Best Classic Experience

[maskedmelon]

So over the weekend curiosity got the best of me and I rolled a new character... ^^ it has been fantastic. The community is great and the classic is strong ^^ I've yet to encounter any douchebaggery and have been helped in one form or another by EVERY player that I've met. Srsly. I have heard chatter in my guild of asshats in one place or another, but the community is self policing and justices lands with force upon the evildoers.

There seems to be a more robust RP community as well. Overall, if you have not already recently, I suggest you give red a try. You may be surprised what you find^^

[am0n]

Swish, is that you?

[mr_jon3s]

Best classic experience was beating the elemental planes and getting access to potime.

[Daldaen]

Best classic experience was beating the elemental planes and getting access to potime.

^^^

More than PoTime though, getting access to the EPs was a huge process through planar progression. Your first time zoning into Water or Fire was incredible $$$.

[Lamil]

been rolling on red myself. Can't complain its been pretty fun

[maskedmelon]

Swish, is that you?

Negatory, though his proselytizing certainly played a role in my decision to give it a try ^^ The bottom line is, there are good times to be had on red outside of pvp.

[bktroost]

been rolling on red myself. Can't complain its been pretty fun

except for the inane dribble that is constantly bombarding you in global chat. Also, everyone there seems to have an unrealistically bloated self image.

[absol]

No, I don't think so. I don't like pvp, and no amount of evagelizing a pvp server is going to work on someone who doesn't like pvp.

[maskedmelon]

It's not about pvp, it's about the classic experience. I don't particularly care for PVP either, but that is only a small part of the experience on Red ^^

[absol]

You can't sell me on a ruleset server when I said I don't like the ruleset lol. Its never going to work.

Honestly, the 'try red' campaign probably does work for some. Its worked for you, as you've said. But for people like me who have no interest in pvp? No amount of promises about newbies wearing banded in Unrest is going to matter, and the fact that it comes across as desperation is even more offputting.

[Swish]

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OP says it all really, it's something different... something new, something to try <3

[maskedmelon]

You can't sell me on a ruleset server when I said I don't like the ruleset lol. Its never going to work.

Honestly, the 'try red' campaign probably does work for some. Its worked for you, as you've said. But for people like me who have no interest in pvp? No amount of promises about newbies wearing banded in Unrest is going to matter, and the fact that it comes across as desperation is even more offputting.

I understand where you are coming from and can't really blame you since that was pretty much my position since I've been here.

I was fully expecting to have the nostalgic revelry of my fire beetle slaying interrupted outside the city gates by some roflstomping degenerates wearing fungies and CoFs, but have (thus far) avoided entanglement in any such shenanigans. It's been a pleasant surprise.

Sorry if my post came across as desperate! It was more honest surprise, which compelled me to share ^^

[bktroost]

I have no qualms with PVP. The reality is that the people on Red are more polluted in personality than Blue, there is just far less of them so you don't have the rule lawyering and insta FTEs that is such a problem on Blue. I can't stand the never ending bragging and chest pounding that is constantly slapping you in the face through the global chat.

On Blue there is an atmosphere of banding together to take on bigger and stronger challenges as a team. On Red the atmosphere is more about making sure you have the largest, most visible genitalia to swing as you happen to be killing dragons.

The server looks like someone spilled a big bottle of testosterone supplements and smells like the inside of a boys locker room, prior to the discovery of deodorant.

[am0n]

Seems like now is a good time to have this one moved to the Red RNF.

[Gilder]

Bk Troost, I agree that the global chat on Red is abysmal... but that's what new chat windows and minimizing are for.

Just don't look at the OOC. That's what I do.

As far as the testosterone stuff and people thinking they're God's gift to the world, those kinda people are just as insufferable in real life as they are in this game. Just use /ignore.

Yes, it sucks there's people acting like buffoons, but there's still some cool people to talk to and group with.

[Swish]

On Blue there is an atmosphere of banding together to take on bigger and stronger challenges as a team.

https://i1.wp.com/static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1535/15354834/2438326-laughing-hysterically.gif

That's gold Nemce, gold!

[captnamazing]

the charm of red usually wears off within a couple of weeks

[Shjade]

OP says it all really, it's something different... something new, something to try <3

Hang on: is it a classic experience (what the OP said), or something different and new (the opposite of "classic")?

You can't have it both ways, Swish. :|

Bk Troost, I agree that the global chat on Red is abysmal... but that's what new chat windows and minimizing are for.

Just don't look at the OOC. That's what I do.

As far as the testosterone stuff and people thinking they're God's gift to the world, those kinda people are just as insufferable in real life as they are in this game. Just use /ignore.

Yes, it sucks there's people acting like buffoons, but there's still some cool people to talk to and group with.

So in order to play on Red you have to 1) disable/ignore the only reasonable means of forming groups since everyone's Anon 100% of the time, and 2) ignore the most active players on the server?

Sounds legit.

[Swish]

Hang on: is it a classic experience (what the OP said), or something different and new (the opposite of "classic")?

You can't have it both ways, Swish. :|

Yes I can, because you're typically leveling with people who have no twink items on them...and to most people EQ pvp is something new and different. Not the same old tunnelquest/camp lawyer stuff.

Watch this if you haven't already seen it. Was grouped in Unrest with some people and none of us had anything above our level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq_q-hioGkU

[maskedmelon]

On Blue there is an atmosphere of banding together to take on bigger and stronger challenges as a team.



This is what I've found on red and highlighting it was the purpose of my post. Sounds to me like the problem for you lay more with the company you keep than the greater server community. I think blue suffers equally from asshats as red does. That is evident in our raid scene as well as xp and loot camps. Too much lawyer quest.

The venom some peeps spread about red just isn't representative of the whole. Perhaps it has some Merritt with regard to a part of the community, but not all or even most of it.

Beyond the community and more to my original post, the red experience is far more classic than blue. It hasn't experienced the massive inflation and content dilution that blue has. Things are still a challenge.

I suspect I'll encounter more toxic aspects of the server as I explore it, but I think that May be part of the reason for the outstanding community that I have landed in from the get go. Good people band together to check the advance of the wicked ^^

All you naysayers are welcome to join me and see for yourselves :p

[Shjade]

Yes I can, because you're typically leveling with people who have no twink items on them...and to most people EQ pvp is something new and different. Not the same old tunnelquest/camp lawyer stuff.

Watch this if you haven't already seen it. Was grouped in Unrest with some people and none of us had anything above our level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq_q-hioGkU

Already saw and responded to it in the thread where you posted it the first time, where I pointed out that, despite your calling it a classic experience, the amazing amount of experience gained in that short amount of time made it look anything but.

So in that sense, yes, it seems you went with "new and different" over "classic," which that is clearly not, no matter what you're wearing.

*shrug*

[captnamazing]

So in that sense, yes, it seems you went with "new and different" over "classic," which that is clearly not, no matter what you're wearing.

[Swish]

Already saw and responded to it in the thread where you posted it the first time, where I pointed out that, despite your calling it a classic experience, the amazing amount of experience gained in that short amount of time made it look anything but.

So in that sense, yes, it seems you went with "new and different" over "classic," which that is clearly not, no matter what you're wearing.

*shrug*

Alright, well while you're not enjoying some classic farming in low end gear you can immerse yourself in the land of fungi solo monks with the latest Velious wares not giving any shits about shitting on groups trying to farm (MM valley, CoM between stables/temple (or perhaps a moat duo)).

Meanwhile variance (is that classic? nope) is in for Vindi, and while the young raid executives decide between themselves what is allowed, when it's allowed... you can duck cancel your way through the EC tunnel where you'll find new players signing off rather than attempt to climb a 5-6 year plat mountain... and when you're done doing that you can jump onto forumquest with your head firmly in the sand and call it all classic.

All that shit's classic EQ right? That "classic" tag you're trying to make out is on blue? Carry on lol.

Blue isn't classic, red isn't classic... but grouping in low end gear with empty slots is something closer to classic than blue will ever get near.

[Shjade]

Blue isn't classic, red isn't classic... but grouping in low end gear with empty slots is something closer to classic than blue will ever get near.

I was going to quote a post I made a few weeks ago in which I point out that very thing - that neither server is classic and the Red vs Blue "classic" arguments are confusing/entertaining as a result - but apparently it's been deleted? Can't find it. Weird.

Edit: found it! Not sure why I couldn't see it on my list of posts, but whatever.

When I look at this video, I just see an alternate version of what happens on Blue with its ridiculous level of twinking and powerleveling. On blue it's a character in gear way above the area's level having their hand held through the grind to make it faster so they can get to the upper levels and raid or whatever; on red it's a party of characters being mechanically powerleveled through the grind to make it faster so they can get to the upper levels and raid or whatever.

I don't see either as being better or worse than the other, which makes all the RvB "classic!" dickwaving both funny and confusing to watch.

Anyway!

Indeed, neither grouping on Red nor raiding (among other things) on Blue are classic, and we're running on Titanium's UI so it's all "tainted" regardless. Solo farming with root/fear kiting on my necro? That's pretty classic, though. :D

All beside the point of whether classic is good or bad, though. I don't care; fun is fun. Not wanting to follow classic EQ's inane rules and roadblocks doesn't make someone a bad person - it makes total sense to want to play a better/faster/easier game, 'cause come on, purely classic EQ has a ton of worthless crap in it.

I merely point out that calling an experience "classic" when it clearly is not is bullshit. That's all.

[captnamazing]

Blue isn't classic, red isn't classic... but grouping in low end gear with empty slots is something closer to classic than blue will ever get near.

this still happens on blue. I'm friends with a low level warrior who received my scholarship. I check on him once in a while. Busted into Sol A barroom last night to find a group of disgustingly bare/poorly geared toons. In fact, almost every time I visit him he's doing the group grind with poorly geared players.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Swish]

I merely point out that calling an experience "classic" when it clearly is not is bullshit. That's all.

If numerous fungi twink monks are your definition of classic, by all means blue is a classic server then.

I just remember when I started on Prexus in December 1999 that having a Gossamer Robe or being handed some banded or bronze armor was a big thing... and that Unrest group is the closest I got to feeling that old vibe.

[Shjade]

If numerous fungi twink monks are your definition of classic, by all means blue is a classic server then.

I just remember when I started on Prexus in December 1999 that having a Gossamer Robe or being handed some banded or bronze armor was a big thing... and that Unrest group is the closest I got to feeling that old vibe.

Velious wasn't quite out yet when I made my bard on live. I remember popping up as a fresh level 1 bard and seeing someone wailing away on wasps with an executioner's axe and a fungi tunic.

Twinking is as classic as it gets. Twinking and trains.

Edit: and corpse runs. My god, the corpse runs.

[am0n]

Clearly nothing is classic. Bring back Luclin Models and Spell Timers.

And release the Kraken ReBlue99!

(No Strikethrough? Much disappoint.)

[Gimp]

So basically if you start a new character on blue, you get a free fungi? Sign me up

[maskedmelon]

So I had some more time to kick it for a bit last night. Slew some gnolls, met a few new peeps. Was showed around the zone (never actually adventures in BB before) and walked through a quest ^^

I haven't run into any assholes yet and am currently grinding away with my cracked staff ^^ having a hard time to adjust to the weight limit. Bought a few purses and filled them with shuriken and band aids and am now out of money and overweight again ^^ can't wait until my fists surpass improve so I can stop carrying the staff ^^

[Swish]

So basically if you start a new character on blue, you get a free fungi? Sign me up

not quite, you need to spend lots of time hiking prices in the tunnel first

[Zlain]

Velious wasn't quite out yet when I made my bard on live. I remember popping up as a fresh level 1 bard and seeing someone wailing away on wasps with an executioner's axe and a fungi tunic.

Twinking is as classic as it gets. Twinking and trains.

Edit: and corpse runs. My god, the corpse runs.

4yrs of kunark means nothing about either server is or ever again will be, "classic". yet you constantly see all these "not classic" posts.

Get over yourselves.

[Expediency]

Red players are like religious groups who knock on your front door, uninvited, and wont leave. I was curious about red when I joined p99 but reading these used-car salesman pitches day after day has made me question why I'd join a server so full of people who are in my face about my gaming choices.

[milsorgen]

been rolling on red myself. Can't complain its been pretty fun

[Lamil]

Also if camping some long boring camp on blue playing on red is a nice distraction. Can't get enough EQ at once

[maskedmelon]

I am now approaching L20 with 25pp in the bank. Also, I have had the opportunity to group a few times. The XP is decidedly unclassic, however given the lack of gear, gameplay is incredibly classic. One of the things I always loved about classic EQ was the pace of gameplay. Mobs did not die in a few seconds, there was downtime for mana regen, recovery etc. I enjoyed being able to relax while playing.

I also have far less time to play than I did when I was younger and the XP bonus compliments that situation well. I can get the classic gameplay experience that I love and see more of the world without spending weeks or months in the same spot ^^

I still haven't run into any asshats either ^^ the community is definitively better than it is sold as by some ^^

[thufir]

I can get the classic gameplay experience that I love and see more of the world without spending weeks or months in the same spot ^^

to me, that *is* the classic experience. it's kind of the point.

different classics to different folks I guess.

but the xp bonus forever tars red for me, pvp or lack thereof completely aside. and apparently red needs it because it'll drop to single digits without it. which basically says everything about red that I need to know.

well, that and the proselytizing. guys, if red was so great it wouldn't need the ads... but that's another story.

anyway, not to take anything away from your fun OP, I am sure you are having a great time etc.

[Shjade]

to me, that *is* the classic experience. it's kind of the point.

different classics to different folks I guess.

but the xp bonus forever tars red for me, pvp or lack thereof completely aside. and apparently red needs it because it'll drop to single digits without it. which basically says everything about red that I need to know.

Pretty much.

It's not that the grind is fun - god no, it's slow and boring and bleh - but it creates a different atmosphere than blazing through content. Hard to put much stock in the idea of this world being as old and developed and dangerous as it's supposed to be when a group of adventurers shows up and becomes more powerful than anything in the area in a few hours.

But whatever lol immersion etc.

[maskedmelon]

to me, that *is* the classic experience.

anyway, not to take anything away from your fun OP, I am sure you are having a great time etc.

I totally understand and that is half the reason for my posts because I had not realized how much the maturity of blue altered gameplay.

Twinking certainly is classic in nature, but when featured as prominently as it is on blue, gameplay is radically altered. That is something I'd not realized until I tried red and was so happy with the gameplay ^^ One of the things that had distressed me about blue gameplay is that all the twinks (including my own) made gameplay more diablo-esque: fast-paced hack-n-slash (to me).

Your right though, different strokes for different folks ^^

[maskedmelon]

Pretty much.

It's not that the grind is fun - god no, it's slow and boring and bleh - but it creates a different atmosphere than blazing through content.

I hear ya and prior to a few weeks ago would have nodded in agreement. The interesting piece is that the twinking and general availability of upper end Kunark gear on low level alts (or even as a new player) alters gameplay such that you are still blazing through content much faster, it's just that the pool is deeper ^^ so at the end of the day it takes longer before you move on to the next place. Blue dungeons support far fewer players because of how quickly groups can burn through mobs. It is an interesting difference to say the least.

As for all the advertising, I cannot speak for others, but assume much of it is simply from shear surprise and delight at what they've found. That is how it is for me anyway ^^

[thufir]

I totally understand and that is half the reason for my posts because I had not realized how much the maturity of blue altered gameplay.

Twinking certainly is classic in nature, but when featured as prominently as it is on blue, gameplay is radically altered. That is something I'd not realized until I tried red and was so happy with the gameplay ^^ One of the things that had distressed me about blue gameplay is that all the twinks (including my own) made gameplay more diablo-esque: fast-paced hack-n-slash (to me).

Your right though, different strokes for different folks ^^
While this is true, playing through blue is, I think, a much different experience without all those supports. Yes, you get the "trickle down" of the greater community which is farming cheap items all the livelong day, but if you do not have a lot of high level friends the struggle is still real. My warrior didn't replace any of his bought rawhide gear or his long sword until he managed to fumble his way to Highpass around level 13 (at which point, the upgrade was a PGT that dropped in zone while I was killing gnolls with my friends, and large ringmail drops off of the gnolls).

But yeah, if you have got the dough to fungi/tstaff everything with your iksar monk twink I am sure it is a lot different. I've just never had the opportunity to do that.

My jollies come from managing to scrape together 8k to buy my first-ever fbss. That was a watershed day for me.

[maskedmelon]

So I've reached 30s and am still having a blast. Mistmoore has been great and group'age abounds. Certainly isn't crowded, but not difficult to pull together a party either ^^ I suppose the most unclassified aspect of this is that there is absolutely no hybrid hate or class discrimination due to the decidedly unclassic xp bonus for groups.

I've amassed a couple hundred plat and am saving for a weapon. Currently rocking cloth and a few derv bands ^^ many of the other players that I encounter are rocking similar setups ^^ tackling classic content in classic gear.

Looking forward to guk ^^