Arrow Line of Sight Bug

[Edgat]

Arrows are not hitting targets (no miss or hit message) when out over open waters. This is not I am over the water, they are under it so the line of sight is blocking shots. This is we are both 100' over the water or running on islands in iceclad and arrows never hit. I can even proc windstriker, but never get a hit or miss message. The bug should be easy to replicate as it has happened to me atleast 3 or 4 times in as many days in iceclad, cobalt scar, etc. Iceclad seems to have it the worst, but I got the bug this morning in cobalt scar fighting Bokke and had to bring the fight up to the clifftops from 100' in the air over open waters because I couldn't hit him

[yikes]

Arrows are not hitting targets (no miss or hit message) when out over open waters. This is not I am over the water, they are under it so the line of sight is blocking shots. This is we are both 100' over the water or running on islands in iceclad and arrows never hit. I can even proc windstriker, but never get a hit or miss message. The bug should be easy to replicate as it has happened to me atleast 3 or 4 times in as many days in iceclad, cobalt scar, etc. Iceclad seems to have it the worst, but I got the bug this morning in cobalt scar fighting Bokke and had to bring the fight up to the clifftops from 100' in the air over open waters because I couldn't hit him

Can confirm this as well. Windstriker procs but arrows never land if the targets feet are above water. Literally following someone across Iceclad and not 1 arrow landed

[mischief419]

Semi-related , oor pc's can block arrows too - not sure if intended or not

[Masaka]

Lets talk about Rangers. Arrows that disappear into the nothing if the target is levitating above water. Ever try shooting a PC target that has => 1000 AC with max Dex and still only doing ~15dmg consistently or missing 4 out of 5 with a 45 DMG bow? How about tracking another player? Obviously fixes aren't always easy but it seems like the ranger class is the most ignored of all classes and even more so when it comes to ranger pvp mechanics. Bow damage tables aren't even remotely close to classic in pve or pvp. AC/mitigation formulas vs ranged weapons need a complete rework imo.

[yikes]

Lets talk about Rangers. Arrows that disappear into the nothing if the target is levitating above water. Ever try shooting a PC target that has => 1000 AC with max Dex and still only doing ~15dmg consistently or missing 4 out of 5 with a 45 DMG bow? How about tracking another player? Obviously fixes aren't always easy but it seems like the ranger class is the most ignored of all classes and even more so when it comes to ranger pvp mechanics. Bow damage tables aren't even remotely close to classic in pve or pvp. AC/mitigation formulas vs ranged weapons need a complete rework imo.

dad?

[Feanol]

Engaged in some classic Player Versus Player this afternoon and found this out the hard way:

Arrows do not give either a 'miss' or 'hit for' message consistently when shot through water. While Newtonian physics demands this, Everquest physics have not given me this issue until today (9/21/15)

Even when our fight moved onto islands and we had ground underneath us while levitating in the air, several ranged attacks gave me no response whatsoever.


I'm aware of the projectile implementations of the last few months and that world entities and uneven terrain now often block an arrow's path... but my experiences today were in about as clear and open of an environment possible, over the water in Ocean of Tears.

/em cries

[Efwan]

Bow damage is very classic pve and pvp. This LOS bug however is not, let's stay on topic here.

[Masaka]

Bow damage is very classic pve and pvp..

nope

[yikes]

Bow damage is very classic pve and pvp. This LOS bug however is not, let's stay on topic here.

wrong

[Gustoo]

I haven't shot a bow at a player on R99.

but on live I played a ranger and bow damage was weak, good for pelting guys with arrows when they were snared and you were low HP and just being a jerk.

Anyone have an actual bow damage log from the old days? Bows sucked... always terrible DPS.

[Efwan]

I haven't shot a bow at a player on R99.

but on live I played a ranger and bow damage was weak, good for pelting guys with arrows when they were snared and you were low HP and just being a jerk.

Anyone have an actual bow damage log from the old days? Bows sucked... always terrible DPS.

My hits as a lvl 57 ranger using a bow of the underfoot on a 60 war hitting for 180-200s. 300 with Trueshot. Very classic and definitely doesn't need tuning.

[Masaka]

My hits as a lvl 57 ranger using a bow of the underfoot on a 60 war hitting for 180-200s. 300 with Trueshot. Very classic and definitely doesn't need tuning.

Do you have logs or screens of this? I didn't think so. Bow shots with a Windstriker (45 DMG) on any of the monks or warriors in Empire do not even come close to that range of damage. Also keep in mind that this is with max Dexterity and the target standing in place not moving. Efwan i don't know what trash can warrior you are shooting but either way i would like to see any type of logs you have, which of course you don't have.

[Edgat]

For the moment I would just like all of my arrows that have unobstructed line of sight to hit their targets they can deal with damage later. I am currently losing out on 50-100% damage due to bugs with water line of sight or people being able to strafe run to evade arrows catching them.

[Efwan]

Crits of 700 dmg with Trueshot which lasts what 3 minutes? Umm yeah I think bow dmg is fine.

[yikes]

Crits of 700 dmg with Trueshot which lasts what 3 minutes? Umm yeah I think bow dmg is fine.

know what your talking about before you post please.

[Efwan]

know what your talking about before you post please.

Want the screenshot of empire rangers admitting this? Please let the adults post, anon poster

[yikes]

Want the screenshot of empire rangers admitting this? Please let the adults post, anon poster

I am the empire ranger that admitted critting for 675. Crits are extremely rare and trueshot lasts 2 min. 25% of the arrows vanish, 25% of the arrows miss, 25% of the arrows hit for less then 100 (with trueshot), and 25% do good damage.

Disc cooldown is 1hr 12min

This thread isnt about trueshot so you can go post in someone else's thread acting like you know what you are talking about.

[Masaka]

Want the screenshot of empire rangers admitting this? Please let the adults post, anon poster If it wasn't before, it is very clear now that you have no idea what you are talking about. You should probably stick to General Discussion or RnF instead of coming here and shitting up the bugs forum.

[Efwan]

Lol yikes 700 dmg crits not enough in pvp for rangers. Got it.

[Edgat]

Please keep rants and flames out of my legit bug post.

Back on topic:

There are several known issues with arrows not hitting or missing targets (never connecting) involving either water or movement speed/strafing that can easily be replicated if needed

[Edgat]

Bump for great Ranger justice

[Rejji]

arrows register when both targets are under water

but when both targets are on top of the water, no damage/miss is registered

[Cyborella]

25% of the arrows vanish, 25% of the arrows miss, 25% of the arrows hit for less then 100 (with trueshot), and 25% do good damage.

and i would even say that this is an optimistic estimate, if the target is strafing its closer to a 40% vanish rate

[letsjoe]

25% of the arrows vanish, 25% of the arrows miss, 25% of the arrows hit for less then 100 (with trueshot), and 25% do good damage.

and i would even say that this is an optimistic estimate, if the target is strafing its closer to a 40% vanish rate

i saw a single snowflake take out an arrow

[yikes]

bump

[Edgat]

Any update on this issue even being acknowledged?

[Guttzs]

I feel like when I straif my arrows connect more instead of dissapear but its super annoying when chasing someone because it makes me lose ground on a chase

[yikes]

Bump. Any acknowledgement from the devs? Can provide a video is necessary

[Imago]

Any updates?

[yikes]

bump

[Imago]

This needs a bump. Rangers are defeated by the open oceans, rivers and small ponds.

[Imago]

Bump!

[Imago]

Bump for great ranger justice!

[Imago]

Bump for great ranger justice!

[Imago]

This needs a bump. Rangers are defeated by the open oceans, rivers and small ponds.

[ducktv]

Let it go dude, its never getting fixed and even if it did you would still suck

[Imago]

Thanks for the free bump!

[Imago]

Bump!

[ducktv]

So did this ever get fixed?

[ApexNews]

since rogean has awoken from his slumber and remembered red server exists please look at this bug.

summary: being above water makes you 100% immune to archery from another player who is also above water.

this bug might have been introduced with the changes to arrow line of sight like 5 years ago and never addressed.

[Imago]

Bump!

[ylarik24]

Bump NILBOG

[Furorr]

Firing arrows at any mobs (even on land) who are below me on the Z axis cause my arrows to poof. Any way to fix this?

[sonicjoose]

BUMP

[Salaryman]

BUMP

[Gustoo]

Just going to bump this because I feel sorry for rangers. (caught off their guard??)

[Kable]

I can now confirm that this same bug exists for the Mage Bolt line of spells which also rely on a Line of Sight projectile to hit the target. I was in the water with the crocodile NPC. Other spells landed fine. Mage bolt? Nope. Seems to be an issue with PC's/NPC's in water vs LoS projectile abilities and spells.

[Gustoo]

Issue with coding.

[Imago]

Bump

[Croco]

you poor poor rangers, free bump