Log in queue up to 3 hours on Ragefire.

[slowpoke68]

So says the posts on the official forum tonight. One classic zones only server for 6k people. Yowza.

[nerdvsgeek]

I re-subbed to play with some old friends who won't play on P99.

Last night the queue was even worse - I watched 2 movies (about 4 hours in total) via Netflix while waiting in the queue last night.

[Samaritan]

Maybe Daybreak will see the light.

[Sirken]

I re-subbed to play with some old friends who won't play on P99.

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

<3
Sirks

[sirelothar]

Because those people assume it's hard to get on this server and/or are just plain lazy. They're enjoying their magician run server, let em.. it'll die off in a month or 2, if that. Watching all these raid mobs downed by mostly mage groups is pretty sad.

[Vorkon]

For my friends who didn't want to hop over to P99 it comes down to lack of access to the Titanium client and one of the dll files getting flagged as a virus.

I also think without a sub fee and being an emu server that may or may not be here in a few years without substantial financial backing as other emus have done scares people off.

A lot of the general complaining about p99 on the daybreak forums about boxing and stopping at velious are the things I enjoy about it. P99 is also the closest experience to the original eq community.

[daasgoot]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

<3
Sirks

all the horror stories they have heard about the staff

;)

[Lune]

I wonder how many people are boxing a couple accounts while a few thousand people wait in the queue~

[QuantumZebra]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

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Sirks

Straight up ignorance about the server. The "just another emulator" mentality.

The fact that we're recognized by Daybreak as a community and Non-profit server helps now I would think.

[Recusco]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

<3
Sirks


As someone with friends like this I don't understand it either. I've even tried to bribe them with platinum and power leveling and they just aren't interested.

[sirelothar]

For my friends who didn't want to hop over to P99 it comes down to lack of access to the Titanium client and one of the dll files getting flagged as a virus.

I also think without a sub fee and being an emu server that may or may not be here in a few years without substantial financial backing as other emus have done scares people off.

A lot of the general complaining about p99 on the daybreak forums about boxing and stopping at velious are the things I enjoy about it. P99 is also the closest experience to the original eq community.

I can see this being a legitimate issue since a lot of people seem to be scared to download torrents. If only there was a way to use the actual EQ client for this server I think the population would be higher.

[wormed]

Can't find Titanium on the internet? Seriously? Damn. I don't understand the adamant refusal to play on p99. That makes no sense to me. Only thing I can think of from my friends is they don't find the game interesting any more or flat out don't want to get addicted to Evercrack again.

[Life617]

I think if they added separate instances like they have on live, p99 would be a much more enjoyable experience for everyone.

[Huggz]

P99 was a "magician run server" too... in case you forgot, go look through threads at the content getting chain-petted.

If they are anything like me, they know that p1999 is stagnant and has spent entirely too long in Kunark (4 years). I server wipe or option to start over on a clean server would be such a breath of fresh air - yes it would eventually return to how it is now but it would be a remarkable breath of fresh air.

p1999 is a fantastic free passtime, but it's a broken server and I don't see why if people are here for the "classic experience" they don't wipe and create that experience again. But I don't think many of the players enjoy the experience of playing the game as a challenge nearly as much as they are addicted to pixels and feeling uber.

I guess I don't understand the fear of wiping a server like this. The platinum dupes, the RMT'ing, the flood of camped items, poopsock lockdown, MQ-everything, PLing taking up space in every single zone... the server is flooded and poses no challenge.

100% more fun after wipe, but people are scared to lose their "investment" (time spent, not invested). Of course that's just how I feel. Give people the chance to play a new class in a new and varied and fun world.

But we have some terms with DBG now and I don't know if we will ever get to see another Classic experience occur. Hopefully those that agree with me will just need to be patient for it.

[wormed]

I think if they added separate instances like they have on live, p99 would be a much more enjoyable experience for everyone.

Everyone? You mean like the people who didn't like original Everquest? Cause I sure as hell don't want instances.

[Daldaen]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

<3
Sirks

1. Distrust of EQEmu servers. Putting time into a game run by private owners who aren't accountable to anyone (not saying it's a bad thing, but as a paying customer you have a bit more weight and reason to complain when stupid things happen)
2. Distrust of going to the pirate lagoon to attain a copy of EQ Titanium. Extreme computer illiterness (making this a word if it's not) and wariness of Trojans/viruses. Call it old grandma complex. Won't open any file cause they all have viruses that steal your identity.
3. Boxing. It's fun. I was boxing on the TAK Project earlier today. I feel I'm able to get a lot more involved in playing when I'm responsible for not only charming, CCing, healing and pulling at the same time. Makes playing a cleric more tolerable as I can tab to my Druid or enchanter and do things there. Especially on raids.
4. Content/Expansions. Luclin/PoP are some of the most well liked/successful expansions EQ had. They balanced so many aspects of the game. AAs brought viability to many classes on raids that lacked it for awhile. It gave purpose to exping once you are max level, instead of encouraging alt #27363. Then there's the raid mechanics; Shei in AR, Emperor in Ssra, EP Gods, PoTime, and several PoP flag raids like Rallos, LMM, Agnarr, Bertox, MB - These events were far more entertaining and engaging than Classic-Velious raid content. Tradeskills became useful in Luclin/PoP. Etc. PoP confirmed best expansion for a large chunk of the EQ population. Knowing it won't be here is a big deterrent for many. Nuke red and make P2002 that goes to PoP. You'd see 2000+ server size I thinks.

[Auvdar]

1. Distrust of EQEmu servers. Putting time into a game run by private owners who aren't accountable to anyone (not saying it's a bad thing, but as a paying customer you have a bit more weight and reason to complain when stupid things happen)
2. Distrust of going to the pirate lagoon to attain a copy of EQ Titanium. Extreme computer illiterness (making this a word if it's not) and wariness of Trojans/viruses. Call it old grandma complex. Won't open any file cause they all have viruses that steal your identity.
3. Boxing. It's fun. I was boxing on the TAK Project earlier today. I feel I'm able to get a lot more involved in playing when I'm responsible for not only charming, CCing, healing and pulling at the same time. Makes playing a cleric more tolerable as I can tab to my Druid or enchanter and do things there. Especially on raids.
4. Content/Expansions. Luclin/PoP are some of the most well liked/successful expansions EQ had. They balanced so many aspects of the game. AAs brought viability to many classes on raids that lacked it for awhile. It gave purpose to exping once you are max level, instead of encouraging alt #27363. Then there's the raid mechanics; Shei in AR, Emperor in Ssra, EP Gods, PoTime, and several PoP flag raids like Rallos, LMM, Agnarr, Bertox, MB - These events were far more entertaining and engaging than Classic-Velious raid content. Tradeskills became useful in Luclin/PoP. Etc. PoP confirmed best expansion for a large chunk of the EQ population. Knowing it won't be here is a big deterrent for many. Nuke red and make P2002 that goes to PoP. You'd see 2000+ server size I thinks.


Basically number 4 for a few of my friends. It's nothing against this server, they just like the mechanics EQ live has and want a "fresh start" type of thing. Some people don't like the hard grind that true classic is.

[Rekrul]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

<3
Sirks

Bc people like maps and shared bank and the idea of a server that just dead stops at velious isn't that appealing to most people.

[slowpoke68]

Live is just a ton easier. There is no comparison in the time you need to spend to level. No corpse runs. Soul binders in every city. Shared bank slots. Casters, pets and monks do tons more damage. More vendor trash to sell at the beginning. Spells more frequently while leveling. The list goes on.

Also, getting the Titanium client might be offputting for some.

[Clark]

1. Distrust of EQEmu servers. Putting time into a game run by private owners who aren't accountable to anyone (not saying it's a bad thing, but as a paying customer you have a bit more weight and reason to complain when stupid things happen)
2. Distrust of going to the pirate lagoon to attain a copy of EQ Titanium. Extreme computer illiterness (making this a word if it's not) and wariness of Trojans/viruses. Call it old grandma complex. Won't open any file cause they all have viruses that steal your identity.
3. Boxing. It's fun. I was boxing on the TAK Project earlier today. I feel I'm able to get a lot more involved in playing when I'm responsible for not only charming, CCing, healing and pulling at the same time. Makes playing a cleric more tolerable as I can tab to my Druid or enchanter and do things there. Especially on raids.
4. Content/Expansions. Luclin/PoP are some of the most well liked/successful expansions EQ had. They balanced so many aspects of the game. AAs brought viability to many classes on raids that lacked it for awhile. It gave purpose to exping once you are max level, instead of encouraging alt #27363. Then there's the raid mechanics; Shei in AR, Emperor in Ssra, EP Gods, PoTime, and several PoP flag raids like Rallos, LMM, Agnarr, Bertox, MB - These events were far more entertaining and engaging than Classic-Velious raid content. Tradeskills became useful in Luclin/PoP. Etc. PoP confirmed best expansion for a large chunk of the EQ population. Knowing it won't be here is a big deterrent for many. Nuke red and make P2002 that goes to PoP. You'd see 2000+ server size I thinks.

[QuantumZebra]

I think if they added separate instances like they have on live, p99 would be a much more enjoyable experience for everyone.

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[Lune]

Prepare your wallets for the cash shop

http://i.imgur.com/sIDKikR.jpg

[nerdvsgeek]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

<3
Sirks

Their largest hangup is availability of the Titanium client.

[nerdvsgeek]

I wonder how many people are boxing a couple accounts while a few thousand people wait in the queue~

I the two days I ran around two the newbie zones, Innothule and Everfrost, two-boxing was very common and mage-bot armies (e.g. one guy boxing a full six-character group of mages) were encountered multiple times.

I really do like the fact that there's no boxing here.

[Nikkanu]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

<3
Sirks

The main objection some of my old EQ friends had about the idea of playing on p99 was CRs and the bigger objection for new players is no maps.

[Nikkanu]

1. Distrust of EQEmu servers. Putting time into a game run by private owners who aren't accountable to anyone (not saying it's a bad thing, but as a paying customer you have a bit more weight and reason to complain when stupid things happen)
2. Distrust of going to the pirate lagoon to attain a copy of EQ Titanium. Extreme computer illiterness (making this a word if it's not) and wariness of Trojans/viruses. Call it old grandma complex. Won't open any file cause they all have viruses that steal your identity.
3. Boxing. It's fun. I was boxing on the TAK Project earlier today. I feel I'm able to get a lot more involved in playing when I'm responsible for not only charming, CCing, healing and pulling at the same time. Makes playing a cleric more tolerable as I can tab to my Druid or enchanter and do things there. Especially on raids.
4. Content/Expansions. Luclin/PoP are some of the most well liked/successful expansions EQ had. They balanced so many aspects of the game. AAs brought viability to many classes on raids that lacked it for awhile. It gave purpose to exping once you are max level, instead of encouraging alt #27363. Then there's the raid mechanics; Shei in AR, Emperor in Ssra, EP Gods, PoTime, and several PoP flag raids like Rallos, LMM, Agnarr, Bertox, MB - These events were far more entertaining and engaging than Classic-Velious raid content. Tradeskills became useful in Luclin/PoP. Etc. PoP confirmed best expansion for a large chunk of the EQ population. Knowing it won't be here is a big deterrent for many. Nuke red and make P2002 that goes to PoP. You'd see 2000+ server size I thinks.

Also this.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I would go so far to say that 95% of the technical issues new players would have are extremely well-known, and the solution easily found on the tech forums. You have to be *really* lazy to not figure out how to run this old thing.

But maybe for some people, it is just some basic misguided mistrust. They think some monster virus from out of hell is going to eat their pron or something. Little do they know that the browser they use is more of a monster virus from out of hell.

Unless maybe their trepidation is right. Maybe this entire scheme is actually a botnet for the Chinese government. Makes sense. Server isn't going to Luclin because, after the snafus having to say "Velious" created for their hackers, asking them to say "Luclin" was just a bridge too far. The Chi-coms run a tight ship, but not that tight.

[DanaDark]

As someone that just started... Today... What made me avoid so long?

I don't know. Lack of advertising so I know? Not really... I knew but had moved on and didn't see anything that really brought me back.

Difficulty of install? I am a computer guy and it was super easy. But it wasn't just double click to win, so I can assume 3/4 people like me stopped right there.

Pals I know, say it is too hard core. Corpse run being the ultimate hindrance to joining.

I started... Having a blast in a cloth shirt killing stuff in 32x32 textures... But in time it may grow old. Community keeps me.

Hopefully I stay. I loved the EQ Trinity.

[Nakander]

Hello,

This is my first post, but I thought I'd say why I haven't tried P99 for all these years. First let me say that now that I've tried it I feel pretty stupid for avoiding it all these years. I was present for Sleeper and then Vulak and now Ragefire, and in the first few days P99 has blown them all right out of the water (in my opinion).

I didn't try P99 mainly because I thought SOE would come after it sooner or later and shut it down. The only negative thing I ever heard about P99 (though it is important to note that I never really paid much attention to P99), was that the high level/raiding community was especially mean (or toxic, as the kids say nowadays).

That's all. Thank you

[Swish]

Theres more to it than this, all the reasons above (maps, more expansions, boxing etc)... you can certainly see why people wouldnt want to go "hardcore" but there's still PEQ which does all of those things.

Red is going to overtake it in population soon, arguably already has given that you can't box on red.

[Psykes]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

<3
Sirks
because no one wants to start fresh on P99 server that has an economy that is screwed up and content monopolized for the past 4+ years...people want fresh box and start even with everyone else

[fohkure]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

<3
Sirks

I love this server and I love you all for making it. I think it's really awesome.

That being said, Luclin was personally my favorite expansion. I really enjoyed the raid content and AAs. If another server came along that was even 80% as good as p99 and its staff, but went up to Luclin or PoP even, i'd jump ship in a heartbeat. I paid for a months subscription to Ragefire and didn't like it. I stopped playing live around the GoD time period, so the live Ragefire server doesn't even closely resemble EQ to me.

In no way is this a complaint for the record. I never have and never will complain about what you guys do here. This was simply intended to answer your question with at least one answer. Them going past Velious was enough for me to pay $15 to check it out. I immediately stopped my subscription because it was about as bad as we all thought it was going to be. I had to find out for myself though!

[Swish]

because no one wants to start fresh on P99 server that has an economy that is screwed up and content monopolized for the past 4+ years...people want fresh box and start even with everyone else

..:and based on Daybreak's attempt at classic Everquest, less classic Everquest and more cash shop. Station cash, fuck yeah, you love it.

[skip]

I would go so far to say that 95% of the technical issues new players would have are extremely well-known, and the solution easily found on the tech forums. You have to be *really* lazy to not figure out how to run this old thing.

Well-known, and 75% of search results point to answers that are wrong. I just went through installing P99 on a new macbook and it took a couple of hours to get up and running. (Go ahead make comments about how Mac is shit, that's going to really help population)

Their largest hangup is availability of the Titanium client.

^ This.

Can staff post a full download to the main page now the Daybreak has "acknowledged" this server or whatever?

[wwoneo]

I've been playing on Ragefire lately. I wanted to try out a fresh server. It is nothing like P99. Aside from the long queue time. I can get past that. The server is actually terrible compared to P99 and has made me respect Nilbog, Rogean, Sirken, Ephi, and the rest of the team so much more. P.S. I made a donation tonight to p99 even though I haven't been playing on the server lately.

[tizznyres]

Live is just a ton easier. There is no comparison in the time you need to spend to level. No corpse runs. Soul binders in every city. Shared bank slots. Casters, pets and monks do tons more damage. More vendor trash to sell at the beginning. Spells more frequently while leveling. The list goes on.

Ugh. Don't forget RMT cash shop to make things even easier.

[rekreant]

1. Distrust of EQEmu servers. Putting time into a game run by private owners who aren't accountable to anyone (not saying it's a bad thing, but as a paying customer you have a bit more weight and reason to complain when stupid things happen)
2. Distrust of going to the pirate lagoon to attain a copy of EQ Titanium. Extreme computer illiterness (making this a word if it's not) and wariness of Trojans/viruses. Call it old grandma complex. Won't open any file cause they all have viruses that steal your identity.
3. Boxing. It's fun. I was boxing on the TAK Project earlier today. I feel I'm able to get a lot more involved in playing when I'm responsible for not only charming, CCing, healing and pulling at the same time. Makes playing a cleric more tolerable as I can tab to my Druid or enchanter and do things there. Especially on raids.
4. Content/Expansions. Luclin/PoP are some of the most well liked/successful expansions EQ had. They balanced so many aspects of the game. AAs brought viability to many classes on raids that lacked it for awhile. It gave purpose to exping once you are max level, instead of encouraging alt #27363. Then there's the raid mechanics; Shei in AR, Emperor in Ssra, EP Gods, PoTime, and several PoP flag raids like Rallos, LMM, Agnarr, Bertox, MB - These events were far more entertaining and engaging than Classic-Velious raid content. Tradeskills became useful in Luclin/PoP. Etc. PoP confirmed best expansion for a large chunk of the EQ population. Knowing it won't be here is a big deterrent for many. Nuke red and make P2002 that goes to PoP. You'd see 2000+ server size I thinks.

[rekreant]

If they made a new sever, and put it at 1 yr for each expansion, and even considered adding Luclin or PoP while maintaining the attention to detail and integrity, this server would get all of the players. All of them.

[Swish]

If they made a new sever, and put it at 1 yr for each expansion, and even considered adding Luclin or PoP while maintaining the attention to detail and integrity, this server would get all of the players. All of them.

It would allow boxing, it wouldn't get all of us.. but a good chunk I'm sure :)

[Deckk]

It's amusing because I logged into EQ Live (Silver Restrictions) last night for the first time in a long time. Logged onto Vox, their newest server. The low level population in the Tutorial Mines zone was pretty high.

But man, it's a totally different EQ. It's extremely complicated, you get spells every level (including the shadowknight I rolled, which was quite odd), zones are extremely crowded due to mercs and players running around and the community doesn't even speak to each other.

I mean, don't get me wrong... In a pinch with no p99 it could be alright. But it's a different game. I wouldn't say it's even EQ anymore. It's more WoW with EQ baselines. Plus, as a silver (which is no longer offered) I can't wear certain types of armor... so playing a tank is extremely unrealistic.

p99 IS EQ.

[Swish]

It's amusing because I logged into EQ Live (Silver Restrictions) last night for the first time in a long time. Logged onto Vox, their newest server. The low level population in the Tutorial Mines zone was pretty high.

But man, it's a totally different EQ. It's extremely complicated, you get spells every level (including the shadowknight I rolled, which was quite odd), zones are extremely crowded due to mercs and players running around and the community doesn't even speak to each other.

I mean, don't get me wrong... In a pinch with no p99 it could be alright. But it's a different game. I wouldn't say it's even EQ anymore. It's more WoW with EQ baselines. Plus, as a silver (which is no longer offered) I can't wear certain types of armor... so playing a tank is extremely unrealistic.

p99 IS EQ.

Yep, the soul got ripped out of it for sure.

Some popular YouTubers tried it last year... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPWAPkcDb34) If you can get past the "funnies", you'll see what it's become :/

**WARNING: contains Luclin models**

[Bboboo]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

<3
Sirks

The reason is probably because P99 does not have most of the nuance that Modern MMOs have today. Seeing dot timers/better camera control/guild options/target rings/ect...

[Riotgirl]

A number of common themes:
- Titanium Client
- Old school mechanics
- Missing specific expansions

If Daybreak made a payable download I'd purchase in a heartbeat to show that there is a demand for legit copies. I eventually found ISO formats without using the Bay, but it took a while to find, and the Daemon Tools recommendation fails to take into account demo only allows for 4 virtual drives.

The biggest challenge is that there is a big demand for casual. CRs, exp losses, and the like are considered hardcore and the majority of the playerbase do not want this, or player interdependence. Essentially single player with chat is what it is all about.

Spread the word to old EQ players and people with a similar mindset. No point reaching out to those to whom the EQ mechanics are anathema.

[fadetree]

Sirken, don't worry about people being vehemently against P99. There's a reason that live got so easy and ridiculous; it's because they were desperately chasing the crowd. Any given crowd is mostly composed of people who just want a quick diversion. I like the fact that so many people won't come play...we have a good pop now anyways. The people who *do* come think EQ is srs bsns and they...well not enjoy I guess...but understand what the mechanics like no boxing and cr's and so forth actually produce.

I do think you guys should take it into PoP. PoP was the pinnacle of EQ. After you release Velious, announce that you've rethought the PoP limitation and will be progressing towards that, and you'll see a huge bump. Just my two cents. Even if it was on a new server of it's own. Starting afresh with a correctly done PoP server, no boxing? Priceless.

[Deckk]

I, too, think that further expansions are a great idea. Maybe not some of the mechanics (AA's, Soul binder, Mercs) but the content, classes (Beastlord), races (Froglok, Vah'Shir) and added levels would be nice. At least through PoP.

Having said that, though, I appreciate the server and the decisions that have been made to run the server. So I'm not going to complain either way.

[Champion_Standing]

Most of the complaints or anti p99 sentiment I see revolves around the rules here or the community....sry guys. I have yet to see someone seriously say "oh I would love to play classic eq but I just can't play without maps." C'mon guys, your "friends" tell you that stuff because they just didn't want to say the truth about what they think about you still playing eq. Titanium availability also does scare some people as well.

But let's face it, the community on blue is weird. I tried to get back in recently, all I found were dead eyed zoned out groupies who barely said a word, plenty of generous and friendly lvl60s running around tho. Just weird over there now and I doubt I'll ever regularly play blue again.

[Kalex716]

Hi all. New player to the server here, and I figure I'll share my opinions and experiences so far.

Its interesting because I WAS going to be a TLP player, but long story short, I got over the client and sketchy hurdles and figured I would try out P99 while waiting and never looked back... I'm only level 27, but it only took one play session to realize exactly what the OP claims. This server is doing it better. I didn't even bother registering to play Ragefire at all.

What I like about P99 so far is, while their may be some cheating going on, this server is moderated and curated in such a way that its superior to pretty much any other paid for service out there! I love the no botting, no RMT'ing rules. I love the fact that these rules are also being aggressively enforced.

I also like how entrenched the community is, and their seems to be the sense that people put fair play first most of the time. I like knowing theirs some governing rules at the top end for raids, even if they don't always work its better than pure chaos.

What I don't like so far, is obvious... The server is crowded! At peek times, everything is camped. If its worth money, or xp, consider it locked up.

I'm only level 27 right now though, and I'm okay with the idea that on this server, how you "get jboots" and things like that, is you find a way to put together the kind of plat to buy it. I'll have to get creative.

I also am a little bummed that unlike the TLP, theirs no way to get out in front of the economy. Its nice farming up on a fresh server. On this server, I'm playing from WAYYYY behind.

I'm happy about stopping in velious. I didn't dig on Luclin that much, and PoP for the most part ruined the game for me, but did have some cool to it. The idea that we might see custom content someday is mildly attractive to me (probably ripped out of those two expansions), but the velious cap for now is perfect.

Thanks all.

[Uggme]

I have a friend who is super open minded about games. We are near the same age, but he never had the opportunity to play EQ back in 1999 / 2000. After talking to him about how great old EQ was I asked him if he wanted to sit with me one afternoon and watch me play, to see what he thought of it. He agreed.

We had a great time. He was in awe of the size of the world (made larger with scant few modes of fast travel). The pacing of exp really caught him by surprise also (wait, so getting 30% of one level in the 40s is good? There are some levels worse than this???) He also marveled at the idea of camps, that people could come together for a common goal to kill monsters for loot... And generally HAD to. Playing an SK I was able to show him I "could" solo.. Albeit poorly. After explaining thay some classes could solo better then others he asked "then why doesn't everyone play those??? Lol"

Even after this experience I couldn't get him to play. Classic EQ was a masterpiece in history. It's wonderful it's is being faithfully recreated here. But just as there is an art to, say, churn butter by hand, it's simply not for everyone. Times have changed. We have Diablo and Destiny instant gratification MMOs experiences which have cheapened online gaming. the destination had become now important than the journey now.

The problem, IMO, has less to do with what P99 can do to get people to play... I feel they can do no more really. The two issue with getting people to play is the changing MMO genre.

[Swish]

It is hard to feel immersed with your rusty short sword when the next guy has full class armor or a rogue epic at level 1.

If you want that "fresh" feel, the closest thing to it is on the red server. Red isn't drowning in excess items that you can buy for 50pp in the tunnel.

[DeathWalking]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

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Sirks

Its mostly because of manchildren and welfare pixels. i dont think boxing is the issue.

[Daldaen]

It is hard to feel immersed with your rusty short sword when the next guy has full class armor or a rogue epic at level 1.

If you want that "fresh" feel, the closest thing to it is on the red server. Red isn't drowning in excess items that you can buy for 50pp in the tunnel.

I got extremely immersed last night in lower guk.

Was a full group at frenzied. Shaman had bloodstained tunic, rogue was using snare dagger, warrior had some crafted, cleric was wearing bronze.

Most immersed group I've seen in awhile. It reminded me of classic. Really hope they got an FBSS.

[Champion_Standing]

It is hard to feel immersed with your rusty short sword when the next guy has full class armor or a rogue epic at level 1.

If you want that "fresh" feel, the closest thing to it is on the red server. Red isn't drowning in excess items that you can buy for 50pp in the tunnel.

Tried playing immersionquest recently, had a legit noob group for like 15 mins before some jerk came over and started handing out gear and ruined it.

Come to p99, it's challenging and rewarding btw here's a set of armor and a weapon that you couldn't possibly get on your own for 35 more levels.

[Kutsumo]

I just don't see Ragefire and P99 as competitive. P99 captures classic EQ to a wonderful degree, and is great for those of us who miss it and those who don't want to play past Classic (no luclin and beyond). As I'm sure has been mentioned a hundred times in this thread, Ragefire is not a classic server. It's just a chance to play through all the expansions (not just through velious) as current content again with all the current-day perks and patches in place. Many people prefer this, especially newer gamers who didn't experience classic EQ and would be disillusioned by all the inconveniences that make it so classic.

All the various patches over the years being in place makes it a completely different game from P99. I'm playing a ranger (with a sham box) because it's actually a fairly good class with all the melee buffs, no xp penalty, better spells (can you say panic animals in vanilla/kunark!?), and it'll just get better and better as the expansions unlock. Ranger has always been my favorite class, but I just haven't been able to bring myself to roll one on P99 due to so much going against it.

I'll be playing both servers actively to get my fix of both.

[slappytwotoes]

Live is just a ton easier. There is no comparison in the time you need to spend to level. No corpse runs. Soul binders in every city. Shared bank slots. Casters, pets and monks do tons more damage. More vendor trash to sell at the beginning. Spells more frequently while leveling. The list goes on.

Also, getting the Titanium client might be offputting for some.

Having played wow recently, these are exactly the kind of people I DON'T want to play with. More convenience = less community and p99 is one of the last bastions of real MMO community on the internet.

[Paleman]

ragefire is a joke. Let the ignorant play here and let p99 stay the way it is. The only thing I fear is that when people get disillusioned with the bullshit on ragefire come here, and it gives p99 server load issues, and even worse DBG decides to change its mind and serves a C&D because they cant hack it and want their customers back.

[kaev]

Tried playing immersionquest recently, had a legit noob group for like 15 mins before some jerk came over and started handing out gear and ruined it.

Come to p99, it's challenging and rewarding btw here's a set of armor and a weapon that you couldn't possibly get on your own for 35 more levels.

If only your group had been playing in their own private instance of that content! Then that self-serving that jerk would not have been able to just waltz in and ruin your immersion like that. :cool:

[kaev]

ragefire is a joke. Let the ignorant play here and let p99 stay the way it is. The only thing I fear is that when people get disillusioned with the bullshit on ragefire come here, and it gives p99 server load issues, and even worse DBG decides to change its mind and serves a C&D because they cant hack it and want their customers back.

I doubt there is all that much overlap between the two player groups. Daybreak is running "modern" EQ, which for all the reasons already posted to this thread is a far different game than the classic EQ p99 aims for. People who want to just log in and be rewarded for smacking some mobs around to unwind after work won't get what they're looking for on p99. People who abhor mass boxing and grotesquely overpowered classes and the other elements of modern EQ that minimize player interdependence won't like it on Ragefire.

The one segment of the player base that overlaps between such different games/environments is the self-congratulatory neckbeard types who think every MMO is another instance of Lord of the Flies Online. You know them, that entitled 10% who create 90% of the CS headaches, they're here, they're there, they're everywhere.

[HalflingWarrior]

ive read a lot of posts on the daybreak boards from players making comments like "my friends wont play p99" or "my friends refuse to play on p99" or "fuck p99 id never play on that server"

and my question is, why not? what is the reason behind their adamant resentment of P99? i get it if they wanna box or run mq2, but if they want classic everquest, and since we do classic better than anyone else on the internet, why wouldnt they want to play on p99?

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Sirks

Do ya think, just maybe, it has something to do with nearly FIVE FUCKING YEARS of Kunark being farmed by the same people who've amassed tens of millions of platinum? Or did u happen to conveniently miss all those posts?

Open a FRESH BLUE99 with, or shortly after, Velious.

[HalflingWarrior]

To clarify:

Many of the people interested in the progression servers are interested in being on the leading edge. Hence the killing of nagafen vox and inny 2 after the servers opening.

They're not interested in playing on a server that been in the same expansion for nearly 5 years

[Grimjaw]

A number of common themes:
- Titanium Client
- Old school mechanics
- Missing specific expansions

If Daybreak made a payable download I'd purchase in a heartbeat to show that there is a demand for legit copies. I eventually found ISO formats without using the Bay, but it took a while to find, and the Daemon Tools recommendation fails to take into account demo only allows for 4 virtual drives.

The biggest challenge is that there is a big demand for casual. CRs, exp losses, and the like are considered hardcore and the majority of the playerbase do not want this, or player interdependence. Essentially single player with chat is what it is all about.

Spread the word to old EQ players and people with a similar mindset. No point reaching out to those to whom the EQ mechanics are anathema.

well... considering that you only need 1 virtual drive... that should be fine.
(when it asks you to insert the next CD, you can eject the prior one - how do you think it was done on actual CDs? 4 CD-Rom drives?)

[Thulack]

To clarify:

Many of the people interested in the progression servers are interested in being on the leading edge. Hence the killing of nagafen vox and inny 2 after the servers opening.

They're not interested in playing on a server that been in the same expansion for nearly 5 years

And what happens to those people who cant keep up with the actual neckbeards and arent on the leading edge? They quit and we are back at the same point as before.

[Riotgirl]

well... considering that you only need 1 virtual drive... that should be fine.
(when it asks you to insert the next CD, you can eject the prior one - how do you think it was done on actual CDs? 4 CD-Rom drives?)

That makes sense. However, I remember I was unable to eject the prior ISO - hence why I used a different solution. In all honesty, I had just got my first Win laptop in years, configured and updated it, and by the time I had downloaded the ISOs it was damn late - never a good time to do something technical.

I suspect incompetence on my part. Nevertheless, got there in the end.

[Akillez]

I'll be playing there for the chance at PoP. There was only so long I could do Kunark. I loved no boxing and the tight ruleset around using MQ and such, but its about like playing mario brothers over and over for a couple years. Making alts and new accounts and such doesnt really do anything for me, I want to play my 1 char and PoP was amazing at letting you do that.

[Rec]

They announced lockjaw, new servers for everyone!

[Weekapaug]

I'll be playing there for the chance at PoP. There was only so long I could do Kunark. I loved no boxing and the tight ruleset around using MQ and such, but its about like playing mario brothers over and over for a couple years. Making alts and new accounts and such doesnt really do anything for me, I want to play my 1 char and PoP was amazing at letting you do that.

I would suggest subbing for a month when kunark drops to ride the wave to 60 then unsubscribe and come back for pop. Not that you couldn't do it all then but pops will be highest the closer to server up or right around kunark release, since you won't be boxing. Longer you wait the iffier it will be. Pops tend to drop off fast on these servers.

[Weekapaug]

ragefire is a joke. Let the ignorant play here and let p99 stay the way it is. The only thing I fear is that when people get disillusioned with the bullshit on ragefire come here, and it gives p99 server load issues, and even worse DBG decides to change its mind and serves a C&D because they cant hack it and want their customers back.

I wouldn't be all that concerned. Most of the type of people who ragequit ragefire are the whiney "show up and get handed everything" types. Long on nostalgia, short on patience and understanding of what "classic" truly is. They remember fondly their first group on orc hill or crushbone 15 years ago but they conveniently forget quitting when a hell level or pop flagging was too much for them and leaving for wow. Full of nostalgia but happily welcoming of no hell levels, no corpse runs, instancing, etc. Seriously, there have been people preaching Armageddon since dragons died 50 hours after server up....sitting at level 5 in an instanced newbie zone.

They are everywhere over there. Posts like "im not dealing with this queue and I'm going to p99" abound over the weekend because they couldn't play the very moment they wanted. They won't last a week over here when they realize nobody, most particularly the staff and devs, give a shit about their whiney demands.

On p99 being a classic restoration project is priority above all and that's exactly what will weed most of them out.

[DeathWalking]

On p99 being a classic restoration project is priority above all and that's exactly what will weed most of them out.

ah yes, that explains the welfare pixels, non-classic ui, level 1 epics, and agents from the matrix giving preferential treatment to certain players.

[Orruar]

And what happens to those people who cant keep up with the actual neckbeards and arent on the leading edge? They quit and we are back at the same point as before.

Doesn't really matter once you get to GoD (and even PoP), where instanced content allows more people to enjoy the end game without resorting to going on unemployment.

[DeathWalking]

They announced lockjaw, new servers for everyone!

whats with all these WoW inspired server names??


ragefire? lockjaw? next it'll be orgrimmar and silvermoon

[Mandalore93]

No queue for me at all today. Subscribed for the first time in eight years. Loved it.

[Thulack]

whats with all these WoW inspired server names??


ragefire? lockjaw? next it'll be orgrimmar and silvermoon

I thought Kermit was a frog not a troll?