PL'ing in Mistmoore and other popular zones...

[Swish]

What are people's views on this? Groups can't form if there's a PL session in progress so the argument of "it's quiet" doesn't really apply when 1 turns up, sees everything dead, goes away... another turns up, does the same etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0El1SMvyoQ

Should powerleveling be confined to less populated zones? Interested to hear people's views.

[TarukShmaruk]

Dunno, I don't consider PL'ers valid camps, so I'll just set up near them and we will start pulling.

I'm pretty sure the staff won't side with a power leveler over a group of levelers?

Also it's really funny you posted this video because I was just here this morning and this same couple of people were power leveling. I started hitting mobs to get weapon skill and get "don't you'll ruin my PL" /rolleyes

[Swish]

They've been there for hours then, glad to see Aaria making some plat while the leveling folks miss out...

Also who PL's a necro?

[dafier]

Dunno, I don't consider PL'ers valid camps, so I'll just set up near them and we will start pulling.

I'm pretty sure the staff won't side with a power leveler over a group of levelers?

Also it's really funny you posted this video because I was just here this morning and this same couple of people were power leveling. I started hitting mobs to get weapon skill and get "don't you'll ruin my PL" /rolleyes

ALL PLer's dual box! BAN THEM ALL! Their all LIARS!

Seriously though, whatever. I agree with you about setting up camp around them. I mean, don't sit ON top of them but they aren't camping that spot. Just my opinion.

Only time I experienced a PLer that affected me was when I first started. I was in WC and was going to pull the orc camp (solo or group, I wasn't there yet). This low level Ogre who had pretty much 100k (figurative) dumped on him was being PL'd by his 'afk brother' if I remember correctly.

I asked if I could join but alas, he wouldn't have me.

[Robbintha Hood]

Also who PL's a necro?

Yeah, thats pretty bad.

[TarukShmaruk]

http://imgur.com/gvgGsWr

[Man0warr]

PLing in a populated zone is stupid on the PLers part - I'd rather have an entire zone to myself. May be less ZEM but fighting with other players for mobs is going to net less exp anyways.

Zones like Befallen, Najena, Runneyeye are just as good as Crushbone or Unrest.

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/gvgGsWr.jpg

wow :s

[maurilax]

I have PLd in MM, but only on the top floor of the castle. Normally groups dont pull from those rooms by xictol and Im pretty good about giving them enchanter buffs and rezzes as needed. Generally its during off hours and I hardly ever see the pullers from the CE groups up there.

Just gotta communicate about what they need and where they are pulling from and adjust/leave

[bktroost]

I blame Original Developers for making a level 20-30 zone the only way to raise faction in the game's highest level end raiding zone.

[Man0warr]

Orcs in Everfrost give the same faction hit.

[ECDubz]

Less populated zones? No i dont agree with that at all. Outdoor zones only or stay away from popular dungeons? Yes.

I power level a lot in DL, FV, and LOIO. I broadcast in the zone i am PLing and that everyone needs to call camps and group locations so i know to leave mobs in those areas or stay away from them completely. There are ways you can do it without being a prick so no i dont agree with PLing being banned from populated zones.

[Cecily]

Dunno, I don't consider PL'ers valid camps, so I'll just set up near them and we will start pulling.

I'm pretty sure the staff won't side with a power leveler over a group of levelers?

Also it's really funny you posted this video because I was just here this morning and this same couple of people were power leveling. I started hitting mobs to get weapon skill and get "don't you'll ruin my PL" /rolleyes

High level characters have just as much right to kill things in a zone as anyone else. You on the other hand don't have the right to hit whatever mob you like, particularly if you're interfering with exp from mobs they claimed (kill stealing). I'm not saying that I support PLing in high traffic zones, but to say that PL'ers camps aren't valid is writing your own server rules to suit you and that's not how it works. You're wrong.

[webrunner5]

I used to PL all the time on my Druid years ago. Have not done one PL in more than a year. :cool:

There is just too many people on now not to piss off a bunch of people doing it. No more, but Velious opening maybe a different story for awhile. :p

[tarkhis]

ALL PLer's dual box! BAN THEM ALL! Their all LIARS!

Seriously though, whatever. I agree with you about setting up camp around them. I mean, don't sit ON top of them but they aren't camping that spot. Just my opinion.

Only time I experienced a PLer that affected me was when I first started. I was in WC and was going to pull the orc camp (solo or group, I wasn't there yet). This low level Ogre who had pretty much 100k (figurative) dumped on him was being PL'd by his 'afk brother' if I remember correctly.

I asked if I could join but alas, he wouldn't have me.

LOL my two experiences with PLer's were also" I'm Pling my brother" as well. I sent them polite tells stating i was hunting in the zone also and asking them to leave mobs up and that I was moving into a camp and they were very polite and moved further along and left me the camp.

I don't agree that PLing in some of popular dungeons is wrong because I like to explore and hit the out of the way dungeons and don't want people moving in there to PL, they should stick to outdoor zones.

[Raev]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112829

2 years ahead of you Swish!

Also Cecily I don't think you are wrong per se, but most of those powerlevelers are trying to hold down 10 camps at once anyway.

[sacman08]

The problem is that if PLing is sticking to specific camps, then it's not really PLing so they end up snaking mobs from other areas whenever they are up which causes a drain on the groups that are trying to play using camps.

[Swish]

They're still in there. I wonder how many people came, saw few/no mobs up and left by now...

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112829

2 years ahead of you Swish!

Now that's a good thread and idea ;)

[LGraves]

yeah I hate people that do this. It really shows how they don't give two shits about anyone else. I ran into a really nasty couple a few weeks ago in Unrest, peak hours of course.

[Kowalski]

Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's all the ZEM master's fault ;)

[Bboboo]

They have every right to be there as much as anyone else. It is a dick move though, specially when there's many better PLing spots out there that are not in populated zones.

[Kevris]

This is one of those cases that people should police themselves rather than having a GM enforced rule.

What they're doing isn't against the rules, but it is a huge dick move.

Don't petition them, just remember who the involved parties are and don't associate with them in the future. This isn't World of Warcraft where you queue up for a dungeon instance comprised of people from all of the servers; this is one server and reputation matters.

[TarukShmaruk]

High level characters have just as much right to kill things in a zone as anyone else. You on the other hand don't have the right to hit whatever mob you like, particularly if you're interfering with exp from mobs they claimed (kill stealing). I'm not saying that I support PLing in high traffic zones, but to say that PL'ers camps aren't valid is writing your own server rules to suit you and that's not how it works. You're wrong.

shrug

Until I see a staff member come down and tell me that my group of leveling lowbies has to respect a PL'er taking up half of the zone, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing.

hth

[Man0warr]

GM's will say the same thing - they will just force the PLer to leave some mobs for you instead of killing everything.

[captnamazing]

PL should not be confined or restricted.

However, the Power Leveler should have enough moral fiber and common decency to not interfere with leveling groups, and/or be informed enough to know that there are MANY zones which work to PL.

[Kowalski]

Common decency is an uncommon virtue

[Swish]

the Power Leveler should have enough moral fiber and common decency to not interfere with leveling groups, and/or be informed enough to know that there are MANY zones which work to PL.

Agreed, we shouldn't need hard/written rules...but in lawyerquest spirit, if it's not strictly against the rules some people will do what they like.

[kined]

shrug

Until I see a staff member come down and tell me that my group of leveling lowbies has to respect a PL'er taking up half of the zone, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing.

hth

you don't need any clarification. its camp rules just like any other player in the whole game. they don't specify for PL's cause there is no need, its all the same rules. they get 1 camp thats protected by the rules, and so do you, all other popped mobs are fair game

they can take whatever is up until you call a camp. if they want that camp, and they had been clearing it, they can call that camp and maintain presence in it, then you can choose from another camp, and they can still kill anything else they can find that is not camped. this is really not that hard... the guy here in mistmoore has every right to PL by claiming the pond camp the same way any group could. if a group decided to go claim canyon or GY, then the PL'er would no longer be allowed to pull from those places. This is really not that complicated, nor do i think new rules should be made. its like people who were trying to boot me out of Moat camp in CoM because i wasn't a group and i was just soloing.... nothing matter except the fact that I'm holding it down and camping it. same goes for PL'ers.

i have no idea why you all are acting as if these rules don't already exist. call a camp, hold it down. if they snipe mobs on purpose then petition them like any other asshole who doesn't respect camp rules. they are very clear on the rules. lawyer quest has already been taken care of swish..

[Erica]

Remove exp being split between group members, instead giving everyone the full amount and 90% of the PL, solo, duo, trio issues vanish. Not classic is the new classic.

[Swish]

Remove exp being split between group members, instead giving everyone the full amount and 90% of the PL, solo, duo, trio issues vanish. Not classic is the new classic.

Why Erica, I know a server you'd really like...

[captnamazing]

Agreed, we shouldn't need hard/written rules...but in lawyerquest spirit, if it's not strictly against the rules some people will do what they like.

Indeed. Praise project 1999

[Erica]

Why Erica, I know a server you'd really like...

I'd play red if I had more time ... and hated myself. ;)

[Swish]

http://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webmd/consumer_assets/site_images/articles/health_tools/bandaging_from_head_to_toe_slideshow/getty_rm_photo_of_cold_water_on_burnt_hand.jpg


The truth is you don't require as much time to level on red, you'll be up and raiding in no time <3

[dafier]

So PLing is classic. I remember a LOT of it happening in Estate of Unrest. Usually it was a melee (low level) with a maxed out druid. But that was mostly in the yard, which is a 'who cares' to most.

Nothing wrong with PLing, but I do have a problem with people being PL'd by an 'afk brother' or 'afk whoever'. Smells too much like boxing to me.

My RL friend had a good experience 2 times with PLers. He played a wizard and had the same chat I did with other PLers and they had no issues inviting him in a group.

[Swish]

Weren't druids in wolf form able to roam freely around in there? I'm sure I saw someone doing that.

Wizards are going to be so good for Velious.

[Riotgirl]

Like most things in life, all depends how it is performed.

[indiscriminate_hater]

powerleveling's classic

[PDX0621]

Also who PL's a necro?

THIS GUY!

Wait, what...?

[zanderklocke]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112829

2 years ahead of you Swish!

Also Cecily I don't think you are wrong per se, but most of those powerlevelers are trying to hold down 10 camps at once anyway.

It's weird to me to think that I spent over 2 years on this server just farming plat to best in slot one level 60 character. Can't decide if it was a waste of time or not.

[kaev]

It's weird to me to think that I spent over 2 years on this server just farming plat to best in slot one level 60 character. Can't decide if it was a waste of time or not.

And now you can poopsock DKP for another two years. More hours, but fewer of those RSI-inducing keystrokes. And, of course, while you're not permitted to have any fun playing the game, there are pixels! Ain't life grand!

[Herp]

9+ Asgard rolled into Mistmoore once and started AOEing the entire zone despite there being a Pond, Courtyard, and Castle Entrance group. When their officers ignored my requests, Sirken took care of them.

So yes, its not allowed if you are disrupting the hell out of other people in the zone. And if somebody comes and wants to establish a camp when you are pulling the zone, you need to comply.

[Rheaume]

Agreed, we shouldn't need hard/written rules...but in lawyerquest spirit, if it's not strictly against the rules some people will do what they like.

Do whatcha like, unless you like gang-bangin'. We'll see how many brothers leave us hangin'.

[applesauce25r624]

so many amateur lawyer poser wannabes

we need Juntsie

[Portasaurus]

we need Juntsie

JUNTSIE

Where are you?

I miss you. We need you. This place is a lawless shit show these days without you!

At the very least can someone roll the sexiest human male model, name it Bobloblaw and just get on with it?

[Ennewi]

Another way of looking at it though is, if PLers are taking all of the mobs in popular zones than that deterrent could cause players to migrate over to the less forgiving zones and have better learning experiences, nevermind the ZEM. Really though, MM groups are so commonplace that people end up missing out on so much content. Would be a nice side effect if there were consistent PUGs in Runnyeye, Dalnir, Kedge and the like. #ihaveadream

But yeah, pain and suffering to the PLer that rushes in and shoots all the buffalo...

[captnamazing]

JUNTSIE

At the very least can someone roll the sexiest human male model, name it Bobloblaw and just get on with it?

please lord

[am0n]

Another way of looking at it though is, if PLers are taking all of the mobs in popular zones than that deterrent could cause players to migrate over to the less forgiving zones and have better learning experiences, nevermind the ZEM. Really though, MM groups are so commonplace that people end up missing out on so much content. Would be a nice side effect if there were consistent PUGs in Runnyeye, Dalnir, Kedge and the like. #ihaveadream

But yeah, pain and suffering to the PLer that rushes in and shoots all the buffalo...

I'd gladly go to another zone to level. Doesn't even have to be the most efficient, as long as it's fun (and nostalgic). I noticed CT was empty yesterday. It made me cry. I guess I'm going to be there all by my lonesome once I can solo those lizards.

[Rararboker]

People go to CT occasionally. The mobs healing each other through walls makes them leave and never come back.

[am0n]

Well, if more people went, those mobs would be too dead to heal through the wall!

I suggest more people go to CT.

[TarukShmaruk]

No reason p99 staff can't do higher ZEMs for underpopped zones like CT

Coming from Rallos there are a lot of zones here that nobody ever really did on live. Mistmoore was basically just the pond entrance and maybe GY and nobody ever went into the castle.

I never saw anyone doing much UGuk - certainly not locking down a scryer camp with an appropriately leveled group or anything.

But yeah the CT healing is annoying

[Mojo24]

Lol if I saw someone pulling that dick move I'd just log into another toon and claim the valley, since its technically not part of the pond camp.

That asshole druid and noob necro that can't solo would have a total of 7 spawns.

[citizen1080]

I used to PL all the time on my Druid years ago. Have not done one PL in more than a year. :cool:

There is just too many people on now not to piss off a bunch of people doing it. No more, but Velious opening maybe a different story for awhile. :p

I used to AOE kite in CoM on my bard...would be maybe 1 other person in there with me....those were the days =(

[Champion_Standing]

Ban all PLing. It's as big of a conduit for RMT as account sales were.

[Portasaurus]

ban logging in

[Sorock]

Swish I enjoyed the music for your video. thanks~

[picklefixer]

It had been a while since i played a lowbie toon...ran my little lvl 3 paly to crush this past Saturday evening (eastern time/prime time) just for shits and giggles.

Waddaya know, there's a lvl 39ish doosh druid pwr'lvling his lvl 8 guild mate by killing all the low lvl orcs around the beginning area of Crushbone. There was several lvl appropriate people in the zone that would have enjoyed killing those mobs.

And make no mistake, if i could remember the name of the guild i would post it.

<Insert SweetAss Sig Here>
Mrtiwg

[TarukShmaruk]

A simple rule would be leveling groups get priority over someone power leveling.

Power leveling can be done anywhere - ZEM isn't even necessary because it's all about kill rate with little to no downtime.

Generally it's not even a problem except in certain zones like MM where the entire entrance area gets shut out by someone like in the OP. Level 20s really can't go much deeper.

[Swish]

Swish I enjoyed the music for your video. thanks~

<3


Generally it's not even a problem except in certain zones like MM where the entire entrance area gets shut out by someone like in the OP. Level 20s really can't go much deeper.

That's basically it :/

[Portasaurus]

It's stupid that dark elf parts don't drop in Mistmoore.

There I said it.

[Monty405]

Bring on Re99 where everyone will be new again

[DarthMartigan]

It's stupid that dark elf parts don't drop in Mistmoore.

There I said it.

I am still frustrated that the halfling swashbuckler in FV doesn't drop halfling parts...

[fishingme]

This is one of those cases that people should police themselves rather than having a GM enforced rule.

What they're doing isn't against the rules, but it is a huge dick move.

Don't petition them, just remember who the involved parties are and don't associate with them in the future. This isn't World of Warcraft where you queue up for a dungeon instance comprised of people from all of the servers; this is one server and reputation matters.

It is against the rules to disrupt a zone with Pling. All dungeons have split camps, think of it as the united states boundary lines, that's how it is with camps and mobs. It's against the rules to monopolize the zones. For example, unrest, 2nd floor is a camp and MR/1st floor is a camp, if a PLer is pulling first floor, he can't pull from 2nd due to it being camped. What i've seen the most is bards pulling upper guk and disrupting zones/camps there because the bard starts pull around lguk zoneline, which there's tons of different camps that are normally camped with these bards pulling from the camps which is camp stealing.

[kined]

Generally it's not even a problem except in certain zones like MM where the entire entrance area gets shut out by someone like in the OP. Level 20s really can't go much deeper.

so what? go somewhere else. if 2 people can hold down a whole camp then its their camp and you have to go somewhere else, the same as if the group was full. seems the same to me as if you came up with a group to kick a solo'er out because you think your group is more important. get their first or wait. you aren't special and neither is the PL'er. same rules for everyone.

[Swish]

If 2-3 separate PL'ing groups were operating in MM at the same time and you wanted to XP there kined I don't think you'd see it with quite as much impartiality.

[kined]

except i completely would. i go to MM or KC or CoM and find camps full all the time, i would view it as the exact same scenario. i would get slightly annoyed that all the camps were full/taken, but thats part of the game.

[curtischoy]

I used to camp exe/sav/cav/sage/ass/sup with a 4 man exp group (all level appropriate for those camps) and maybe twice did anyone get upset with us, and then we just gave them ass/sup. What is the difference between us and the PLer? Nothing.

But if a PLer did this, people would flip out and petition like crazy. When really, there is no difference at all. It is a camp (in this case 5 camps, counting ass/sup as 1) and it should be treated the same no matter who is camping it.

That being said, I hate it when a spot it taken by a PLer, but they have just as much of a right to be there as I do.

I cannot stand Donald Trump for many reasons, one of which is what he recently said about Mexicans, but he has every right to say it.

[Swish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTkDxE2IZlE

Twice in 2 days - Unrest!

[Chrysus]

You sure spend a lot of time telling everyone else how they should play an ancient video game, on a server you say you don't even play on.

[Swish]

You sure spend a lot of time telling everyone else how they should play an ancient video game, on a server you say you don't even play on.

Sorry that you're mad. I still have friends on blue, I still log in to rez people whose streams I watch, mess with alts etc. So wow, I'm not allowed to enjoy trying to get a group in zones that are usually busy and groupable? This is bad for the server's health - new players come to P99 to relive and replay their Classic EQ experiences... but find powerleveling in these zones, people geared to the teeth, fat with platinum dropping big amounts on getting leveled.

You want to defend that?

Did you know you can play red and blue at the same time? I guess you didn't.

[Monty405]

Bring us Re99

[cryonie]

Was in unrest also yesterday during this PL session.
They were at entrance and pulling even from MR/
MR was camped (by us), we asked not to take our mobs because we had downtimes waiting for repop but they continued.

[kined]

Sorry that you're mad. I still have friends on blue, I still log in to rez people whose streams I watch, mess with alts etc. So wow, I'm not allowed to enjoy trying to get a group in zones that are usually busy and groupable? This is bad for the server's health - new players come to P99 to relive and replay their Classic EQ experiences... but find powerleveling in these zones, people geared to the teeth, fat with platinum dropping big amounts on getting leveled.

You want to defend that?



uh, yeah i do want to defend that. its called progressing in the game.... people were geared to the teeth and powerleveling for most of my time leveling and for most other people on this server as well. you don't get to hop into something years late and expect everyone to still be working from scratch... this game will never be classic because everyone is just too damn efficient at it now, and trying to nitpick everything to have the same atmosphere is just gonna dissapoint everyone.

[Swish]

uh, yeah i do want to defend that. its called progressing in the game.... people were geared to the teeth and powerleveling for most of my time leveling and for most other people on this server as well.

"most" implies that you mean over 50% at least. That many people get powerleveled now? Is that right? Even if that is true, is that classic and should it be encouraged?

you don't get to hop into something years late and expect everyone to still be working from scratch...

Maybe not, but people do it on red all the time and arguably it's more classic to build from scratch than to drop 120k on a SK twink (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202867) (thread in the tank section).

this game will never be classic because everyone is just too damn efficient at it now, and trying to nitpick everything to have the same atmosphere is just gonna dissapoint everyone.

It'll never be classic, but that doesn't mean people should powerlevel in zones where people are trying to group up and play in the classic style.

Should new players just give up then? They've got no plat and it's their own fault that they found the server in 2015 not 2009... right?



You're not defending powerleveling in popular zones very well kined.

[Swish]

Was in unrest also yesterday during this PL session.
They were at entrance and pulling even from MR/
MR was camped (by us), we asked not to take our mobs because we had downtimes waiting for repop but they continued.

Makes it hard to enjoy leveling doesn't it? Maybe we should all just ask for instant 50 or 60, that's what everyone wants? Think of all that PL cash you'd save Kined.

[Monty405]

Having started a few months ago in P1999 with nothing to my name I understand the frustration.

Though I think its inevitable that the server will come to this after a period of time. I am sure the amount of Power Leveling and Twinking back in 2004-2005 somewhat resembles what we are seeing today after years of having the servers first online (three - four? years ago).

I know we can never fully recreate the classic experience since we know the game inside out as we have all grown and matured (questionable) over the years. Having a new recycle server system is the next closest thing we can do to creating a classic experience (which is the whole point of the P1999 project, is it not?).

[justin2090]

It seems to me like ZEM is the real problem here.

[rciv]

Anyone have a good level range guide on low pop PL zones?

[Bboboo]

It seems to me like ZEM is the real problem here.

ZEM is pointless if the person is getting capped exp per kill.

[Jimjam]

Makes it hard to enjoy leveling doesn't it? Maybe we should all just ask for instant 50 or 60, that's what everyone wants? Think of all that PL cash you'd save Kined.

Hey, that's practically what red asked wanted and got :P

[captnamazing]

BACK IN MY DAY WE HAD TO WALK UPHILL, IN THE SNOW, BOTH WAYS TO GET OUR POWERLEVELS U YOUNGINS GOT IT EZ

[Tahlvin]

I feel like if you can go to a lesser populated zone you should by default anyway because you won't have as many contested spawns.

I really feel this falls into the realm of courtesy. But technically powerlevellers have just as much right to the zone as you do.

High levels farming green mobs for loot could also be said to fall under the same realm when someone else could get XP killing the same creature.

[DeadlyReza]

As is with every post about should or shouldn't, the answer is always "you can, just don't be a dick" whenever I was in a built up zone like unrest or MM and there was a PLer, they would always invite others to join in, it makes it way more fun and you are helping the community, I remember when I would PL guildies, we would end up with a full group in seconds and pretty much just clear the camp and have a chat :P

everyone can play nice, if you really want to zerg PL, then go to another zone, because if you interrupt others then you are gonna have a bad time.

[JurisDictum]

I used to camp exe/sav/cav/sage/ass/sup with a 4 man exp group (all level appropriate for those camps) and maybe twice did anyone get upset with us, and then we just gave them ass/sup. What is the difference between us and the PLer? Nothing.

But if a PLer did this, people would flip out and petition like crazy. When really, there is no difference at all. It is a camp (in this case 5 camps, counting ass/sup as 1) and it should be treated the same no matter who is camping it.

That being said, I hate it when a spot it taken by a PLer, but they have just as much of a right to be there as I do.

I cannot stand Donald Trump for many reasons, one of which is what he recently said about Mexicans, but he has every right to say it.

The difference is power leveling is done for the benefit for 1 player and not 4. Also, the power leveling duo (which is how it is usually done), is presumed to have a lot more resources, game knowledge, and --most importantly -- options.

Edit: I used to run with a static group in LGuk...and we still got people harassing us/trying to steal the frenzied camp. So I'm not so sure if it has much to do with PLing.

I have met people on this server that came here with a 60 friend that PLed them and got them into a raiding guild....honestly those people don't wtf their talking about it when discussing leveling etiquette. Anyone else should know better than defend this duchebag practice.
It's not even like you cant go to unrest....just don't do it prime PST/EST..especially not friday/sat night like I've seen.

I look at PL as one of those stupid classic mechanics that this server is too nostalgic to get rid of. Along with hybrid penalties, lack of a bazaar, and "multi-questing" (the real reason the raid scene was garbage).