Does Sneak/Hide work vs. everything?

[deadreaver777]

Hello everyone,

I'm curious if Sneak/Hide works against every creature in the game. Can I confidently roam the lands or crawl through any dungeon in Norrath without having to con things to see if they can see me, or can certain monsters/NPC's see through?

[Nayuri]

Whatever that sees invis will see you. With time you will learn to consider around some places, specially if there are caster mobs.

[Samoht]

Sneak will work against anything if you're standing in the rear arch.

[Mentathiel]

Whatever that sees invis will see you. With time you will learn to consider around some places, specially if there are caster mobs.
Nope...

Go into Sol A with an invisible caster and watch how you can hide/sneak through the zone, but they get caught every thirty seconds. There are specific mobs who can see through hide, far fewer than there are see-invisible mobs, but sneaking may still be effective as long as you stay behind these mobs.

That is, unless something changed in a recent patch...

[mr_jon3s]

I remember on classic you used to be able to hide/sneak past everything but the dragons. Now on here I don't know.

[Mentathiel]

I've never tried the dragons, but I took a level 10 rogue into Chardok and most of the way through it until I met a Chokidai Mangler. Even then, I got quite close before it aggroed (maybe I had been keeping to the rear 270-degree arc instinctively) and killed me in a single hit.

To be fair, you can /con the mobs to see if they will aggro. You may have to drop sneak for a moment, but the game will tell you if a mob is aware of you long before you enter aggro range.

The only mob to watch out for while you learn the ropes, the first experience many players will have of a mob which sees through hide, would be the Royal Guards in Crushbone; they are invisible too, meaning that they tend to see you before you see them and attack in pairs. Worse, they hide in the tunnel up to the throne room, so they will often drag some high-level (compared to the level of players in Crushbone) mobs onto your head.

[Adcid]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Sneak
Sneak will let you get past see-invisible mobs as long as you stay behind them.

Undead can not see through hide-sneak, unlike basic invisible. Hide-sneak is treated as Invisible+IVU.

[Mentathiel]

I am 99% sure that the wiki is wrong; I have walked right past the nose of many mobs with see invis. The ones who can see hidden will have a reduced aggro range, but See Invisible was not enough to penetrate Hide back in March and the patch notes don't say anything about 'fixing' Hide.

Check the wiki for mobs marked see hide for the ones you need to sneak behind. Feel free to avoid the ones marked See Invisible, but I don't believe there will be any issues and I will go confirm that later...

Edit: The discussion page for Sneak in the wiki admits that it is copy-pasted and may not apply to P1999...

[Skew]

Sneak/hide was changed in a patch about 6 months ago to be effective like classic. Can't recall the last time I was seen in Seb/Hate/VP etc ( previously Rogues were worse than Monks -and no better than any class with sneak plus an invis ring- at CR/scouting due to the way rogue hide was broken)

[Colgate]

nothing in the game will see you if you are sneaking behind them

most mobs in the game can't see through sneak/hide at all

dragons, dogs in chardok, and a few plane of hate mobs are the only ones that come to mind who can

[Mentathiel]

Well, >this thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173946)< features rogues saying how great sneak suddenly got six months ago, which confirms Colgate's assertion.

[fastboy21]

nothing in the game will see you if you are sneaking behind them

most mobs in the game can't see through sneak/hide at all

dragons, dogs in chardok, and a few plane of hate mobs are the only ones that come to mind who can

some goos in HS.

[kierra]

very few mobs can see through sneak/hide goos in HS shouldnt from what i remember from classic. spent alot of time in HS back in the day. I also dont remember spite golums in hate being able to see through either. (kinda sketchy on that though)

some dogs in chardok yes, few spiders in velks lab can (mainly up near velkator himself)

gods do. dragons did not.

[fastboy21]

Its been changed a few times on p99. Its current form, comparatively to other times on p99, is pretty good for rogues.

I assume its mostly an issue of most of the evidence for what did/did not see thru rogue hide is very anecdotal.

Nothing in the game sees thru sneak.

[Monty405]

Dont get confused with post-classic 'shroud of stealth' AA. That basically beefed up hide even further where pretty much nothing saw you.

[kierra]

Dont get confused with post-classic 'shroud of stealth' AA. That basically beefed up hide even further where pretty much nothing saw you.




Ahh right i had forgotten about that AA, probably why i remember things differently.

[Colgate]

yeah i know in kunark, currently, dragons see through rogue sneak/hide if you're in front of them

but i'm pretty sure the dragons in temple of veeshan aren't supposed to see a rogue who has sneak/hide on at all unless he's dragging a corpse

[webrunner5]

I don't think Rogues are able to do what they did in early live on P1999. On group wipes live they could drag corpses out of about anywhere deep into a zone and make it happen over and over for the whole group dragging bodies.

Good luck having that happen on here anymore with that nerf 6 months ago. A Rogue to me is just gimped on here and not much better than a DE anything any more. :o

[kierra]

Rogues can do a lot more here then they could do early on live. At the start there was no sneak/hide. you could either sneak, or you could hide, not both. Back then we could also backstab for 1 point of damage. Rogues here are not gimp, trust me on that.

[Man0warr]

Undead in Hate and Evil Eyes should definitely see through Sneak/Hide, not sure if they do on this server though.

[Mentathiel]

Evil Eyes in Runnyeye definitely do. I have been chased out (blind) by them since the December update...

[kilmoll]

undead in Hate did not see thru sneak/hide....at least not while I was doing epic on live before the awful moon cat expansion

[ezri]

is there any way to sneak/hide on a bard?

[evilkorn]

Sneak and Hide are bard skills. Only Rogues can use them and still move.

[Mentathiel]

There are a few ways of getting both hide and sneak, especially since halflings, dark-elves and wood-elves get one or both skills, but only rogues can use them to move both unseen and unheard. That means no stalking elven rangers, no sneaky bards, no curiously-stealthy halfling warriors...