The Box Test

[mach7]

Hi all,
Due to a recent trade deal with my wife, I have convinced her to play a druid for me. Now actually playing a character in EQ is pretty simple and she can easily move the character around and press 1 - 8 to cast spells when she realises or I ask her to but... Will she able to perform actions for a box test? She doesn't run around a lot, she is a druid so mostly sits until buffs or heals are needed and it looks a little like a boxed character.

Am I likely to run into trouble? If our son cries and she or I have to duck out to attend for 5mins or so, is it best to log the character out or is that ok? Is there an upper limit on how long an afk can be?

Has anyone else played with a person that doesn't find computer games easy and worried about the same things.

I love P99 and absolutely agree with the boxing rule but with my brother playing and my wife agreeing to give it a go, I don't want to get 3 accounts banned just because my wife's last having experiment was mickey mouse's magical adventure... Which she found tough :)

Sorry about the wall and thanks for the help.

Cheers
Matt

[mach7]

Just to be clear, I'm not asking for specifics in an attempt to circumvent them.

Just, is the test ready for s non-gamer?

Is there a discussion if someone turns up to test, so we can explain the situation and work out a test that will work for both parties?

[Madbad]

1 player, 1 computer at all times.

Baby's crying? Log out or you will likely be the one crying.

[Recusco]

1 player, 1 computer at all times.

Baby's crying? Log out or you will likely be the one crying.

This. If your wife has to walk away from the computer she should immediately sit, /camp and then she can log back in when she gets back.

[Rayzor84]

Ask forsaken how to box without getting caught.

[Secrets]

Simply put, P99 staff won't reveal their methods for determining boxes because it poses a security risk to disclose that information. If everyone knew how to get around it, everyone would be boxing.

[Swish]

I always wonder if these are legit posts or whether its something made so that when caught they can point and say "but look, I made a thread last month, I'm innocent!" :p

You live with your wife and brother? Who am I to judge? ;)

Oh, the brother just likes looking at auction spam in EC does he? I see.


Good luck OP, stay on the straight and narrow.

[jarshale]

Just make sure to log out if afk for even a sec, or you can and will get banned.

[Fame]

flag op account and put on watch

[mach7]

My brother lives in another state.

Not sure how two people would play one computer. Thought it would be assumed everyone has their own ip address and computer.

Just mentioned because if we all group and something happens I imagine it will be all accounts banned.

Once again not asking for specifics just wanted to hear "yes it is easy but impossible for one person to do." Or "it is much harder than actually playing EQ and someone not proficient with computers should not attempt it."

Would love some of the help and understanding I see in the rather than common forum snipes. No accusations but if you are going to comment on the legitimacy of my question rather than the substance I would probably prefer not to have my integrity attacked.

Thanks.

[Swish]

You only need the exemption if you're playing off the same IP address.... IP exemption etc.

Over the months/years we've seen it all here. People come up with all kinds of stuff.

[iruinedyourday]

Tam's story during the last sirkencast was pretty funny...

Apperently for the non gamer, it can be difficult to pass :D

[mach7]

I really do appreciate that you guys just want to keep the server free from the boxing plague. I also understand that if you all weren't so passionate about it, that it would happen and people might turn a blind eye.

I'm not interested in boxing, I have enough trouble keeping one character alive and geared. Just want to get some more play time by involving the wife and making it a group activity.

[Swish]

I have enough trouble keeping one character alive and geared.

hehe, I can relate :D

Simply put you just need to apply for an exemption for the accounts that are playing off the same connection.

Then if either of you afk just camp to the character select til you get back just to be safe.

I think the golden rule is not to log one in to buff the other one while solo, seen a few stories about people getting caught with it.

Sorry for coming across the way I did... and good luck with it :)

[Putts01]

Just had my wife start playing and she can barely walk in a straight line. I'm a little paranoid myself but it is either incorporate her or never ever have time to play. Also anyone want to hook me and my wife up with some gear? I have a 2warrior bunkerbeard and she plays a 2 druid starlyte.:):):)

[Bboboo]

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[Rararboker]

Between this post.

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and this post.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

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You have been killin' it lately with .gif's. Good job!

[Kushie]

If you have to ask you're going to have a bad time

[BulletCatcher]

I imagine some of the tests (that aren't administered to the player) have to do with reading player input (they own the server) and looking for patterns or very specific movements. People don't make patterns when playing, computers are really good at repeating things. But honestly, your wife isn't playing with you if she is sitting there and clicking one button once in a few moments. Even if that is the case, for the greater good of the server, that type of behavior may be considered suspect.

Just don't do it, or do do it and get banned. either way I'm still eating breakfast.

[mach7]

Sort of agree... But throw a key logger on a lowbie warrior and see what you get. Once parked you'll have a few keystrokes every now and then, same for healer, same for magician. Maybe Bard is harder, but, seriously, EQ is a button every minute or so. I am playing right now. Charmed Gorge hound fighting a griffawn.

[webrunner5]

You only need the exemption if you're playing off the same IP address.... IP exemption etc.

Over the months/years we've seen it all here. People come up with all kinds of stuff.

There is your answer. :)

[myriverse]

My brother lives in another state.

Not sure how two people would play one computer. Thought it would be assumed everyone has their own ip address and computer.
IP Addresses are not unique per individual. They're unique per internet connection.

Your brother has nothing to worry about when it comes to IP Address and boxing, since he's playing from a different state. If he's visiting you (or vice versa) this could becoming a problem down the line. Your wife will likely be sharing your IP Address, since you're likely using the same internet connection.

The point of "1 person, 1 computer" is advising against 1 person manning multiple computers, not multiple people on one computer.

[waffel]

If you're worried about same IPs in the same house just tether one device to your phone. The game uses such little bandwidth.

[Tiewon Shu]

Or just buy another modem and another router, IP conflict problem solved. :D

[ludovician]

Congrats on getting your wife to play, but man... to me it sounds like you're going to plop a laptop onto her lap and tell her when to push buttons as you play.

Passing GM Boxing tests on the last EMU game I played required things like running in opposite direction circles and figure 8s. It was nothing requiring superhuman skills, just things you couldn't do at the same time on two clients.

[mach7]

Yeah, I don't share an IP address with anyone, nor does my wife.

I think this thread has probably told me and everyone else all we/they need to know. That being, there is nothing anyone can help with and I am better off playing less and not trying to involve anyone else.

Thanks for the attempts at help, I do appreciate them.

For what it is worth, I think that because Nilbog,Sirken Rogean et al. are unpaid they have to have a ban first first ask questions later attitude. It is, undoubtedly, best for the server but I wonder what is lost because we (well at least myself and one other) have to worry about such things. If they had a revenue stream and could devote more time, who knows what we might have.

Thanks again everyone, hope to see you in game.

[Champion_Standing]

You aren't gong to get banned if there are actually two of you playing. I have a friend who plays with his wife and neither of them are really gamers, both keyboard turning casuals. They got tested and passed.

"my wife just got up to take care of the baby" is one of the most common excuses when people get caught boxing according to whatever gm was on one of sirkens recent streams.

[Robbintha Hood]

If its you and your wife, you'll both pass. If its just you, you're accounts are getting the banned. Good luck.

[nhdjoseywales]

Yeah, I don't share an IP address with anyone, nor does my wife.

I think this thread has probably told me and everyone else all we/they need to know. That being, there is nothing anyone can help with and I am better off playing less and not trying to involve anyone else.

Thanks for the attempts at help, I do appreciate them.

For what it is worth, I think that because Nilbog,Sirken Rogean et al. are unpaid they have to have a ban first first ask questions later attitude. It is, undoubtedly, best for the server but I wonder what is lost because we (well at least myself and one other) have to worry about such things. If they had a revenue stream and could devote more time, who knows what we might have.

Thanks again everyone, hope to see you in game.

unless you have multiple dedicated internet connections or pay for multiple ip addresses from your provider yes you do share the IP

[mach7]

We don't even share an ISP, I think it is very unlikely we share an IP address. In fact, if we get banned for sharing an IP address, one of our ISPs has a lot of explaining to do.

We both have fibre connections provided by our respective businesses. Seriously, no joke, I would know if we shared an external IP.

[Madbad]

You shouldn't need an exemption then, box away!

[DarkwingDuck]

I came across this problem personally .
Got my wife to play with me, she loves mario kart 8, and mario party 10, aside from that is a noob of noobs.
So her and I are grouped with some peeps at like oasis or something .
I figure meh seems like a cool bunch of people, so I log my epic cleric , buff the group, then back to my char , then someone in group dies I log the cleric and epic Rez him and rebuff group. (Keep in mind gf is still on her char) she really sucks hehe.
Anyways someone in my group petitioned that I was probably boxing... First of all what a fucking asshole, I just took my time and peridots to buff you and epic Rez you, then we get teleported by GM, and have to run backwards figure 8's around opposite random trees.. She did ok, but the GM was wondering why that person sucks lol.. Anyways we passed, ... Needless to say I ditched that group, them now losing their healer and main dps, cause they wanted to be pussies, and I got my RL Druid buddy to PL us for a couple hours, leaving the group behind a couple levels.

Food for thought , everyone's not hardcore, some people suck hehe, don't be a dick. I agree with no boxing, but don't be a bitch.

I'm still playing to this day.. She is not, couldn't get into it, and felt the people were ungrateful assholes hehe

[chipz]

"my wife just got up to take care of the baby" is one of the most common excuses when people get caught boxing according to whatever gm was on one of sirkens recent streams.

I actually could see that being a good reason. I play all the time while taking care of the baby and randomly get up for extended periods.

[mach7]

Well you know sometimes you have days like that with a baby/kid. They sleep unsettled or whatever. If it is just me playing solo,I will often fight a mob, throw breeze or haste or whatever on anyone near then go afk while mana regens.

I suppose it depends what class you are, if you are a warrior, no one is going to accuse you of boxing, no matter how long you go afk for, but a druid or shaman might have more issues. Being AFK shouldn't be a bannable offence, if you are caught moving/casting buffs and try and claim you were afk then I can see the reasons.

That being said, it is not a paid server, we have what rights we are allocated by management, not consumer affairs. It is a fine line and, obviously, they feel it is better to ban the occasional innocent rather than let boxing run rampant. I can see the point and if boxing were let to go crazy we would all complain that something had to be done.

I sure my wife could run figure 8's around a couple of trees while I did the same or performed some other task. So I feel better about it.