Druid Spell Breath of Ro

[Bokke]

Hey,

Breath of Ro has been giving the message "Your spell did not take hold" recently.
I did some testing and discovered if a target has Protection of the Glades then Breath of Ro will not take hold (it will still resist but if it passes the resist check then it wont take hold)

Cheers,

[Technique]

This isn't limited to BoR. Any spell with an AC debuff component in effect slot 1 (e.g., Fixation of Ro) is also blocked. This is due to a stacking rule
2003-11-05 11:11 Added Slot 5: Stacking: Block new spell if slot 1 is effect 'AC' and < 1080 (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhistory.html?id=1442&source=Live)which didn't exist during Velious, but does here because p99's spell file is populated with data from much later eras.

[Bokke]

This isn't limited to BoR. Any spell with an AC debuff component in effect slot 1 (e.g., Fixation of Ro) is also blocked. This is due to a stacking rule
which didn't exist during Velious, but does here because p99's spell file is populated with data from much later eras.

Ah thanks for the tip.

Hopefully it gets looked at. The large number of spell resists and small number of partial hits is already an issue - especially for druids (We should be getting way less resists and way more partials). Not being able to use Ro is pretty brutal.

[Mingo]

Can confirm this happened again today in RV against Metraq about 10 min ago.

[Farzo]

Yah it's annoying as hell.

[Doctor Jeff]

I don't mind.

[Colgate]

yea while you're at it make it so it isn't unresistable below 200 FR

[Bokke]

yea while you're at it make it so it isn't unresistable below 200 FR

Breath of Ro is definitely resisting. It's probably working closer to how FR spells should work right now than Scoriae or Wildfire is.

[Colgate]

i've been running around with ~150 FR for the past year

i have never resisted breath of ro

[Crazycloud]

i've been running around with ~150 FR for the past year

i have never resisted breath of ro

Quoted for truth.

Also the not take hold is also happening with other spells like OOS and bard snare. Its pretty weird.

[Bokke]

Ro would occasionally resist on live on the best geared targets, but almost never after a sundering.

A larger issue is the very large number of FR nuke resists and non partials. It seems the partial window is very small (like you go from full damage to full resist in the span of 40fr). On live you almost never saw a full damage nuke on a geared target, but you saw many low partials before a sundering, and 50%-80% partials after a sundering. Full resists were very rare. Same goes for mage nukes.

Personally I don't care of RO lands at all if FR nukes get fixed.

[vouss]

I've resisted plenty of B'ro's with about 180~, I feel like they land less then they are resisted.

[ducktv]

i've been running around with ~150 FR for the past year

i have never resisted breath of ro

idk, with a fire resist buff i chain resist breath of ro. but with ro's sundering both will land and i'll eat full scoraies, sunstrikes, etc. that's when i'm sitting at around 180FR

[Jeni]

Wizards in decent Kunark gear were able to easily resist Breath of Ro. I never looked for the exact threshold but Breath of Ro wouldn't ever land on Tyva.

[mischief419]

Breath of Ro is definitely resisting. It's probably working closer to how FR spells should work right now than Scoriae or Wildfire is.

Wrong. I've resisted 100% scoraie, 0% breath of ro.

BoR used to always be resisted on live, on both npcs and pc's, but NEVER resisted here.

[vouss]

wrong ^ resisted plenty of times @ 180, feel like it lands less then it is resisted. your not even level 60 yet?

[Liljon]

is this fixed?

[ducktv]

is this fixed?

not fixed yet. bump.

[Nirgon]

This and bane of nife could use a resist level required decrease of about 20.

[Jeni]

Debuffs in general should land at a higher rate than actual nukes. It is a really complicated concept but if a debuff spell is resisted at the same rate as a nuke then you would never need to cast the debuff because the fire nuke would have already landed at that level of resist. Hope this clears it all up.

However if anyone has a great memory from when they were 9 years old I'm sure some dev would probably take your word as gospel and adjust the resist levels to be more in line with what you remember from grade school.

[Colgate]

thanks for your opinion, i'll notify image and devnoob so that they will consider it on the next custom PvP server they choose to release in the future

[Jeni]

Speak of the devil! Had a feeling a post from you was going to be close behind mine.

[Nirgon]

I was 17 then and still remember my home address, phone number and teacher's names from high school. Not everyone is as forgetful as you might think
Some of us are capable of remembering things that long.

130 PR was more than enough for bane
160 fire was more than enough for breath of ro


As you were, Gump

[Jeni]

I was 17 then and still remember my home address, phone number and teacher's names from high school. Not everyone is as forgetful as you might think
Some of us are capable of remembering things that long.

130 PR was more than enough for bane
160 fire was more than enough for breath of ro


As you were, Gump

Thanks for your input I glad you are able to remember all those normal things. I can also remember my home address, phone number, and teachers names guess I am special too! What we need is more evidence to back up claims not this is how I remember it 15 years ago by either someone who doesn't pvp now and probably didn't pvp back then either.

The reason being is the current resist system is a result of you and Colgate talking to Haynar about what each spell should resist at. Anyone that played on a PvP server and was active will know our current resist system on this server is nothing close to live. I'd have to say based on this evidence that perhaps your memory on this subject isn't as perfect as you think it is and you have no idea what you are talking about.

You currently are not a PvPer and I highly doubt you were a PvPer back on live to the point where you would have tested and memorized every resist check. We got to this bad resist system because we listened to two players, one who doesn't pvp and one who was to young to possibly remember what the resists were. I would prefer if you could add some facts or evidence to the discussion since I actually play and pvp on this server and would like it to not be terrible.

Its nothing personal but not everyone trusts what you remember, not everyone trusts a politician, and not everyone trusts a drug dealer, so a better way to win an argument would be to add facts and evidence in support of your side.

[vouss]

I mained a raid geared BiS warrior back in zek in 01' and the current system is exactly how I remember things being.

And yes, I remember my home adress, phone number, and teacher's name from the time.

[Huelath]

I mained a raid geared BiS warrior back in zek in 01' and the current system is exactly how I remember things being.

And yes, I remember my home adress, phone number, and teacher's name from the time.

i remember my home address from the time

it was 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500

[Nirgon]

you can highly doubt whatever you want this system is a massive improvement

[Colgate]

i still can't figure out what point jeni is trying to make through all these essays

is it that he's upset with haynar for putting fixing the resist code midway through development on the backburner so that he could assist in finalizing the velious release?

does he want every nuke to be unresistable?

does he want roots, snares, stuns, and blinds to be able to land at 255 magic resist?

does he want song of highsun to be unresistable?

does he want targeted AE spells to have no range check at the end of cast?

does he want tstaff, skean, and windstriker procs to always last 18 seconds?

does he want rogue poisons to land on upwards of 200 poison resist?

does he want to remove the ability to "water dance" detrimental spells?

does he want armor class in PvP to mean absolutely nothing?

does he want resist debuffs to no longer have a 50% bonus applied?

does he want the ability to refresh spell gems via a clicky removed?



you can thank my 7 year old everquest judgment for contributing to the above bug fixes

[Jeni]

I actually already bolded the part of my essay highlighting the point I was trying to make, hopefully that helps clear up some confusion.

I don't want devs taking clueless people's word on changes with no factual evidence provided to back up their claims up.

[Colgate]

cool, do you have any factual evidence to support your notion that debuffs should land more easily than other spells?

or is your idea of factual evidence screenshotting the p99 wiki to determine the resist rate of the druid/paladin epic effects?

[Nirgon]

Yeah but I'm not clueless at all. I played and pvped a lot during that era. Ive contributed tons of threads and posts supporting nothing but a classic experience and almost all of it has been implemented very well. This server is easily a better classic experience than the daybreak servers now too. The changes here now are way closer to what they were on live. Where in any of the spell data does breath of ro supposedly deserve some kind of lure based check?

Debuffs like malise (but not malo/mala) were easy as shit to resist in PvP. I'm really not sure where you're getting this idea dude.

[vouss]

Well as long as Jeni remembers his high school teacher, address, and phone number that should be sufficient evidence.