It's time to sunset Red99 *Please stay on topic*

[wts]

1. The staff does not want to run two PvP servers because Red is already lower population and has more per-capita pissing, moaning and petitionquesting than blue.

2. A defining feature of Project 1999 is character permanence, not ruleset permanence.

3. Rogean has already proposed moving the most populous guild on Red to Blue.

4. The dominant guild on Red has self-selected a Blue state for the Red server.

5. Rogean has resorted to non-classic content tuning to address this guild's actions.

Conclusion: It's time to sunset Red by permanently copying all characters to Blue. The involuntary modification of ruleset is classic as this is what happened on Tallon and Vallon Zek when item loot was removed.

One of the major roadblocks to Teams99 is the awkwardness of merging it eventually with the much-older Red99. It would turn Teams99 into little more than an opportunity to farm manastones, since teams characters would be merged with a server that had a head start of four years of Kunark plus Velious.

The age of the current Red server is closer to the age of the Blue server than it would be to any new server. Since Red has decided to act Blue, let them continue on the Blue server so that a new teams server can have its own history without the threat of being merged into a six-year-old server and having Teams characters rendered obsolete.

[Jimjam]

Technical problem:

I don't have enough character slots on my accounts for my red and blue to be merged.

[wts]

Technical problem:

I don't have enough character slots on my accounts for my red and blue to be merged.

This could be addressed in a similar way to character names. Since most character names are likely already in use on blue, a character would have to be added to Red names such as "x" or an asterisk. The same could be done for all Red login accounts so that they become a separate account from your Blue account.

[Colgate]

"i lost. shut it down."

[Tassador]

Tried making the forum name wtb

[Laugher]

You think teams is just going to be anything but an even more well defined zerg fest? Think about it: one team dominates the rest high end, pvpers then have 2 choices: make a new char and level to 60 or continue to fight the losing battle. As much as I like the idea and would probably play teams I think it will hemorrhage players faster once an established guild has been made than red has in the past. Or worse people will all just only play certain races to be on the zerg team and there will officially be no pvp to be had lol.

[Gzaz]

Evil vs good would be good but how would that work guild wise

[ClubnRed]

"i lost. shut it down."

^ What the toothepaste guy said.

[ylarik24]

"i lost. shut it down."

[wts]

"i lost. shut it down."

Makes server blue. Is terrified of transfer to Blue.

You think teams is just going to be anything but an even more well defined zerg fest? Think about it: one team dominates the high end.

Let's call this the Vallon Zek Dilemma. Anybody who never played on Vallon Zek doesn't have a clue. On Tallon Zek, evil team won. On Sullon Zek, for obvious reasons, evil team won. On Vallon Zek, the light alliance won. Only through the vehicle of soft-coded teams was anything other than an assured win for evil team possible.

But Rogean has no experience with teams PvP so he thinks "out of range healing ... that's bad. Teams should be hardcoded." And apparently 90% of the people who play Red99 are ex-Sullon. The overwhelming majority of players here want the ruleset to hold their hand and pick their friends for them instead of having to negotiate alliances like we did on Vallon Zek.

To sum up the Vallon Zek Dilemma: Only through the vehicle of soft-coded teams is anything but an overwhelming victory for evil team possible. Maybe most Red99 players want hard-coded teams because they hope Teams99 ends up a blue oasis like Red99.

Evil vs good would be good but how would that work guild wise

This is WoW PvP. Just my opinion, but I'll pass. I'm hoping for a city-based ruleset with more team options as opposed to fewer. Thanks for the on-topic replies!

[Tassador]

Do you also have the names wtb and wtt? Neither are available to create on the forums.

[wts]

Do you also have the names wtb and wtt? Neither are available to create on the forums.

Not me. I made this account when I was trying to sell Cynthia's Orb of Tishan and started using it to post after Aenor was banned for trolling staff.

[Doors]

Loses server, wants box closed down.

[wts]

Loses server, wants box closed down.

Asked and answered.

Makes server blue. Is terrified of transfer to Blue.

Also, Nov 18 2015 would be a nice sunset date.

[Swish]

I'm enjoying it on red. Just because you aren't doesn't mean you can call for a shut down.

Piss off.

[Duvain]

All I saw from the OP was, "I don't like red so I don't want anyone else to like it either."

[Nirgon]

Zlandicar and Yelinak still up

Go get your sleeper keys

[El Camacho]

until there is a plan in place to solve whatever you think the problem is, there is no point in pitching these extreme knee jerk actions.

the wipe it clean movement doesn't offer a real solution and should rightly be ignored until it does.

Most will probably not understand this, but Empire isn't the problem. Not saying the state Empire is in doesn't create issues, but blaming their success as the reason so many other things failed just isn't true.

[Bazia]

this whole thread is predicated on the fact teams99 is ever going to be a thing

just let that sink in

[Kergan]

A year ago people said the same thing about Velious though.

[Kergan]

To sum up the Vallon Zek Dilemma: Only through the vehicle of soft-coded teams is anything but an overwhelming victory for evil team possible. Maybe most Red99 players want hard-coded teams because they hope Teams99 ends up a blue oasis like Red99.


So the only difference with VZ is that a different team won but they all ended up the same as here?

Sure sounds like soft coded teams will fix the problem.

[Tassador]

I think we need to get to the bottom of who has all these wts, wtt, lfg names. They sound cool and neat.

[Coffee]

OP is lead developer on EQ B rOWSER??????

[wts]

I'm enjoying it on red. Just because you aren't doesn't mean you can call for a shut down.

Haven't played in two years. Not calling for a shutdown, simply echoing Rogean's sentiment that current Red players should be ported over to their preferred blue state.

until there is a plan in place to solve whatever you think the problem is, there is no point in pitching these extreme knee jerk actions.

the wipe it clean movement doesn't offer a real solution and should rightly be ignored until it does.

I don't play so I don't know or care what the problems are. This isn't a "wipe it clean" post, this is a "victor declared, move to Blue" post.

So the only difference with VZ is that a different team won but they all ended up the same as here?

On Vallon Zek, three teams won.

OP is lead developer on EQ B rOWSER??????

Nope, I cannot claim that illustrious title. I am the leading Teams99 theoryquester, however.

[Eslade]

no idea who op is. going to throw Syft's name out there due to op's berger situation.

[Gardur]

Zlandicar and Yelinak still up

Go get your sleeper keys

Basically this.

[El Camacho]

Haven't played in two years. Not calling for a shutdown, simply echoing Rogean's sentiment that current Red players should be ported over to their preferred blue state.



I don't play so I don't know or care what the problems are. This isn't a "wipe it clean" post, this is a "victor declared, move to Blue" post.



On Vallon Zek, three teams won.



Nope, I cannot claim that illustrious title. I am the leading Teams99 theoryquester, however.

So if you don't play here, don't care or know what the problems are, then maybe you shouldn't be trying to solve them.

Also Rogeans forum quest bomb was legendary. Don't ruin it.

[DRAGONBAIT]

1 year ago i was asking seriously for a wipe, nihilum got content blocked for real, empire is just a zerg guild cos they want to be that and play on a blue atmosphere, be it. Tbh velious is big enough and we got a lot of content in kunark and the old world to pick up gear from and make progress. Let em be ahead no prob really. Skill > gear anyway i tell u. By far

[grannock]

1. The staff does not want to run two PvP servers because Red is already lower population and has more per-capita pissing, moaning and petitionquesting than blue.

2. A defining feature of Project 1999 is character permanence, not ruleset permanence.

3. Rogean has already proposed moving the most populous guild on Red to Blue.

4. The dominant guild on Red has self-selected a Blue state for the Red server.

5. Rogean has resorted to non-classic content tuning to address this guild's actions.

Conclusion: It's time to sunset Red by permanently copying all characters to Blue. The involuntary modification of ruleset is classic as this is what happened on Tallon and Vallon Zek when item loot was removed.

One of the major roadblocks to Teams99 is the awkwardness of merging it eventually with the much-older Red99. It would turn Teams99 into little more than an opportunity to farm manastones, since teams characters would be merged with a server that had a head start of four years of Kunark plus Velious.

The age of the current Red server is closer to the age of the Blue server than it would be to any new server. Since Red has decided to act Blue, let them continue on the Blue server so that a new teams server can have its own history without the threat of being merged into a six-year-old server and having Teams characters rendered obsolete.

WhaaAaaaaaaaaaaaaa I got owned wipe the server clean waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Champion_Standing]

It's time to sunset P99 as a whole. Was a good run, RIP.

[wts]

no idea who op is. going to throw Syft's name out there due to op's berger situation.

OP identified earlier in thread. RIF.

So if you don't play here, don't care or know what the problems are, then maybe you shouldn't be trying to solve them.

Who said I was trying to solve red's problem? Move to blue, move to resolved.

It's time to sunset P99 as a whole. Was a good run, RIP.

If they don't get RMT under control this is probably what we're looking at. Daybreak don't play.

[Loke]

Wait, people are focusing on PvE just weeks after the first new PvE content in years was added? Stop the presses. OP is a dummy.

[El Camacho]

[QUOTE=wts;2030929]
Who said I was trying to solve red's problem? Move to blue, move to resolved.
QUOTE]

You said it.

[Imago]

Wait, people are focusing on PvE just weeks after the first new PvE content in years was added? Stop the presses. OP is a dummy.

[LoliPops]

hi syft

ps ur a faget

[AzzarTheGod]

"i lost. shut it down."

[Ranndom]

3. Rogean has already proposed moving the most populous guild on Red to Blue.


So i guess Red to Blue or vice versa transfers are only illegal for the People now.
Now what does that remind me of...

[Gardur]

Can we please just ban these posters that don't play here?

Thanks

-r99 players

[AzzarTheGod]

Can we please just ban these posters that don't play here?

Thanks

-r99 players

[Xaanka]

Can we please just ban these posters that don't play here?

Thanks

-r99 players

[Rogean]

5. Rogean has resorted to non-classic content tuning to address this guild's actions.


This is the second time I've seen someone making this claim. What the hell are you referring to?

[LoliPops]

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[Gardur]

This is the second time I've seen someone making this claim. What the hell are you referring to?

They are talking about Vymm. I think it's how hard he hits, specifically.

[Rogean]

They are talking about Vymm. I think it's how hard he hits, specifically.

That can't be it. I refuse to believe that this many people have such bad reading comprehension that they can't read a name prefixing a patch note...

[Beastagoog]

OP is a syft+lite hybrid.

Sorry 299+ other people enjoy the server daily and you don't OP. Plenty of other EMU's and Live still kicking around if you're that frustrated.

[Tassador]

Not me. I made this account when I was trying to sell Cynthia's Orb of Tishan and started using it to post after Aenor was banned for trolling staff.

Rogean just ignore this guy even though I know you actually care you shouldn't.

[LoliPops]

WTS is Aenor aka SearyTZ

[wts]

Can we please just ban these posters that don't play here?

Thanks

-r99 players

Or just say teams isn't happening. Until then, keep enjoying my threads.

[wts]

This is the second time I've seen someone making this claim. What the hell are you referring to?

I read on the internet that mobs were buffed. It has to be true right? I don't play so my sources of information are admittedly limmited.

WTS is Aenor aka SearyTZ

Tallon Zek is the one PvP server I didn't play on. Aenor was KoV on VZ, rolled with Gruffer's crew Ascendency that dominated Vanguard FFA PvP server.

[LoliPops]

Seary I know it's you. Not sure why you're so mad these days.

[wts]

Ask your boy cast who I am. Savage Wolves on VZTZ.

[LoliPops]

y u mad tho

[wts]

Not mad just bored. Stop failing with your threads and post something good.

[AzzarTheGod]

Gruffer's crew Ascendency that dominated Vanguard FFA PvP server.


Lol, after we let you. <Ebonlore>

[wts]

Lol, after we let you. <Ebonlore>

Was that before or after your entire guild was banned for hacking with chromosome?

[Eslade]

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[Champion_Standing]

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[Nirgon]

Nothing stopping anyone from playing here other than you won't get Velious raid targets (which are left up) because people refuse to invite new pals, help them learn and gear up a large army.

Literally 50 of you could roll rogues and clerics and kill all of Kunark/old world and Zlandi.

Plane of Growth is almost completely untouched due to fear of PvP bans.

Raiding aside, the Slosh route isn't a bad choice either. TZT could make a similar or possibly stronger crew like this.

[Imago]

This is the second time I've seen someone making this claim. What the hell are you referring to?


Alunova: Several Velious bosses have had their offensive stats increased.


I think that many people are referring to an offensive upgrade to Vyemm from this reference, even though it wasn't specifically stated (as was AoW).

[wts]

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