contained within this post are only valid as they pertain to these programs not getting you banned on Project 1999 for their use.

[Eunomia]

Thats a funny comment, considering the creator of a program SPECIFICALLY asked Rogean IF creating this program was within allowed 3rd party programs scope, willing to abort if Rogean would disprove. And Rogean said - you fine. :rolleyes:

It might be a good idea to assume the position has changed.

You can continue rolling the dice along with your eyeballs.

[Kika Maslyaka]

It might be a good idea to assume the position has changed.

You can continue rolling the dice along with your eyeballs.

It might be a good idea to learn anything about me before suggesting "ideas".
The position was flawed from the start which I pointed out immediately.
Keep rolling whatever you rolling, honey.

[mayhem32]

So norrathmap is okay, but its not okay? Gotcha.

Edit: I don't use norrathmap, but some sort of definitive answer would be great. Not trying to be a dick.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Thats a funny comment, considering the creator of a program SPECIFICALLY asked Rogean IF creating this program was within allowed 3rd party programs scope, willing to abort if Rogean would disprove. And Rogean said - you fine. :rolleyes:

Perhaps that was said. So?

Perhaps that decision should be revisited. Rogean is not Moses, and he and the other devs can change their mind about a third party program.

My vote of exactly 1 goes to: they should reconsider approving that program. It functions as an overlay that adds a whole level of functionality that is specifically not meant to be on their version of "classic." I say, nix it.

[Champion_Standing]

I like to take screenshots as I travel through zones and create an elaborate storyboard that will teach me an important life lesson and also help me memorize the zone.

[azeth]

/note opens an in-game notepad

add relevant locs, or directions.

example -

Kith - West to Highpass, East to WC. DE cabin +800 +2200

[fastboy21]

It might be a good idea to assume the position has changed.

You can continue rolling the dice along with your eyeballs.

I don't understand this comment.

Is it against the rules or not? Forget the issue of detection. It seems like you are implying that it is against the rules, but we have no way of getting caught yet. If that's what you are saying it goes against the last official statement I saw made when the program was originally released.

Many of us here follow the rules regardless of whether we will get caught. If its against the rules someone should clearly state so...I for one wouldn't use it if this was clearly stated.

All you need to do is clearly state it. "Yes, it is currently okay to use. We will get back to you if things change." or "No, you can't use this program. We are working on way of punishing those who refuse to follow the rules and use it."

[Eunomia]

Please listen to GM Sirken's stream at 1:10:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d95bTYEZtfs

GM Sirken is the Lead CSR GM

[Eunomia]

If I get time, I'll listen to his other streams where it has been mentioned previously and link times.

[fastboy21]

If I get time, I'll listen to his other streams where it has been mentioned previously and link times.

I trust you. Eunomia, if you say it is against the rules then I don't need to listen to a Sirken podcast (nor would I expect you to listen to them for me and link the timestamps).

My comment was really just asking for a direct answer. Yes or no.

If you say it is against the rules then it absolutely is, and I will never use it regardless of whether or not I can be caught.

[Pringles]

I trust you. Eunomia, if you say it is against the rules then I don't need to listen to a Sirken podcast (nor would I expect you to listen to them for me and link the timestamps).

My comment was really just asking for a direct answer. Yes or no.

If you say it is against the rules then it absolutely is, and I will never use it regardless of whether or not I can be caught.

You must use printed maps in a binder! Shits classic.

[Voland]

I don't get the tip about keeping a mob targeted - how is it gonna help you backtrack?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Why can't more players have Fastboy21's attitude about the server lol.

Imo, it is not that using maps is evil, or weak, or anything else, other than, this is not our server. This is an actual, real -- gasp -- gm'd server. We play on a pretty decent *free* persistent playground, and the people who run it have a right to set teh rules, and we get to enjoy then how this all plays out.

And integral to the idea of this server is restricting or at least being very careful about 3rd party programs that would run alongside the game. I would be more put off than I am about the raid scene (!) if I found out, for example, boxing and mq'ing were being secretly tolerated.

I mean, we are trying to create what many would call "living hell" here. No cheating.



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[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I don't get the tip about keeping a mob targeted - how is it gonna help you backtrack?

You can backtrack, and if you target a static mob at a crucial crossroads, in a maze-y or forest-y area, it serves as a verification, yes, you are back at that crossroads. See what i mean? It's doesn't lead you back; it verifies you are back.


edit: of course, we all know the best way to learn a zone:
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/62353239.jpg

[Cecily]

Be a rogue and get lost for hours always worked for me.

[Rec]

stick to the wall

[curtischoy]

pulling dungeons is a fantastic way to learn them. its how i leared sola/b, upper/lower guk, and much of the hole.

[tristantio]

Just FYI the response of GM Derubael was in regards to the map app/p99-patcher I put together, which runs the map display in a web browser tab (thus still requiring tab out of game).

Norrath Map took it a step further and created a game overlay (to which no one responded until now).

[myriverse]

Just FYI the response of GM Derubael was in regards to the map app/p99-patcher I put together, which runs the map display in a web browser tab (thus still requiring tab out of game).

Norrath Map took it a step further and created a game overlay (to which no one responded until now).
There was a mapper previous to Norrath Map, called EQMap. It did the same as Norrath Map, except it wasn't "always on top." I forget the name, but they okayed that one, too.

[ezri]

When I started again on P99 - on my first day I lost my corpse in gfay and had to have a bard take me to it. I realised the necessity of "sense heading"... 5 levels later.
Your skill in sense heading has improved! (200)
After 20 levels I'd exit pod lift, run in a straight line and end up right at the BB zone canyon.
Back in 2000 on live, we used to print off hard copies of maps from alakazam.
These days I pop open http://wiki.project1999.com/Zones on my tablet and access maps from there.

[GeinHealy]

You must use printed maps in a binder! Shits classic.

I remember my mom taking me to the stationary store to buy school supplies and I added that I "needed" graph paper.

(I could always find a binder and a three hole punch on my father's desk.)

<sigh> Good Times

:)

[Arkanjil]

Funny enough i remember most zones fine. I still get lost in BW sometimes and get scared I'll run face first into my swarm. ...dang trees!

[Klath]

It might be a good idea to assume the position has changed.

I wrote a similar program about 5 years ago and figured it would be a good idea to ask in the Petition / Exploit forum whether it violated the rules before I released it. I never got a response to my inquiry (the petition is still there) or to a thread in the Server Chat forum about the same topic. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54264) In the end I opted to release it but not actively promote it.

A couple of years later, Rogean weighed in after someone else developed a similar program. He was pretty unequivocal:

"Programs that parse the log file are fine, as long as they do not do any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=722090#post722090)


If you decide to make the use of this particular class of log parsers a bannable offense then you should mention them specifically in Third Party Tools, Exploiting section of the Server Rules. One can certainly argue that these programs are at odds with the server philosophy but it's pretty clear that they comply with a reasonable interpretation of the server rules as they are currently written.

[Chica]

pulling dungeons is a fantastic way to learn them. its how i leared sola/b, upper/lower guk, and much of the hole.
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*giggles...for me that would most definitely be at the expense of said group I was supposed to be pulling for. Sort of like the opposite of chain-pulling ;o):p