PvP Guard Assist

[Rezyn]

PvP guard assist is not working in Skyshrine. ( Guessing it's also broken in Kael as well)

Guards don't assist at all, should be based on faction.

[Nirgon]

A missing piece in this functionality is that guards should also assist in attacking another player if the attacker has a higher faction level.

IE I am ally and attack someone dubious, the guards or NPCs otherwise should assist me in the attack.

BTW this is pretty awesome for druids in many zones when it works. More on that, if you charmed a bat in greater faydark on someone or a mob like the priest of discord, the guards would attack the bat's target.

This shit is classic.

[nilbog]

PvP guard assist is not working in Skyshrine. ( Guessing it's also broken in Kael as well)

Guards don't assist at all, should be based on faction.

pvp guard assist is added on a per npc basis. Will need to know which npcs should act as guards.

A missing piece in this functionality is that guards should also assist in attacking another player if the attacker has a higher faction level.


I thought this was already working?

[Nirgon]

No m'lord

This also really helps the feeling of immersion in the Velious faction wars and PvP

And per the bat charm on priest of discord it should work in pve too

[nilbog]

Alecta: [PvP] In PvP, Guards will be more assertive, will notice more detrimental spells, and are more likely to overlook aggression by their friends. Faction up.



also
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125698

[Nirgon]

In my example if I attacked a troll in Neriak on my dark elf, the guards should pound him.

This holds true for attacking a druid around friendly animals or in the Velious zones for appropriate NPCs.

Checking out your lank.


Edit: hmmm I will retest this but I'm very high Neriak faction and when I've attacked a troll SK in the caster guild I dont recall them assisting me. Thx for interest in this issue 8).

[Qtip]

Guard assist is just dumb. I attack a kos iksar necromancer in Nfp bank. The guards assist him and attack me(half elf enchanter). Really?

[Rezyn]

pvp guard assist is added on a per npc basis. Will need to know which npcs should act as guards.


Probably a good starter for 10:
select sg.name, npc.name from spawngroup sg,spawnentry se, npc_types npc
where sg.name like 'kael\\_%'
and se.spawngroupID = sg.id
and se.npcid = npc.id
and npc.name like '%Guard%' ;

select sg.name, npc.name from spawngroup sg,spawnentry se, npc_types npc
where sg.name like 'skyshrine\\_%'
and se.spawngroupID = sg.id
and se.npcid = npc.id
and npc.name like '%Guard%' or npc.name like 'Sentry%';

[Smedy]

Guard assist is just dumb. I attack a kos iksar necromancer in Nfp bank. The guards assist him and attack me(half elf enchanter). Really?

yeah i've tried to figure this shit out and everytime i attack someone i end up being the one attacked, i was under the impression that if i attack someone that has lower faction than me guards should not assist, if he attacks me back they will assist (me with higher faction) and if i attack someone with equal faction the guards don't assist at all

very anti pvp if the guards always assist the guy being attacked no matter what faction they have

[Grimjaw]

If I read Nirgons and others posts correctly, they are claiming that gaurds should be assisting the attacker. But that was never the case on live. Guards should only be assisting the guy who gets assaulted, and only if he has the higher faction. To say that the guard should assist you just because you hit someone is incorrect. Maybe if he had a DS on then that would provoke the guards - only when the guy with lower faction attacks is when guards should aggro him, not when he gets attacked

[Nirgon]

No this was the case

Look up killing priest of discord in gfay with charmed bat

Many times in Neriak bank an item loot was denied by the bank guard killing the victim

[Wrench]

was a classic exploit and lead to things like fansy killin everyone who came into rv

you promoting exploits?

[Colgate]

recharging is a classic exploit

[Qtip]

If someone is kos to the guards, the guards should attack him regardless. Also noticed if I dispell someone in grobb, guards willnt assist. But if I dispell someone in Nfp, guards will assist. Its so backwards and no two cities are the same.

[Nirgon]

How is winning the favor of a local militia and them joining me in battle an exploit

Make it classic yowl

Should we have the mob aggro and tether rules WoW has to prevent training? GROCE

[Somekid123]

I disagree with nirgon, if you implement faction assist that way it would have empire parking mobs at zoneline.. only way they get on upside of yt.

But to stay on topic I was in thurg max ally fighting another player max ally. Both could attack each other without guards assisting, we were all over the zone too. Is there a chance it's an ally faction issue?

[Nirgon]

lets not forget who parked bees on the sky port in

not empire

at any rate I'm not worried what one side or the other will do

[Grimjaw]

No this was the case

Look up killing priest of discord in gfay with charmed bat

Many times in Neriak bank an item loot was denied by the bank guard killing the victim

looked it up. those exploits were based on aggro lists bugs with charm - charming NPCs and getting them to attack a player, which would get players on their aggro list, then other NPC would assist that charmed NPC due to the aggro list.

Nothing to do with straight PvP like what you're implying - guards only aggro the attacker; not the guy who's just standing there getting hit by someone.

[Gustoo]

If I read Nirgons and others posts correctly, they are claiming that gaurds should be assisting the attacker. But that was never the case on live. Guards should only be assisting the guy who gets assaulted, and only if he has the higher faction. To say that the guard should assist you just because you hit someone is incorrect. Maybe if he had a DS on then that would provoke the guards - only when the guy with lower faction attacks is when guards should aggro him, not when he gets attacked


This is correct.

On live a max ally person could attack me when I sat at the guards. If I attack him, the guards would kill me.

Pretty positive two max allies the guards just did nothing.

With normal faction, the person doing the attacking would be killed by the guards just as if the person attacking was a bat or fire beetle. The guards keep the peace and if you were a non ally breaking the peace, you would be slain.

Until around velious maybe mid kunark or so, a mage could send his pet in to attack me, and the pet would not aggro, and I would be sitting rooted at the guards. If I attacked the pet, I would be killed. The guards disregarded the actions of the pet and would not aggro the pet owner.

This was patched so that the guards would run towards the pet owner if the pet was attacking a player in range of the guards.

In cities, nuke spells never aggroed guards unless you cast such spell within a guard aggro range.

Max ally could attack other players without fear of repercussion from the ally guards, and the guards would rush to assist the ally if the ally was attacked within guard aggro range by a non ally.


Additional note: I have no idea how things worked in Velious zones, just normal city zones. Kelethin, Felwithe, Kaladim, Rivervale specifically.

[Nirgon]

Well then please explain the why guards would get a killing blow when we bank ganked people that did not fight back

[Gustoo]

Probably they attacked guards to suicide.

Or they had damage shield.

What zone?

I mostly only did faydwer stuff + misty, seeing as how this stuff is so goof ball on P99, perhaps live zones were goofy in some areas too.

[Rezyn]

Probably they attacked guards to suicide.

Or they had damage shield.

What zone?

I mostly only did faydwer stuff + misty, seeing as how this stuff is so goof ball on P99, perhaps live zones were goofy in some areas too.


Item pulling and suiciding are specific to this server - born of an unclassic server wide yellow text message. I can't remember seeing it on live.

The way I remember it is:

Ally vs Ally = No Guard Assist
Ally vs Anything less than Ally = Guards assist the person with highest faction
Warmly vs Anything less than warmly = Guards assist the person with highest faction

etc...

You've worked hard on the battlefield to become a pillar of society, why wouldn't the guards help you?

[Grimjaw]

fyi item pulling & suiciding were HUGE on rallos to prevent losing said items. no killshot, no loot



Ally vs Ally = No Guard Assist
Ally vs Anything less than Ally = Guards assist the person with highest faction
Warmly vs Anything less than warmly = Guards assist the person with highest faction


also, none of this is being disputed currently. highest faction will get the help from guards.

the part that's being disputed is whether or not guards will agro someone just standing there who's not even doing anything to provoke the guards. try to keep up.

[Lasher]

is it based off Faction range or actual faction level? If both are Ally but one is max ally should guards ignore both or help the max ally?

[Coffee]

Currently a damage shield/riposte would be considered an offensive actions to provoke guards if the person was not fighting back and the attacker had higher faction

Dispels are not offensive

is it based off Faction range or actual faction level? If both are Ally but one is max ally should guards ignore both or help the max ally?

Good question, I would think it's based on the actual value say person A = 1050/2500 versus person B = 1200/2500 (arbitrary numbers)

[vouss]

It's just based off of faction level. Warmly is warmly no matter how far you are into it. As for bank banks I would and did see people suicide to avoid item loss on Ralos.

[Gustoo]

Suicide one way or another was a huge aspect of item loot PVP, for obvious reasons. Who knows / cares how it was on vallon or tallon zek.

Guards should not attack a player who is just being beat up, provided he does not have a damage shield or other offensive automated skill.

Riposte will cause guards to engage if the riposter is the lower faction.

[gloinz]

Item pulling and suiciding are specific to this server - born of an unclassic server wide yellow text message. I can't remember seeing it on live.

The way I remember it is:

Ally vs Ally = No Guard Assist
Ally vs Anything less than Ally = Guards assist the person with highest faction
Warmly vs Anything less than warmly = Guards assist the person with highest faction

etc...

You've worked hard on the battlefield to become a pillar of society, why wouldn't the guards help you?

as a person who turned in band aids in misty to fight in rivervale, this is accurate