Chardok

[Spyder73]

How far would 30k take me at 57. Would I even get an entire level? Never done proxy before and not sure how it works exactly, seen it a few time going to Royals is about it.

[Sampten]

Depending on group makeup, number of mobs pulled, you would see 8-10%+ a pull. So you'd easily level from 57 to 58.

[Swish]

Buys 15 pulls, but chat with the person selling the proxy... they might give you a better deal than 2k per pull.

[maurilax]

51-52 5pulls
52-53 5pulls
53-54 5pulls
54-55 11pulls
55-56 9pulls
55-57 9pulls
57-58 9pulls
58-59 14pulls

this is from my experience leveling a few characters through Chardok. +/- 1 or 2 on each level depending on race/class and group comp. I think this was for a erudite wizard

[Destron]

Chardok AE Leveling is bad for the server. Discuss.

[Archistopheles]

Chardok AE Leveling is bad for the server. Discuss.

If I wanted to level quickly, I would play any of the other mindless mmos out there.

[Cecily]

Chardok AE Leveling is bad for the server.

[Champion_Standing]

And u guys say u play EQ for the challenge

[Bill Tetley]

Chardok AE Leveling is bad for the server.

[Daldaen]

And u guys say u play EQ for the challenge

Not sure what's more of a challenge.

Doing 1-2mobs at a time in a group of 6 in KC or Seb...

Or getting a puller to correctly setup a pull, a cleric to correctly heal and DA on time, Enchanter's to hold and cycle their stuns for 3-4minutes and DPS to kill it before going OOM

Getting 1 pull to function correctly requires everyone participating to do their role correctly and any failures like a sitting enchanter or an interrupted stun could wipe your group...

OR

Keep single pulling mobs in KC to your group of 6 level 50s...

Perhaps you are referring to the challenge of not getting bored/losing interest from how slow those groups get exp though?

[Raev]

OR

buying proxy and doing nothing more than AFK

[kremlar]

Chardok AE Leveling is bad for the server. Discuss.

This thread was in danger of being a simple, boring exchange of useful information.

Glad somebody fixed that problem.

[Champion_Standing]

Not sure what's more of a challenge.

Doing 1-2mobs at a time in a group of 6 in KC or Seb...

Or getting a puller to correctly setup a pull, a cleric to correctly heal and DA on time, Enchanter's to hold and cycle their stuns for 3-4minutes and DPS to kill it before going OOM

Getting 1 pull to function correctly requires everyone participating to do their role correctly and any failures like a sitting enchanter or an interrupted stun could wipe your group...

OR

Keep single pulling mobs in KC to your group of 6 level 50s...

Perhaps you are referring to the challenge of not getting bored/losing interest from how slow those groups get exp though?

Oh so people pay all that plat to do all that work huh? Damn that really sounds like a rip off.

[Bboboo]

Hey its either complete afk in Chardok or borderline afk in seb, take your pick.

[Duncon]

Hey its either complete afk in Chardok or borderline afk in seb, take your pick.

Why play at all?

[Swish]

Not sure what's more of a challenge.

Doing 1-2mobs at a time in a group of 6 in KC or Seb...

Or getting a puller to correctly setup a pull, a cleric to correctly heal and DA on time, Enchanter's to hold and cycle their stuns for 3-4minutes and DPS to kill it before going OOM

Getting 1 pull to function correctly requires everyone participating to do their role correctly and any failures like a sitting enchanter or an interrupted stun could wipe your group...

OR

Keep single pulling mobs in KC to your group of 6 level 50s...

Perhaps you are referring to the challenge of not getting bored/losing interest from how slow those groups get exp though?

Chardok AOE apologist ^^

[Rararboker]

The following is meant for humor. I was going to post it alone but I don't think a lot of people on the forums will understand what it is and will end up taking me seriously.


What the fuck did you just fucking say about Chardok AOE groups, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Chardok Academy, and I’ve been involved in numerous chardok AOE groups, and I have over 300k confirmed kills. I am trained in AoE warfare and I’m the top wizard in the entire p99 server. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe your group the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on Norrath, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me and mine over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the p99 forums and your account is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm of packets, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your computer. You’re fucking slain, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my staff. Not only am I extensively trained in wizard combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the entire guild of Wizards and I will use it to its fullest extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking slain, kiddo.

[Bboboo]

Why play at all?

Because Soloing/Duoing is where it's at.

[Tenlaar]

The following is meant for humor. I was going to post it alone but I don't think a lot of people on the forums will understand what it is and will end up taking me seriously.[/spoiler]

This thread reminded me about how Ten still isn't 60 and you should get in and proxy me the rest of the way.

[Tasslehofp99]

I feel like chardok is the way people level characters that they have no desire to truly play.

[Destron]

I feel like chardok is the way people level characters that they have no desire to truly play.


My comment was meant to spur debate, possibly transform this into an RnF thread. Time will tell.

[Duncon]

Because Soloing/Duoing is where it's at.

You solo chardok AOE?

[Pyrocat]

I feel like chardok is the way people level characters that they have no desire to truly play.

or get through 59. Seriously I love the classes I play, but 59 is the worst grind imaginable, especially with the carrot of lvl 60 spells so tantalizingly close.

[Bboboo]

You solo chardok AOE?

If you wanna get banned, sure.

[Thulghor]

I don't even know what the term "Chardok Proxy" actually means, other than it's some PBAoE exp farm group.

[toolshed]

Chardok AE Leveling is bad for the server.

I don't even know what the term "Chardok Proxy" actually means, other than it's some PBAoE exp farm group.

Proxy is the leech spot in the group that can sit there and do nothing, but get XP

[Thulghor]

Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[Man0warr]

A proxy for the person doing the work (that doesn't need exp), so to say.

[Spyder73]

Yikes, this thread took an unexpected turn! Didn't realize chard ok was so polarizing

[Bboboo]

Yikes, this thread took an unexpected turn! Didn't realize chard ok was so polarizing

Some people just gotta let others know they're playing EverQuest the wrong way.

[Samoht]

Not sure what's more of a challenge.

Doing 1-2mobs at a time in a group of 6 in KC or Seb...

Or getting a puller to correctly setup a pull, a cleric to correctly heal and DA on time, Enchanter's to hold and cycle their stuns for 3-4minutes and DPS to kill it before going OOM

Getting 1 pull to function correctly requires everyone participating to do their role correctly and any failures like a sitting enchanter or an interrupted stun could wipe your group...

OR

Keep single pulling mobs in KC to your group of 6 level 50s...

Perhaps you are referring to the challenge of not getting bored/losing interest from how slow those groups get exp though?

Which is harder? Mindlessly chain casting stuns with two other players OR actually having to pay attention to what you're doing while mezzing, tashing, slowing, and rooting mobs on a train after you just OOMed from rebuffing haste on everybody? Hmm...

[DeadlyReza]

Which is harder? Mindlessly chain casting stuns with two other players OR actually having to pay attention to what you're doing while mezzing, tashing, slowing, and rooting mobs on a train after you just OOMed from rebuffing haste on everybody? Hmm...

Preach brother!

Also why the hell do you have to pay to group? I get it is power leveling but seriously guys this is so exploiting and just not in the classic spirit...

This makes me very sad

[maurilax]

OR

buying proxy and doing nothing more than AFK

There is a huge meta game to the looting of chardok gems. super fun

[Tuljin]

Ban Chardok now

[smellis]

pardon my broad brush, but AS A WIZARD, new to p99 but coming up fast if i do say so myself, i noticed a drastic drop off in wizard love. i suppose i should have known this ahead of time somehow, but i didn't. (was but a wee lad during even the luclin era). i could wax poetic about getting my hopes and dreams of dungeon groups slowly crushed at the zone lines. but i won't. wizzies don't get dungeon love. no guk love, no seb love, no kc love, no sol b love. no love.

what's that you say? chardok love? oh. yes please, yes. wait what's the you say? ban chardok love? no please, no.

tl;dr: wizards just get the cold shoulder and crickets until the raid scene. i'll take advantage of doing inner dps for a chardok proxy as soon as i am able. if just to scorn the lack of utility i felt as soon as i hit 35. i'm planning to treat it like an exp group. like a super concentrated exp group that replaces all the ones i didn't get from 35-56.

i heard dial a port wasn't classic either.

[Troxx]

It takes all of 30 seconds searching these forums to know that wizards get the short end of the stick in classic. They are a niche class that has a purpose in porting, raid burst dps, and the rare occasion in a group where you need an otherwise crappy sustained dps class to burn like hell.

If you enjoy the class, knock yourself out. Otherwise, please don't QQ about how much your life as a wizard sucks. You really ... really should have known better.

Using the wizard plight as a reason to not shake up the chardok situation doesn't really hold up. It's cool that people can aoe like that and all, but at this point it's basically a cash and RMT farm and nothing more.

[Morbo the Annihilator]

Not sure what's more of a challenge.

Doing 1-2mobs at a time in a group of 6 in KC or Seb...

Or getting a puller to correctly setup a pull, a cleric to correctly heal and DA on time, Enchanter's to hold and cycle their stuns for 3-4minutes and DPS to kill it before going OOM

Getting 1 pull to function correctly requires everyone participating to do their role correctly and any failures like a sitting enchanter or an interrupted stun could wipe your group...

OR

Keep single pulling mobs in KC to your group of 6 level 50s...

Perhaps you are referring to the challenge of not getting bored/losing interest from how slow those groups get exp though?

min/maxers gonna min/max.
chardok AE makes me foam at the ass and is for people that hate playing everquest.

[Daldaen]

min/maxers gonna min/max.
chardok AE makes me foam at the ass and is for people that hate playing everquest.

To each their own.

I personally think it's cool when a group can use a variety of different abilities, together in conjunction that allow you to do things the devs didn't intend on.

Otherwise, PBAE Nuke spells are absolutely useless. And no, farming level 20 greens shouldn't be your claim for their use. No one even mass farmed greens until Luclin, when trade skills were useful.

Also the way the pull is done is equally awesome. Utilizing how faction works and the ability to park a pet and use a linear zone to create trains in your favor, again awesome.

Using DA to stack up mobs on yourself so you aren't dealing with streams of mobs and the ability to do this because of how aggro transfer works, again awesome.

I dunno - It's just that Mechanics behind why Chardok is allowed to work require an understanding of the game and people doing their role in a group properly for a few minutes. It's no exploit where it has 0 risk or takes 0 effort. It requires a group of 4-5 level 60s and 2-3 level 50-60s to work. It required some knowledge and testing for people to make it work in classic. Here people expanded on that and utilized faction friendly pet classes and monks to do larger pulls that modern internet connections now allow.

I've done dungeon leveling and solo leveling of all varieties. I Re-lived my classic experience on my Druid. All future alts were created purely for raid purposes, so the road to 60 is irrelevant to me on them. <3 having a 60 cleric and wizard for raids. Both of whom have never grouped in KC, Seb, or HS. I can't imagine anything more boring than grouping on these one sided classes. But, they are extremely useful raid characters, so I <3 them.

[Morbo the Annihilator]

No doubt chardok AE is an impressive feat, and is a testament to people's creativity to maximise their class' potential.

I just think that it rewards behaviour that is detrimental to the health of the server.
Yeah, it's fun to have multiple level 60s to raid with, but maybe (definitely) the game can not support the quantity of level 60s that chardok as helped to level up.

We can't see the impact now because a lot of people are semi afk.
But when velious arrives and everyone comes back, we'll be wondering why it's so hard to acquire our quest gems, because there will be several thousand level 60s all fighting for a relatively narrow flow of quest pieces.

Chardok is responsible for a significant percentage of level 60s that will be clogging up the top end for a very long time.

[Swish]

Based on a lot of stuff written in this thread, imagine how popular the green/recycle server is going to be :)

[Troxx]

But when velious arrives and everyone comes back, we'll be wondering why it's so hard to acquire our quest gems, because there will be several thousand level 60s all fighting for a relatively narrow flow of quest pieces.

I just hope that velious shifts all the poop-socking shenanigans to new content and frees up some kunark and planar mobs that us mere mortals need for our epics. Hopefully everyone will be training each other in Kael, Skyshrine, and ToV .... or fighting for and locking down sleepers tomb key mobs ... not killing random kunark/planar boss mobs for the 678th time.

But yes ... without chardok you'd have a lot more random alts (alt number 2-22 for some) between level 46 and 59 instead of 60 .... or at least some nominal level lower than they are currently.

[Champion_Standing]

I just hope that velious shifts all the poop-socking shenanigans to new content and frees up some kunark and planar mobs that us mere mortals need for our epics. Hopefully everyone will be training each other in Kael, Skyshrine, and ToV .... or fighting for and locking down sleepers tomb key mobs ... not killing random kunark/planar boss mobs for the 678th time.

But yes ... without chardok you'd have a lot more random alts (alt number 2-22 for some) between level 46 and 59 instead of 60 .... or at least some nominal level lower than they are currently.

I really would not count on that.

[Manticmuse]

Dont take this the wrong way dald bc the server has benefited from the time and effort you have put in to testing, and that is awesome, but i have a question. How will being restricted to one chat box affect chardok ae? Seems not classic...

[waffel]

So what's the excuse for Chardok AoE groups being allowed when everyone knows it isn't even close to classic? This should be good.

[Swish]

They could shut it down for zone monopolization if they wanted to, but they don't want to.

Remember that patch where Chardok AOE wasn't working anymore due to resist changes? Enchanters stuns not quite as effective causing many wipes? That got ironed out quite quickly. Chardok AOE is here to stay :p

[Champion_Standing]

I think its time to start more traditional exp groups in chardok

[Samoht]

I think its time to start more traditional exp groups in chardok

AoE groups will just run them over. Always have. Always will.

[Cecily]

Wouldn't take more than a week or two of frapsed sit-ins and being attacked by mobs before Chardok civil rights legislation is passed.

[Champion_Standing]

AoE groups will just run them over. Always have. Always will.

But but....thats against the pnp

[dafier]

51-52 5pulls
52-53 5pulls
53-54 5pulls
54-55 11pulls
55-56 9pulls
55-57 9pulls
57-58 9pulls
58-59 14pulls

this is from my experience leveling a few characters through Chardok. +/- 1 or 2 on each level depending on race/class and group comp. I think this was for a erudite wizard

Valuable information. Thank you for posting. :)

[dafier]

Chardok AOE is here to stay :p

And I am happy about it. :D

[Samoht]

But but....thats against the pnp

Yet somehow I've never seen them punished for it.

[fastboy21]

In all seriousness, I don't understand how this isn't considered zone disruption.

I don't have a dog in this fight (at least, not now---if Chardok AOE continues after the zone revamp then I will), but this 24/7 AE grping has monopolized the zone. You literally have to time your movement through the zone around their pulling if you don't want to die. You literally have to play in an area that won't be pathed back over when they wipe (even a good Chardok AE setup wipes about 1 in 3 times).

The only reason, I hope, it is allowed to go on is that there isn't much reason to go to the zone right now (monk pipe, herbalist, couple of decent random drops) in the areas affected by the AE grp.

This isn't really an effort to debate the issue as much as it is to ask a question to the devs: When Chardok revamp is made will AE grping be allowed to continue?

[ECDubz]

How do you get into these groups? Just message someone in chardok who is selling proxies?

[dafier]

How do you get into these groups? Just message someone in chardok who is selling proxies?

If you are going to do it....bring PP, zone in to Chardok and talk to the group there. Someone will speak up and tell you what's going on.

Random /tells might be missed or go unanswered.

[ECDubz]

If you are going to do it....bring PP, zone in to Chardok and talk to the group there. Someone will speak up and tell you what's going on.

Random /tells might be missed or go unanswered.

I do plan on doing it a bit i just need to get some cash for more than just one or two pulls. I want to see about doing a few levels this way.

[Rararboker]

Enchanter stuns were "ironed out quick"?

I think it was a problem for a good 2 weeks and then pathing was changed so it was impossible for another week or so. 0 "normal" groups showed up to do anything in chardok, despite the lack of AoE groups.

Chardok sucks pre-revamp for normal groups.

[Swish]

Enchanter stuns were "ironed out quick"?

I think it was a problem for a good 2 weeks and then pathing was changed so it was impossible for another week or so. 0 "normal" groups showed up to do anything in chardok, despite the lack of AoE groups.

Chardok sucks pre-revamp for normal groups.

"quick" can sometimes be a relative term in P99 land... I had it as under a week though.

[dafier]

I do plan on doing it a bit i just need to get some cash for more than just one or two pulls. I want to see about doing a few levels this way.

What I am saying here is all hearsay. I've actually never done it, but I trust my sources.

As far as I know, if you are up front with them with your intentions about how much xp you want (levels) and how much pp you have, and if they have room for you, then you'll be in until you want to leave or your get all your levels.

3 different ways to join a chardok group as far as I've been told.

1. Proxy (pay for)

2. XP (level 55/56 - 59) PBAOE class (free but you don't get ANY shared pp, however you do roll on top end loots which is like 3 items)

3. You are a level 60 PBAOE class that rotates in and out of the group in which you share all PP/loot and rolls for loots.

[loramin]

But but....thats against the pnp

I'm pretty sure one of the staff members (Derubael?) said that if you want to take a normal group to Chardok the AoE people absolutely have to share the zone and work around you (as per the PnP). And in the thread where they said that, several people actually reported the opposite of what's being said here (ie. that when they took a group there the AoE group was very respectful).

Of course, as others have said, it's kind of a lousy zone pre-revamp: there's a reason that Chardok has the AoE group. On live people also AoEed Sebilis, but that won't happen here because people actually like grouping in Sebilis. The same can't be said for Chardok.

[-TK-]

(even a good Chardok AE setup wipes about 1 in 3 times)

If that's considered a 'good' Chardok group now, then I'm glad I haven't been playing for a few months.

[Rararboker]

What I am saying here is all hearsay. I've actually never done it, but I trust my sources.

As far as I know, if you are up front with them with your intentions about how much xp you want (levels) and how much pp you have, and if they have room for you, then you'll be in until you want to leave or your get all your levels.

3 different ways to join a chardok group as far as I've been told.

1. Proxy (pay for)

2. XP (level 55/56 - 59) PBAOE class (free but you don't get ANY shared pp, however you do roll on top end loots which is like 3 items)

3. You are a level 60 PBAOE class that rotates in and out of the group in which you share all PP/loot and rolls for loots.



You are right and wrong here. People from #2 do not rotate out of the group ever, for any reason. People in #3 never rotate into the group for any reason.

There is no "shared pp". I have no clue where you even got this idea.

[Samoht]

People from #2 do not rotate out of the group ever, for any reason.

Except for when their turn is up and they need to rotate out for a proxy. It takes 8 players to successfully run Chardok AoE, and there are only 6 spots in the group. That means somebody has to sit out once every 4 pulls.

People in #3 never rotate into the group for any reason.

Of course not. But they do rotate their proxies in.

[Rararboker]

2 wiz/mage, 3 chanters, 1 cleric, 1 puller. How does that = 8? There is only 7 needed for this operation.

Like I said, #2 never rotates out of the group for any reason. If you are the 56-59 wizard or mage, you are guaranteed that spot for as long as you are there.

[maurilax]

Except for when their turn is up and they need to rotate out for a proxy. It takes 8 players to successfully run Chardok AoE, and there are only 6 spots in the group. That means somebody has to sit out once every 4 pulls.



Of course not. But they do rotate their proxies in.

its 7 required.

[Manticmuse]

How doable is Chardok AE with classic UI? One ability bar. One chat box. Would there have to be an 8th person outside the zone just trying to keep track of the list? Would people just have to play by watching each other and counting in their heads...I'm just confused how this would work. Someone who has a lot of experience with this please enlighten me.

[Champion_Standing]

How doable is Chardok AE with classic UI? One ability bar. One chat box. Would there have to be an 8th person outside the zone just trying to keep track of the list? Would people just have to play by watching each other and counting in their heads...I'm just confused how this would work. Someone who has a lot of experience with this please enlighten me.

I don't know why people think 1 ability bar would be such a big hindrance, its one keystroke to switch hotkey pages.

[Slithor]

How doable is Chardok AE with classic UI? One ability bar. One chat box. Would there have to be an 8th person outside the zone just trying to keep track of the list? Would people just have to play by watching each other and counting in their heads...I'm just confused how this would work. Someone who has a lot of experience with this please enlighten me.

The person that holds the replacement list is inside (I do it as a proxy)... People use shouts to say when to do things. Or when the pull is inc, etc.

The inDPS has the responsibility of moving the @ and holding the list of who's turn it is to be out of group and is the XP group leader.

[Ravager]

pardon my broad brush, but AS A WIZARD, new to p99 but coming up fast if i do say so myself, i noticed a drastic drop off in wizard love. i suppose i should have known this ahead of time somehow, but i didn't. (was but a wee lad during even the luclin era). i could wax poetic about getting my hopes and dreams of dungeon groups slowly crushed at the zone lines. but i won't. wizzies don't get dungeon love. no guk love, no seb love, no kc love, no sol b love. no love.

what's that you say? chardok love? oh. yes please, yes. wait what's the you say? ban chardok love? no please, no.

tl;dr: wizards just get the cold shoulder and crickets until the raid scene. i'll take advantage of doing inner dps for a chardok proxy as soon as i am able. if just to scorn the lack of utility i felt as soon as i hit 35. i'm planning to treat it like an exp group. like a super concentrated exp group that replaces all the ones i didn't get from 35-56.

i heard dial a port wasn't classic either.

My wizard is 43 atm and I've been getting group love whenever I wanted it and it's always been pick-up groups, not to mention I have all the tools to build a group to my specifications and take them anywhere to level... just saying.

[Ravager]

In all seriousness, I don't understand how this isn't considered zone disruption.

I don't have a dog in this fight (at least, not now---if Chardok AOE continues after the zone revamp then I will), but this 24/7 AE grping has monopolized the zone. You literally have to time your movement through the zone around their pulling if you don't want to die. You literally have to play in an area that won't be pathed back over when they wipe (even a good Chardok AE setup wipes about 1 in 3 times).

The only reason, I hope, it is allowed to go on is that there isn't much reason to go to the zone right now (monk pipe, herbalist, couple of decent random drops) in the areas affected by the AE grp.

This isn't really an effort to debate the issue as much as it is to ask a question to the devs: When Chardok revamp is made will AE grping be allowed to continue?


I grouped there before the AE exploits and it was fun, until the day I got trained by AE exploits. Now I don't go there, though I'd like to, but dealing with the asshats there is not worth the time and energy. They should just nerf it already. It's pretty stupid that for years one of the 3 high level dungeons has been allowed to be monopolized by exploiters and RMTers. This close to Velious though, it doesn't really matter anymore.

[iruinedyourday]

Not sure what's more of a challenge.


Ill tell you what a challange is, trying to get your pipe to drop in Chardok on red99 on a new to the server monk.

You want challange, do that my friend.

[Ravager]

Ill tell you what a challange is, trying to get your pipe to drop in Chardok on red99 on a new to the server monk.

You want challange, do that my friend.

I'll stick with my Rubik's Cube, thanks.

[Uuruk]

If you have ever seen how Chardok aoe operates you already know it's a big RMT scheme.

[Ravager]

You don't have to travel far on the internet to see people selling it for cash per pull.

[Pyrocat]

You don't have to travel far on the internet to see people selling it for cash per pull.

post in the petition forum, the staff seems to take RMT very seriously and should be able to help shut it down or at least lessen the impact.

[Ravager]

post in the petition forum, the staff seems to take RMT very seriously and should be able to help shut it down or at least lessen the impact.

This isn't really news. The staff knows what boards they advertise this stuff on, I just didn't want to put it here for obvious reasons. I was just pointing out that it's pretty well known that Chardok AE is a RMT machine for some people here and it will stay that way as long as it's allowed.

Clarify: as long as AE Chardok is allowed, obviously RMT is not.

[Bboboo]

If you have ever seen how Chardok aoe operates you already know it's a big RMT scheme.

I'd put 5$ on that.

[Champion_Standing]

If you have ever seen how Chardok aoe operates you already know it's a big RMT scheme.

[Troxx]

Of course, as others have said, it's kind of a lousy zone pre-revamp: there's a reason that Chardok has the AoE group. On live people also AoEed Sebilis, but that won't happen here because people actually like grouping in Sebilis. The same can't be said for Chardok.

Not exactly right or wrong there. The items from chadok randomly drop off anything, making every nook and cranny potentially profitable. Unfortunately, this mechanic + aoe groups has made chardok loot (which is really damn good when you think about it) cheap as crap. Staves of shielding without the aoe groups would cost 10s of thousands of plat for example - but they're common as hell because of the aoe groups.

During double xp weekend when the whole server was crazy ... we took a group and camped the zone out - an area safe from the pulls. The people running the aoe group were polite, no gripes there. The zone out mobs were not in the pull path, and it was a place that wasn't really contested at a time when the whole server was frothing at the mouth and fighting over spawns. I'm rambling, but the point is .... The experience there is fantastic, double xp or no. Yeah a ridiculously good LCY group in a sparsely populated KC might mow through things faster and get faster xp - some seb camps as well - but even just killing those trash mobs at the zone out with a group of 5 the xp bar was moving very quickly. Halve that for non-double xp weekend and it was still moving fast .... and the mobs would get you right to 60.

I would wager that with the current server bloat at the upper levels you'd see a lot more xp groups there if the aoe groups weren't operating 24/7.

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So yes, if chardok had never been pbaoe'able - you'd see people in there hunting. The xp is quite good and it's one of the only high level dungeons in the game that can take you to 60. The loot, likewise, is not terrible at all. It's only 'cheap' and 'not worth it' because of the aoe groups themselves.

How many zones can you hunt dark blues consistently all the way to 60? Not a lot, and chardok is one of them.

[Raev]

If you have ever seen how Chardok aoe operates you already know it's a big RMT scheme.

One time Briscoe called 'ready' while doing Royals. They wiped, and the rage that ensued could only be caused by someone missing their next RMT payment.

PBAOE spells that hit over 40 mobs should have a small chance to disconnect the user, to properly simulate a dialup connection.

I find it kind of funny that Daldaen, the ultimate classhole who wants DoT damage messages nerfed and thinks people should be forced to take bags out of the bank before opening them, is defending such an obviously non-classic mechanic.

[Uuruk]

One time Briscoe called 'ready' while doing Royals. They wiped, and the rage that ensued could only be caused by someone missing their next RMT payment.

PBAOE spells that hit over 40 mobs should have a small chance to disconnect the user, to properly simulate a dialup connection.

I find it kind of funny that Daldaen, the ultimate classhole who wants DoT damage messages nerfed and thinks people should be forced to take bags out of the bank before opening them, is defending such an obviously non-classic mechanic.

Going to keep comments about this to myself. But great post.

[Ravager]

I would wager that with the current server bloat at the upper levels you'd see a lot more xp groups there if the aoe groups weren't operating 24/7.

Yep. Even Runnyeye, Paw, Cazic and Permafrost have been seeing group action because the population is so good. It's stupid to let 33% of the 50-60 dungeons get monopolized by a handful of nerds.

[loramin]

such an obviously non-classic mechanic.

Which part of it is unclassic? A real life friend of mine used to do a semi-regular AoE group in Sebilis before Velious came out. To be fair, he played at a gaming center with a super fast (for the time) internet connection: I think they had a T1 back when most people used dial-up. And I don't know if he ever did Chardok, but still the point is he did an AoE group in the classic era, so the mechanics seem pretty classic to me.

[Raev]

AOE groups (and AOE kiting) are classic. But they would do 30-40 mobs, not 130-140.

Here is a scary thought: what percentage of 50+ XP do you think Chardok puts out? I'd guess about half. Imagine how much better the raid scene would be with half as many toons to camp out everywhere, and every Class C player didn't have 12 alts to epic? I think its almost impossible to overstate the pernicious effect Chardok AE (and its associated RMT) have had on this server. Probably even worse than invis pulling.

[Doors]

Chardok Zoe is what happens after 4 years of the same expansion.

[Rararboker]

People had dial-up at this time?

Lol I was like 10 or 11 and had normal broadband.


Though I am interested in these RMT allegations. I went searching the net (found the correct site too!) to see if I could figure out which of these people in chardok right now are RMT'ing. Couldn't find anything about it. But I did find a hilarious thread about ryantwin (otherwise known as ryantuck20) and how he has been scamming the RMT community. Made me laugh, in a way, he is doing great justice for the server making people scared to commit to RMT transactions.

[Troxx]

I had dial-up until I went to college in 2001. That was my first exposure to high speed internet. Prior to that? 56k dialup.

[SCB]

Not sure what's more of a challenge.

Doing 1-2mobs at a time in a group of 6 in KC or Seb...

Or getting a puller to correctly setup a pull, a cleric to correctly heal and DA on time, Enchanter's to hold and cycle their stuns for 3-4minutes and DPS to kill it before going OOM

Getting 1 pull to function correctly requires everyone participating to do their role correctly and any failures like a sitting enchanter or an interrupted stun could wipe your group...

OR

Keep single pulling mobs in KC to your group of 6 level 50s...

Perhaps you are referring to the challenge of not getting bored/losing interest from how slow those groups get exp though?


As someone who was the enchanter (the only "difficult" role in an AE group), actually grouping content is much harder than AE grouping. Trains, accidents, etc all complicate issues that simply don't exist in AE groups with easy recovery and a 96% rez waiting bound feet away.

If you handle content that is relevant and at-level (ie doing harder seb camps as intended or crawling Charasis), there is no contest whatsoever.

[Tasslehofp99]

In classic live chardok AOE wouldn't have happened because every chanters stun would have at least half of the mobs resist it. They did it in seb on livebecause in general the frogs in seb were lower level than chardok mobs until you started to hit krups/ilis.

The pull would be from just before Chef camp entrance to the entrance of disco and every frog in between. I don't think that is over 50-60 mobs, maybe it is. Either way, I never saw AOE groups anywhere but sebilis (pre-velious) or Velks(post-velious) on live.

Edit: I really don't think Chardok AOE is classic the way that it is being done on this server. The individual mob difficulty on live in chardok was a lot higher than other dungeons like HS/seb. I only saw AOE groups the way they happen on p99 in sebilis prior to Velious. This is just from my experience on Prexus.

[Troxx]

AE groups in luclin liked fungus grove. Even then you were looking at pulls of 30-50 vs 120+. When velious was current (until the very end) I was still a nub dorking around in content under level 40 - even on my highest characters - no idea where people did aoe in velious.

[Bilbik]

AE groups in luclin liked fungus grove. Even then you were looking at pulls of 30-50 vs 120+. When velious was current (until the very end) I was still a nub dorking around in content under level 40 - even on my highest characters - no idea where people did aoe in velious.

You could AE the 2nd floor hallway in Crystal Caverns if it was empty. You could do the zone in 2 pulls with the shit pathing.

[firesyde424]

Wow, had no idea it was this much of a divisive issue. Guess my list of "crap people care way too much about" needs a change. Bards > Luclin Models > Chardok AoE > TMO

[Swish]

Wow, had no idea it was this much of a divisive issue. Guess my list of "crap people care way too much about" needs a change. Bards > Luclin Models > Chardok AoE > TMO

It's all relative. Until you see people protesting in the zone, handcuffing themselves to sarnaks and holding up placards with "stop the genocide" it's going to carry on regardless.

[Man0warr]

Edit: I really don't think Chardok AOE is classic the way that it is being done on this server. The individual mob difficulty on live in chardok was a lot higher than other dungeons like HS/seb. I only saw AOE groups the way they happen on p99 in sebilis prior to Velious. This is just from my experience on Prexus.

People AE'd in Chardok before the revamp on Live just like they are doing now, just on a smaller scale (on The Rathe at least).

Group consisted of a Warrior/Cleric/2x Wiz/2x Enchanter - they'd usually setup at the tunnel drop off left of castle entrance and pull maybe 30-40 mobs there. It usually wasn't for exp, but trying to find shields and staves - because Chardok is a shit zone to try to exp in before revamp.

All the mechanics were there to do more than that, but the internet speeds weren't good enough.

On this server if you try to pull 200+ mobs you'll desync the zone pretty reliably (We were able to do it in Droga a few times factioning).

[Tuljin]

at this point it's basically a cash and RMT farm and nothing more.

This is exactly right. The last wave of RMT bans kicked out SO MANY Chardok trolls that the operation was disrupted for a while (and I was actually laughing out loud about it)

I've gotten a shakedown by a GM before because a friend and I were semi AFK in West Freeport and we were accused of two boxing we suspect because we have similar IPs due to our close geographic locations. I was AFK and I come back to a GM waiting around for me to "show up"

Funny thing is, we were both geared to the teeth.....Wizard and Druid. And level 60. Not exactly a two-box duo and I'm sure the server would agree. We farmed SO much with our Wiz/Druid duo two-boxing that we managed to buy an Insignia Protector, Robe of the Spring, Hiero Cloaks, etcetcetc (rofl) We got a shakedown and had to do funny two-box trials from a GM that were inconvenient and seemed a bit excessive. We were compliant, passed the tests, and we still laugh about it to this day.

The point is - there is plainly RMT at Chardok. So much RMT policing would be alleviated with a hard ban. A ban takes 0 coding time, 0 debug time, 0 resources. It takes a simple post from a GM on the front page of the P99 website.


All future alts were created purely for raid purposes, so the road to 60 is irrelevant to me on them.

This is a major part of why the "raid scene" is such a trainwreck. (Sorry to you point this out Daldaen lol) A little Chardok AOE history for all the nubs to P99...

Chardok AOE "became a thing" when TMO starting doing AOE groups to level their alts to park at every single raid target in order to keep a stranglehold on all "raid" content on the server. As we all know, TMO screwed the "raid scene" on this server irreparably to the point where we had to make the ridiculous C/R raid classes (the only difference between C and R at this point is the VP key which was only controlled through the Trak Tooth bottleneck that TMO had for years - there's enough VP keyed toons for 5 guilds to have access. NToV will be interesting) They now have been booed off the server and had to run away to Red. These AOE groups were /role or /anon and exclusive. People got hip to the idea and it started to happen infrequently but it was never a machine like it is today.

When did it become a machine? The beginning of 2014 when the C/R raid divisions were established. Coincidence? I think not. Everybody wanted to start leveling their alts

Nubs should not be fooled thinking its a benefit to them to have the option of leveling their toon easily instead of going out and getting denied groups when they LFG (really you have to put your own groups together if you have a "not desired grouping class", but thats neither here nor there.) EQ is the time vampire king of MMOs, its not supposed to be easy to get to 60. Its also supposed to be "hard." Go play Guild Wars 2 or something if you dont want to grind and spend some time actually playing the game.

The only people who can afford to pay 2k a pull are RMTers or people on their 9th alt. There's no way you can even make enough money to level your toon if you haven't farmed with a level 60 shaman or enchanter. There's no way you can make enough money to powerlevel with AOE from porting either. Not only is Chardok rife with RMT, but it also tanked the monetary value of several items including Stave of Shielding and Sarnak Battle Shield. The price tanked to 10-15% of what it used to be. Also, you now see scrubs walking around with Insignia Protectors that didn't have to kill anything tough to farm plat to buy it, you can just sit at Chardok zone and click your PBAOE for 30+ hours to make enough to buy one.

Do not be fooled nubs. AOE does not benefit the players that complain about the "raid scene" being too crowded and unfair. People who can't actually get their Wizards and Mages to 60 having an easy shot at making it to 60 is nowhere near enough of an excuse to justify an activity that has disproportionately inflated the high level population of the server. Chardok AOE trivializes the tough road to 60 and gives everyone and their cousin a Wizard alt to park at "raid" targets or a Mage to park at each and every single "raid" boss to CoTH. It benefits those who have had a stranglehold on "raid" content for years (the same small circle of players)

C/R will disappear and everyone is going to start crying again and wish that people weren't cranking toons to 60 in Chardok AOE for damn near two years.

we'll be wondering why it's so hard to acquire our quest gems, because there will be several thousand level 60s all fighting for a relatively narrow flow of quest pieces.

Chardok is responsible for a significant percentage of level 60s that will be clogging up the top end for a very long time.

Does anybody have a number of about how many 60s were on each server when Velious dropped in classic? I'm sure its a fraction of P99. Just like with the Seb and HS keys at Velious launch, getting keys in Velious for the first bit is going to be a shitshow because there are....how many level 60s that are going to have to kill the same dragon? Seb and HS keys were permacamped for months by TMO and they deliberately blocked everyone from getting one for months. Comically enough, HS remained a ghost town for a long time (and still really is considering server population) because nub.

FYI people on this server not only get pleasure from hoarding items for themselves, they also take pleasure in -making sure other people don't get them- How many players have 5 or 6 level 60 toons that have to key past Skyshrine? Not only do they want them for themselves and their buddies, they want the casual scum to not have them at all. Chardok AOE is not doing scrubs a favor at all.

I feel like chardok is the way people level characters that they have no desire to truly play.

EQ is not for Call of Duty fanboys who buy the new piece of shit iteration of a game they crank out every year like Madden. Anybody who never played classic EQ but has only played the latest expansions of WoW or Guild Wars will experience a real "difficulty" shell shock (or timesink shell shock, depending on your argument)

EQ is a grind. It was designed to be a grind. It was designed to be hard to get to 60, and some classes are simply more difficult to get to 60 than others. In fact, level 60 really isn't supposed to be for everybody. If you're not good enough to make it to 60 on your own without Chardok AOE, you really shouldn't even get there.

[Champion_Standing]

^^^

well damn

[Ravager]

This is exactly right. The last wave of RMT bans kicked out SO MANY Chardok trolls that the operation was disrupted for a while (and I was actually laughing out loud about it)

I've gotten a shakedown by a GM before because a friend and I were semi AFK in West Freeport and we were accused of two boxing we suspect because we have similar IPs due to our close geographic locations. I was AFK and I come back to a GM waiting around for me to "show up"

Funny thing is, we were both geared to the teeth.....Wizard and Druid. And level 60. Not exactly a two-box duo and I'm sure the server would agree. We farmed SO much with our Wiz/Druid duo two-boxing that we managed to buy an Insignia Protector, Robe of the Spring, Hiero Cloaks, etcetcetc (rofl) We got a shakedown and had to do funny two-box trials from a GM that were inconvenient and seemed a bit excessive. We were compliant, passed the tests, and we still laugh about it to this day.

The point is - there is plainly RMT at Chardok. So much RMT policing would be alleviated with a hard ban. A ban takes 0 coding time, 0 debug time, 0 resources. It takes a simple post from a GM on the front page of the P99 website.




This is a major part of why the "raid scene" is such a trainwreck. (Sorry to you point this out Daldaen lol) A little Chardok AOE history for all the nubs to P99...

Chardok AOE "became a thing" when TMO starting doing AOE groups to level their alts to park at every single raid target in order to keep a stranglehold on all "raid" content on the server. As we all know, TMO screwed the "raid scene" on this server irreparably to the point where we had to make the ridiculous C/R raid classes (the only difference between C and R at this point is the VP key which was only controlled through the Trak Tooth bottleneck that TMO had for years - there's enough VP keyed toons for 5 guilds to have access. NToV will be interesting) They now have been booed off the server and had to run away to Red. These AOE groups were /role or /anon and exclusive. People got hip to the idea and it started to happen infrequently but it was never a machine like it is today.

When did it become a machine? The beginning of 2014 when the C/R raid divisions were established. Coincidence? I think not. Everybody wanted to start leveling their alts

Nubs should not be fooled thinking its a benefit to them to have the option of leveling their toon easily instead of going out and getting denied groups when they LFG (really you have to put your own groups together if you have a "not desired grouping class", but thats neither here nor there.) EQ is the time vampire king of MMOs, its not supposed to be easy to get to 60. Its also supposed to be "hard." Go play Guild Wars 2 or something if you dont want to grind and spend some time actually playing the game.

The only people who can afford to pay 2k a pull are RMTers or people on their 9th alt. There's no way you can even make enough money to level your toon if you haven't farmed with a level 60 shaman or enchanter. There's no way you can make enough money to powerlevel with AOE from porting either. Not only is Chardok rife with RMT, but it also tanked the monetary value of several items including Stave of Shielding and Sarnak Battle Shield. The price tanked to 10-15% of what it used to be. Also, you now see scrubs walking around with Insignia Protectors that didn't have to kill anything tough to farm plat to buy it, you can just sit at Chardok zone and click your PBAOE for 30+ hours to make enough to buy one.

Do not be fooled nubs. AOE does not benefit the players that complain about the "raid scene" being too crowded and unfair. People who can't actually get their Wizards and Mages to 60 having an easy shot at making it to 60 is nowhere near enough of an excuse to justify an activity that has disproportionately inflated the high level population of the server. Chardok AOE trivializes the tough road to 60 and gives everyone and their cousin a Wizard alt to park at "raid" targets or a Mage to park at each and every single "raid" boss to CoTH. It benefits those who have had a stranglehold on "raid" content for years (the same small circle of players)

C/R will disappear and everyone is going to start crying again and wish that people weren't cranking toons to 60 in Chardok AOE for damn near two years.



Does anybody have a number of about how many 60s were on each server when Velious dropped in classic? I'm sure its a fraction of P99. Just like with the Seb and HS keys at Velious launch, getting keys in Velious for the first bit is going to be a shitshow because there are....how many level 60s that are going to have to kill the same dragon? Seb and HS keys were permacamped for months by TMO and they deliberately blocked everyone from getting one for months. Comically enough, HS remained a ghost town for a long time (and still really is considering server population) because nub.

FYI people on this server not only get pleasure from hoarding items for themselves, they also take pleasure in -making sure other people don't get them- How many players have 5 or 6 level 60 toons that have to key past Skyshrine? Not only do they want them for themselves and their buddies, they want the casual scum to not have them at all. Chardok AOE is not doing scrubs a favor at all.



EQ is not for Call of Duty fanboys who buy the new piece of shit iteration of a game they crank out every year like Madden. Anybody who never played classic EQ but has only played the latest expansions of WoW or Guild Wars will experience a real "difficulty" shell shock (or timesink shell shock, depending on your argument)

EQ is a grind. It was designed to be a grind. It was designed to be hard to get to 60, and some classes are simply more difficult to get to 60 than others. In fact, level 60 really isn't supposed to be for everybody. If you're not good enough to make it to 60 on your own without Chardok AOE, you really shouldn't even get there.

Someone once posted that rez exploits were also used in conjunction with AE PLing to change the PL'd wizard alts to whatever class they wanted. Not sure how much veracity was to it, but the method they mentioned seemed plausible.

[waffel]

I find it cute how those that are able to Chardok AOE are those with cash to burn on it. Meaning they've been on the server for awhile, and are probably all about 'classic'...

...except for when it comes to them leveling alts, then instead of doing 'classic' leveling in 'classic' groups in 'classic' gear, they're all about Chardok AOE groups to level up their Rogue who is twinked + has its epic.

It boils down to the mindset of "I've been on this server long enough that I'll gladly disregard the 'classic' feel of P99 that brought me here if it means I can cut corners and bypass any content I'd like"

[Uuruk]

Why is an operation that has this much RMT allowed to stay around? You nuked casinos because of RMT nuke this stupid fucking shit too. Sadly it's too late as its already destroyed your server.

[Vexenu]

The damage done by Chardok AOE to the server has already been so extensive that there's no point in banning it now. It really, really needs to be banned from any future servers though (whether that's Teams, Refresh or Blue II).

Also, XPing in Chardok becomes about 10x easier if you have a Paladin tank to stun-lock all the caster mobs.

[Widan]

Why is an operation that has this much RMT allowed to stay around? You nuked casinos because of RMT nuke this stupid fucking shit too. Sadly it's too late as its already destroyed your server.

But then redwjamz might have to get a real job. They already took away his Cab farming exploit. Cut the guy a break already!

(I do find it hilarious someone obviously RMT'ing has a twitch stream though)

[fastboy21]

I find it cute how those that are able to Chardok AOE are those with cash to burn on it. Meaning they've been on the server for awhile, and are probably all about 'classic'...

...except for when it comes to them leveling alts, then instead of doing 'classic' leveling in 'classic' groups in 'classic' gear, they're all about Chardok AOE groups to level up their Rogue who is twinked + has its epic.

It boils down to the mindset of "I've been on this server long enough that I'll gladly disregard the 'classic' feel of P99 that brought me here if it means I can cut corners and bypass any content I'd like"

I agree with this...but, EQ to some people is all about bending the sand-box game to their will.

You come into the game with absolutely nothing. No gear. No abilities. Your first encounter will almost certainly be finding a lvl 1 snake in a newbie yard and hitting auto attack. EQ's challenge is the world setup or the sand-box (there is nothing "hard" about hitting auto attack). You do this for days and day of rl time...slowly gaining control of the world around you. Pushing deeper with more safety and confidence of success into the world. Over time, you expand that sphere to much of the world if you keep at it.

For some folks, the ultimate success in EQ is turning this stupidly absurd world upside down and taking control of it. Chardok AoE leveling is one way of doing that. From that perspective, I can see how alluring going practically afk and coming back to a lvl 60 char would be...all without cheating. Its a giant way of saying "Screw you EQ, I win!"

The RMT, zone disruption, exploiting, etc all are all out of bounds. These are a different problem though.

[Uuruk]

But then redwjamz might have to get a real job. They already took away his Cab farming exploit. Cut the guy a break already!

(I do find it hilarious someone obviously RMT'ing has a twitch stream though)
No kidding. You can turn his stream on and it was either cab or Chardok aoe.

[Portasaurus]

BRING BACK EC TUNNEL CASINOS!

Apparently they were outlawed because folks were using it to "hide RMT" (even though they put themselves out there /shouting "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M A CASINO" for everyone to see.)

The dirty RMTers are clearly using chardok to RMT. Either ban Chardok AoE groups because it is used to "hide" RMT, or bring back EC casinos!

Surely, now, I have backed the mods into a corner on this issue!! Excuse me while I go stretch out my dice rolling arm.

[Gimp]

But then redwjamz might have to get a real job. They already took away his Cab farming exploit. Cut the guy a break already!

(I do find it hilarious someone obviously RMT'ing has a twitch stream though)

"Can't work", streams for 20 hours at a time.

Just a pathetic individual in every aspect.

[waffel]

"Can't work", streams for 20 hours at a time.

Just a pathetic individual in every aspect.

He's lonely and will die without accomplishing anything of value. It's been said before, to win hard at EQ you have to lose hard in life.

[Swish]

But then redwjamz might have to get a real job. They already took away his Cab farming exploit. Cut the guy a break already!

(I do find it hilarious someone obviously RMT'ing has a twitch stream though)

"Can't work", streams for 20 hours at a time.

Just a pathetic individual in every aspect.

I like him.

[Raev]

The damage done by Chardok AOE to the server has already been so extensive that there's no point in banning it now. It really, really needs to be banned from any future servers though (whether that's Teams, Refresh or Blue II).

This.

1. Velious
2. Limit PBAOE to 40 targets
3. Remove item recharge
4. Raid rules fixes (mobs spawn ~4 at once, replace windows with constant chance per tick, server broadcast to eliminate tracking, players must visit a 'rally zone' after logging in to prevent poopsocking)

Result: a game that kinda sorta feels like EQ!

[Man0warr]

No one will AE Chardok once it gets revamped.

Too many unstunnable named mixed in, people wanting to keep faction, and lots of groups will get priority by the GMs.

[milsorgen]

"Can't work", streams for 20 hours at a time.

Just a pathetic individual in every aspect.

Damn you were kidding, googled for shits and giggles.

[hynch]

But then redwjamz might have to get a real job. They already took away his Cab farming exploit. Cut the guy a break already!

(I do find it hilarious someone obviously RMT'ing has a twitch stream though)

I got banned from redwjamz's channel for calling him out when he was being a dick to newbies in Cabilis while farming for his RMT operation. That guy is a tool and gives P99 streamers a bad name.

[Swish]

how was he being a dick to newbies? just curious...and firing shots at people about RMT isn't cool without proof.

[Gimp]

An unemployed guy in his mid 30s living off government assistance and begging for twitch donations to pay his rent (which is probably like $200, because I'm sure he's in section 8 housing).

If he's not RMT'ing yet, he will be soon when people stop giving this leech "donations."

[Swish]

Got this through this morning, had a motorcycle accident last January (2014) which fractured my collar bone, cracked a few ribs and gave me a nasty knock on the head (was wearing a helmet). I don't remember the accident, just waking up in the middle of the road :/

http://imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/06/30/Untitled.png


See you in Chardok pals, stay mad <3

[dafier]

Got this through this morning, had a motorcycle accident last January (2014) which fractured my collar bone, cracked a few ribs and gave me a nasty knock on the head (was wearing a helmet). I don't remember the accident, just waking up in the middle of the road :/

http://imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/06/30/Untitled.png


See you in Chardok pals, stay mad <3

That's a weak amount of money.

[Briscoe]

BRING BACK EC TUNNEL CASINOS!

Apparently they were outlawed because folks were using it to "hide RMT" (even though they put themselves out there /shouting "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M A CASINO" for everyone to see.)

The dirty RMTers are clearly using chardok to RMT. Either ban Chardok AoE groups because it is used to "hide" RMT, or bring back EC casinos!

Surely, now, I have backed the mods into a corner on this issue!! Excuse me while I go stretch out my dice rolling arm.

Casinos were banned because a few bad apples were scamming people in the tunnel and the staff got tired of dealing with it.

[Waedawen]

Down with the Chardok-AOE-Bullshit

[Swish]

That's a weak amount of money.

Yeah I guess compared to America. We don't sue the shit out of everyone and everything here for personal gain, our game isn't on the same level it seems.

What do you get for walking out in front of a car in America? Need those Chardok AOE tokens. If only I had Juntsie to represent me.

[Daldaen]

Down with the Chardok-AOE-Bullshit

Eh AE groups are one of the best things in EQ. Utilizing rarely utilized spells like PBAEs, plus understanding aggro transfer allowing DA stacking up of mobs, plus using a factioned toon to create trains in a linear zone... It's very clever mechanics. I'm a big fan.

The way it's monetized is dumb and the way it's 7 players instead of 6 is also dumb.

But the mechanics behind why it works are what makes EQ great. People figure out how to beat large numbers of mobs with science. I love it.

[dafier]

Yeah I guess compared to America. We don't sue the shit out of everyone and everything here for personal gain, our game isn't on the same level it seems.

What do you get for walking out in front of a car in America? Need those Chardok AOE tokens. If only I had Juntsie to represent me.

You are correct sir. In America everyone takes you for what THEY can get. It's sad.

MEHRKA!

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I wanna Chardok pls!

[Waedawen]

The way it's monetized is dumb and the way it's 7 players instead of 6 is also dumb.

But the mechanics behind why it works are what makes EQ great. People figure out how to beat large numbers of mobs with science. I love it.

And that's all fine and dandy, but the monster that it has become is simply disdainful.

[Daldaen]

And that's all fine and dandy, but the monster that it has become is simply disdainful.

And that's fine. You don't have to partake in its behavior.

If you want to group in Chardok setup somewhere with a group and stake your claim to a camp. But no one ever wants to group in there because it's a rather mediocre dungeon until the revamp.

[J. Jones]

what happens if I'm doing the lev tunnel for the monk epic pipe and an ae group comes in. they have to leave the tunnel mobs right?

[Swish]

what happens if I'm doing the lev tunnel for the monk epic pipe and an ae group comes in. they have to leave the tunnel mobs right?

Yes, though some of them will probably tell you to wait and try and get you to pay for the pipe lol

[J. Jones]

Yes, though some of them will probably tell you to wait and try and get you to pay for the pipe lol

why would I pay for the pipe? they should be giving me a free pipe drop if I'm already holding the camp.

[Daldaen]

why would I pay for the pipe? they should be giving me a free pipe drop if I'm already holding the camp.

Because some people are dumb, and don't understand how things go.

If they were smart they'd try to entice you to just AFK and take a free pipe, most likely they'd just pull around you if the puller is semi decent.

[Deadmantis]

why would I pay for the pipe? they should be giving me a free pipe drop if I'm already holding the camp.

http://i.imgur.com/w1A9zpb.jpg?1

[TarukShmaruk]

All I remember about Chardok is that it was ball-bustingly difficult to XP there with a normal group.

Never did AE there, although I did do AE in fungus grove on Wizard on live. That was interesting - don't think I could have made it to 60 without doing that.

[Swish]

Did 50-56 or so on my cleric with an enchanter friend a couple of years back before Chardok AOE became a thing. Was fast XP and we had a good time.

Still groupable if you're on red <3

[Tuljin]

And that's fine. You don't have to partake in its behavior.

We're all affected, and negatively. We cannot choose.

Chardok generates an INSANE percentage of post-50 XP on the server

The high level crowding on the server, nubs n scrubs who make it to 60 but shouldn't , also people on their 17th alt to park at a "raid" boss (not classic)

The COTH bots at every single dragon helping to trivialize "raid" encounter logistics in a very non-classic way. This is responsible for the Trap tooth bottleneck, which is the only reason C/R exists

Everyone and their cousin with a level 60 Wizard alt (vs those of us who actually "worked" to get our levels)

Idk man, first Druid apologist (which I can understand, most don't) now Chardok AOE apologist (I just don't get it)

[Swish]

An extra 50+ grouping zone would have been great for Kunark, wouldn't it?

[Tuljin]

An extra 50+ grouping zone would have been great for Kunark, wouldn't it?

No way dude

We need more Iksar Monks with joke-to-get Chardok pipes and epics that also joke their way to 60 pulling the zone

Its awesome that Sarnak Shield and Stave of Shielding had to drop to 10% of their former value

We definitely need -even more- level 60s shitting up Seb while all the other high level zones remain ghost towns cause the people who crank to 60 can't even hack anything else (people wipe on way to Chef and Disco cause casters but Crypt perma-camped cause joke easy)

We also need ---one more---- zerg guild full of 60 alts to camp the ever living fuck out of everything (gonna be 5 for Velious folks)

4 years of Kunark and people AFKing their way to level 60

Yeah, Chardok AOE is awesome

[thufir]

This thread makes me sad. I was really looking forward to hitting up Chardok on the journey to 60. XP'd there back on Live during the Kunark area and it was a fine place. Hadn't realized it had been completely taken over by RMT PBAoE groups here.

I should add, I have nothing against PBAoE groups; as a wizard on Live I was in my fair share of those. We couldn't get a Chardok PBAoE group working on Live, though, for reasons already stated in this thread. It's difficult to make things exactly classic, though, and a lot has already changed here to account for the never-ending Kunark.

I wonder if this will stop when Velious comes out. Probably not. I can't think of any Velious dungeons that would be better for this.

[indiscriminate_hater]

This thread makes me sad. I was really looking forward to hitting up Chardok on the journey to 60. XP'd there back on Live during the Kunark area and it was a fine place. Hadn't realized it had been completely taken over by RMT PBAoE groups here.

I should add, I have nothing against PBAoE groups; as a wizard on Live I was in my fair share of those. We couldn't get a Chardok PBAoE group working on Live, though, for reasons already stated in this thread. It's difficult to make things exactly classic, though, and a lot has already changed here to account for the never-ending Kunark.

I wonder if this will stop when Velious comes out. Probably not. I can't think of any Velious dungeons that would be better for this.

velks AOE?

[Visual]

pbaoe leveling is bad for the game. I have a whole slew of characters that I have little or no attachment through these means.

I am a sick fuck for everquest, but most people at this stage of the game have ghosted/left entirely.

I feel the same way about all the excessive repops, exp bonuses, etc. Gear and level amount to nothing when they are easily obtainable.

[thufir]

velks AOE?
dat ice tho

and don't some of the spiders root you? I can't remember, it's been so long

[indiscriminate_hater]

dat ice tho

and don't some of the spiders root you? I can't remember, it's been so long

they definitely backstab you - that I remember

[Nuggie]

I bet you can jump from the top of the ramps to the bottom w/O dieiing. Not sure how the spectre area would be pulled. DA's?

Th e pressure of a top heavy server is about to be releaved. Winter is almost upon us friends!

Also, if you want to exp chardok there are a few places you can still do it. Plenty of mobs left by most of the pullers.