OT Hammer Quest on Red

[Gylen]

Hey guys,

Quick question for those who have an OT hammer on Red99, how did you do it?

Did you simply grind the faction required to do the quest? The reason I'm asking is twofold.

1. As we cannot recharge items, I would imagine the availability and use of puppet strings to be a lot rarer. This is the only quick way of getting the Amiably faction required for the quest.

2. On Live, my (human) monk had an OT hammer. I certainly don't remember grinding faction for the quest. The way I remember it is I simply used sneak to turn in the jade for the hammer. The quest must have required indifferently then because it would be impossible if I am remembering correctly.

Plz halp.

[Gylen]

I should mention I'm old now and my memory blows. I'm almost certainly not remembering it correctly...

[Osyruz]

Most people just buy a puppet string charge for 10k, and as a monk, I'm pretty sure you can sneak/fd to do the turn in's to bypass the faction at the beginning.

[Osyruz]

2. On Live, my (human) monk had an OT hammer. I certainly don't remember grinding faction for the quest. The way I remember it is I simply used sneak to turn in the jade for the hammer. The quest must have required indifferently then because it would be impossible if I am remembering correctly.

Plz halp.

Foreman has to be amiable or higher here for the turn in, so sneaking him a jade won't work.

[Videri]

Yes, the quest does require Amiable faction with Venril Sathir (OT outpost). There are only 2 ways to get to Amiable faction: raise faction via questing, illusions, and faction spell/song; or charm the mob. Here's how I'd break it down:
A. Charm the mob (enchanter, bard, or necromancer)
B. Charm the mob using puppet strings, which go for 10k but are very rare - CT has been dead on arrival for many months on Red, so if you're not in a guild that can contest whatever guild kills it, you can try to buy a charge
C. Faction up by turning in Sarnak braids, etc (pretty doable for evil races or rogues with a Dark Elf mask - 120 braids; no idea how grueling it would be as a non-evil race)
D. Faction up by killing mobs in VP

[Gylen]

Hrmm, I did have a Guise of the Deceiver. I wonder if this made a difference?

Either way, the path is clear.

Thanks red friends.

[Brutality]

When i started out i just turned in the warbraids with sneak until i hit amiably.. It takes awhile but ot hammer is worth it

[Swish]

When i started out i just turned in the warbraids with sneak until i hit amiably.. It takes awhile but ot hammer is worth it

[Coffee]

for some reason developers disabled red ability to recharge, so new players cannot easily acquire OT hammers

all the meanwhile blame is put on raiding guilds for lack of new population

[Somekid123]

If you played when population was max 60 and people were recharging all the click wands and had trak teeth you would understand.

Anyways. Not sure how many you need to sneak turn in I know my ogre shaman who started apprehensive to amiable took 140 whips.

[Malevz]

Guise will get you to Apprehensive if you've never killed VS faction mobs. I did it on blue for a char and it took me 200 whips I believe. It's not bad, took 2 days.

[Gylen]

Yeah, pretty sure I'm at Apprehensive already.

200 whips? FML. Maybe I'll get lucky and get an Ornate Velium Necklace and then raise it to indiff. +100 should be enough, right?

[Zlain]

It would be exactly enough.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Faction

PS. PST me in game tonight whore.

I'll be on muh monk prolly.

[Malevz]

Ya, with neck you should only need 100 whips (if my 200 number was correct). it goes fast, lots of berzerkers and it's worth it. Plus whip is a guaranteed drop.

[Edgat]

Yes, the quest does require Amiable faction with Venril Sathir (OT outpost). There are only 2 ways to get to Amiable faction: raise faction via questing, illusions, and faction spell/song; or charm the mob. Here's how I'd break it down:
A. Charm the mob (enchanter, bard, or necromancer)
B. Charm the mob using puppet strings, which go for 10k but are very rare - CT has been dead on arrival for many months on Red, so if you're not in a guild that can contest whatever guild kills it, you can try to buy a charge
C. Faction up by turning in Sarnak braids, etc (pretty doable for evil races or rogues with a Dark Elf mask - 120 braids; no idea how grueling it would be as a non-evil race)
D. Faction up by killing mobs in VP

Outdoor kunark dragons also give VS faction hits - might be able to find a small guild that does these and just throw a dagger at one for a big faction hit

[Swish]

Outdoor kunark dragons also give VS faction hits - might be able to find a small guild that does these and just throw a dagger at one for a big faction hit

/rude %t might work, need to try that

[Coffee]

If you played when population was max 60 and people were recharging all the click wands and had trak teeth you would understand.

Anyways. Not sure how many you need to sneak turn in I know my ogre shaman who started apprehensive to amiable took 140 whips.

Ya but clickies cannot be used on players anymore, so unnecessary.

[Silent]

What is the faction hit per quest turn in on the 4 whips anyway? 10 per hit? So if your apphre already, and say you have a ornate neck. That would mean 10 whip quests(40 whips total) or? Thats based off the faction link, with eqemu source code but each appears to be about 100 faction more for the hit. Maybe ill test out with a apphre illusion ench, cast that +250 faction boost spell and see if turns me amiably to get a better idea of the range.

Or do you think 10 quests + neck click = amiable? Bard should be able to round up the ~20-30 zerkers that path the zone + ruins i think. Maybe kill the knights too on the off chance they repop more zerkers.

[abbud]

You finish your vp, then you go kill dragons, then you go get hammer.

[Xaanka]

Level a bard alt and camp your main in OT. Camp over loot all the braids and turn in while you wait for pops. Or if you already have a bard, sell PL.

[Silent]

yea vp key great for getting faction but its way more work then guise + velious pendant click + 10-40 whip quest turn ins, but with a guise and ornate pendant. i dont need a vp key if its only going to take me ~1-2 hours of factioning vs anywhere from 2-50 hours camping another VP key. Got my original faction just soloing dancers.

as far as bard goes, already did that with my old one, half elf, eventually became kindly before i started MQing whips to friends since that one bard in particular was used to PL and went from 32-49 constantly back and forth, many zerkers killed. Think there will be plenty of time to repair di'zok faction, so killing the zerkers on my friends new main tstaff monk shouldn't be an issue even if it gets him max kos, few hours of AE droga gg.

[Toehammer]

When I did it on my troll shaman (on blue, before I knew about puppet strings... ugh) I had a good strategy. I would kill all berzerkers... then aggro all sarnaks in the forts with my lowest level pet and book it back to the outpost. I would then position myself right behind Captain Rottgrime's army and they would wreck my sarnak non-berzerker train.

Faction went very fast this way.

[Somekid123]

^ I did the same, some mobs have sow if you wanna play it safe tag all the sarnaks, then gate [previously binding @ Captain or close to] and wait.

[Lasher]

Can use AoN too if you dont have a guise and have a person who will let you click aon

[Jjlent]

Would sneak (indifferent) + necklace click work?

[Colgate]

no

sneak by default sets you to indifferent

[Silent]

Confirmed the following below works. Not much work honestly, took me an hour mostly because I was afking, and trying to train non zerkers to guards while avoiding taking di'zok hits. Could've been done a lot quicker. Guess this really only helps with guised chars but, with new pendant should open a lot of options. Got strings but would rather waste a lil time and hammer someone else for free then waste on one I could do quickly.

Iksar monk, Agnostic. No prior VS hits negative or positive.
Guised -> apphrensive
ornate velium pendant -> indifferent
14 whip quest turn ins = amiable
= OT hammer




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[Mon Aug 31 04:31:51 2015] Captain Rottgrime regards you indifferently -- looks like it would wipe the floor with you!
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[Mon Aug 31 04:32:19 2015] Captain Rottgrime judges you amiably -- looks like it would wipe the floor with you!
[Mon Aug 31 04:34:00 2015] an undead foreman an undead foreman places the gem deep within his hollow eye socket. He pulls a giant sledgehammer from thin air and hands it to you. 'Here!! You shall be assigned to the lower decks of the Scaled Trident.'

[Coffee]

ya everyone just go ahead and roll an iksar monk and wait until gm event for a guise

that is the solution

cringe

[Jjlent]

no

sneak by default sets you to indifferent

I know, I was wondering if alliance+sneak work together getting u past indiff, or would sneak just cancel out the alliance since u would have to click it before sneak

[LostCause]

wts 4 charge puppet string.

[Shjade]

I know, I was wondering if alliance+sneak work together getting u past indiff, or would sneak just cancel out the alliance since u would have to click it before sneak

It wouldn't matter when you cast alliance. If you sneak behind a mob that's kindly to you, it'll drop to indifferent, because they don't know it's you back there.

Because you're sneaking.

[Silent]

ya everyone just go ahead and roll an iksar monk and wait until gm event for a guise

that is the solution

cringe

This has almost nothing to do with the guise itself, but the fact friends can pass aons to eachother still and get apphre. a TRADE ABLE ITEM, that with one click gives you skelly illusion for the same faction guise gives. I know plenty of people who would rather burn 30 minutes with an aon click and get a hammer and sell string charge clicks or use them on other chars that are not efficient at killing sarnaks or don't want to ruin faction. This also makes it way easier for rogues to get OT hammers now via the mask of deception. Bards can obviously charm the foreman.

It does not apply to iksar monk only. Thanks for being so considerate in your post however, when all I am trying to do is help.

[unleashedd]

what loc does that hammer port you to?

[Gylen]

Ports you on (in?) the boat on the beach of OT, I believe.

[Coffee]

This has almost nothing to do with the guise itself, but the fact friends can pass aons to eachother still and get apphre. a TRADE ABLE ITEM, that with one click gives you skelly illusion for the same faction guise gives. I know plenty of people who would rather burn 30 minutes with an aon click and get a hammer and sell string charge clicks or use them on other chars that are not efficient at killing sarnaks or don't want to ruin faction. This also makes it way easier for rogues to get OT hammers now via the mask of deception. Bards can obviously charm the foreman.

It does not apply to iksar monk only. Thanks for being so considerate in your post however, when all I am trying to do is help.

ok all new people

new strat

a) acquire a legacy guise of the deceiver
b) make friends with someone that has an AON and is willing to let you click it

very viable strats

ty

the best idea was probably the one that gathered up all berserkers and trained them to get killed by guards

[Karok]

So how the hell does any iksar have a clicky guise? Gm event? How common is that and wtf not classic

[Silent]

ok all new people

new strat

a) acquire a legacy guise of the deceiver
b) make friends with someone that has an AON and is willing to let you click it

very viable strats

ty

the best idea was probably the one that gathered up all berserkers and trained them to get killed by guards

Here, how about this for example then?

Troll shaman, apphre faction, took 12 whip turn ins to hit indifferent. clicked velium pendant 5-8k currently cost on red. was then amiable with foreman, saved me easily another 1-2 hours of farming whips considering I was going to click a string charge on him too before i realized the time is better spent gathering up whips then wasting a charge on someone who isn't already an evil race, or a masked rogue.

AoN only applies to classes that are good, also don't act like 'your' friends couldn't get access to 1 of the 20 chicken bones the guild has for someone to click, or better yet just waste your puppet string charges thats quicker and a easier item to obtain. Stop trying to shit on a thread when its clear the ornate velium pendant can help save a lot of time and effort in some old kunark quests such as this. So far people have only been applying it to velious efforts.

[Coffee]

not hating on velium pendant at all

none of my posts even commented on it

its just silly to assume a new player trying to get an OT hammer has access to a guise of the deceiver or aon which is all youve mentioned

[Silent]

And as my last post said, a pendant would make it easier for not only a new player but a current player to obtain the hammer on a character they otherwise would have had to spend hours farming whips despite being an evil race just to hit amiable faction. Also there are barely any true NEW players, however with the new plat xserver ban now people will be almost forced to start with nada. That and the epic lvl 46 nerf was great idea.

[derpcake]

there are some ruins near the FM mountains

easy to camp there, clear the berserkers, let guards clear the undesireable spawns, check again after 30 mins to clear berserkers

worked for me, did take some time