Heros of the Storm

[citizen1080]

Bueller...Bueller?

[Thulack]

There was a post a few months ago about it. can dig it up. I went through the tutorial and its like a simplified version of LoL to me so passed.

[citizen1080]

LoL is just a simplifed version of dota2 iirc? I haven't really gotten into a moba before..dabbled with dota1/2.

[Thulack]

LoL is just a simplifed version of dota2 iirc? I haven't really gotten into a moba before..dabbled with dota1/2.

Ive never played DOTA. ive watched a few streams and i just didnt see enough to make me want to switch from LoL. I'm one that likes things in LoL like laning phases and itemizing 2 of which there is none in HotS.

[Samoht]

No, LOL is not a simplified version of DOTA2. LOL came out a long time before DOTA2, so you could call DOTA2 a true successor to DOTA while LOL deviated from the DOTA vision by cleaning up a lot of things, but it's hardly a version of DOTA2.

Likewise, HOTS streamlines even more things. Perhaps a bit too far because they made HOTS a very passive game. You basically AFK in lane and only clear creeps to keep them from reaching your turrets. Some maps may require you to acquire a PVE objective. This is still rather passive play for anybody that intended to play a PVP game.

I played HOTS beta for 20 levels, and then it started feeling like doing WOW daily quests all over again because I was mindlessly going through games against bots over and over again. They actively discourage communication with your teammates. Nobody was playing against other players before they got to level 40. It was all bot games.

The game is definitely unique, but it requires less skill than LOL or DOTA2. And that's the kind of players it will attract.

[LoliPops]

http://wallpaper.ultradownloads.com.br/279555_Papel-de-Parede-Meme-Nerd_2560x1440.jpg

[katrik]

I've never played any MOBA. Why should I play one?

[Samoht]

I've never played any MOBA. Why should I play one?

MOBAs are a different kind of PVP game from an MMO. The scope of a MOBA is extremely narrow. It's basically rated BGs or arenas from WOW pulled out to be standalone. Most of the time, they're presented in top down RTS fashion, but they can also be done with the camera in a third-person behind view similar to MMOs (Smite).

In each match of a MOBA, you select an existing champion from a predetermined pool, and then you customize him through levels and sometimes items available in the current match. The first team to destroy the opponents base wins. At the end of the match, progress on that champion can go towards your personal progress, but it will not carry over to the next match. They always start over.

There's no gear to grind, no PP to spend, and no attachment to the champions. This puts everybody on even footing, but only if the champion pool is balanced. This varies from game to game.

So you should play MOBAs if you're into PVP, but are not looking for the time sink related to MMOs. You can jump in, kill 20 minutes, and move on with your life when you're done.

Or you can play another match. It's up to you.

[Swish]

(HOTS) They actively discourage communication with your teammates.

They know the score, the MOBA community is full of assholes - if its more tricky for people to communicate they get to keep everything flowery for their kiddie player base.

[kdko]

If you're going to get into MOBA's pick up Dota 2. By far the best one out there (and ive tried them all). Just understand that you will suck for hundreds of hours, and will get your ass kicked. There's no easy transition into playing MOBA's unless you've played them before.

[Samoht]

If you're going to get into MOBA's pick up Dota 2. By far the best one out there (and ive tried them all).

LOL is much cleaner.

[kdko]

LOL is much cleaner.

You're crazy. Plus paying for champions? GTFO.

[Samoht]

You're crazy. Plus paying for champions? GTFO.

You don't have to pay for anything. It's gated, but there's a large number of free to play champs every week. Makes a for a higher quality product.

[xKoopa]

You don't have to pay for anything. It's gated, but there's a large number of free to play champs every week. Makes a for a higher quality product.

are there any champs that are strictly cash to buy? pretty sure theyre all available free if you save up ip

[citizen1080]

Thanks for break down gents...i can see your points. I do kinda like the lack of communication in hots tbh...learning curve in dota was brutal...i knew i sucked....i didnt need asshats telling me ever 3 seconds lol.

[Thulack]

are there any champs that are strictly cash to buy? pretty sure theyre all available free if you save up ip

The only thing that you can actually buy is skins(no actual effects just visual) and xp and IP(points used to buy champs that you get after every game) boosts. You can also buy champs with real money if you wanted too. but Runes which are power items to customize your champ are only bought with earned IP.

[surron]

LoL is the casual version of dota

[xKoopa]

LoL is the casual version of dota

Only hipsters play dota cuz theyre too cool for the popular LoL

Pretty sure league is so successful for a reason

[surron]

Only hipsters play dota cuz theyre too cool for the popular LoL

Pretty sure league is so successful for a reason

of course a standalone game is going to be more successful than a warcraft 3 mod...

league is also more successful because it's easier and more casual, plus it came out before dota 2 and kiddies have already spent hundreds of dollars on champions to move away from it.

[apio]

LoL doesn't allow the Denying of creeps, which makes the laning phase ultra boring, and for me that's what killed the game. I can see how it is so successful though, they are basically the WoW of moba.

The community is terrible in any moba, and more often than not a game is decided by who has the bigger noobs on the team. It get's very frustrating because usually the outcome of a game is very clear after the first few fights, and the snowball effect (doubled because of levels AND equipment both making you stronger) makes it even harder for people to make up the lost ground, especially for unskilled players.

Learning curves are super steep, and it is very hard to learn the game when you are constantly being flamed by everyone. This happens in every moba, and not just specific ones.

Bottom line is, after a while MOBA games just feel like a roll of the dice, unless you play with a fixed team, in which case you will be facing high level basement dwellers which also doesn't make the game much more entertaining, unfortunately

Oh my personal rating is:

Dota2 > Heroes of Newerth > Smite > Heroes of the Storm > LoL > Infinite Crisis > WC3 Dota Mod

[Thulack]

LoL doesn't allow the Denying of creeps, which makes the laning phase ultra boring, and for me that's what killed the game. I can see how it is so successful though, they are basically the WoW of moba.

The community is terrible in any moba, and more often than not a game is decided by who has the bigger noobs on the team. It get's very frustrating because usually the outcome of a game is very clear after the first few fights, and the snowball effect (doubled because of levels AND equipment both making you stronger) makes it even harder for people to make up the lost ground, especially for unskilled players.

Learning curves are super steep, and it is very hard to learn the game when you are constantly being flamed by everyone. This happens in every moba, and not just specific ones.

Bottom line is, after a while MOBA games just feel like a roll of the dice, unless you play with a fixed team, in which case you will be facing high level basement dwellers which also doesn't make the game much more entertaining, unfortunately

Oh my personal rating is:

Dota2 > Heroes of Newerth > Smite > Heroes of the Storm > LoL > Infinite Crisis > WC3 Dota Mod

You know how you deny creeps? You smack the other guy in the face so he backs off :)

[Samoht]

Because killing your own minions makes so much sense to begin with.

[Samoht]

LoL doesn't allow the Denying of creeps, which makes the laning phase ultra boring, and for me that's what killed the game.

Oh my personal rating is:

Dota2 > Heroes of Newerth > Smite > Heroes of the Storm > LoL > Infinite Crisis > WC3 Dota Mod

Sorry, your fanboy bias is showing. How do you argue that denying is such a complex strategy and that the laning phase is ultra boring without it and then rank HOTS above LOL? HOTS doesn't have denying. You don't even have to kill enemy creeps in HOTS. You just AFK in lane until the first PVE objective spawns.

[apio]

Sorry, your fanboy bias is showing. How do you argue that denying is such a complex strategy and that the laning phase is ultra boring without it and then rank HOTS above LOL? HOTS doesn't have denying. You don't even have to kill enemy creeps in HOTS. You just AFK in lane until the first PVE objective spawns.

I am sorry my personal rankings angered you. Also, I haven't played a single moba game in a year or so, hardly a fanboy

[Samoht]

I am sorry my personal rankings angered you. Also, I haven't played a single moba game in a year or so, hardly a fanboy

I think it definitely makes you a DotA2 fanboy if you can rank games you've never played over League of Legends. I'm assuming you've played that, right?

[apio]

Oops, I meant to say I haven't played any MOBA besides HOTS for over a year. The reason I ranked it higher than LoL is because I disliked more things about LoL than I did about HOTS, it is as simple as that. No person has time to play more than 1 MOBA (I do not even have time to play 1), so it really does not matter what comes at position 2-20.

If you keep complaining I will rank Infinite Crisis above LoL as well. :)

[Swish]

I had a game of LOL last night as a support. Jinx went straight to the second bush near the enemy tower, didn't get found out but tried to assault both the enemy ADC and support - did nothing notable and flashed away.

That prompted an early jungle gank from Hecarim (pre-6) because she had no flash... and being about as good as that for the rest of the game it snowballed... all because of one shitty player. I can see why people get mad. I can't remember if I was Nami or Sona but either way my heals weren't enough to keep him alive.

[kdko]

Because killing your own minions makes so much sense to begin with.


You are such a tard, haha. Can you not comprehend why you would do that? You should just stop posting in this thread. Especially when you've obviously never played Dota or Dota 2 yet are throwing around your opinion like it matters.

[Samoht]

Can you not comprehend why you would do that?

You can continue to defend the archaic mechanic of denying, or you can realize that it's such a shit mechanic that every other MOBA evolution besides DotA2 has omitted it and stop pretending that that's what makes it good. Nobody plays DotA2. Nobody plays HotS. Nobody plays HoN. Nobody plays Smite.

The world is behind League of Legends. Everybody except DotA2 fanboys. And that's how you can pick them out of the crowd.

[Luminari]

LoL is unquestionably the best moba in the genre second only to Smite since it's the only moba that offers an FPS/MMO style perspective. Dota 2 is a game for sadomasochists/people who enjoy things like auto-erotic asphyxiation. The responsiveness of dota 2 is enough to cause cancer. Dota 2 does not take more skill, it just has god awful tedious moronic game mechanics that give it the illusion of being more difficult. If you think that some how denying adds more skill to the game, you're a fucking idiot. If you think that losing gold when you die adds more skill to the game, you're a fucking idiot.

LoL is not more casual in anyway whatsoever and the proof is in the fact that none of these retards dissing league could ever make it to diamond+ rank. Try playing people of my skill level and see how "casual" the game is as I embarrass the living shit out of you and have your entire team raging at you.

[citizen1080]

LoL is unquestionably the best moba in the genre second only to Smite since it's the only moba that offers an FPS/MMO style perspective. Dota 2 is a game for sadomasochists/people who enjoy things like auto-erotic asphyxiation. The responsiveness of dota 2 is enough to cause cancer. Dota 2 does not take more skill, it just has god awful tedious moronic game mechanics that give it the illusion of being more difficult. If you think that some how denying adds more skill to the game, you're a fucking idiot. If you think that losing gold when you die adds more skill to the game, you're a fucking idiot.

LoL is not more casual in anyway whatsoever and the proof is in the fact that none of these retards dissing league could ever make it to diamond+ rank. Try playing people of my skill level and see how "casual" the game is as I embarrass the living shit out of you and have your entire team raging at you.

^mad

[kdko]

I love these scrubby LoL fanboys who could never hack it in DOTA 2 so incessantly defend their crappy, outdated moba. Graphics, gameplay, mechanics, all light years behind DOTA 2. And denying is dumb? Dumb is better used to describe the player that can't adapt to one more mechanic that adds huge depth to gameplay. Keep defending the game that emulated DOTA, and can't hold a candle to DOTA 2 though, its amusing.

[kdko]

I like how Luminari's defense for LoL is that it's an easier game that has less depth. Niiiiice. Sounds like you never made it out of low priority in DOTA 2.

[Swish]

I prefer LoL, no amount of posting is going to change that.

DOTA seems weird in the sense that names like Volibear would turn into "Enraged Grizzly" or something... I hate their naming system.

[Luminari]

I love these scrubby LoL fanboys who could never hack it in DOTA 2 so incessantly defend their crappy, outdated moba. Graphics, gameplay, mechanics, all light years behind DOTA 2. And denying is dumb? Dumb is better used to describe the player that can't adapt to one more mechanic that adds huge depth to gameplay. Keep defending the game that emulated DOTA, and can't hold a candle to DOTA 2 though, its amusing.

LOLLLLL! Mechanics/graphics light years behind dota??????????? Holy fucking kill yourself. Click to turn in dota 2 takes a fucking year. Click to turn in LoL takes a milisecond. Get your fucking head checked please.

Can't hold a candle to dota and yet has more than 10x the amount of players and people who want to actually watch it. You're sincerely a mother fucking retard.

[Swish]

LoL for some, DOTA for others...

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

League isn't more popular because it's ultra casual.
WoW wasn't more popular because it's ultra casual.
:rolleyes:

[apio]

I think WoW and LoL both owe their huge success to the timing of their release, it has very little to do with the quality of the game.

[Oogei]

Heroes of the storm is definetly not casual due to less laning mechanics. each map offers a variety of different meta mechanics you learn as you play. Instead of the old creep deny lame Lane mechanics you try to push down an enemy hero to expend their well heal and get them down low enough to be easily picked off for the future objective that will spawn.

If anyone here plays send me a pm

[Samoht]

I love these scrubby LoL fanboys who could never hack it in DOTA 2 so incessantly defend their crappy, outdated moba. Graphics, gameplay, mechanics, all light years behind DOTA 2. And denying is dumb? Dumb is better used to describe the player that can't adapt to one more mechanic that adds huge depth to gameplay. Keep defending the game that emulated DOTA, and can't hold a candle to DOTA 2 though, its amusing.

Yeah, and denying isn't even the only bad and counter-intuitive mechanic that they implemented only for the sake of keeping the "spirit" of the original game alive. Turn radius. GOLD LOSS ON DEATH.

All this crap actually does is slow the game down or, worse, make it extremely snowbally and one-sided. Games should be fun for all parties. If you think it's fun to sit AFK under your turret without having to farm minions, might as well play HotS.

[surron]

I prefer LoL, no amount of posting is going to change that.

DOTA seems weird in the sense that names like Volibear would turn into "Enraged Grizzly" or something... I hate their naming system.

That's because Dota 1 used two names for each hero, one to represent the "class" and one to represent the personal name. Like "Kardel Sharpeye" The Sniper... He's just called The Sniper in dota 2 because blizzard has copy rights on some of the names. And "Pudge" The Butcher... Butcher is a common blizzard reference to diablo.






in response to LoL fanboy Samoht...

how is denying a dumb mechanic? it forces you to choose when to deny and when to farm. denying also gives opportunity for a support to be more useful early game.

gold loss on death means there is a greater emphasis on not dying, unlike LoL where dying doesn't really matter

plus no one from LoL likes to admit the entire game's style, 75% of the heroes, 75% of the abilities is a direct rip off from dota 1

LoL is easier for 12 year olds to play, that's why it is more popular... Young teenagers determine popularity of video games since the dawn of time b

[Samoht]

plus no one from LoL likes to admit the entire game's style, 75% of the heroes, 75% of the abilities is a direct rip off from dota 1

You do know that DotA 2 is completely unaffiliated with DotA, right? And that anything they have is also a rip-off of Blizzard IP?

[apio]

All I know is you are butthurt other people do not prefer the game you prefer, and people like you are the reason why mobas in general are nothing but a pain in the ass. Nobody wants to argue with children all day long. And that is unfortunately 99% of ANY moba game, regardless of name :)

[Samoht]

All I know is you are butthurt other people do not prefer the game you prefer, and people like you are the reason why mobas in general are nothing but a pain in the ass. Nobody wants to argue with children all day long. And that is unfortunately 99% of ANY moba game, regardless of name :)

Butthurt? Is that what you'd call how you reacted over being called a fanboy? Game is less popular for a reason. For lots of reasons. But fanboys gonna fanboy.

[Vorkon]

Moba communities are wicked toxic places. Which turn me off of them. But overall HoTS itself isn't a bad game. I'd play it over Dota2 and LoL. But in terms of enjoyment I like Smite the best. While Ive played Dota2 and have an understanding of whats going on, trying to get new people into it is rough based on the horrible spectator UI, Which makes broadcasting and viewing it tedious, They need more of a quick chart reference to tab to instead of keeping the CS/Deny menu up. A basic LoL (Smite) type score sheet at the bottom with gear would go a long way.

With Blizzard backing HoTS it should be interesting to see what happens when they put full weight of the company behind it, and start getting legit regional and world championships going. They should also think about tweaking the laning phase of the game, and drop some of the PvE focus objectives.

[Samoht]

They should also think about tweaking the laning phase of the game, and drop some of the PvE focus objectives.

they made HOTS a very passive game. You basically AFK in lane and only clear creeps to keep them from reaching your turrets. Some maps may require you to acquire a PVE objective. This is still rather passive play for anybody that intended to play a PVP game.

Yes please.

[Luminari]

"gold loss on death means there is a greater emphasis on not dying, unlike LoL where dying doesn't really matter"

Welp, it's obvious. You're a fucking retard.

[Knuckle]

was in HOTS beta for awhile, i am not a moba elitist by any means, i have played LoL on and off for like 6 years but i will tell you HOTS is boring as fuck.

[LoliPops]

Ok there Cuckle. There's only one boring game in this video:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RR7CU3CJ7iU/maxresdefault.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR7CU3CJ7iU

[stavio]

was in HOTS beta for awhile, i am not a moba elitist by any means, i have played LoL on and off for like 6 years but i will tell you HOTS is boring as fuck.

Likewise here, I got into beta right before jaina? was put into the game. Moba's aren't really my thing and Hots didn't help that any, but I have spent some time in LoL over the past years, very casually.

p.s.
Hots is boring

[HalflingWarrior]

You don't have to pay for anything. It's gated, but there's a large number of free to play champs every week. Makes a for a higher quality product.

L.M.A.O. A higher quality product? LOL is essentially a glorified flash game built with Adobe.

LOL still has some of the same bugs that existed SIX YEARS AGO IN BETA. For example being DCed while connecting and getting the infamous "bug splat" message; which prevents you from reconnecting for a solid ten minutes

[HalflingWarrior]

Only hipsters play dota cuz theyre too cool for the popular LoL

Pretty sure league is so successful for a reason

Yet the DOTA2 prize pool is currently pushing $25 million?

[HalflingWarrior]

Yet the DOTA2 prize pool is currently pushing $25 million?

The biggest difference is that every game of league is the same while DOTA2 remains fluid. LOL is, in every single game you'll ever play, ADC + support bot, mage/assassin mid, melee bruiser top and a jungler.

On the other hand every game of DOTA2 is different. And its not just about "denying takes more skill mechanically" its a strategic thing to control wavepush. I played LOL a lot. I was diamond 5 ranked when I quit and simply put: DOTA2 is infinitely deeper a game both I'm terms of mechanics AND strategy.

And is this guy REALLY trying to say LOL has higher quality production values? DOTA2 has infinitely better graphics and sound quality. Hell DOTA2 heroes have like 100+ voice lines each including directly addressing interactions with certain other heroes in the game. Heroes in LOL have LITERALLY 2 or 3 lines of dialogue each.

In fact this is one of the reasons why LOL has more players; you can run the game on a potato.

[Luminari]

Yet the DOTA2 prize pool is currently pushing $25 million?

And yet amazingly nobody still gives a fuck about the game because of how unbelievably shitty it is. There's usually more people watching/playing minecraft than dota 2. What the fuck does that tell you? Dota 2 looks like fucking dog shit. Nobody wants to watch it because you can barely tell what the fuck is even going on. Oh and laugh out fucking loud that dota 2 has better mechanics. You've seriously got to be shitting me. Dota 2 literally has the worst mechanics of ANY moba ever made and I'm not even exaggerating whatsoever.

The biggest difference is that every game of league is the same while DOTA2 remains fluid. LOL is, in every single game you'll ever play, ADC + support bot, mage/assassin mid, melee bruiser top and a jungler.

You're so fucking dumb it's actually embarrassing. Every game of baseball is the same! There's always a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd basemen and a short stop and a pitcher and catcher and 3 outfielders! Dota 2 keeps shit fluid though rofl! Kill your fucking self.

[Ennewi]

And yet amazingly nobody still gives a fuck about the game because of how unbelievably shitty it is. There's usually more people watching/playing minecraft than dota 2. What the fuck does that tell you? Dota 2 looks like fucking dog shit. Nobody wants to watch it because you can barely tell what the fuck is even going on. Oh and laugh out fucking loud that dota 2 has better mechanics. You've seriously got to be shitting me. Dota 2 literally has the worst mechanics of ANY moba ever made and I'm not even exaggerating whatsoever.



You're so fucking dumb it's actually embarrassing. Every game of baseball is the same! There's always a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd basemen and a short stop and a pitcher and catcher and 3 outfielders! Dota 2 keeps shit fluid though rofl! Kill your fucking self.

^really mad

[LoliPops]

^really mad

[Ennewi]

And yet amazingly nobody still gives a fuck about the game because of how unbelievably shitty it is. There's usually more people watching/playing minecraft than classic EverQuest. What the fuck does that tell you? Classic EverQuest looks like fucking dog shit. Nobody wants to watch it because you can barely tell what the fuck is even going on. Oh and laugh out fucking loud that classic EverQuest has better mechanics. You've seriously got to be shitting me. Classic EverQuest literally has the worst mechanics of ANY mmorpg ever made and I'm not even exaggerating whatsoever.

ftfy

[xKoopa]

The biggest difference is that every game of league is the same while DOTA2 remains fluid. LOL is, in every single game you'll ever play, ADC + support bot, mage/assassin mid, melee bruiser top and a jungler.

On the other hand every game of DOTA2 is different. And its not just about "denying takes more skill mechanically" its a strategic thing to control wavepush. I played LOL a lot. I was diamond 5 ranked when I quit and simply put: DOTA2 is infinitely deeper a game both I'm terms of mechanics AND strategy.

And is this guy REALLY trying to say LOL has higher quality production values? DOTA2 has infinitely better graphics and sound quality. Hell DOTA2 heroes have like 100+ voice lines each including directly addressing interactions with certain other heroes in the game. Heroes in LOL have LITERALLY 2 or 3 lines of dialogue each.

In fact this is one of the reasons why LOL has more players; you can run the game on a potato.

watch out guys, dota2 heroes have more voice lines. clearly superior game

[apio]

Careful, people. There are some individuals in this thread who have their own opinion!!! Who knows what terrifying things are going to happen next!!

[Oleris]

dota 2 way better than LoL. hope adobe air is treating you well.

[HalflingWarrior]

watch out guys, dota2 heroes have more voice lines. clearly superior game

That was in reference to the games production values not gameplay, shit eater.

Same with the voice lines.

[HalflingWarrior]

Minecraft and LOL can both run on a potato and also can both be understood by 5 year olds. That's why they have higher numbers of players.

But hey have fun paying for heroes, and additional rune pages. Enjoy your Adobe Air based glorified flash game. Enjoy your $25 "legendary skins." I paid $10 for my annual DOTA2 compendium got me about 15 unique hero items that look badass and grant custom spell effects too.

On yea....Enjoy your bugs in the LOL client that have existed SINCE BETA too. Riot gmaes gives NOTHING back to their playerbase I refuse to support them in any way.

They don't even have a separate fucking US East server. U think I'm gonna play a MOBA with 150ms ping? Lmao

[Swish]

They don't even have a separate fucking US East server. U think I'm gonna play a MOBA with 150ms ping? Lmao

Wait, what? I get 150-160 on the NA server from the UK.

Get better internet.

[Thulack]

Minecraft and LOL can both run on a potato and also can both be understood by 5 year olds. That's why they have higher numbers of players.

But hey have fun paying for heroes, and additional rune pages. Enjoy your Adobe Air based glorified flash game. Enjoy your $25 "legendary skins." I paid $10 for my annual DOTA2 compendium got me about 15 unique hero items that look badass and grant custom spell effects too.

On yea....Enjoy your bugs in the LOL client that have existed SINCE BETA too. Riot gmaes gives NOTHING back to their playerbase I refuse to support them in any way.

They don't even have a separate fucking US East server. U think I'm gonna play a MOBA with 150ms ping? Lmao

You sound mad that people can spend money on games. If someone likes a game who cares. Yes Dota 2 is popular yes LoL is popular. Ive watched a few DOTA streams and personally found LoL more entertaining thats why i started playing it. One of my main gripes with how DOTA looked was the ingame ads. That just looks so bad and money hungry. I'll take paying for skins/champs to keep ads out of ingame on LoL.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

I've played league of legends on and off for a few years now. Just wanted to say that you can buy things, but they won't make you win... So, not pay to win. Definitely one of the most balanced games I've played. For instance, if a champion is changed and it's it's found that they are overpowered, you can still ban that champ from the game. Each team gets 3 bans. But, they'll only stay overpowered for a brief time because LoL patches nearly every week. Never have I played a game that was so responsive to their player base. I played WoW PvP for years. A class will go months or an xpac being overpowered or underpowered. Your class sucks? Took you weeks to get it leveled and geared for raiding and PvP? Oh well! Good luck leveling/gearing a class that is not underpowered while everyone is clearing your raids or getting high up in PvP rankings with a nice gear lead on you.

Aside from their response time in OP situations, LoL has also made their competitive professional scene amazing with their Riot Games twitch.tv streams. I love their productions. They really have engaged their community. This is why they have been so successful imo.

How is LoL similar to HOTS? Different?

[Samoht]

On yea....Enjoy your bugs in the LOL client that have existed SINCE BETA too. Riot gmaes gives NOTHING back to their playerbase I refuse to support them in any way.

You keep repeating this unsubstantiated claim that there are bugs. What crashes are you even referring to? By the way, every game crashes at some point. Are you implying that DotA2 has never had a crash? Fanboy argument.

[HalflingWarrior]

Wait, what? I get 150-160 on the NA server from the UK.

Get better internet.

1) time warner has a 100% monopoly here. There the only provider available for 1000s of square miles
2) I get sub 50ms ping in literally every other online game I play

[B4EQWASCOOL]

1) time warner has a 100% monopoly here. There the only provider available for 1000s of square miles
2) I get sub 50ms ping in literally every other online game I play

First world problems

[HalflingWarrior]

Looks like yet ANOTHER win for DOTA2 -- their next update is completely overhauling the entire game. From the front-end to the in game gameplay engine.

That's right: Riot Games cannot move their game from the shitty Adobe Air, glorified-flash-game client and Valve is bringing DOTA2 to the brand new Source 2 engine.

Update graphics, a brand new UI, custom games creation which includes a full modding kit to allow endless gameplay creation opportunities.

Enjoy your $25 skins, though. Riot Games has made BILLIONS of dollars off of LOL and can't be bothered to give ANYTHING back to their playerbase.

[Samoht]

Looks like yet ANOTHER win for DOTA2 -- their next update is completely overhauling the entire game. From the front-end to the in game gameplay engine.

That's right: Riot Games cannot move their game from the shitty Adobe Air, glorified-flash-game client and Valve is bringing DOTA2 to the brand new Source 2 engine.

Update graphics, a brand new UI, custom games creation which includes a full modding kit to allow endless gameplay creation opportunities.

Enjoy your $25 skins, though. Riot Games has made BILLIONS of dollars off of LOL and can't be bothered to give ANYTHING back to their playerbase.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with an HotS thread any more. #fanboygonnafanboy

[citizen1080]

I played Hots today, I am not very good at Hots

[Trainhop]

I'm what you would call a rage quitter.

[Swish]

Looks like yet ANOTHER win for DOTA2 -- their next update is completely overhauling the entire game.

Why would you completely overhaul 'the best MOBA' currently out there?

Clearly because it's not the best MOBA out there.

[citizen1080]

rank 23...come at me brews

[SamwiseRed]

just started playing this yesterday. a lot more fun than LoL so far.

[citizen1080]

^