is GINA an allowed tool, or not?

[dbouya]

all it does is monitor your log, so I'm guessing yes?

[Lisset]

Yes. GamTexTriggers too.

[Baler]

See this post.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=722090&postcount=5

Gina is allowed, all it's basically doing is reading the log file for specific strings you tell it to look for.

[dbouya]

haynar just removed buff timers from the game......

gina still allowed to replace this feature?

[jcr4990]

haynar just removed buff timers from the game......

gina still allowed to replace this feature?Yes. That's what I'm doing now. It's clunky and I hate running extra programs in the background to replace this functionality but I guess gotta do what ya gotta do. I can't stand not being able to see my torpor ticks and such.

[Swish]

People can't cope with classic, amirite?

[dnatabar]

GINA is not against the rules/EULA.

It is no longer explicitly allowed by the EULA, but it is still only reading from the log files, and until they are stating that it is against the rules, either by an official statement, or by changing the EULA and rules to show this. I see no reason to not use it, if you are inclined to use such tools.

[Swish]

GINA wasn't classic though - you're here for classic EverQuest aren't you?

Does casting a buff on yourself before other people to keep a timer really cause OCD with people or something?

[dbouya]

GINA wasn't classic though - you're here for classic EverQuest aren't you?

Does casting a buff on yourself before other people to keep a timer really cause OCD with people or something?

sometimes it's hard to do that. depending on which buff and class you are.

although yeah 90% of the time that's all it takes imo.

[Lamil]

Wish I had a cellphone back in the day that could run multiple timers like i do now. Used to have to use my stupid clock on my computer. There are multiple work arounds and people act like its the end of the world.

[Naxy]

Wish I had a cellphone back in the day that could run multiple timers like i do now. Used to have to use my stupid clock on my computer. There are multiple work arounds and people act like its the end of the world.

That's not classic. ;)

I personally think spell timer could have stayed. But it isn't my server, I am a guest, so it is what it is. Not going to QQ about it.

[jcr4990]

GINA is not against the rules/EULA.

It is no longer explicitly allowed by the EULA, but it is still only reading from the log files, and until they are stating that it is against the rules, either by an official statement, or by changing the EULA and rules to show this. I see no reason to not use it, if you are inclined to use such tools.This is the 2nd time I've seen you make the claim that "It is no longer explicitly allowed by the EULA" and I'm not sure which EULA you're reading.

When you start P99 and the EULA comes up it *STILL* clearly states:

Programs that provide audible queues or overlay information by only reading the Everquest log files are currently allowed

[Ele]

No one uses an egg timer?

[jcr4990]

No one uses an egg timer?No. Because it's 2015.

As much as I enjoy classic content and 99% of the gameplay. I'm not neckbeardy and/or rose colored glasses-y enough to enjoy the worst parts of classic for no reason.

[Ele]

No. Because it's 2015.

As much as I enjoy classic content and 99% of the gameplay. I'm not neckbeardy and/or rose colored glasses-y enough to enjoy the worst parts of classic for no reason.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

[Swish]

There's always PEQ server if you want your compass, target box con color, Luclin models etc etc back.

[Bboboo]

I have use this in the past to keep track of haste on pet or for root on a SK mob for Theft of Thought in Charasis.

http://www.online-stopwatch.com/stay-on-top-stopwatch/

There is also a countdown timer which is nice for putting on 6 seconds to know when to sit for med ticks.

[myriverse]

No one uses an egg timer?
Not even for eggs... since like 1976.

[Cookiefist]

Classic Hipsters circa 2015.

[Wabic]

I read somewhere long ago that the reason Sony implemented a lot of UI features in game was because people were using third party software to do it anyway and they didn't want newer players to be at a huge disadvantage.

Personally, I'm glad p99 devs don't cater to casuals to boost subscriptions. Losing the buff timers hurts. But like most classic changes, it separates those who can adapt from those who can't.

[jwargod]

Kind of reminds of WoW players nowadays who play with so many mods they're not even playing the games themselves anymore. And when argued against, they'll say how much it doesn't effect their gameplay and it's only a small thing.

That being said.....








I don't miss book in face.

[Nuggie]

No one uses an egg timer?

Three, actually.

[felixecho]

Classic Hipsters circa 2015.

Heh, you got it right, they are running the classic EQ to the point where you will stare at a book when medding, and have all your buttons on the left and right and a single chat at the bottom.

That really IS their stated goal, so you all should get ready for that.

They are going to be slavishly holding to this classic standard, they have dug around on EQemu's site, and if you read those forums you should know they are learning the coding and client manipulation needed to achieve the total classic immersion.

The way I see it, the choice is stay or go. I'm new so I really don't mind playing around with other options out there. All you that have so much invested, well de-invest! Find something more aligned with what you want or get a group going here in this forum to volunteer your time and effort to someone that wants to run a server to give you what you really want.

I'm looking toward other servers, and maybe even will investigate running my own, its not really all that hard, especially if the players get together and volunteer to help with the server's management.

This server is just a bunch of sweet bro's getting together and recreating the old, old, old days of their youth. Nothing says you can't all get together and do the same, at a slightly different time period. They really don't give a rip about your complaints.

[Pyrocat]

Sirken explicity said on stream tonight that GINA was allowed, but he personally didn't like it.

[Ptull]

No one uses an egg timer?

That's about as silly as suggesting you should be running this game in windows 3 on a 14.4k modem that you connect through AOL for those classic feels

[Zeonick]

I wonder how many people will play this server when there are no tell windows, no graphics options, no mouse scroll, one ui option, no sidestepping, etc, etc. Personally, I think the server was perfect, a classic gameplay/server state with a few quality of life features. I'd be up for a hybrid server that did something like this.

Anyways, the buff timer change was extremely annoying, but I can deal with it. I'll probably just end up using GINA like everyone else. Its pretty lame that a simple feature being removed forces a ton of people to resort to third party programs.

[Ele]

I wonder how many people will play this server when there are no tell windows, no graphics options, no mouse scroll, one ui option, no sidestepping, etc, etc. Personally, I think the server was perfect, a classic gameplay/server state with a few quality of life features. I'd be up for a hybrid server that did something like this.

Anyways, the buff timer change was extremely annoying, but I can deal with it. I'll probably just end up using GINA like everyone else. Its pretty lame that a simple feature being removed forces a ton of people to resort to third party programs.

More loot for me and Daldaen.

[milsorgen]

People can't cope with classic, amirite?

http://media.giphy.com/media/fCs3KChF9hhU4/giphy.gif

[curtischoy]

I use Gamtexttriggers for mez/haste timer and sometimes spawn timer. I'm not sure if I will set it up for other buffs, so far it has not been that annoying. It's actually been sort of freeing as now I am not checking my buff timers so dang often. When they are available I check them a lot. It will suck the first time I am in NFP or some other good city and my illusion drops without me noticing. That death will suck, a death from levi dropping would at least be amusing. I would be much more than likely to die from EB wearing off though. I am notorious for dieing in water for whatever reason.

[blondeattk]

Sirken explicity said on stream tonight that GINA was allowed, but he personally didn't like it.

in other news.....hitler got upset by jews....same old same old

[myriverse]

More loot for me and Daldaen.
Nah. MMO supply doesn't work like that.

[dbouya]

I have use this in the past to keep track of haste on pet or for root on a SK mob for Theft of Thought in Charasis.

http://www.online-stopwatch.com/stay-on-top-stopwatch/

There is also a countdown timer which is nice for putting on 6 seconds to know when to sit for med ticks.

there's about 1 second of server side math lag, so you have to be careful, and remain seated for 1-1.5seconds instead of the 0.1-0.5 seconds that you could do on live

often if you sit for a med tick and then instantly stand, that tick will show you gaining the bonus mana, then on the next tick it'll be retroactively removed... this can even cause you to barely have enough mana for a spell, cast the spell, then get an error message at the end of the casting time saying the spell was cancelled because you didn't have enough mana.


just putting this here in case anyone didn't already know this stuff.

[dbouya]

I wonder how many people will play this server when there are no tell windows, no graphics options, no mouse scroll, one ui option, no sidestepping, etc, etc. Personally, I think the server was perfect, a classic gameplay/server state with a few quality of life features. I'd be up for a hybrid server that did something like this.

Anyways, the buff timer change was extremely annoying, but I can deal with it. I'll probably just end up using GINA like everyone else. Its pretty lame that a simple feature being removed forces a ton of people to resort to third party programs.

strafe running to gain speed is totally classic. I used to kite this way before kunark came out on my level 13 druid, iirc.

[Shjade]

strafe running to gain speed is totally classic. I used to kite this way before kunark came out on my level 13 druid, iirc.

Hell with kiting, I used to Not Die this way with my warrior when it turned out I picked a fight I couldn't win.

I have to admit I'm befuddled by how many complaints there are about buff timers and some other basic amenities that simply didn't exist in the game at the time. Not because they aren't nice to have - sure it was convenient to be able to check how much slack you had left before rebuff time - but because they're unnecessary. Distracting, even.

This isn't a "shit's classic" argument either. I'm not married to the idea of the server being as classic as possible; if it's fun to play, it's fine by me. I just haven't been using the things people are complaining about losing, or needing to replace with 3rd party programs or whatever, the whole time, so it's confusing when I see people talking about how important/game-changing/necessary they are.

Honestly, why do you even need stopwatchers or timers? Is it that hard for most players to gauge how long you (or your party) take to kill a target in an area where you plan to grind, compare that to how long your buffs last, estimate how many pulls it'll take before you need to rebuff and start a cycle in your head based on that information?

It's friggin' Everquest. As a caster, if you're not internally planning for how much mana you're using on an average pull, how fast you're pulling, and how many pulls you can get in a given buff cycle, what the hell are you doing?

[Zlain]

Some things from classic are awesome, a bunch of other things are extremely dated and tiresome. People against simple QoL buffs are seriously masochistic.

[Ele]

Some things from classic are awesome, a bunch of other things are extremely dated and tiresome. People against simple QoL buffs are seriously masochistic.

masochistic and sadistic*


:D

[Gustoo]

Honestly, why do you even need stopwatchers or timers? Is it that hard for most players to gauge how long you (or your party) take to kill a target in an area where you plan to grind, compare that to how long your buffs last, estimate how many pulls it'll take before you need to rebuff and start a cycle in your head based on that information?


At this point I have played much longer with spell timers than without.

As a cleric on PVP server I run around with a full set of buffs on at all times and I keep them fresh. Some last a long time and some last only 15 or so minutes. It's very difficult to keep track and a high HP buff dropping in the middle of a fight would kill me, and I can't simply rebuff all the time because symbol costs 10pp and the other spells cost a lot of mana which = time which = I don't get to play as much.

On blue it wouldn't matter to me. No one trying to kill me./

[phacemeltar]

People can't cope with classic, amirite?

yes. must add minimap and pok books to make game playable

[jcr4990]

At this point I have played much longer with spell timers than without.

As a cleric on PVP server I run around with a full set of buffs on at all times and I keep them fresh. Some last a long time and some last only 15 or so minutes. It's very difficult to keep track and a high HP buff dropping in the middle of a fight would kill me, and I can't simply rebuff all the time because symbol costs 10pp and the other spells cost a lot of mana which = time which = I don't get to play as much.

On blue it wouldn't matter to me. No one trying to kill me./Use GINA and set up timers based on the log messages when you apply your buffs. Don't listen to nerds telling you it isn't allowed until there's official word saying so.

P99 EULA still says "Programs that provide audible queues or overlay information by only reading the Everquest log files are currently allowed"

[Droog007]

GINA wasn't classic

All the pieces were there. Would've been clunky and complicated, but something like it could have happened.

[Daldaen]

More loot for me and Daldaen.

I like this.

[Droog007]

Stuff about a single chat window

Pretty sure it was not long after Velious launched, or maybe even before - they added the /hitsmode command to the UI. It gave you a CLI method to move combat spam out of your main window and into a new window that you could define. You had to define the x and y coordinates, maybe width and height, and how abbreviated you wanted the text to be... e.g. the full 'You pierce a tundra kodiak for 40 points of damage.' could be shortened to 'Pierce tundra kodiak for 40', or even just '40'.

edit: hmmm... Monkly Business post puts it in the vicinity of 3/21/2002

[teija]

People can't cope with classic, amirite?

This server is not classic, More like "things are picked/chosen to be classic and other things are left un-classic to feel classic"

so customquest

[myriverse]

We had log parsers in 2000.

[LostCause]

duck casting not classic.

[Baler]

No one uses an egg timer?

I do, I do!!!
Sits right on my desk, next to the paper and pecil. :cool:

[Daldaen]

I do, I do!!!
Sits right on my desk, next to the paper and pecil. :cool:

What about your 12 sided die?

[xexbis0]

All removing buff timers essentially did was piss off the people that play by the rules. All the others will use programs and such that still display them.