Expansions after Velious on P1999

[rittmeister]

is this going to happen, like a Progression Server, maybe excluding infamous Expansions and replacing them with own custom made ones, or is Velious the last planned official Expansion?

[Thulack]

Last expansion. There might be custom content(stuff added thats in the "classic" mindset like new zones but not like luclin etc). But all that stuff is years in the future.

[Grimluck]

It's been said by nilbog that there was a possibility of having custom zones, quests, raids, implemented, as long as they were kept in the spirit of classic Everquest. Also, Rogean stated that it was a possibility of opening another progression server a few years after velious was released, and once people were "finished" progressing on that server, that it was to be merged with the main server. Rinse and repeat.

[jarshale]

We really don't need 100 threads about this.

[wormed]

We really don't need 100 threads about this.

Says you.

I love reading the same stuff over and over again regarding expansions post Velious. Who knows, maybe the definition of insanity is wrong and nilbog will swoop into the 7349343th thread about this subject and be like, "I've seen the light... WE WILL DO LUCLIN AND POP!!!!!!!!!"

[cormag]

Velious was the last good expansion and once its fully fleshed out then thats what I call the perfect game.

[kaev]

Says you.

I love reading the same stuff over and over again regarding expansions post Velious. Who knows, maybe the definition of insanity is wrong and nilbog will swoop into the 7349343th thread about this subject and be like, "I've seen the light... WE WILL DO LUCLIN AND POP!!!!!!!!!"

If only we wish hard enough and sincerely enough! I just know the Great Pumpkin will rise up out of the pumpkin patch in West Karana and grant us mercs and raid instances galore!!!!1





or maybe not :shrug:

[wormed]

Velious was the last good expansion and once its fully fleshed out then thats what I call the perfect game.

I liked AA's and Luclin honestly.

[86753o9]

Luclin was pretty good.

FOR ME TO POOP ON!

[Jimjam]

http://makeameme.org/media/created/THE-LINE-MUST.jpg

[rittmeister]

Will you have server transfers for people who want more after Velious?
Like to TGC, Imperium, The hidden Forest, or some other server...

[jarshale]

Will you have server transfers for people who want more after Velious?
Like to TGC, or some other server...

also no

[Jigawatts]

The only thing I'd really want in post-Velious content is for them to make all the classes viable. Druids in raids, warriors for level tanking, wizards that can decently compete with rogues, rangers in.....anything, etc.

Lets get rid of the lolranger mentality.

[Rararboker]

lolranger mentality is classic.

Who else will eat the DT's??

[kaev]

lolranger mentality is classic.

Who else will eat the DT's??

I can assure you from personal experience that Paladins are just as good as Rangers at taking DTs and just as bad as Rangers at tanking the bee queen. :brofist:

[Jigawatts]

lolranger mentality is classic.

Who else will eat the DT's??

Where it concerns making all the classes actually viable and fun, screw classic.

[Buellen]

again with this type of thread.

1. realistically how fast do you think most of the player base will FINISH VELIOUS ? IMHO never. The hard core raiders will do it perry fast, but the rest of us who are not hardcore,regular, Casual raiders will be grinding factions for months if not years.

heck ill be happy if i can ever complete a full set of the Dragon Faction Armor from halls of testing.

2. I know most folks know this but the Server Admins DO NOT LIKE LUCLIN. Can you honestly see A Person dedication his/free time to something he has no love /liking for. I sure as heck would not.

PS: Just thought of this: only ever had one raid group in halls of test in raids i have been part off. CAN halls of test support more than one raid group ???

[falkun]

No xpacs. Restart from the beginning:
But maybe before recycled server.

[Haynar]

Wild guess. Add new zones and content. Zones may be a mashup from other expansions.

Maybe level to 65.

Maybe add AAs.

I am all for luclin and pop. But I think the recycled server would be a better place. Leave this one only thru velious.

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[Pemolis]

honestly Luclin ruined the game for me (stopped 2 months after its release, never returned).

The concepts of "The Moon", 1 central location for Everything (bazaar), the Nexus (destroyed anytype of interaction outside of there, world felt empty)...

Except for the beastlord, Luclin destroyed all of classic EQ.

Would I like beastlords. Yes would love them. Do I want ANYTHING in Luclin besides the beastlords? no. Heck they could even Include the beastlords into EQ as the level cap wasn't increased in Luclin.

But even to contemplate it, is probably looking at a good few years and would probably be a part of that "custom" content.

[curtischoy]

Wild guess. Add new zones and content. Zones may be a mashup from other expansions.

Maybe level to 65.

Maybe add AAs.

I am all for luclin and pop. But I think the recycled server would be a better place. Leave this one only thru velious.

H
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That would be amazing.

[Topgunben]

The only thing I'd really want in post-Velious content is for them to make all the classes viable. Druids in raids, warriors for level tanking, wizards that can decently compete with rogues, rangers in.....anything, etc.

Lets get rid of the lolranger mentality.

I think removing the exp penalty from Rangers and reducing the exp penalty on Paladins would not only encourage people to play these classes, but it would also make sense.

[foldupmonk]

Ill gladly keep my exp penalty for AM3 and EQ. I wont tell.....

[Doors]

Please add AA's.

[MaCtastic]

I really enjoyed the continued character progression via AA. Also, minus the tele books in PoP, the planes raiding was my favorite. I remember my guilds journey to and through Time on CT. Fighting all the gods were the Pinnacle in my opinion. Everything after that started to slide towards other MMORPG trends.

[Daldaen]

One thing that should be considered is the LoY Spell Research System.

Basically it added new pages that allowed level 51-60 spells to be researched (including Priest spells). Some of these pages ended up being rare and just as valuable as the spell scrolls themselves, but it offered a tradeskilled alternative to getting spells like Torpor or Pox or EoT. Giving tradeskills a purpose, which they barely have right now.

[Topgunben]

Another server with PVP teams (races or good/evil)

[loramin]

Who knows, maybe the definition of insanity is wrong and nilbog will swoop into the 7349343th thread about this subject and be like, "I've seen the light... WE WILL DO LUCLIN AND POP!!!!!!!!!"

Not quite Nilbog, but ...
I am all for luclin and pop. But I think the recycled server would be a better place. Leave this one only thru velious.

[loramin]

One thing that should be considered is the LoY Spell Research System.
Ah LoY, the most under-appreciated expansion ever ...

[Jimjam]

Agreed, LoY was fun!

Felt more like true EQ to me instead of the raid obsessed game it quickly became.

[kaev]

Agreed, LoY was fun!

Felt more like true EQ to me instead of the raid obsessed game it quickly became.

:boggle:

I had a lot of fun starting over on a new server when LoY came out, but you can't be serious with that second comment. EQ became raid-obsessed with Velious and LoY is post-PoP! You know, PoP, the expansion in which the single-group content was aimed at raid geared players.

[Jimjam]

Yes, I know LoY is post PoP, I was saying it felt a bit like a throw back to way, way before PoP. It reminded me of exploring classic zones.

[loramin]

EQ became raid-obsessed with Velious and LoY is post-PoP! You know, PoP, the expansion in which the single-group content was aimed at raid geared players.

And this is exactly why LoY was so poorly received: it added classic content (eg. low-level grouping zones) in the "everyone kills gods" era.

[Daldaen]

Ah LoY, the most under-appreciated expansion ever ...

Fixed Raid Window
85/15 Gimp System
Mass Enchants/Imbues
Added Research
Excellent mid-level spell quests
Shared Bank
8 More Bank Slots
Mana shown in Inventory
Scroll Wheel to 3rd Person

I think those are just a few of the highlights

[Lady Julae]

The only thing I'd really want in post-Velious content is for them to make all the classes viable. Druids in raids, warriors for level tanking, wizards that can decently compete with rogues, rangers in.....anything, etc.

Lets get rid of the lolranger mentality.

The whole beauty of EQ Classic is that not every class IS viable in given situations. The very fact that the classes are not balanced either makes for better group interactions and player dependency.

MMOs today all feel the same because every class is "balanced" and self sufficient; so much that the difference between classes in today's mmos are practically skin and animations.

[Daldaen]

The whole beauty of EQ Classic is that not every class IS viable in given situations. The very fact that the classes are not balanced either makes for better group interactions and player dependency.

MMOs today all feel the same because every class is "balanced" and self sufficient; so much that the difference between classes in today's mmos are practically skin and animations.

There's an enormous difference between balanced and every class is self sufficient.

Balance means every group can suffice with any of the 3 priests healing, they will just each heal in a different way (later on EQ this was true, shamans through HoT+Slow Damage prevention, Druids through fast heals, and clerics through a combination of HoT/Fast Heals).

Classic EQ was horribly balanced until PoP. PoP everything fell more in line. Knights and Warriors could tank the same group content. Druids, Shamans and Clerics could heal the same group content. Wizards and Rangers were fantastic group DPS, etc.

In Velious a Cleric will be a requirement in a high level group camp like Sirens Grotto. That's dumb that you are required to have a single class to do normal content. There should be some interchangeability. You're required to have a healer, sure. You're required to have a tank, definitely. You're required to have some DPS, fantastic.

But requiring a warrior, cleric, shaman, rogue setup is dumb. It was close to heading this way but AAs and Luclin/PoP balanced things out very nicely

[kaev]

And this is exactly why LoY was so poorly received: it added classic content (eg. low-level grouping zones) in the "everyone kills gods" era.

I do wonder how many of the people who started over on the server they opened at LoY release (Stromm? think that was the name) are here on p99. New server + new content definitely gave the most :classic: feel EQ had had since Kunark, or that's how it felt to me anyway.

[fishingme]

If any of you remember the old eq cloth map, was probably on the paper map also. But having the zones on the map added would be reallly cool along with being along classic timeline, just stuff that wasn't implemented. Here's a link to the map, it's hard to read but you can still make out the zone names and what they kind of look like.

http://www.eqnforum.com/attachments/2013-08-06_16-23-08_767-jpg.279/

[Lady Julae]

...
Balance means every group can suffice with any of the 3 priests healing, they will just each heal in a different way (later on EQ this was true, shamans through HoT+Slow Damage prevention, Druids through fast heals, and clerics through a combination of HoT/Fast Heals).

Err, no. Balance is mainly rock-paper-scissors when fighting PvP. Self sufficient means you do not need any other class to help you out on your way to max level, in addition it is also your definition of balance, where by every healing class is the same, just a different skin and animation, which is what I said in my previous post.


Classic EQ was horribly balanced until PoP. PoP everything fell more in line. Knights and Warriors could tank the same group content. Druids, Shamans and Clerics could heal the same group content. Wizards and Rangers were fantastic group DPS, etc.

PoP also made EQ like every cookie cutter MMORPG out there in terms of class self sufficiency. The classes had no identity to separate them other than aesthetic choices in your role.


In Velious a Cleric will be a requirement in a high level group camp like Sirens Grotto. That's dumb that you are required to have a single class to do normal content. There should be some interchangeability. You're required to have a healer, sure. You're required to have a tank, definitely. You're required to have some DPS, fantastic.

It's not dumb, it's what separates clerics from other healing classes. Druids and Shamans were never meant to perform an equal healing role as clerics in high end content. They are utility healers with their own role at that point, shamans for debuffs and buffs, druids for damage shields and succor.


But requiring a warrior, cleric, shaman, rogue setup is dumb. It was close to heading this way but AAs and Luclin/PoP balanced things out very nicely

The original set up is: Warrior, Cleric Enchanter (Original Trinity), then add 2DPS (doesn't matter) and 1 off/secondary-healer (preferably Shaman or Druid). That's a Shaman and Druid's role - off/secondary healer. They mainly buff/debuff/DS and use extra mana for heals when the cleric is OOM and meditating during long fights.

All AAs did for EQ was make difficult content doable in Luclin. Without Luclin mobs, you don't need AAs.

[fishingme]

There's an enormous difference between balanced and every class is self sufficient.

Balance means every group can suffice with any of the 3 priests healing, they will just each heal in a different way (later on EQ this was true, shamans through HoT+Slow Damage prevention, Druids through fast heals, and clerics through a combination of HoT/Fast Heals).

Classic EQ was horribly balanced until PoP. PoP everything fell more in line. Knights and Warriors could tank the same group content. Druids, Shamans and Clerics could heal the same group content. Wizards and Rangers were fantastic group DPS, etc.

In Velious a Cleric will be a requirement in a high level group camp like Sirens Grotto. That's dumb that you are required to have a single class to do normal content. There should be some interchangeability. You're required to have a healer, sure. You're required to have a tank, definitely. You're required to have some DPS, fantastic.

But requiring a warrior, cleric, shaman, rogue setup is dumb. It was close to heading this way but AAs and Luclin/PoP balanced things out very nicely

If you want this type of "class balance", then classic EQ is not for you and you might want to try World of Warcraft.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

If you want this type of "class balance", then classic EQ is not for you and you might want to try World of Warcraft.

Can't get much more balanced than League of Legends. Balance patches nearly weekly. And free.

[Jaleth]

Fixed Raid Window
85/15 Gimp System
Mass Enchants/Imbues
Added Research
Excellent mid-level spell quests
Shared Bank
8 More Bank Slots
Mana shown in Inventory
Scroll Wheel to 3rd Person

I think those are just a few of the highlights

Armor dyes were also introduced in this expansion, correct? If so this is what made me love LoY.

[Kika Maslyaka]

There's an enormous difference between balanced and every class is self sufficient.

Balance means every group can suffice with any of the 3 priests healing, they will just each heal in a different way (later on EQ this was true, shamans through HoT+Slow Damage prevention, Druids through fast heals, and clerics through a combination of HoT/Fast Heals).

Classic EQ was horribly balanced until PoP. PoP everything fell more in line. Knights and Warriors could tank the same group content. Druids, Shamans and Clerics could heal the same group content. Wizards and Rangers were fantastic group DPS, etc.

In Velious a Cleric will be a requirement in a high level group camp like Sirens Grotto. That's dumb that you are required to have a single class to do normal content. There should be some interchangeability. You're required to have a healer, sure. You're required to have a tank, definitely. You're required to have some DPS, fantastic.

But requiring a warrior, cleric, shaman, rogue setup is dumb. It was close to heading this way but AAs and Luclin/PoP balanced things out very nicely

+1
Class interchangeability within arch classes (all healers, all tanks, etc) are not the same as WoW system where MOST of the classes can switch between complete arch roles from tank to dps to healer on a whim.

And if game MEANT for every group to have mandatory war+cle+enc, + 3 dps, then what the hell the other 9 classes are for? Cosmetic appearances? That's BS ;)

[Baler]

Can they just add PoP and skip luclin? <3

[Rararboker]

+1
Class interchangeability within arch classes (all healers, all tanks, etc) are not the same as WoW system where MOST of the classes can switch between complete arch roles from tank to dps to healer on a whim.

And if game MEANT for every group to have mandatory war+cle+enc, + 3 dps, then what the hell the other 9 classes are for? Cosmetic appearances? That's BS ;)

Wha? Do you even play this game? That post reads like it was written by someone who doesn't play p99. Classes all have roles and specific uses but not all of them fall into the "optimum for standard groups" category. I believe there is a place where you can find that. It is called, every other MMO on the market.

[eyepatch]

Custom content could be amazing. Luclin and pop zones with classic NPC's?

[Kika Maslyaka]

Wha? Do you even play this game? That post reads like it was written by someone who doesn't play p99. Classes all have roles and specific uses but not all of them fall into the "optimum for standard groups" category. I believe there is a place where you can find that. It is called, every other MMO on the market.

In Velious a Cleric will be a requirement in a high level group camp like Sirens Grotto. That's dumb that you are required to have a single class to do normal content.

Yes, I didn't meant your average sit on your ass Karnor group.

And - "Classes all have roles and specific uses" - is laughable. Ranger brings such a great class specific ability to a group - they needed to take DTs... and oh wait they can track!

[Rararboker]

So, you claim they have no role then mention a few of their roles? Not sure if trolling or if you actually think you are making sense right now.

Taking DT's is actually a very important aspect to taking down mobs who do DT. If you don't specify then tanks and clerics are most likely the first to get mowed down. Tracking, likewise, is an important role that only rangers can really fulfill.

Are all of the roles in EQ glamorous? Not necessarily but that is part of the appeal. People, the staff, made this server because classic EQ was special. Likewise, everyone who chooses to play here does so for those same reasons. So instead of requesting everyone else conforms to how you think p99 should be run, why don't you just enjoy it?

Otherwise, as I already stated, there is a multitude of other games which offer the "balance" you seek.

[Kika Maslyaka]

So, you claim they have no role then mention a few of their roles? Not sure if trolling or if you actually think you are making sense right now.

Taking DT's is actually a very important aspect to taking down mobs who do DT. If you don't specify then tanks and clerics are most likely the first to get mowed down. Tracking, likewise, is an important role that only rangers can really fulfill.

Are all of the roles in EQ glamorous? Not necessarily but that is part of the appeal. People, the staff, made this server because classic EQ was special. Likewise, everyone who chooses to play here does so for those same reasons. So instead of requesting everyone else conforms to how you think p99 should be run, why don't you just enjoy it?

Otherwise, as I already stated, there is a multitude of other games which offer the "balance" you seek.

You seem to be confused about liking general idea of a classic setting vs liking everything classic up to 100% like some sort of religious fanatic.
Just because I don't like SOME of the thing that going on in MY country, doesn't mean I want to immigrate.
And any idiot can be assigned to take a DT - the reason it was always joked to go the ranger only signifies how useless they were for pretty much anything else. And tracking is hardly EVER needed once you get a little bit accustomed with the area you hunting/camping.
The sheer fact that some classes were made ultra-specialized for hard grouping/raiding, while others were given questionable soloing abilities shows inherited issues with game original design (such as hideous Xp penalties on rather gimp classes, while having virtually no penalty on ultra powerful class like necro). Even original EQ devs realized this and XP penalties were removed during Velious and classes got few extra perks that helped them to be more balanced. Even them, the game itself shifted heavily towards higher end, where more casual grouping classes became less desirable (again see statement by Daldaen about Velious high end grouping content)

[curryworst]

argh no keep the classic style going pop and luclin where too much.

[mystang89]

Um, just my 2 cents here. I wouldn't mind AAs and the use of the /autofire macro. Also the map was nice.

[Jimjam]

Guktan Froglok Berserkers.

Absolutely not classic but me wanty.

[Deckk]

This topic seems to come up a lot.

I'd love to see them decide they want to continue with progression, but from all I've heard, it's not happening.

[mystang89]

While I'm going over a wish list I might add well throw in the bazaar. I think that is a really nice mechanic to have along with a recipe book. I thought they put this in the game somewhere.

[Champion_Standing]

Well after they release Velious and get all the bugs worked out and get it as close to live was as possible I would like to see a lvl 60 copy/transfer only server with AAs enabled. Just unlock all the AAs through PoP, with all level 60's there shouldn't be a concern with it trivializing the classic content where people are leveling up and farming etc.

That would be my sorta simple extra server wish, that or just one that wipes automatically every 6 months.

[mystang89]

Wait, what? Like, a wipe of your character so you have to start over again?

[curtischoy]

Just unlock all the AAs through PoP, with all level 60's there shouldn't be a concern with it trivializing the classic content where people are leveling up and farming etc.

PoP AAs are really powerful. I bet it would trivialize a lot, but you never know cuz it was never done w/ only lvl 60 being the max.

[wormed]

I definitely understand some of the sentiment of disliking Luclin/PoP, but I think each had some very good aspects. The custom content could be taking the best elements of those expansions and utilizing them instead of a full on introduction of the whole expansion.

I think Luclin, aside from the silly argument about lore, was a decent expansion still in the "classic" vein, to a degree. I would definitely remove the Bazaar, and some other things. But the AA's were good, I was ok with VT/Ssra, etc.

We'll see!

[Rararboker]

...random babbling....

Guess you never tried to run the FM or TT spawned cycles or hunt down Faydedar. But please continue to post more nonsense I am finding mild entertainment from it. In the end I don't need to argue because I joined a server which provides exactly what I want in EQ. And the people who run it have plainly stated they don't plan on changing their plans.

[Kika Maslyaka]

...random whining...

I guess you still a complete noob trying to rely on every minor utility to get anything done. But please continue to post more nonsense I am finding mild entertainment from it. In the end I don't need to argue because when this server will be couple years into Velious the devs WILL add custom content all of the whiners like you will finally leave the server so the air around here will get a lot cleaner.