Just not the same...

[Zenren]

I'm not feeling it... Yesterday I came back after about six months absence. I made two levels on my magician (got from 20 almost to 23). I was stoked and had a blast with a fun group. I logged on today and tried to go to the same camp in Mistmore, hoping to make 24th. I even bought my spells, LOL. I'll be honest this game is one of the few things I've wanted to get back to in a long time, so I can't tell you how frustrated and depressed I was when one guy, someone who had grouped with me yesterday, wouldn't let me in the group, because he didn't want to group with casters. I tried to find other places to level and the few I found were either camped by a group being PLed by a guildmate and didn't want to share the experience, or I just had horrible bad luck. (Had mobs pop on top of me after I cleared a camp.) I was really looking forward to today and one person, because he wanted to be an elitist ass, set in motion a chain of events that ruined my day. I'm sure he doesn't care, "don't cry bro", you know, but I really hope karma bites him in the ass.

So my message is this, just because you've made it to 60th and twinked your rogue out with all the nicest gear, doesn't mean you have to be a douche and not allow others into your group unless they're sufficiently twinked. You don't have to ostracize a random stranger from a camp you're being PLed at because you're afraid it might take 15 more minutes for you to level. There's this thing called common decency and at one point EQ was known for that. You didn't steal someone's kill, you didn't camp a lowbie spot when lowbies needed to level there, you didn't behave like an elitist tool. I'm not sure where those days went, but I sure would like to see them come back. As a returning player, one who played EQ from the start, I can tell you this isn't the EQ I knew. Maybe while we're reminiscing about the old days and returning to those glory days, we can remember how people behaved back then. Lend other people a hand. Let someone in the group that needs the experience. Don't worry about how fast you're making it to 60th if it means you have to treat someone else like a douche.

[Itap]

Perhaps you're not 12 anymore and you don't think killing orcs satisfies the nerd urge.

[Zenren]

See above to see what I'm talking about.

[Rickson]

Hey Zenren,

I have experienced situations like this and then I have experienced people helping more than ever on live. You just have to remember that no matter where you go, you'll get people who suck and people who are awesome. This server has an amazing and helpful community, but you are still going to find some lame elitists at times as you would in anything you do.

Just the other day, an ogre handed me some large banded when he was running by because he noticed I needed it. That's awesome! Hopefully one bad night doesn't get you feeling sour about the whole community.

[Meg]

I've had a day when someone just gave me 400p for no reason and I've had a day when I spent hours just trying to get a bind in GFay. If you like the game itself, then stick around through the bad days because you'll have good days, too.

[jarshale]

You don't have to invite someone into your group. There are a million other places to level.

[Zenren]

jarshale- you don't have to save a baby from drowning in an inch of water, but there are certain things that are considered decent (and normal acts according to society). The restaurant is full, you're sitting alone at a table for six. A couple asks if you mind if they sit at the table, do you say no? See, that's what I'm talking about. There are certain rules that define whether someone is decent or not. It seems like people get on the internet an they just don't care. I don't know if these people were in EQ back in 1999, but if they were they obviously forgot some of the rules we followed.

I was really wanting to quit, but I do like EQ and the last time I left it was because of something similar (a guy kept training me in Unrest because I was taking an odd mob from the courtyard that his group (a guild group that wouldn't let me join) was at. In the old days there never was a single camp in the Courtyard, how was I supposed to know these guys weren't being douches... anyways, after the third corpse run and a bunch of irritating messages, I left. I came back because I got nostalgic and my first night back was great. I had a blast. But today, not so much. Before I nerd raged, I logged off. Well after I nerd raged. I'll get over it, but is it too much to ask people to treat others with respect? When did compassion become a bad thing?

[Hron]

I'd agree some people get hung up on leveling efficiently and tend to build groups and claim more mobs to maximize that but I think in doing that it takes away from the group (player) experience and reduces the game play to a more mechanical grind. It's nice when your goal in leveling is getting there more quickly then you expect but aside from the really painful ones (lvl 51+) the journey in getting there matters a lot more when you're done with it.

If you choose to focus on a more mechanical grind, you'll miss out on connecting with people in a shared social experience, generally make less friends and generally be less worldly. Also, by doing this you're not contributing to the living and active social community that makes up the server impacting it in other ways. Simply by existing on the server and playing in any manner you're impacting and influencing the community in some manner. More if you're communicating with, helping or blocking people from experiencing content. Take a measure of responsibility and realize the impact you're having on the community, and see if that matches with what you intend for how you personally want to shape the community.

tl;dr Be responsible. Realize the influence you have on the community based on your actions and social contribution. Be sure that's what you really intended in evolving the community.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

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[bakkily]

I've ran into this already. Its sad, but best I've found what I can do is, do my part, best I can and be fair. Hmmm, best thing about eq and nostaligia here is making friends, and having an adventure, if some are'nt here to make friends, and want to be recluse, I guess let them. But it sucks when it infringes upon you.

So far, I've ran into some friends and foe's already. Don't let those who are foe's bring you down. Keep adventuring.

[ko37qtl]

I don't know, I've been seeing rotten behavior in this game since I started. From Live to here, it's all pretty consistent. What's also consistent is that it's vastly in the minority. Most people are at worst indifferent and at best really cool. Move along and the law of averages will catch up and you'll find better folks to hang with.

[rahni]

Yes, people can be assholes.

But to play devil's advocate.

Is it not a bit selfish to think that you are the center of this game with 1400 players in it.

Just because someone did not want to pick you for dodge ball, does not affect or influence anyone. Look at that wall of text you wrote over nothing.

[Maelstrom]

Don't give up!

We've all been there, had bad days and whatnot. You said you are a Magician? OMG dude you picked a great soloing class. Plenty of great places for a Mage to solo without danger. Check out Naerron's fantastic Mage solo xp guide here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61623).

Castle Mistmoore can get crazy. It gets competitive, with groups competing for mobs, avoiding trains, etc. Sure the xp is great, but some days you might spend more time LFG in there while you could be soloing up some sweet xp.

Are you guilded? If not, check out College of Adventure, we are a growing guild with members the same level as you. Like seriously, now is the perfect time to hop in.

Good luck!

[waffel]

Yikes, if not getting invited into a group works you up this much I'd hate to see your reaction after getting cut off in traffic. Maybe EQ isn't for you if you can't handle a little group rejection.

[Riotgirl]

I don't know, I've been seeing rotten behavior in this game since I started. From Live to here, it's all pretty consistent. What's also consistent is that it's vastly in the minority. Most people are at worst indifferent and at best really cool. Move along and the law of averages will catch up and you'll find better folks to hang with.

This.

Hate to say it, but "Shit's classic". This behaviour went on in Live re: intentional training, swarm kiting, PLvers (the worst for obnoxious behaviour IMO), et al. However, minority of players - except for certain zones which were notorious for asshats.

I have a notepad and pen due beside me - due to old school mechanics re: lack of journal - and in Live used to have a 'Shit List' of asshats inc. their behaviour that caused them to be added to the list, to remember them in later levels.

If you get truly obnoxious behaviour and/or kids who cannot play nicely in the sandbox together re: douche behaviour like claiming ALL wandering mobs in an outdoor zone as a camp, then inform them that they are wrong, and play as normal. If you get intentionally trained, discuss in OOC, screen-shot, /petition and RnF. Actually, probably Server Chat because it has to be truly epic to be considered RnF material.

Re: Guilds. Just because players are wearing a tag above their heads, doesn't necessarily mean those players will play at a higher standard. The guild actually has to have a standing in the community before anyone actually cares.

Re: Group dynamics. Was chatting in /guild last night about grouping, and a particularly infamous thread in RnF regarding a player who spent 6 hours LFG and then had a melt-down. At no point did said player (a) do something else in-game, or (b) attempt to form a group themselves.

Always keep in mind: WWFD [What Would Fansy Do?]

[burkemi5]

First of all, I have a hard time feeling bad for a Mage who can't get a group. If you cant get a group where you are, go somewhere else. If you need help going somewhere else, pm me and I'll port you tonight,

Also, if a group is able to keep a certain number of mobs down with less than a full group, why should they feel obligated to let others join? I was in a group last night with great synergy and we invited a sixth to "fill it up," a somewhat more casual player who we wanted to pull, and the person had no idea what was going on and get himself killed twice, bringing our efficiency to a screeching halt.

I don't know anything about you so I am sorry if I am making assumptions about you, but you have no reason to be upset if someone else stsrted a group, is keeping the mobs down, and doesn't want to invite a certain class to the fold. It's gotta be one of the most annoying things ever to be a puller, working my butt off to keep 1-3 mobs in camp, only to come back and see a Mage pet idle until the mob is at 40%. Again, I don't know if you're like this, but there is no reason why someone should have to invite you just because you're there. I can only squeeze in a few hours of play time on the weekdays, and I want to take the path thst will give me the most exp humanly possible. Most of the time, this means a group of rogues, monks, a chanter, and a cleric.

[Bristlebard]

I was really looking forward to today and one person, because he wanted to be an elitist ass, set in motion a chain of events that ruined my day. I'm sure he doesn't care, "don't cry bro", you know, but I really hope karma bites him in the ass.

He only ruined your day because you allowed him to.

No, I'm not saying that it doesn't suck when someone else doesn't go along with what you were hoping for in a day/life/whatever. But you really should be taking control of and responsibility for your own self and not letting other people dictate how you will feel at the end of the day.

Karma? Just a myth made up by people who don't carpe diem enough, hoping for revenge against people who wronged them and a better day tomorrow (but without actually putting enough effort into tomorrow, themselves).

[MycahDavith]

Unfortunately you cannot fully expect what some people would consider social norms, courtesy, and being a generally nice or helpful person to be translated well into the internet. Hence trolls. There is a sense of anonymity and hiding behind that monitor that will allow certain people to behave badly. Most internet tough guys would more than likely pee his pants or stay a silent altogether when confronted in real life with any sort of situation they cannot safely run away from or mouth off to via the internet.

Keep your head up, don't let them drag you down.

All I can say is, read the quote in my sig...

[jolanar]

IMO the real problem is just that the server is too crowded.

My best advice is to avoid popular spots completely if you normally play during prime time.

[Tuljin]

someone who had grouped with me yesterday, wouldn't let me in the group, because he didn't want to group with casters.

I can tell you this isn't the EQ I knew.

Nub be nub, not much we can do about it unfortunately.

Most of the people that are 60 on this server at this point can't get there without PLVL then Chardok AOE anyways so don't let some idiot that "doesn't want to group with casters" throw you off.

Level 1 Rogues with epics is not the EQ you knew. People with 8 alts that would cost them hundreds of dollars a month in account fees is not the EQ you knew. Exploiting Chardok AOE on a regular basis which is facilitated by advanced computer hardware with processing power that is orders of magnitude higher than computers 15 years ago with a server staff that allows it to run amok for over a year and a half shows and complete apathy about it while still trying half-heartedly to "bust people for the RMT that goes on there" and flooding the server with a disproportionate number of lvl 60s is not the EQ you knew.

Also, Mistmoore in 20s is a COMPLETE shitshow. Deep in the castle is excellent XP in your high 30s and its always open because nobody can navigate it and survive. The pool and graveyard camps are EZ that's why its packed, yet you still see wipes regularly. There are plenty of things to go solo/duo in 20s if you don't want to deal with the hoi polloi.

Also, the group of nubs getting PLVLed "by a guildie" picked one of the most idiotic places to PLVL anybody - a highly populated zone that has a limited number of not-very-tough mobs. Still need to be close to that zoneout even though getting PLVLed. Its laughable really.

[rusty81]

Its better on red

[myriverse]

The restaurant is full, you're sitting alone at a table for six. A couple asks if you mind if they sit at the table, do you say no? See, that's what I'm talking about.
Don't understand. I would never in a million years be open to someone I didn't know sitting at a restaurant table with me. Look, if a restaurant is full, people wait until it isn't or they find another restaurant. Asking to join in is intruding on their dinner and privacy. It's rude. That's the rule of etiquette.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Don't understand. I would never in a million years be open to someone I didn't know sitting at a restaurant table with me. Look, if a restaurant is full, people wait until it isn't or they find another restaurant. Asking to join in is intruding on their dinner and privacy. It's rude. That's the rule of etiquette.

TIL: rude to ask for a group. Intrusion and bad etiquette. K.

[Tuljin]

TIL: rude to ask for a group. Intrusion and bad etiquette. K.

lol this guy gets it

Being a Mage has something to do with it too. Even though mage pets shred and are OP at lower levels the morons of this server still don't "want to play with casters" and have absolutely no interest in learning spell mechanics or how to play a caster (besides one that sits on their ass and CHs all day on the EZ ride to 60 and coattails their way into groups in hard Kunark dungeons when they are horrible at EQ) Few Mages on the server due to this idiocy, tons of clerics and Iksar monks due to this idiocy. Before Chardok AOE, there were very few 60 Wizards and Mages.

[waffel]

Saw some guys playing a pickup game at the public park basketball courts. I asked if I could join and they said no. What jerks!!

[Krule]

IMO the real problem is just that the server is too crowded.

My best advice is to avoid popular spots completely if you normally play during prime time.

Yes this is where the thread was won. Nice post Jolanar.

OP - it sounds like you rolled Blue. If you stated that somewhere and I missed it, sorry.

Regardless, roll Red and this all goes away. People will try and tell you that you'll get PK'ed for days. This is untrue. I didn't get PK'ed until mid 40's. Albeit I rolled an Iksar and there is much less PVP out there at lower levels.

The community feel your referencing is on Red not Blue. There is no poopsocking, even at high levels. For example last night I ran a CoM moat group (not a whiff of PVP) then rolled over to KC for a Verix group. I was given all the Jarsath that dropped and my guildie even sacrificed his own time to port me around after the group was over.

People that trash in Red got PK'ed once or twice and then quit. That could happen to you too but I promise there are far more cool people on Red than there are on Blue.

Oh and a guy that has PK'ed me 10 times in CoM (all fun in PVP) sold me a Canni 3 spell for waaaaaaaay under market value. I had been searching for days. Its a pvp server but we're all cool and like to help.

R99 so Goog.

[Itap]

Did you just compare a baby drowning to not getting a group invite from someone on a 16 year old emulated video game?

[Krule]

Did you just compare a baby drowning to not getting a group invite from someone on a 16 year old emulated video game?

Lmao he most certainly did.

[nhdjoseywales]

you come off as one entitled asshat. you would really ask the waitress to sit you with people you dont know in a restaurant instead of doing what 99 percent of normal fucking human beings would do and go the fuck someplace else? wow man, i dont even know what the fuck to say about that shit. that's like elite level lack of self awareness. the world is not about you, it never has been, never will be and you need to stop trying to insert yourself into other peoples lives whether they want you there or not.

[Chodan]

Some of the replies here make me wonder...

Anyway, you could always try red. People there are almost always looking for more (but you'll get the occasional twink ganker in the hot leveling spots - cb, mm, hhk, com). But, pvp range is 4 levels so with a few hours in a good group, you can out of range them.

[dafier]

OP - Forget P99 and past EQ experiences. It was good times and now it's time to move on.

Go play WoW.

[Zenren]

LOL... I literally have to laugh out loud reading some of these posts. The guys who were encouraging, understanding, and trying to help, you're what makes this game fun. The guys that attacked me because of this, you're the problem. Yes I compared not getting invited to a group with a baby drowning, because certain things are considered normal behavior.

I played basketball for years and the rule at the court (almost every court I've been to) is that you could play the game if there was a spot open, in fact if they were down a man, they were happy to have you. If both teams are full, then no, obviously you can't play. I've never been turned away for being too tall or too short. We turned one guy away because he fouled like crazy, but that's it.

Being decent shouldn't be optional to most people, it should be natural. Early on people didn't hide their sociopathology behind a computer screen. In EQ and UO, there were way more decent people than asses, these days the asses are everywhere. They really do effect the quality of the game.

On a high note, I did finally get in a group and the experience was slow, but it was fun and I finally dinged 24. I don't sit on my ass, I buff the tank with a fire shield and nuke when the mobs at 50%. I saved my group twice using my pet to tank adds, so it's not that I don't know how to play (or the other casters in my group the other night don't) it's just some people care more about themselves than their fellow man.

[dafier]

LOL... I literally have to laugh out loud reading some of these posts. The guys who were encouraging, understanding, and trying to help, you're what makes this game fun. The guys that attacked me because of this, you're the problem. Yes I compared not getting invited to a group with a baby drowning, because certain things are considered normal behavior.

I played basketball for years and the rule at the court (almost every court I've been to) is that you could play the game if there was a spot open, in fact if they were down a man, they were happy to have you. If both teams are full, then no, obviously you can't play. I've never been turned away for being too tall or too short. We turned one guy away because he fouled like crazy, but that's it.

Being decent shouldn't be optional to most people, it should be natural. Early on people didn't hide their sociopathology behind a computer screen. In EQ and UO, there were way more decent people than asses, these days the asses are everywhere. They really do effect the quality of the game.

On a high note, I did finally get in a group and the experience was slow, but it was fun and I finally dinged 24. I don't sit on my ass, I buff the tank with a fire shield and nuke when the mobs at 50%. I saved my group twice using my pet to tank adds, so it's not that I don't know how to play (or the other casters in my group the other night don't) it's just some people care more about themselves than their fellow man.


My joking is terrible at best.

Anyway, just push off the petty stuff people throw your way in game. It's extremely fun. Last effort is /ignore if you need it.

Funny about people PLing and such. There are a couple idiots/children in game who I've /ignored and every now and then I will remind myself who is on that short list then do a /who all. I never see them on. It's a person who started an alt, decided to be a bitch and not play their alt anymore. And, that works for me.

[nhdjoseywales]

because a player vs player game where players cover each other one on one is exactly the same as a player vs environment situation where they dont need anyone else to accomplish their goal.....again, you have no inherent right to join anyones group. if someone turns you away you get over it like a normal person and go elsewhere.

[nhdjoseywales]

dunno why this thread is bugging me so much but it is lol.

How do you know the people who turned you away werent saving the spot for a guildie or rl friend? i know my crew would turn you away if we knew one of our guys was due to log in soon.

perhaps you didnt make a good impression on the guy that turned you away when you grouped with him the night before. i would almost bet thats a big part of it. if you were awesome he would be foolish to not group you.

can you explain why you feel its another persons obligation to make sure you are enjoying your time in p99?

[Zenren]

BTW... An example of doucheness. I'm sitting at the gnoll camp in High Pass... I've cleared the camp, sitting down at the bottom of the ramp waiting for mana to come back so I can clear Grenix, go afk for a sec for coffee, someone comes in and takes him. Not naming names, but that's what I'm talking about. She said she didn't know I was camping him. I'm sitting 40 feet from him, how could you not know? There was no other boss nearby that dropped anything. So again this is the justification people use so they can behave like sociopaths and do do what they want.

[Zenren]

dunno why this thread is bugging me so much but it is lol.

How do you know the people who turned you away werent saving the spot for a guildie or rl friend? i know my crew would turn you away if we knew one of our guys was due to log in soon.

perhaps you didnt make a good impression on the guy that turned you away when you grouped with him the night before. i would almost bet thats a big part of it. if you were awesome he would be foolish to not group you.

can you explain why you feel its another persons obligation to make sure you are enjoying your time in p99?

The person said, and I qoute, "I don't want any casters." There were four melee and a cleric in the group. So, no, he wasn't saving the spot. And I think a lot of people are bothered because they do these things and justify these actions as being normal because other people they know do it. Well if you're in a band of thieves and you're a thief, that doesn't justify your behavior, just makes you believe it's okay because other people are behaving the same way you do.

[nhdjoseywales]

The person said, and I qoute, "I don't want any casters." There were four melee and a cleric in the group. So, no, he wasn't saving the spot. And I think a lot of people are bothered because they do these things and justify these actions as being normal because other people they know do it. Well if you're in a band of thieves and you're a thief, that doesn't justify your behavior, just makes you believe it's okay because other people are behaving the same way you do.

so because his preferred play style doesnt fit your needs, you post a rant about it? you must be incredibly pleasant to deal with in real life. again, why the fuck do you think anyone owes you a spot in their group?

[Tuljin]

The fact that this nub's group was four melees and a Cleric is enough to know that hes a complete bluebie broscience asshat and OP has every right to scratch his head and say "what the fuck is going on here??"

The thread is "not the same EQ" and he's absolutely right. This server is full of assholes, I'm pretty sure nobody can dispute that.

[Waedawen]

four melees and a Cleric

This shit right here can't be repeated enough. You can't have 4 fucking melees and a cleric in your group and then deny a mage from joining and then try to explain it away as if you were correct.

You're an idiot if you run your group like that. Plain as day. And you can even venture to say that you're an idiot if you SEEK to join that group, but clearly OP was just trying to do hoodrat stuff with some buddies, and I can absolutely respect that.

Too bad hat's a complete no-no on p99. Absolutely no fun allowed.

[Madbad]

No one is required to let you in their group.

He probably though you were lame when you guys grouped the day before and he didn't want to call you out.

That's the main reason I wouldn't invite someone to fill an empty group slot.

[burkemi5]

This shit right here can't be repeated enough. You can't have 4 fucking melees and a cleric in your group and then deny a mage from joining and then try to explain it away as if you were correct.

You're an idiot if you run your group like that. Plain as day. And you can even venture to say that you're an idiot if you SEEK to join that group, but clearly OP was just trying to do hoodrat stuff with some buddies, and I can absolutely respect that.

Too bad hat's a complete no-no on p99. Absolutely no fun allowed.

Four melee and a cleric at level 20 or whatever op was would be a sweet group. Four melee would kill things so quickly that there would be no need for nukes.

[chipz]

The funniest part, it's those same idiots who complain out luclin and pop taking out "social interaction" Fucking geeks.

[kremlar]

Four melee and a cleric at level 20 or whatever op was would be a sweet group. Four melee would kill things so quickly that there would be no need for nukes.

Those were always my favorite groups in the 20s. And it's doubly true here on p99 where most of the people you come across are twinked to all hell... unless you're an enchanter and bringing hastes and a charmed pet there isn't much a caster is going to add to a group like that.

[Rararboker]

As a wizard I can confirm this. I was mostly useless through those levels compared to even non-twinked melee. Mana is just too scarce.

[Jimjam]

I heard, apparently, my mate dave in the pub says, if you run gamparse at late 40s/early 50s there is a good chance a 49 necro pet will out melee dps rogue epic twinks.

Need more data for verification!

[kierra]

BTW... An example of doucheness. I'm sitting at the gnoll camp in High Pass... I've cleared the camp, sitting down at the bottom of the ramp waiting for mana to come back so I can clear Grenix, go afk for a sec for coffee, someone comes in and takes him. Not naming names, but that's what I'm talking about. She said she didn't know I was camping him. I'm sitting 40 feet from him, how could you not know? There was no other boss nearby that dropped anything. So again this is the justification people use so they can behave like sociopaths and do do what they want.


Interesting that you forget to mention that the person then handed you the PGT he dropped and apologized explaining that she was working on faction, then listened to you bitch in /ooc cause she was clearing a few gnolls to get a few scalps. that person also helped you later on when you over pulled and asked for help.

If that makes me a douche... so be it

[nhdjoseywales]

Four melee and a cleric at level 20 or whatever op was would be a sweet group. Four melee would kill things so quickly that there would be no need for nukes.

exactly.

[nhdjoseywales]

Interesting that you forget to mention that the person then handed you the PGT he dropped and apologized explaining that she was working on faction, then listened to you bitch in /ooc cause she was clearing a few gnolls to get a few scalps. that person also helped you later on when you over pulled and asked for help.

If that makes me a douche... so be it

so i nailed it and OP is a complete twatwaffle

[Tuljin]

So this whole four melee and a cleric group.....in Mistmoore.

There are nowhere near enough mobs for this group in Mistmoore. Not only that, there is a horrible XP split.

So you dont have enough mobs and the group is in mulch mode with four facerolling melees. The XP is split 5 ways instead of 2 or 3. The main concern of this group is "no casters" not "there's not enough mobs, we're facerolling, and we're not getting any XP"

Everyone in this thread now chiming in "how awesome this group is."

At this point, there are two types of EQ players - those who "get" this nubbery and those who "don't get" it.

OP is not a "twatwaffle" he has every right to be baffled by this. At the same time, OP should have instantly identified this as an example of hardcore nubs in Mistmoore and shouldn't have even bothered with them.

[kellwind19]

I have just started playing this game. I am a cleric and can NEVER find a group, maybe it is cause I already know where I want to hunt? no idea. I met a very nice druid that has helped me TONS and I have one RL (more or less) friend that gave me some plat to start. I didn't have to pay in RL money for it either.. I am now of a lvl where I am actually useful to a low lvl group and plan on grouping with my new friends warrior. He is a dwarf and we plan on starting out in qeynos are we are 16 and 22 so if anyone of a lvl wants to group with us come join the fun.

[tarkhis]

Haven't had this happen to me at all. I have some people I grouped with that when I log in now always ask if I want to join them wherever they are at. I have grouped with people twinked majorly and total newbies. I am social in group chat and play an enchanter pretty well I think so I hope I leave each group with a good impression.

The invites back to groups tell me I am doing ok. I have only been in one group where a player that joined us kept telling us not to invite soandso as their gear stunk or they didn't know how to play their class or their guild was all jerks etc. we ended up booting that guy and invited the noob who actually worked better with the group.

Some people will be elitest, some people nice, just have fun, represent yourself well and people will invite you back again and again.

[Bindolaf]

I've played a lot of EQ since 1999 and never has any group been required to pick up people. You could (and should) ask to join, but you should also accept the answer "no". Camps, that's a big debate... remember when there were so many camps in a zone and anyone who took 2 or more was an a-cavity? Probably still holds. As for "you probably suck", I can see that argument, but: Hasn't it always been the sacred duty of advanced players to teach and help newer ones? Let's all get along :)

[Zenren]

Interesting that you forget to mention that the person then handed you the PGT he dropped and apologized explaining that she was working on faction, then listened to you bitch in /ooc cause she was clearing a few gnolls to get a few scalps. that person also helped you later on when you over pulled and asked for help.

If that makes me a douche... so be it

LOL... not you Kiera, this happened yesterday. You were there the day before and yes, when I said I was camping you gave me the Tomahawk, but nice of you to call me out on something I wasn't talking about and if I remember I said I would stick to the top and you could clear the bottom. Thought that I was being nice but oh well.

[kierra]

LOL... not you Kiera, this happened yesterday. You were there the day before and yes, when I said I was camping you gave me the Tomahawk, but nice of you to call me out on something I wasn't talking about and if I remember I said I would stick to the top and you could clear the bottom. Thought that I was being nice but oh well.

my mistake then =) no hard feelings.

[nyctasha]

From a perspective of someone who is completely new to EQ, I can promise you it's better than in about any other mmo currently in existence. Values people in EQ still seem to hold, died long ago and aren't present anywhere except maybe in just a couple odd indie game comunities and that's it. There are few frustrating things that could be considered negative (constant camping in places and unwillingness to share from what I've seen so far) I might be frustrated for a day having awfully hard time finding a couple undeads as a cleric that wouldn't be taken by non- clerics that could surely level anywhere else, unlike me. Or having a hard time grouping up at levels 8-9, because at this level, noone really needs me and people rarely care about you unless they need you themselves. But then, random persons kindness just makes up for it and makes me realize how alive and vibrant the community makes this game feel. Stranger helping me retrieve my corpse my second day in EQ, while I chaotically explored Freeport as dark elf and wandered into places I shouldn't have and then randomly trading me plat to help me get by. Or that kind person yesterday that ran by me offering me a robe (for cleric,with stats, amazing!)he got himself when he was starting out, by someone else. Robe that I wouldn't get on my own anytime soon, that's for sure. Or people oferring to join me up in leveling, even if it never worked out so far, since everyone just outlevels me so fast and I wish it would. Honestly, where else do you find these things?

[Zenren]

my mistake then =) no hard feelings.

No hard feelings. I've actually found a lot of people willing to help the last few days. It's been nice.

[DarkwingDuck]

We need a server wipe.

Aside from that, avoid the most popular places if this become s a problem, most likely anyone that's "an asshat" or "elitist" they will be in those zones. Also many nice and great people.
I find the jerks to be the minority. I also have 17 characters.. And sometimes it's impossible to find a group...
Ill log on 3 chars, check lfg and friends list, and I'll log, not gonna spend my couple of gaming hours LFG...
Hop on Witcher, or another ps4 game, and try my luck next time .

On an unrelated note... I Miss Vanguard.

[Zenren]

So an update... I tried to level an alt in Unrest today and the first time I get a group going, but we have to disband because a 60th shows up and decides to power level someone and two other Twinks in Fungi Scale Vests decide to solo the other mobs. I log off, go take a break and come back and what do I find? Three PLing groups taking the whole courtyard so no one can even form a group. This is not the old EQ and if it is, this crap needs to stop because that wasn't the spirit of old EQ. We have lots of new players coming back, so what? The entitled 60s are going to take over and PL their buddies? What about the new people not twinked who can't solo camps? Screw them, because they haven't been playing for a year? This is BS plain and simple and something really should be done. There's a difference between camping a mob for a drop and taking over a dungeon so you can PL a select few people.

[FatMice]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/195388.jpg

Lol'd.

[Zenren]

Lol'd.

It's the internet so you can do whatever you like, because no one knows who you are? This is where the sociopaths come out of hiding and the rest of us, because we don't want to get involved or are afraid we'll be targeted shut up and let it happen. This whole, the strong rule the weak crap shouldn't be a part of our social and cultural identity, but these kinds of things show it's alive and well in the world, especially in Antonica.

[Zenren]

To be honest, I had a bit of a meltdown today because I keep running into this kind of BS. I'm not twinked, I can't sit at a camp alone and kill mobs over and over. I have to kill a mob, sit down, rest for a few minutes, go kill another mob, etc. So people who tell me to solo probably have advanced in the game well enough that they forget what it was like when they didn't have level 50 gear on their alts. I also understand that complaining about what's considered a social norm really isn't going to change anything. Until people see that this is wrong and selfish, then nothing I say will change anything. With that said, I'm taking a break for awhile.

[Madbad]

Only one way to win at Everquest...

[Jimjam]

Only one way to win at Everquest...

is not to play?

gotta feel sorry for the nerds that love playing eq :D

[Madbad]

it's a sickness

[Riotgirl]

OP, I sympathise with your latter post re: PLving douche behaviour. This is one of many reasons I *hate* PLving with a passion (although I understand the reasons for doing so). We are playing on a mature server, which has benefits and also trade-offs. One of the latter is that some players want to get to end game quickly - hence PLving.

Number of options presents themselves: do your own thing in CY and try to form a group, try another zone, and think of altering your play time for certain zones.

Personally I'd spend 15 mins on toughing it out since I'd spent time getting to Unrest. Then I'd head elsewhere if things were not working out.

Have you considered joining a levelling guild to assist in grouping? What about forming your own group in EC / appropriate zone then heading somewhere off the beaten path (Najena)?

I do feel your pain with some of the behaviour displayed by PLvers. That said, you cannot claim a *whole* zone so try and stick it out, explain your predicament in /OOC, get screen-shots and begin your young lawyer career in /petitionquest.

What time-zone do you play?

[Ahtex]

My friends and I are in the same boat as OP. We spent 5 minutes in the CY at a level appropriate 13 or 14? (cant remember exactly). Watched a group pull the first floor and the courtyard... and decided to leave. Despite boating across for nostalgia to get there, we ran the the BB Ring and pleaded with the first druid we saw to take us back to Antonica... She didn't even hesitate, even went as far to apologize for the bad camping (as if she was responsible) and suggest alternatives....

In one night, we saw the good the bad, and the ugly... but as another poster says the good is far better than what you'll find on every other MMO out there. Community here is pretty fantastic considering.

[nhdjoseywales]

So an update... I tried to level an alt in Unrest today and the first time I get a group going, but we have to disband because a 60th shows up and decides to power level someone and two other Twinks in Fungi Scale Vests decide to solo the other mobs. I log off, go take a break and come back and what do I find? Three PLing groups taking the whole courtyard so no one can even form a group. This is not the old EQ and if it is, this crap needs to stop because that wasn't the spirit of old EQ. We have lots of new players coming back, so what? The entitled 60s are going to take over and PL their buddies? What about the new people not twinked who can't solo camps? Screw them, because they haven't been playing for a year? This is BS plain and simple and something really should be done. There's a difference between camping a mob for a drop and taking over a dungeon so you can PL a select few people.

Everyone else on the server should totally change what they are doing to accommodate you, because that's absolutely reasonable and totally how the world in general works.

[Zenren]

Everyone else on the server should totally change what they are doing to accommodate you, because that's absolutely reasonable and totally how the world in general works.

I wasn't the only one that experienced this. As another person said they had gone through the same thing. New players can't find camps, because people who are 50th are powerleveling their guildmates alts. We have distinct rules on who can do what in raids, making sure each guild has a chance to accomplish something, but we don't have any rules regarding how people can camp in normal camps. We don't say, hey if you're 50th you need to not be PLing one person when a group is trying to find a place to level, but rather, you've the game the longest, do whatever you want. I'm pretty sure this was allowed in EQ, but that doesn't mean we can't change these rules. The people who do these things, they don't care about public opinion, more often than not they're from one of the same guilds and their only concern is getting that buddy to raiding level asap.

[Fame]

Get a hair cut and a real job you parasite.

Fuckin hippies

[nhdjoseywales]

I wasn't the only one that experienced this. As another person said they had gone through the same thing. New players can't find camps, because people who are 50th are powerleveling their guildmates alts. We have distinct rules on who can do what in raids, making sure each guild has a chance to accomplish something, but we don't have any rules regarding how people can camp in normal camps. We don't say, hey if you're 50th you need to not be PLing one person when a group is trying to find a place to level, but rather, you've the game the longest, do whatever you want. I'm pretty sure this was allowed in EQ, but that doesn't mean we can't change these rules. The people who do these things, they don't care about public opinion, more often than not they're from one of the same guilds and their only concern is getting that buddy to raiding level asap.

Then the obvious solution is go elsewhere. A server that has been stagnant for several years is not the place to play if you dont want to run into twinks and people powerleveling. There are numerous other eq emu servers out there im sure one of them will fit your needs. To come here and bitch that the server is what it is and not your idealized fantasy is pretty lame. If you think lowbie zones are bad, then you have zero clue what a shit-show it can be at higher levels and you wont be able to hang. Best leave now and not waste further time. You either accept the server for what it is and love it or get the fuck out.

[FatMice]

Is this a troll? I mean the OP account was made a year ago. Surely by now, the OP understands the nerd capabilities on this server.

[Jimjam]

OP should move to a timezone about 7 hours earlier than his current one.

Most jerkery happens during American prime time (which I assume is due to the highest volume of players, not due to any innate jerkiness of americans)!

[Zenren]

FatMice- Not trolling I played for a couple weeks when I created this account to play with some friends, they left for another game and I followed. Got the idea to come back and decided to stay. This is reflective of my experience since I've come back. (BTW I quit the game when I got trained repeatedly in Upper Guk in the Heart Spider room by a monk that would FD when he entered.)

[Grivyn]

Personally as a new roll on this server I've found unrest and MM in particular to be a waste of time. Full of p/lers and twinks for the most part so myself and a friend duo have basically leveled from 19-30 in uprguk and now moving on to lwrguk. Having said that most twinks we have grouped have been great and sped things up considerably, but we rolled up mainly to relive the guks again so I may have a distinct rose coloured view of them as dungeons to point where i've told my leveling partner should I suggest leaving the guks again to slap me silly.

[burkemi5]

You need to go back to the Freeport area, there's far more places for you to camp, especially in the mid teens to 20s.

Obviously it's lame that someone was PLing where you wanted to group. It happens. Earlier today I was in KC and people were trying to solo a few spawns that were typically pulled by the group (lcy) I was in. At one point, the person soloing pulled too many and trained us. Crap like that happens in every zone at every level. Its annoying but it's part of Eq, just like someone PLing an alt in a popular zone is. I saw that many times on live back in the day.

[stormlord]

I'll admit when I was playing on live later in my playing career I sometimes would be playing a twink and didn't want to invite others because it'd slow down my experience, since they weren't twinks. Most of the time I just stayed silent and went my own way, so it was ok. But there was once in BOT when I declined a warrior or some gnome/halfling and he NEVER forgave me. I tried and tried to make it up to him, but he was stoic. I came to realize he was a jerk or at least as bad as anybody. The odd thing is I've given my fair share of friendliness and helpfulness to others. When I played on p1999, I never levelled past 23. I played with noobs constantly and you wouldn't ever knew that I had ever played selfishly. My point is just because someone plays selfishly doesn't mean they can't be friendly or never will be friendly again. Don't let one bad day or some bad behaviour by someone let that tarnish the rest of their character. If you're going to do that you must claim to be perfect and never yourself act selfishly?

EQ wasn't and never will be perfect. I don't know of a single mmo which can make up for human nature without completely making it single player. When you play EQ you should keep in mind you're entering an open place where good things and bad things will happen more frequently than the norm. That's the expectation you should have. It's a rocky bump road in EQ. As in anything, you will appreciate the good moments more because you had to experience some bad ones.

Please note I played a ranger when I played in 1999 and played a ranger up until 2010. I also played a paladin up to 65. So I was turned away by many groups in my time and judged as deficient. So don't think for a moment I don't know hte feeling. I suffered many setbacks and tough experience droughts. But I was stubborn. It was a challenge. It made me appreciate more how classes can offer different things which we might not appreciate. Classes in EQ really required you to play them to know them. Perhaps that was a source of a lot of the discrimination. I do think people tend to only play deeply a few classes.

[Clark]

Take a deep breath.

Thicken your skin. Don't be so easily flustered.

[Riotgirl]

Spent last two evenings in Unrest: yesterday was full of on the level groups in the CY, so all YT dead. Managed half a level before I went elsewhere. Quiet in /ooc but perfectly civil.

Earlier this evening, there was a bunch of teen players and we grouped in left corner of CY pulling YT: Bard, Cleric, Druid, Ranger, Shaman and myself [Chanter]. Then we moved inside to BR and MR. People levelled, chatted, had fun, FUBARed their UI and hotkeys (that would be me =/), and the only slight sour point was a mis-communication that resulted in a few deaths in the MR. All in all, a pleasant and enjoyable PUG experience in one of my favourite zones.

Had a few higher level players come over to babysit, buff, etc during our sojourn in Unrest. I have to say that my Unrest experience has been night and day to some of the negative ones experienced in this thread.

Special shout out to Loudness [Bard], single-handedly dismantling P99 Bard myths, by training mobs away from the group and to the zone line (calling out the train in /ooc) during an over-pull.

[Hailto]

The restaurant is full, you're sitting alone at a table for six. A couple asks if you mind if they sit at the table, do you say no?

I would say no, that's really fucking weird.

[Beckoning]

Just plow through it to the original poster. It's not worth reading into people's motivation or trying to get them to bend to your will. Just stick with it and you'll be up there in no time. Most important part is that you don't adopt their attitude and you stick to your guns and promote that when you have the opportunity to.

[Slave35]

To be honest, I had a bit of a meltdown today because I keep running into this kind of BS. I'm not twinked, I can't sit at a camp alone and kill mobs over and over. I have to kill a mob, sit down, rest for a few minutes, go kill another mob, etc. So people who tell me to solo probably have advanced in the game well enough that they forget what it was like when they didn't have level 50 gear on their alts. I also understand that complaining about what's considered a social norm really isn't going to change anything. Until people see that this is wrong and selfish, then nothing I say will change anything. With that said, I'm taking a break for awhile.

Gotta tell you... if you think you need gear to play a mage, and you have to rest a few minutes after every kill, you're just not playing the class to its potential. You might not know how, or think you're not good enough to do it, but the end result is that you're kind of a bad mage if this is how you're playing. You literally need 1 item until level 54... Torch of Alna.

[Pscottdai]

I would say no, that's really fucking weird.

You would never cut it living in Asia :)

[Beckoning]

The AFK grind in this game is very real though so you should embrace it. Before I got a luminescent staff I was doing a quad kite and then meditating until full mana, which sure took a while. Once I returned it took a while to round up some mobs and rinse and repeat. It gave me a lot of down time to read, pay bills and take care of menial stuff we all have to do. It can be frustrating when you are level X and you need the mobs at a certain spot. I felt that way with spirocs periodically, but you can always find something else to do or work on if someone is hogging them. This game isn't for the weak of heart though, so just stick to it!

P.S. I made it to 49 with patchwork leather armor I bought off a vendor for a few pp. Twinking a caster with +INT items gives you more mana but more downtime. It doesn't do much to help you kill mobs faster or more efficiently.

[Erazmus]

Kind of skimming over the thread. Basically you need a good guild. The process is this, Log on, then say:

"/guild Anyone use a level X mage in their group, or want to start one somewhere?"

Most guilds will also have member forums where you can post and setup a timeframe for you to group with members.

This will save you tons of time, build relationships, and guilds will typically help their own. I've already given out quite a few quality items to guildies I've grouped with the past few days. The guild is full of very nice solid members in my alts (now my main) level range.

Anyway, best of luck.

[Frudrura]

With the initial post, I agree. Shit, is stupid. I feel that there are probably some more out of the way zones to go PL your guildmates where you won't bother people. Dalnir, Nurga, Kaesora, Droga, all kunark dungeons which are basically empty. Shit, kedge keep (throw on a fishbone earring). Instead, people do it in the popular xp places. What are we gonna do?

Honestly, if people don't have the decency to respect the needs of players that aren't already established on this server to the point where they have friends that PL them or are geared to shit...

Free servers tend to attract a lot of shit (as in people) when at the same time, a paid server probably wouldn't happen, and if it did, they would be maximizing profits with pay to win shit. Either way, shit is going to be retarded.

[Kowalski]

Life isn't fair. You'd do it too if you could. Can't find a group? Level up an alt.