TMO declared dead on Red99.

[MEGANS LAW]

I, High Priest (MEGANS LAW) have decided that due to TMO's lack of leadership ingame, lack of necessary PVP kills and zero dragons slain in Velious, that they are now declared dead on Red99.

They fought valiently but the Empire of Smaug was too terrible and powerful for them.

All members of TMO that isn't Alarti is encouraged to apply at www.empirer99.com to join the pixel festivities.

Thank you and Smaug Bless.

[Stasis01]

Couldn't take the heat for a few months and that wasn't even that bad - they never contested once.

The great big bad TMO, we won blue were so good blah blah.

Not impressed.

[Swish]

Credit rating agency downgraded them already? This is bad news.

[Anaesthetic]

Should be in RnF

[Sektor]

Should be in RnF

[SamwiseRed]

Couldn't take the heat for a few months and that wasn't even that bad - they never contested once.

The great big bad TMO, we won blue were so good blah blah.

Not impressed.

A lot of people, including you, couldn't take the heat when losing either. Instead of quitting though, you just joined the opposition and talked trash about anyone else trying to contest. This is a trend that pretty much all VZTZers and past box "legends" follow. I woudl really like to know how those smaller population boxes with hacks and shit running rampant had more competition than the anti-hax 300 pop box we have here. What was their secret? Are most vets just burnt out on pvp and just want to raid?

[MEGANS LAW]

http://i.imgur.com/zgsRgpl.jpg

[magician]

I, Engelburt the Dragonslayer (High Guard to the Council) have decided that due to TMO's lack of leadership ingame, lack of necessary PVP kills and zero dragons slain in Velious, that they are now declared dead on Red99.

They fought valiently but the Empire of Smaug was too terrible and powerful for them.

All members of TMO that isn't Alarti is encouraged to apply at www.empirer99.com to join the pixel festivities.

Thank you and Smaug Bless.

[Alarti0001]

http://i.imgur.com/zgsRgpl.jpg

Would think you to be accurate you'd show the Persian horde as Empire.. unless you are saying Empire actually operates with 300 members. Guess I can see either way.

In further news... server pop back down to 300 peak.

[SamwiseRed]

http://i.imgur.com/zgsRgpl.jpg

There are two Colgates in that pic. You implying he's boxing m8? Reported.

[MEGANS LAW]

There are two Colgates in that pic. You implying he's boxing m8? Reported.

fuck u got me

[Alarti0001]

TMO making gains... Agatha patrolling the forums. GG

[Tradesonred]

Lecture people more about who you let in a guild

[Uuruk]

TMO making gains... Agatha patrolling the forums. GG

You have 12 people on at 8pm est. Your guild is dead.

[Kaahbal]

A lot of people, including you, couldn't take the heat when losing either. Instead of quitting though, you just joined the opposition and talked trash about anyone else trying to contest. This is a trend that pretty much all VZTZers and past box "legends" follow. I woudl really like to know how those smaller population boxes with hacks and shit running rampant had more competition than the anti-hax 300 pop box we have here. What was their secret? Are most vets just burnt out on pvp and just want to raid?

Most of active leaders in VZTZ started playing together but split up pretty early and then the different cores of guild managements kept solid through entire VZTZ with wildcards guilds at times like Salty and his <Fish Bait> And Searyx and his <Tallon Zek Times>.

There was also a healthy level of small crews rolling around, and the fact that people could twobox if they wanted to made guilds only having to recruit a solid 15-20 people total since that would equal 30-40.

Bottom line guild cores never bent over and joined the opposition. And there was never ever one guild that would control an entire repopcycle. Every single raidtarget was PVP'd for.

Thats the problem here. People get discouraged if they lose once, and neckbeards only follow the loot.

I have still never understod why Empire claim that Lite made them go all Nihilum on things, in my eyes Lite has always been a weak character without any leadership qualities.

[Kaahbal]

Also VZTZ was easy exp because it was beneficial for PVP and helped new guilds contest. People could get to 60 quickly after starting and the only gaps were gear and not also levels.

[Alarti0001]

You have 12 people on at 8pm est. Your guild is dead.

LOL guess you don't understand how anon works. Your brain is dead.

[Uuruk]

LOL guess you don't understand how anon works. Your brain is dead.

Your guild is dead as fuck. Your brain is dead.

[Kaahbal]

Empire celebrating that the only shot at opposition would be dead.

Cringeworthy

[Alarti0001]

Empire celebrating that the only shot at opposition would be dead.

Cringeworthy

blue guild is blue

[Eslade]

^
mad bad sad

[Alarti0001]

^
mad bad sad

^blue blue blue

[grannock]

We are red bro, come contest and see for yourself.

[Ragnaros]

Kunark well and alive, we killed vs with like 10 last week tmo can easily contest

[Zeelot]

TMO is alive and well. There's no way we're currently able to contest Empire with the number of players in that guild. We're just doing our thing and enjoying time on Red when we play.

The reason you don't see the leadership around all the time is because we are all functioning members of society with good jobs. ;)

It's not healthy to hate on a guild due to lack of neckbeards! We're just here to have a good time. Feel free to keep trying to get rid of us though, not sure why you Empire folks want us off the server so badly. I think the box is more fun with more people to populate zones for more pvp.

[Stasis01]

Well you guys were like 30 nightly now you're down to like 6-10 during peak times.

I guess that's why people think you've fallen apart. That and the fact that we smashed you so many times in the last week.

[Sosa_Chamberlain]

TMO is alive and well. There's no way we're currently able to contest Empire with the number of players in that guild. We're just doing our thing and enjoying time on Red when we play.

The reason you don't see the leadership around all the time is because we are all functioning members of society with good jobs. ;)

It's not healthy to hate on a guild due to lack of neckbeards! We're just here to have a good time. Feel free to keep trying to get rid of us though, not sure why you Empire folks want us off the server so badly. I think the box is more fun with more people to populate zones for more pvp.

http://i.imgur.com/5PLe2sy.jpg

[magician]

why do you post here you don't play

hehe

[Malevz]

http://m.memegen.com/q95taq.jpg

[Seltius]

TMO is alive and well. There's no way we're currently able to contest Empire with the number of players in that guild. We're just doing our thing and enjoying time on Red when we play.

The reason you don't see the leadership around all the time is because we are all functioning members of society with good jobs. ;)

It's not healthy to hate on a guild due to lack of neckbeards! We're just here to have a good time. Feel free to keep trying to get rid of us though, not sure why you Empire folks want us off the server so badly. I think the box is more fun with more people to populate zones for more pvp.

Zee I resent this I had started to grow my beard out in honor of all the neckbeard comments and was starting to play regularly late into the evening when I should have been in bed.. Now I guess ill have to shave again and start answering my door and phone in the evening and get to bed at a respectable hour! jk Old people like me don't have social lives especially so far from any good bingo and shuffleboard games.

TMO still alive and well you haven't crushed us. Sure some new members and apps have left but that seems like the history of this server. Its probably pretty rare for older server members to have not worn 2 or 3 guild tags in the time its been around. I respect the people that left out of loyalty to friends. I don't respect the people that thought they would join and take over or bailed because the pixels weren't flowing to them easily enough. We don't offer pixel recruitment packages or loot promises. But I suspect those people are easily identifiable due to a history of it and probably will remain guildless unless they start their own guild. /sigh sorry the ramblings of an old man.

[Eslade]

Zee I resent this I had started to grow my beard out in honor of all the neckbeard comments and was starting to play regularly late into the evening when I should have been in bed.. Now I guess ill have to shave again and start answering my door and phone in the evening and get to bed at a respectable hour! jk Old people like me don't have social lives especially so far from any good bingo and shuffleboard games.

TMO still alive and well you haven't crushed us. Sure some new members and apps have left but that seems like the history of this server. Its probably pretty rare for older server members to have not worn 2 or 3 guild tags in the time its been around. I respect the people that left out of loyalty to friends. I don't respect the people that thought they would join and take over or bailed because the pixels weren't flowing to them easily enough. We don't offer pixel recruitment packages or loot promises. But I suspect those people are easily identifiable due to a history of it and probably will remain guildless unless they start their own guild. /sigh sorry the ramblings of an old man.

replace don't with can't.

[Alarti0001]

We are red bro, come contest and see for yourself.

100 v 30 isn't red. Sorry if you were lied to

[Eslade]

100 v 30 isn't red. Sorry if you were lied to

What server did you come from? It's not empire's fault that you tried to run your guild like this was blue where you only had to hit a mob first to claim it. you still have to worry about the other guild coming in and taking it. running with a skeleton crew doesn't work here.

tldr shouldn't have booted so many people.

[Tuljin]

http://m.memegen.com/q95taq.jpg

I'm so glad you guys get to see what a Bluebie guild propaganda spin team looks like lolol this pic is right on

[Pikrib]

I, High Priest (MEGANS LAW) have decided that due to TMO's lack of leadership ingame, lack of necessary PVP kills and zero dragons slain in Velious, that they are now declared dead on Red99.

They fought valiently but the Empire of Smaug was too terrible and powerful for them.

All members of TMO that isn't Alarti is encouraged to apply at www.empirer99.com to join the pixel festivities.

Thank you and Smaug Bless.

I, Engelburt the Dragonslayer (High Guard to the Council) have decided that due to TMO's lack of leadership ingame, lack of necessary PVP kills and zero dragons slain in Velious, that they are now declared dead on Red99.

They fought valiently but the Empire of Smaug was too terrible and powerful for them.

All members of TMO that isn't Alarti is encouraged to apply at www.empirer99.com to join the pixel festivities.

Thank you and Smaug Bless.

Cringing valiently :D

[Red_Psyphon]

of course they can't pixel package apps they've barely been on the server compared to the rest of you losers hehe.



btw eslade is a massive nutrider.

[Tuljin]

TMO came over to Red thinking that just by a propaganda campaign by Tiggles and opening up recruitment for people to think they had a chance at becoming a part of their inner circle to get some phatz would be enough for them to have a legion of neckbeards ready to batphone at a moments notice just so the inner circle can get geared up first and they'd easily roll in and be "competitive"

Little did they know Red PvP and Blue Forumquest PvP are vastly different lol its alrite they can come back to blue and "merge" with another bunch of nubs or just try what they tried on Red except this time without an entire guild of geared toons that has heard everything about their bullshit and completely ready and willing to push their shit in completely

[magician]

tkx 4 comment

[Crazycloud]

TMO didn't learn from freshs mistakes.

BETRAY THE EMPIRE AND U WILL SUFFER

[Fael]

"They fought valiently but the Empire of Smaug was too terrible and powerful for them."

It is hard to describe the feeling of fighting the force that Empire brought to the fight on opening night of velly. Their force was 4-5x larger with 10x the gear and experience.

We fought 25 against 40 in East Karana, only to zone in to North Karana to find 40 more waiting. Quick evacuation to Steam font and there was still another 20 there.

Mass desertion and betrayal didn't help much either.

I imagine it kinda felt like being Iraqi soldier during the US invasion.

If i was a little more immersed, I would have gotten PTSD.

[Ella`Ella]

"They fought valiently but the Empire of Smaug was too terrible and powerful for them."

It is hard to describe the feeling of fighting the force that Empire brought to the fight on opening night of velly. Their force was 4-5x larger with 10x the gear and experience.

We fought 25 against 40 in East Karana, only to zone in to North Karana to find 40 more waiting. Quick evacuation to Steam font and there was still another 20 there.

Mass desertion and betrayal didn't help much either.

I imagine it kinda felt like being Iraqi soldier during the US invasion.

If i was a little more immersed, I would have gotten PTSD.

You realize that this situation is identical to TMO vs FE on blue. The only difference is PvP. FE adapted and I believe TMOred can do the same.

[daasgoot]

You realize that this situation is identical to TMO vs FE on blue. The only difference is PvP. FE adapted and I believe TMOred can do the same.

TMOred or any other guild can not and will not ever take the #1 spot from empire.. unless empire is disbanded by staff.

its just math

[Uton]

TMOred or any other guild can not and will not ever take the #1 spot from empire.. unless empire is disbanded by staff.

its just math

Groot - you better keep a lid on that talk before we get bored of Ntov and come take your kunark mobs

[Fael]

You realize that this situation is identical to TMO vs FE on blue. The only difference is PvP. FE adapted and I believe TMOred can do the same.

Some major differences:

As groot pointed out, the GM Staff intervened to create a paradigm that allowed other guilds to flourish, where before they could not (rotations). In a way, long variances was its own sort of PVP, but real PVP is much harder to overcome. Real pvp you need an army to compete. Mass variance you just need a handful of complete and utter neck beards.

Even then, the idea of FE adapting is kinda invalid. FE joint raided with IB to "adapt." And then, of course, FE merged into TMOblue.

[Pikrib]

Groot - you better keep a lid on that talk before we get bored of Ntov and come take your kunark mobs

Bluepire get bored of pve?





Lawl

[grannock]

TMOred or any other guild can not and will not ever take the #1 spot from empire.. unless empire is disbanded by staff.

its just math

Its called loyalty, actually.

[daasgoot]

Its called loyalty, actually.

omg, funniest shit i have seen in a while

loyalty

lol

holy shit

[daasgoot]

Groot - you better keep a lid on that talk before we get bored of Ntov and come take your kunark mobs

naw dawg, turns out im still doin classic mobs

maybe next year

[Pikrib]

Its called loyalty, actually.

I didn't know cuppin the balls of whomever could provide you pixels was called loyalty? ;)

[grannock]

omg, funniest shit i have seen in a while

loyalty

lol

holy shit

How many guilds you been taged under in the past 3 months, its just math.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

They're loyal to pixels...

[grannock]

I didn't know cuppin the balls of whomever could provide you pixels was called loyalty? ;)

Its true, colgate killed the dragons in ntov solo and we just roll on lewts.

[daasgoot]

Its true, colgate killed the dragons in ntov solo and we just roll on lewts.

was loyal to azrael til disband, will be in slosh till disband

[daasgoot]

meant to quote other post, but u get the gist


pikrib is right though, the majority of people are loyal to the pixels, not the guild.


i don't have a problem with it though, doesn't matter to me if empire is a guild or isn't, if they have 10 people or 500.. ill be sloshin with my slosh pals till the end.

loyalty to friends is a very different loyalty than loyalty to pixels.

[Eslade]

of course they can't pixel package apps they've barely been on the server compared to the rest of you losers hehe.



btw eslade is a massive nutrider.

Naw, more pals in empire than tmo and I can't help that blue pos guild tmo get a foot hold on red and sleep at night. would rather burn the place down than help them.

Pras the Empire for purifying the server of invading blue filth.

[Pikrib]

Naw, more pals in empire than tmo and I can't help that blue pos guild tmo get a foot hold on red and sleep at night. would rather burn the place down than help them.

Pras the Empire for purifying the server of invading blue filth.

Dude you know they were responsible for bringing them over right?

[Eslade]

Dude you know they were responsible for bringing them over right?

very aware. they weren't responsible for a bunch of other guilds crumbling and joining with the bluest retards this server has even seen. if tmo didn't absorb the other resistance guilds I would have never joined empire and kept going the way I usually do. glad that I made the right choice and am among pals.

[Ella`Ella]

Some major differences:

As groot pointed out, the GM Staff intervened to create a paradigm that allowed other guilds to flourish, where before they could not (rotations). In a way, long variances was its own sort of PVP, but real PVP is much harder to overcome. Real pvp you need an army to compete. Mass variance you just need a handful of complete and utter neck beards.

Even then, the idea of FE adapting is kinda invalid. FE joint raided with IB to "adapt." And then, of course, FE merged into TMOblue.

Your history is a bit off. FE didn't always joint raid with IB. We had our first VP kill that we took from TMO solo. We also had you guys on your knees for a couple months until Daddy Zeelot had to come back.

You also had an army of 3x the players and the skill than we did. We were still able to do significantly more with less. And yes, FE did merge with TMO after FE and IB broke up (the same alliance that dismantled TMO). TMO would have collapsed much sooner had they not merged - Both guilds were effectively dead.

You need to have some faith and play some politics.

[Pikrib]

very aware.


and

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqniu9yKZ41qg39ewo1_500.gif

[grannock]

meant to quote other post, but u get the gist


pikrib is right though, the majority of people are loyal to the pixels, not the guild.


i don't have a problem with it though, doesn't matter to me if empire is a guild or isn't, if they have 10 people or 500.. ill be sloshin with my slosh pals till the end.

loyalty to friends is a very different loyalty than loyalty to pixels.

You are completely wrong. The core in empire, just like any legit mmo guild, is loyal to eachother. We are good pals who help out and know that if you have teamwork and you a foster a fun group enviroment for everyone, pixels are always the result.

What you are claiming is like saying rich people are happy because they are rich, when the reality is, you find something you enjoy and are good at, you will prolly get rich as a result.

Goot, maybe if the snout and the sweeds could have actually gotten on the same page 4 months ago we would have some competition at the moment, but alas, no loyalty in each other.

[Pikrib]

Your history is a bit off. FE didn't always joint raid with IB. We had our first VP kill that we took from TMO solo. We also had you guys on your knees for a couple months until Daddy Zeelot had to come back.

You also had an army of 3x the players and the skill than we did. We were still able to do significantly more with less. And yes, FE did merge with TMO after FE and IB broke up (the same alliance that dismantled TMO). TMO would have collapsed much sooner had they not merged - Both guilds were effectively dead.

You need to have some faith and play some politics.

Edalse is guilded with the blue person who wrote this.

yikes!

[Alarti0001]

Your history is a bit off. FE didn't always joint raid with IB. We had our first VP kill that we took from TMO solo. We also had you guys on your knees for a couple months until Daddy Zeelot had to come back.

You also had an army of 3x the players and the skill than we did. We were still able to do significantly more with less. And yes, FE did merge with TMO after FE and IB broke up (the same alliance that dismantled TMO). TMO would have collapsed much sooner had they not merged - Both guilds were effectively dead.

You need to have some faith and play some politics.

Unbrella has a problem with facts and basic rational thinking. FE won a few targets for a period of three months. Never did you get more kills than TMO unless you counted Maestro's Draco's which TMO didn't care about or even batphone for years.

If you started taking PD's you might have seen a response. FE wasn't beating TMO... FE was beating loot fat people who were tired of playing and just waiting (For years) for velious to come out. Basically super interested people (FE) took a few mobs from super disinterested people(TMO).

Other very huge differences from red to blue.
Population. TMO could at least replenish ranks from the 1500 or so active blue players... and our raid force hardly exceeded 30-50 players.
FTE was the raid rule so even a weaker guild had a viable chance of getting a kill. Outnumbered or not.

On red with PvP you need to have numbers more than anything. Empire is raiding with more than double TMO's raids. Peak population on Red isn't 1500 its around 300 now so less recruits. Empire is raiding with about 1/3 of the total Red population at any given time. A small guild has little to no chance because they don't have the resources(players) to compete. There isn't a fte mechanic and any force a small guild brings can be overwhelmed by the zerg.
If you factor in that a vast majority of red isn't even interested in competitive raiding and the ones that are divided into multiple camps you end up with a very small group to work with.

Politics doesn't fix this because the inherent problem is most of the server just wants to join the loot train or doesn't have the time to compete anyways.

In the near future red is likely going to crash because Velious is the end game of the server. Once the players in Empire get a few of the items they want, kill AoW and Wake the sleeper there will be 0 reason to play here.

Sound like fun?

[Eslade]

Edalse is guilded with the blue person who wrote this.

yikes!

<3

you really don't want to start quoting blue shit from tmo members do you?

[Colgate]

not reading that dissertation

[Uuruk]

Unbrella has a problem with facts and basic rational thinking. FE won a few targets for a period of three months. Never did you get more kills than TMO unless you counted Maestro's Draco's which TMO didn't care about or even batphone for years.

If you started taking PD's you might have seen a response. FE wasn't beating TMO... FE was beating loot fat people who were tired of playing and just waiting (For years) for velious to come out. Basically super interested people (FE) took a few mobs from super disinterested people(TMO).

Other very huge differences from red to blue.
Population. TMO could at least replenish ranks from the 1500 or so active blue players... and our raid force hardly exceeded 30-50 players.
FTE was the raid rule so even a weaker guild had a viable chance of getting a kill. Outnumbered or not.

On red with PvP you need to have numbers more than anything. Empire is raiding with more than double TMO's raids. Peak population on Red isn't 1500 its around 300 now so less recruits. Empire is raiding with about 1/3 of the total Red population at any given time. A small guild has little to no chance because they don't have the resources(players) to compete. There isn't a fte mechanic and any force a small guild brings can be overwhelmed by the zerg.
If you factor in that a vast majority of red isn't even interested in competitive raiding and the ones that are divided into multiple camps you end up with a very small group to work with.

Politics doesn't fix this because the inherent problem is most of the server just wants to join the loot train or doesn't have the time to compete anyways.

In the near future red is likely going to crash because Velious is the end game of the server. Once the players in Empire get a few of the items they want, kill AoW and Wake the sleeper there will be 0 reason to play here.

Sound like fun?
why would empire wake the sleeper? No reason to stop the pixel flows since you fay gates can't even field 30 people for a raid.

[Uuruk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtW6HW8jO_U

[Eslade]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/80119/flatline-o.gif

[Uuruk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRkP-rplNjs

[Eslade]

please stop

[Malevz]

Can't empire see they are destroying the server by killing vindi and two/three dragons in velious every day. If they would just take a day off, and leave these up, it would... give them a day off, and these mobs would stay up. And the server would be saved.

[Uuruk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGy-5to56LE

[Gnomegrown2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGy-5to56LE

only suburban white kids would listen to this

[Uton]

not reading that dissertation

[Tradesonred]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGy-5to56LE

So there is something worse than Nikki Minaj...

[Sektor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGy-5to56LE

love this link

[Tradesonred]

Its like a cross between vanilla ice, weird al yankovic and... Mr.T?

[Uton]

TMO is alive and well.

Zeelot's last NON trade hub post back on August 8th...

[miraclegrow2]

Anyone who invested any time or effort in these zergling no talent cocky shitbags deserved to have their time wasted.

Soon as they realized they would have to work to achieve anything they all quit, because when kids arent at the top they just give up

RIP

hope your cash outs went well

[Kerwin]

tmo is alive and well, more of a family type guild once you get to know everyone these guys are alot of fun, only other guild than empire currently doing Temple of veeshan so were not that dead

[Stalos_]

only other guild than empire currently doing Temple of veeshan so were not that dead

feels like deja vu, or do you just say this lots?