Ragefire v. p99, my review:

[Talgurin]

PROS:

- It's up to date with balance issues. It's not "classic" but you COULD argue it's significantly better than classic. No hybrid imbalance. More fun little items and things not found on P99. Fippy Darkpaw dropped "Fippy's Paw" for my mage - a decent range caster item for a noob.

- You're supporting Daybreak with some cash to keep EverQuest from disappearing.

- There is the opportunity to some day move beyond Velious if you were also a fan of Luclin, PoP, and so forth.

That's about it.

CONS:

- I'm ever grateful for P99's anti-boxing rule. It makes for a real MMO experience. On Ragefire I am already seeing SIX boxes and it's very likely there are some TWELVE boxers. For this reason I cannot imagine what high levels will be like. No real grouping, but competing with massive bot setups for basic spawns.

- As a result there's a lot of pressure to also be a boxer. I was about to roll a shaman to go with my mage before I decided $30 a month wasn't worth it and now I'm going back to p99.

- Hardcore players from Live make guilds like TMO seem like casual picnics. Just a few days after release word on the street is that Nagafen and Vox have both been killed. The members of Twisted Legacy play TWELVE HOURS a day (according to their website). There's enough people from the EQ world on retirement / disability who never leave their trailers to make this happen. I'm not sure if this is really something to be proud of... It's like becoming the World's Fattest Person (metaphorically, not literally, but maybe literally, too).

- Cheapened death penalties. It's more like WoW. Just respawn with your gear. It's been said before but it can be said again... No danger and no challenge creates boredom and demotes teamwork.

In Summary

- p99 has continued to fulfill a true classic experience by banning boxers. Nothing beats a full group of players in a dungeon and working together, and embarking on your char's individual quest to the top.. Not power leveling your way to 60 with 6 mages in a few days.

[Bboboo]

Pros: P99 is classic

Cons: Ragefire is not classic.

[webrunner5]

The members of Twisted Legacy play TWELVE HOURS a day (according to their website). There's enough people from the EQ world on retirement / disability who never leave their trailers to make this happen. I'm not sure if this is really something to be proud of... It's like becoming the World's Fattest Person (metaphorically, not literally, but maybe literally, too).

Funny sentence. Probably true though.

Yeah I played a lot on the Beta. The load times to even start the game or zone are just STUPID long. It is way too much of a Easy Mode game. Not really into all the Luclin Graphics, or revamped zones like EC, WP, no WC just just one BIG zone. No Oasis of Marr. Just stupid.

I knew they would screw it up just like they have done in the past. They seem to NEVER learn. And you are right about Boxing. They are a money whore you know that to even allow boxing.

I don't see it making them a lot of real money in the long run. The game is set up now play wise and gear wise for 11 year old kids. The new Legand gear is just hideous. What some people do to get your RL money!! WoW comes to mind also, Whores. :eek:

[Swish]

Our community is way better (most of the time) from what I've seen on their forums. Keep it P99 ;)

[Daldaen]

Again people fail to understand the point.

Going to a PROGRESSION SERVER, and arguing it isn't sticking true to classic is too narrow minded. The server will be out of classic in 3-4 months and kunark another 3-4 after that and velious etc. There's minimal point devoting huge resources to revert zones and graphics when the purpose of the server is to see all expansions within the next two years.

There are 21 or 22 expansions now. Progression servers are fantastic after the first 4-5 because by then all the updated zones and u classic features are mostly irrelevant, and it's a pretty good progression experience. You'll never get to experience the exact expansion progression with all the bugs and fixes as they were but they do a pretty good job letting you experience progressing through the final version of most of these expansions.

Play P99 for classic. Play Ragefire for progressing through every expansion.

Complaining Ragefire isn't classic is like complaining Paula Deen didn't cook healthy food. She never marketed it as healthy, she's a woman from the south so sticks of butter, deep fried with a pinch of racism is to be expected.

[Masq]

PROS:

The members of Twisted Legacy play TWELVE HOURS a day (according to their website). There's enough people from the EQ world on retirement / disability who never leave their trailers to make this happen. I'm not sure if this is really something to be proud of... It's like becoming the World's Fattest Person (metaphorically, not literally, but maybe literally, too).

I'm sure plenty of the top dawgs on p99 play over 12hours a day with no problem.



Complaining Ragefire isn't classic is like complaining Paula Deen didn't cook healthy food. She never marketed it as healthy, she's a woman from the south so sticks of butter, deep fried with a pinch of racism is to be expected.

I had to google Paula Deen, was not disappointed.
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[Talgurin]

Again people fail to understand the point.

Going to a PROGRESSION SERVER, and arguing it isn't sticking true to classic is too narrow minded. The server will be out of classic in 3-4 months and kunark another 3-4 after that and velious etc. There's minimal point devoting huge resources to revert zones and graphics when the purpose of the server is to see all expansions within the next two years.
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Exactly. This is why progression is appealing to me. I like every expansion until after sometime past OoW it started to get very easy-mode WoW-ish, but nonetheless this is why progression appeals to me. But it's a shame about the massive boxing that will probably make the server close to unplayable at high levels.

[EQJubilee]

Paula Deen is AWESOME!

[Ella`Ella]

I'm sure plenty of the top dawgs on p99 play over 12hours a day with no problem.



I had to google Paula Deen, was not disappointed.
http://littlefun.org/uploads/5252049ae691b23f5baec57e_736.jpg

I'll have a side of NAACPeas served on separate but equal plates.

[Bboboo]

People were expecting classic EQ from Ragefire?

That sucks.

[Toodles]

Immediate problems :

'Progression' in terms of time, is based on a countdown from the point that raid targets are defeated. That's a toxic environment just brewing - it's like P99 drama 10x - the reality that some neck beards hidden away in the basement, are really affecting the evolution of your game world simply because they play a lot.

They do it while multi-boxing classes that are overpowered and not classic. Half of the raid force is just one or two guys. Nagafen is already down.

Daybreak are fucking geniuses for convincing people that this was going to work. Hell they even let them 'vote' on how it should go down, to make them think they had some hand in their own destiny.

[Millburn]

Immediate problems :

'Progression' in terms of time, is based on a countdown from the point that raid targets are defeated. That's a toxic environment just brewing - it's like P99 drama 10x - the reality that some neck beards hidden away in the basement, are really affecting the evolution of your game world simply because they play a lot.

They do it while multi-boxing classes that are overpowered and not classic. Half of the raid force is just one or two guys. Nagafen is already down.

Daybreak are fucking geniuses for convincing people that this was going to work. Hell they even let them 'vote' on how it should go down, to make them think they had some hand in their own destiny.

So as someone part of "that raid force" it wasn't just one or two guys. It was at LEAST 3. Get your fact straight. And so what, why do you care how many hours I put in at something I love? I don't care how many hours I spend downstairs and neither does my mom so fuck you.

[jarshale]

Pros: P99 is classic

Cons: Ragefire is not classic.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

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[Toodles]

So as someone part of "that raid force" it wasn't just one or two guys. It was at LEAST 3. Get your fact straight. And so what, why do you care how many hours I put in at something I love? I don't care how many hours I spend downstairs and neither does my mom so fuck you.

Cool story, "..at LEAST 3.."

Ya you're really selling it well now...


And are you retarded? Did you not read or comprehend? If you play a lot and burn down the content, that begins the progression count down. So if casual players want to stay in classic or Kunark or Velious or whatever era they are, they'll have less time to play it because YOU and your '3' boxing mage friends, spend all day playing - accelerating the process.

That was such a ridiculous idea, whomever thought of it should be shot. The only way to handle progression was use the real time line, because it's what everyone remembers and expects. The fact they have to rush through the expansions means they don't expect the server to last long.

But then again, with such awesome individuals such as yourselves, how could it die?

[Millburn]

Cool story, "..at LEAST 3.."

Ya you're really selling it well now...


And are you retarded? Did you not read or comprehend? If you play a lot and burn down the content, that begins the progression count down. So if casual players want to stay in classic or Kunark or Velious or whatever era they are, they'll have less time to play it because YOU and your '3' boxing mage friends, spend all day playing - accelerating the process.

That was such a ridiculous idea, whomever thought of it should be shot. The only way to handle progression was use the real time line, because it's what everyone remembers and expects. The fact they have to rush through the expansions means they don't expect the server to last long.

But then again, with such awesome individuals such as yourselves, how could it die?

You're really upset about something but I can't quite put my finger on it.

[Pokesan]

You're really upset about something but I can't quite put my finger on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqjF7HKSaaI

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[Thulack]

There is really no point in comparing. P99 is mostly 1999 game mechanics. Ragefire is current EQ mechanics with content unlocking. Nothing about Ragefire is classic but then again its a Progression server and not a classic server. If people were going to Ragefire thinking it would be like 1999 then they would be in for a rude awakening. Personally comparing 12 years of live and 4 years of P99 i've played i will stick with the P99 version as i have no interest in a "progression" server. I did however uses some of the millions of plat i still had on live to buy a Krona and secure some names so there are no imposters running around :)

[Weekapaug]

Dude, 6 months is already too long for Kunark to come out. A full server with 4 or 5k people limited to old world content, combined with all of the new conveniences, no exp penalties, spawn with gear on death, etc is going to be bursting at the seams.

You, obviously, weren't on p99 during classic here. A lot of things hadn't been restored but it was nothing compared to how easy the new systems are. Yet with, what, 500 or 600 players peak they couldn't get kunark out fast enough.

The problem isn't boxers. And it's not neckbeards. It's that the modern game is just too easy to be limited to classic content for any significant period of time. People want to have it both ways...Not having corpse runs AND have an endless classic era and it will never work that way. Your average casual can level up with minimal adversity and will be doing just that well before the unlocks happen. And when the hoardes get to high level and butt up against each other and the awful terrible evil boxers and neckbeards we are supposed to have the torches and pitchforks out for its going to be a complete clusterfuck.

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Everyone either knows the content down to the individual spawns or, with half a brain, can find it in 5 mins on allas. To expect otherwise is skipping down the yellow brick road. And to blame other players for it is absurdly delusional.

I've got a buddy playing with me who has never played a whit of EQ and he's really getting into it. I'm hoping it will get him interested in playing here or on the pop prog server that is relatively new. Meanwhile, I'm finding all the histrionics, hand wringing, and scapegoating super entertaining. Just wait till a couple of months from now. Worth the price of admission. Anyone who has experienced with EQ over the long haul knew this would be a clusterfuck from the moment people voted for a 6 month minimum unlock.

[wycca]

So as someone part of "that raid force" it wasn't just one or two guys. It was at LEAST 3. Get your fact straight. And so what, why do you care how many hours I put in at something I love? I don't care how many hours I spend downstairs and neither does my mom so fuck you.

There were 16 people at their computers on a raid of 18. Not sure if the others were asleep or are boxed.

[Rararboker]

When I see people equate butter with unhealthy food I know they are very likely super unhealthy. Pretty much all I got from this thread.

[Rec]

I want to combine ragefire's UI with p99's classic that's worth keeping

[jibboo24]

Played on Ragefire over the weekend. Reinstalling P99 when I get home from work.

Things that kind of bothered me with Ragefire , but not enough to quit

- Raid bosses downed after a couple days
- Newer mob models
- multi-boxing mages
- overcrowded newbie zones
- queue times/not being able to play
- paying $15

The thing that made me decide to come back to P99 was when I zoned into Freeport. Only played through PoP so never saw the FP redesign. Totally killed my nostalgia buzz. Finding out that North Ro and Oasis of Marr were merged didn't help either.

No one in EC tunnel too (is there an auction house type system in place? didn't look into it too much).

[Weekapaug]

Tunnel is convoluted because of the instancing. People are using the main one but it's limited also because of the instancing. People seem to be using global auction channel and there is talk of moving to the north ro side of the tunnel because it's not instanced.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

naturally within a week or so the selling of goods is going to take off as the relentless players get their mules and jc'ers set up. But how they gonna do the trades? Who will want to risk unnecessary zoning and the risk of getting disconnected? Is there a single zone that can handle all the people on this server who are going to be buying/selling as things evolve?

Can this game even *work* with 4k players on a server?

good lord what a fiasco they have created over there.

[jarshale]

P99 gets a little iffy around 1700-2k area. I wonder if we could support 4k people?

[HalflingWarrior]

P99 gets a little iffy around 1700-2k area. I wonder if we could support 4k people?

I'd say the minimum for a 4k population is classic Kunark velious luclin and PoP. And that might still get congested a coupla years on

[byron2286]

I had some friends throwing KRONOs at me to go to Ragefire. I'm not even going to give it a try because of boxing. My fav part of p1999 is the interaction with other people. I love joining a Kerns group and having random conversations with 5 other people. On live/Ragefire there are WAY to many people boxing accounts.

IMO this kills the MMO experience.