AFK Camping

[Elian]

Well heres what happen ... some people may know I camp Gynok a lot. I kill the PH and normally leave the game running while I work, 6mo baby, or wife. I am always there before respawn unless an emergency then I am perfectly fine with whoever else is there grabbing the mob or camp.

However yesterday was the first time I encountered a douchebag while camping this infamous mummy. He came in asked me if I was camping then when I didn't answer immanently he sits right in front of me in between the spawn and I. So when I return I have a humans ass in my face with 5 tells about how he is gonna report me for AFK spawn camping. He then begins an argument about the rules ....I told him their only problem with AFK waiting for a spawn is that some douchebags have a problem with it ... thats almost an exact quote from the page listing "Camps, Defined" I inform him that the word "rule" is not listed on the page and they are more like guidelines. Just polite etiquette to follow while camping.

Truthfully ... am I being unreasonable? I really enjoyed playing this game way back when and I still do now ... just times have changed. I no longer have the time to group or do anything that requires me to be at the keyboard for hours at a time. New baby, new wife, new place, job, and everything in between. I consider myself lucky I can log on at all ...but to be hassled and harassed because I only have the time to play the game 30 seconds out of 16 minute spawn at a time. I dont have a problem with server policies or rules ....just a problem with douchebags threatening to report me and misquoting "rules" because I didnt answer his question fast enough or he really wants the camp? I would have happily given up to him like I had done countless times just because I cant sit there for hours on the computer.

Please input....just wanna know others take on this.

[skorge]

as long as you kill the mob when it pops then i dont see any problems with this

[Dragonthorne]

Honestly, think you need to spend time with your new wife and new baby, and stop worrying about EQ so much...just my opinion.

You are AFK camping, probably something where you and said other person would need to agree on how to share...

[Sethius]

From "Camps, Defined":

"6. AFK camping is not respected and is frowned upon, if caught afk camping you will be booted to the character select screen."

I can understand your plight, I am not always at my keyboard during play due to being busy (especially while medding though I don't afk camp).

However, Number 6 does say this is not respected and is frowned upon. The guidelines/rules or whatever they are, are what they are (and the GM's do a pretty awesome job here I think).

He doesn't sound too much like a douchebag (not having seen the chat myself), it does say in number 6 above that if you are caught afk camping you will be booted to the login screen. Basically he should have just reported you and got you booted, rather than fighting with you. Then the camp would be his as long as he wanted to camp it not afk.

This seems pretty straight forward based on Number 6 of the "Camps, Defined" thread, doesn't it?

[Elian]

Honestly, think you need to spend time with your new wife and new baby, and stop worrying about EQ so much...just my opinion.

You are AFK camping, probably something where you and said other person would need to agree on how to share...

How can you make an assumption that I dont spend time with them, then, based on that assumption criticize me? You dont have enough information about my personal life to create such theories.


From "Camps, Defined":

"6. AFK camping is not respected and is frowned upon, if caught afk camping you will be booted to the character select screen."

I can understand your plight, I am not always at my keyboard during play due to being busy (especially while medding though I don't afk camp).

However, Number 6 does say this is not respected and is frowned upon. The guidelines/rules or whatever they are, are what they are (and the GM's do a pretty awesome job here I think).

He doesn't sound too much like a douchebag (not having seen the chat myself), it does say in number 6 above that if you are caught afk camping you will be booted to the login screen. Basically he should have just reported you and got you booted, rather than fighting with you. Then the camp would be his as long as he wanted to camp it not afk.

This seems pretty straight forward based on Number 6 of the "Camps, Defined" thread, doesn't it?

I agree with every word here ...

[Combo]

In this situation, if I asked someone if they were camping something and didn't get an answer in 5-10 minutes, I'd take the camp. If you came back 10 minutes later and started raging, I'd probably give it back. I can understand that sometimes your cat is on fire or you need to take a 20 minute shit.

Getting harassed sucks. That's inappropriate.

But:

1.) I don't care about your job.
2.) I don't care about your baby.
3.) I don't care about your wife.

Don't pull those holier-than-thou lines that imply you have a life and people who actually can camp something don't.

I really enjoyed playing this game way back when and I still do now ... just times have changed. I no longer have the time to group or do anything that requires me to be at the keyboard for hours at a time. New baby, new wife, new place, job, and everything in between. I consider myself lucky I can log on at all ...but to be hassled and harassed because I only have the time to play the game 30 seconds out of 16 minute spawn at a time.

If you were sending me tells like this I would absolutely laugh in your face and take your camp. In my experience, 95% of the time these lines are total bullshit. And even if you're telling the truth, please see points 1, 2, and 3.

[Dragonthorne]

I'm not making any assumption...

You sit at a camp and every 16 minutes you go over to the computer to kill a mob? If I were your wife, I would wonder where in that sixteen minutes you wouldn't be doing a countdown...

Just my opinion...

[Droxx]

From "Camps, Defined":

"6. AFK camping is not respected and is frowned upon, if caught afk camping you will be booted to the character select screen."

#6 needs to be amended, imo. It was created to help discourage afk-exping by mages and necros and other pet classes back when if a pet did all of the damage, the owner got full exp.
AFK-Camping a mob is fine in my book, as long as you're killing the mob when it pops.

[nilbog]

AFK camping ... means letting your pet kill something, over and over, while you are afk. This is frowned upon.

AFKing between spawns on a 16 minute camp? Not afk camping..

[Elian]

In this situation, if I asked someone if they were camping something and didn't get an answer in 5-10 minutes, I'd take the camp. If you came back 10 minutes later and started raging, I'd probably give it back. I can understand that sometimes your cat is on fire or you need to take a 20 minute shit.

Getting harassed sucks. That's inappropriate.

But:

1.) I don't care about your job.
2.) I don't care about your baby.
3.) I don't care about your wife.

Don't pull those holier-than-thou lines that imply you have a life and people who actually can camp something don't.


If you were sending me tells like this I would absolutely laugh in your face and take your camp. In my experience, 95% of the time these lines are total bullshit. And even if you're telling the truth, please see points 1, 2, and 3.

These are one of those douchebags I mentioned....just basing this on the tone of the post and complete lack of consideration for any point except his.


I'm not making any assumption...

You sit at a camp and every 16 minutes you go over to the computer to kill a mob? If I were your wife, I would wonder where in that sixteen minutes you wouldn't be doing a countdown...

Just my opinion...

Phone has a stop watch...

AFK camping ... means letting your pet kill something, over and over, while you are afk. This is frowned upon.

AFKing between spawns on a 16 minute camp? Not afk camping..

Thank you ...QFT ...thats all the input I need

[Ploppy]

Thanks for the explantion.

[Aadill]

I can't imagine the other person coming to the camp and not also going afk between 16 minute spawns so it's hilarious to me that he would pull that card in the first place~

Nilbog: Perhaps it should be changed to AFK xping instead of AFK camping to clear up any confusion*?





*And not allow anyone to nitpick rules to tailor to their personal needs

[Combo]

These are one of those douchebags I mentioned....just basing this on the tone of the post and complete lack of consideration for any point except his.

Remember that holier-than-thou part?

But seriously, I was being honest with you, not trying to hurt your feelings. What I posted is the impression I get as to how many people feel when someone start spouting the "new baby new wife new job new house new garden new car new flaming cat" crap. It's not 1999, no one buys that anymore, and those that do will tell you that you might have your priorities out of order.

Anyway, every time I see one of these "he was mean to me" threads, I want to know the other side of the story. If you were nice and the guy started harassing you, yeah, he's a dick and that's inappropriate. But it's rarely that black and white. Typically there's a bunch of venom being spit on both sides.

[Elian]

Remember that holier-than-thou part?

But seriously, I was being honest with you, not trying to hurt your feelings. What I posted is the impression I get as to how many people feel when someone start spouting the "new baby new wife new job new house new garden new car new flaming cat" crap. It's not 1999, no one buys that anymore, and those that do will tell you that you might have your priorities out of order.

Anyway, every time I see one of these "he was mean to me" threads, I want to know the other side of the story. If you were nice and the guy started harassing you, yeah, he's a dick and that's inappropriate. But it's rarely that black and white. Typically there's a bunch of venom being spit on both sides.

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=ac49466024&view=att&th=12bc4e5e842ebc45&attid=0.1&disp=emb&zw

Theres the new family in a new place....yes thats a blow up matress in the living room because we have not got the furniture delivered yet. Its 10:30 here so we all look kinda rough.
Just because you heard a story a million times doesn't mean it is false.

[Dragonthorne]

I think his point is that it is very tired that we as a gaming community should feel bad for each individual person and their individual situation.

I have a wife, 4 kids (one who is 6 months old), hectic job, bills, etc...but I will not use that as an argument as to why I should be able to keep a camp.

Does it suck that you don't get that playtime anymore? Yes
Are we the ones that set up that situation for you? No
Should we feel bad or should you be entitled to something because of your situation? No

[Elian]

I think his point is that it is very tired that we as a gaming community should feel bad for each individual person and their individual situation.

I have a wife, 4 kids (one who is 6 months old), hectic job, bills, etc...but I will not use that as an argument as to why I should be able to keep a camp.

Does it suck that you don't get that playtime anymore? Yes
Are we the ones that set up that situation for you? No
Should we feel bad or should you be entitled to something because of your situation? No

I had my question answered ... please refer back to Nilbogs post. Looks like I can go afk and still hold a mob. Thank you for your concern but all in folly

[Mcbard]

I think his point is that it is very tired that we as a gaming community should feel bad for each individual person and their individual situation.

I have a wife, 4 kids (one who is 6 months old), hectic job, bills, etc...but I will not use that as an argument as to why I should be able to keep a camp.

Does it suck that you don't get that playtime anymore? Yes
Are we the ones that set up that situation for you? No
Should we feel bad or should you be entitled to something because of your situation? No

Actually you probably should feel at least a little bad. Empathy is a pretty natural thing for most human beings, however I did read an article yesterday stating that since the turn of the century people have been feeling a lot less empathetic towards their fellow man.

Sitting the point that "we as a gaming community" are all apparently assholes aside, I don't think anyone has to feel bad for him (that would be quite the rule to enforce) but the camp and rules should be respected. Thankfully Nilbog was kind enough to clear that up for us.

[Sethius]

AFK camping ... means letting your pet kill something, over and over, while you are afk. This is frowned upon.

AFKing between spawns on a 16 minute camp? Not afk camping..

That answers that.

/thread

[Nedala]

AFK camping ... means letting your pet kill something, over and over, while you are afk. This is frowned upon.

AFKing between spawns on a 16 minute camp? Not afk camping..

QFT

hate it when people tell me im afk camping when i just go afk between the PH-spawns...whats the problem with that? Why should i sit there and stare at nothing for whatever time, when i exactly know when the next mob pops?

As long as you keep your camp clear, its yours.

[ElanoraBryght]

Thank you.

AFK camping ... means letting your pet kill something, over and over, while you are afk. This is frowned upon.

AFKing between spawns on a 16 minute camp? Not afk camping..

[ShivanAngel]

Im glad this was finally clarified.

I was always terrified of putting up an afk tag when i was camping long spawns for fear of being booted.

Now i can

/afk yes im camping it, im pooping or doing laundry while I wait for the pop.

without worrying about some D-bag jacking the camp.

[Ledzepp02]

You all need to wake up and find some logic here. The only time someone should be allowed to take the mob from someone sitting on top of its spawn point is if they don't respond when the mob pops. Otherwise there is no problem sitting there keeping a mental reminder when to come back to a spawn that is notorious for taking countless hours.

We all know none of you will sit there for 16 hours straight, staring at an empty spawn point, that you will eventually have to afk, probably to poop. And if you don't have a sock handy, well, you might just have to do it during that 16 min window where some random person may or may not ask you if you're camping it.

Basically, respect others and play nice. I figured it was obvious that the rule regarded afk pet exp'ing, perhaps not.

Don't knock on the guy for having things to deal with for 15 minutes at a time in life, regardless of what they may be. You all would be finding something to do if you were camping Gynok, whether it be porn, tv, wife porn, whatever.

[ShivanAngel]

I got so much crap done around the house when i was camping the starsine in highpass!!!

[Tappin]

I got so much crap done around the house when i was camping the starsine in highpass!!!

Same :D Well homework, rather. I was very worried that the camp would get jacked while I was AFK, but not with Nib's clarification, no need to worry.

EDIT:
Ellan, I think the point that was trying to be made about people not caring about your real life, is that its pretty much irrelevant. I would not treat you any differently than any other player who has no job, no wife and no kid. Having these things changes nothing and entitles you to nothing, inside the world of EQ.

Now, whether or not thats what you intended to say with your original post, who knows. I'm not claiming that.

[Nedala]

Same :D Well homework, rather. I was very worried that the camp would get jacked while I was AFK, but not with Nib's clarification, no need to worry.

Hehe when i camped him back then i was afk for straight 6 hours, nobody tried to steal the camp surprisingly :D

[Tappin]

Hehe when i camped him back then i was afk for straight 6 hours, nobody tried to steal the camp surprisingly :D

Nice :D Someone logged in just as I was expecting him to spawn, but he was very polite and even helped me by keeping an eye out on the red con smuggler :)

[yraapt]

If someone is sitting in a cleared room they apparently have the situation under control. Sending threatening tells does not help anyone.

Thanks for the input Nilbog

[sgallaty]

back in old eq days we would log to a text file and have a second prog that parsed the file looking for stuff. then we'd sit the 'canary' character where the pop would kill it, and it'd notify us so we could be the first to spot a spawn.

also with many spawns there is a PH, and sometimes even more so there can be other NPCs that give indications when a spawn will happen.

Knowing the PH is part of the game.

[guineapig]

back in old eq days we would log to a text file and have a second prog that parsed the file looking for stuff. then we'd sit the 'canary' character where the pop would kill it, and it'd notify us so we could be the first to spot a spawn.


Seems awfully complicated. Why not just camp a character there that can actually kill the mob? Besides, you are not allowed to do that on this server.

[Dominick]

back in old eq days we would log to a text file and have a second prog that parsed the file looking for stuff. then we'd sit the 'canary' character where the pop would kill it, and it'd notify us so we could be the first to spot a spawn.


I am often in befallen. I love that zone. I have seen a low level anon human named BefallenProbe or some such dead there.

I guess thats two boxing, unless you have two different player accounts.

[Engraverwilliam]

wouldn't the simple solution here be to simply contact the person waiting when you are finished with the camp? tell/e-mail whatever? its pixels eventually the said camper will move on or have to log out. if its a MQ then don't be stingy douches. jees

[Taluvill]

shouldnt you just wait for the next spawn, if it doesnt get killed by said camper in a 5 minute window, then you take the camp??

Seems much more reasonable to me.

[ShivanAngel]

I will give an AFK camper a few minutes to come back before I jack the mob. If he is really "camping" the mob he should know right when it should spawn.

[Taluvill]

I will give an AFK camper a few minutes to come back before I jack the mob. If he is really "camping" the mob he should know right when it should spawn.

Yeah. I have my xbox in my bedroom, and I have enough homework to do in college. If i'm camping something, tracking for the guild (which is a lot less AFK camping than you'd think lol), etc, i usually keep excellent timers and can come back right before the pop, buff up, and keeeellll it.

Everyone else should be able to too.

[oldhead]

AFK camping ... means letting your pet kill something, over and over, while you are afk. This is frowned upon.

AFKing between spawns on a 16 minute camp? Not afk camping..

As I read I was thinking this.. cus damn bro... I go afk ALL THE time when I camp shit.

1) I go afk

2) Even if im not afk I dont have to answer your tells

3) I might have your camp stealing ass on my IL.

[oldhead]

shouldnt you just wait for the next spawn, if it doesnt get killed by said camper in a 5 minute window, then you take the camp??

Seems much more reasonable to me.

If I was afk and someone killed a spawn that was up for FIVE MINUTES i wouldnt rage about it, but the guy better to be ready to GTFO of my camp.

Then again, when I go afk I keep track of the spawn timer with a stop watch... so wouldnt happen.

[oldhead]

Im glad this was finally clarified.

I was always terrified of putting up an afk tag when i was camping long spawns for fear of being booted.

Now i can

/afk yes im camping it, im pooping or doing laundry while I wait for the pop.

without worrying about some D-bag jacking the camp.

Dont even bother to provide an excuse. /afk yes, im camping soandso. kthxbuybuy

[oldhead]

I can't imagine the other person coming to the camp and not also going afk between 16 minute spawns so it's hilarious to me that he would pull that card in the first place~

Nilbog: Perhaps it should be changed to AFK xping instead of AFK camping to clear up any confusion*?





*And not allow anyone to nitpick rules to tailor to their personal needs



I thought the same too when I first read this thread... and nilbog did clarify

[Noser]

I don't see an issue with someone afk camping for the paw. If it's on their main character, and it's a legitimate upgrade then just let them have it. Unless of course the mob is up for awhile and they are afk for some reason.

What does annoy me is when the same lvl 50 necro's and chanter alts are squatting at every single named camp in Lguk. You come in with a full exp group; tank, puller, healer, dps, and you want to do a real camp like lord,frenzy, king. But, nope, the same lvl 50's are there passing the camps to their guildies.

[oldhead]

I don't see an issue with someone afk camping for the paw. If it's on their main character, and it's a legitimate upgrade then just let them have it. Unless of course the mob is up for awhile and they are afk for some reason.

What does annoy me is when the same lvl 50 necro's and chanter alts are squatting at every single named camp in Lguk. You come in with a full exp group; tank, puller, healer, dps, and you want to do a real camp like lord,frenzy, king. But, nope, the same lvl 50's are there passing the camps to their guildies.

Thats EQ bro... camping for loots to sell is the name of the game.

It will thin out when Kunark comes, trust me but thats how it be till then.

[sgallaty]

I don't see an issue with someone afk camping for the paw. If it's on their main character, and it's a legitimate upgrade then just let them have it. Unless of course the mob is up for awhile and they are afk for some reason.

What does annoy me is when the same lvl 50 necro's and chanter alts are squatting at every single named camp in Lguk. You come in with a full exp group; tank, puller, healer, dps, and you want to do a real camp like lord,frenzy, king. But, nope, the same lvl 50's are there passing the camps to their guildies.

THAT is as accurate a recreation of live servers as I've ever seen prekunark. No shit.

[Noser]

Hrm. Dunno. I seem to remember exp'ing at those camps all the time on my server

[kbnexus]

AFK camping ... means letting your pet kill something, over and over, while you are afk. This is frowned upon.

AFKing between spawns on a 16 minute camp? Not afk camping..

Sorry to revive this old post, but this issue has came up several times for me lately with players who have not read this post. Can we please get this clarified and adjusted in the "camps defined" post and other areas where server rules are discussed?

[ShivanAngel]

Thats EQ bro... camping for loots to sell is the name of the game.

It will thin out when Kunark comes, trust me but thats how it be till then.

Yeah it will thin out, and its going to be awesome...

If i remember correctly, unless you had some bad ass gear and were one of like 2 classes you couldnt solo camps in sebilis, karnors, etc. Mobs would eat you alive.

Really hoping grouping will be revived with kunark!

[Taluvill]

It will, but old world camps like FBSS, GE boots, etc that are still relevant to a point in kunark will be solo camped by 60's too. The problem will still be there, but not as much I would imagine.

You also have to take into account the population spike when kunark hits. 1500 players a month after release would not surprise me in the least.


What does annoy me is when the same lvl 50 necro's and chanter alts are squatting at every single named camp in Lguk. You come in with a full exp group; tank, puller, healer, dps, and you want to do a real camp like lord,frenzy, king. But, nope, the same lvl 50's are there passing the camps to their guildies.

The manastone camp was horrid for this. Just getting the camp required you to stay there as long as possible to at least pass it to a guildie.

[ShivanAngel]

This is true, but at least there will be alternatives..

As for GE boots, that takes a group anyway... Or a chanter and healer with brass balls.