Holy Shock (Paladin Epic) and Wrath of Nature (Druid Epic)

[Jeni]

Both of these epics have a -100 resist chance that is currently not taken into account on PvP targets. Below are the logs testing the resist threshold for both the Fiery Defender and the Nature Walkers Scimitar.

PALADIN
http://i.imgur.com/rzo1NlL.png

This proc's threshold in PvP is currently set at 50 magic resist despite having a -100 modifier to the resist chance. I did some testing today to determine at what levels the paladin epic proc at and here are the logs. We initially started with 130+ magic resist and worked all the way down to where it landed and then found the threshold. Can post complete logs if needed and both targets are level 60 for these exchanges.


58 MR - Resist
[Tue Sep 29 14:06:34 2015] Weinus says, '58'
[Tue Sep 29 14:07:17 2015] Your target resisted the Holy Shock spell.

46 MR - Spell lands
[Tue Sep 29 14:07:49 2015] Weinus says, '46'
[Tue Sep 29 14:10:23 2015] Weinus was hit by non-melee for 103 points of damage.

49 MR - Spell lands
[Tue Sep 29 14:11:18 2015] Weinus was hit by non-melee for 103 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 29 14:11:18 2015] Weinus is burnt by the wrath of the heavens.

51 MR - Resist
[Tue Sep 29 14:11:47 2015] Weinus says, '51'
[Tue Sep 29 14:12:24 2015] Your target resisted the Holy Shock spell.



I believe this resist rate is exactly in line with other normal stuns.


DRUID
http://i.imgur.com/HCanjz0.png

The druid epic is behaving and landing at a rate equal to ensare despite having the -100 resist. Below are logs of testing the thresholds of each with both landing below 75.


136 MR - Resist
[Tue Sep 29 14:12:58 2015] You say, '136 mr'
[Tue Sep 29 14:12:59 2015] You resist the Wrath of Nature spell!

122 MR - Resist
[Tue Sep 29 14:13:14 2015] You say, '122'
[Tue Sep 29 14:13:21 2015] You resist the Wrath of Nature spell!

106 MR - Resist
[Tue Sep 29 14:13:30 2015] You say, '106'
[Tue Sep 29 14:13:31 2015] You resist the Wrath of Nature spell!

80 MR - Resist
[Tue Sep 29 14:13:41 2015] You say, '80'
[Tue Sep 29 14:13:43 2015] You resist the Wrath of Nature spell!

70 MR - Spell lands
[Tue Sep 29 14:13:54 2015] You say, '70'
[Tue Sep 29 14:14:03 2015] The spirit of wolf leaves you.
[Tue Sep 29 14:14:03 2015] You are gripped by nature's wrath.

73 MR - Spell lands
[Tue Sep 29 14:14:34 2015] You say, '73'
[Tue Sep 29 14:14:47 2015] You are gripped by nature's wrath.

76 MR - Resist
[Tue Sep 29 14:14:54 2015] You say, '76'
[Tue Sep 29 14:15:06 2015] You resist the Wrath of Nature spell!

76 MR - Resist
[Tue Sep 29 14:15:21 2015] Weinus begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 29 14:15:23 2015] You resist the Ensnare spell!

70 MR- Both Spells Land
[Tue Sep 29 14:15:29 2015] You are ensnared.
[Tue Sep 29 14:15:31 2015] You say, '70'
[Tue Sep 29 14:15:35 2015] You say, 'ensare lands'
[Tue Sep 29 14:15:40 2015] You are no longer ensnared.
[Tue Sep 29 14:15:40 2015] You are gripped by nature's wrath.


Thanks for taking the time to read this, I am willing to post the complete logs as well as gather more samples around the threshold if it would help.

[Ragnaros]

Bump

[DeadlyApostle]

Nature's Defender proc is also being affected by this bug. It is being resisted with 50 MR despite having a lure resist check.

[Colgate]

Natures Holy Wrath (Natures Fefender) and Holy Shock (Fiery Defender) should not be getting resisted like this

however, Wrath of Nature (Nature Walkers Scimitar) had a 0 resist mod until september 2002 during the resist system revamp patch, according to the lucy entry, so this spell should be just as easy to resist as the necro/sk darkness line

until then, Holy Shock had a Lure(4) mod and Natures Holy Wrath had a Lure(3) mod, so Holy Shock should be slightly harder to resist than Natures Holy Wrath

[Jeni]

Wrath of Nature was always -100 resist check. Most of the lucy recorded history data starts at 2002 and the initial entry was probably not correct. This (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhistory.html?id=1926&source=Live) shows the first few initial data just setting the stats for the spell.

<------- All the 2002 data is from lucy initially setting values.

Wrath of Nature
2002-03-07 11:32 Initial Entry<-------
2002-06-05 11:20 Changed SpellIcon from to <-------
2002-06-12 12:27 Changed Unknown130 from 0 to 100 <-------
2002-09-04 11:33 Removed Slot 2: Decrease Movement by 11% (L1) to 62% (L52)<-------
2002-09-26 11:10 Changed Resistadj from 0 to -100 <-------
2002-10-21 11:05 Changed 'Cast on other' message from " has been gripped by natures wrath." to " has been gripped by nature's wrath."<-------
2002-10-21 11:05 Changed 'Cast on you' message from "You are gripped by natures wrath." to "You are gripped by nature's wrath."<-------
<Time Gap>
2004-04-28 11:05 Changed Category from to Unknown(-99)


Holy Shock for comparison
2002-03-07 11:32 Initial Entry<-------
2002-06-05 11:20 Changed SpellIcon from to <-------
2002-06-12 12:27 Changed SpellIcon from to <-------
2002-06-12 12:27 Changed Unknown130 from 0 to 100 <-------
2002-07-24 09:28 Changed SpellIcon from to <-------
2002-09-04 11:33 Changed Resistadj from 0 to -100 <-------
2002-09-04 11:33 Removed Slot 1: Lure(4)<-------
<Time Gap>
2004-04-14 12:00 Changed Slot 3 from "Stun(1.50 sec)" to "Stun(1.50 sec/61)"

That being said all these epics were in game far before 2002. This is lucy just getting the spell data right.

[Colgate]

lucy spell data system didn't exist until 3/7/2002, which is why all of the initial entries are for that date

[Jeni]

Can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not. But i can post a ton more examples of the exact same thing Initial Entry followed by a bunch of corrections / data updates.

[Colgate]

i would be inclined to maybe agree with you if 9/4/2002 didn't have this patch revamping the resist system:

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020904.html

my guess is that since they removed the snare component, they set the resist mod to match that of other druid DoT spells, i.e. Winged Death also has a -100 mod

[Technique]

Wrath of Nature has no resist mod in any classic spell file, even as recent as the Trilogy release spdat dated 8/22/2001.

Lucy data corroborates this because spells such as Holy Shock that actually did have a resist mod have a pair of entries marking when the mod, indicated by a Lure() slot, was recast as a resistadj value in the new system that was introduced in PoP: Holy Shock

2002-09-04 11:33 Removed Slot 1: Lure(4)
2002-09-04 11:33 Changed Resistadj from 0 to -100Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rHsdwfp_4U

[Ragnaros]

Nature's Defender proc Natures Holy Wrath should also have a -100 lure resist check. It is currently being resisted with 50 MR. Ill post logs when i test with Willan when i get home

[ducktv]

bump

[Crypodosktorr]

Bump fix natures defender and fiery defender for pals sake

[Ragnaros]

up

[Smedy]

from my recollection we had this discussion on vztz and came to the conclusion that the druid epic changes was made after luclin release, don't know about the pally epic

just think about it, having a snare with -100 magic check on live.... do you ever remember anyone getting snared? Nope. if it was indeed -100 people would hide in mass pvp and click the shit out of it, never ever happened on live.

We did have the druid epic at -100 mr for awhile on vztz and it was a complete shitfest people were getting snared left and right and having 10 druids with epic was a must in mass pvp, again something you never saw on live during the classic era

[evilkorn]

Guys, just post spdat's from the timeline:

04-04-2001:

Holy Shock
Hard to Resist
Decrease Hit Points (HP) by 155 (L1)
Stuns target for 1.5 (L1) seconds


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Classes: None

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Range to Target: 200 feet

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Skill: Instantaneous
Allowable Targets: All

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Resistance Check: Magic

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Spell Duration: Instant

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Spell cast on you: You feel the holy wrath of the heavens upon you.
Spell cast on someone: Soandso is burnt by the wrath of the heavens.

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Natures Holy Wrath
Moderate to Resist
Decrease Hit Points (HP) by 150 (L1)
Stuns target for 1.0 (L1) seconds


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Classes: None

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Range to Target: 200 feet

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Skill: Instantaneous
Allowable Targets: All

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Resistance Check: Magic

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Spell Duration: Instant

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Spell cast on you: You feel the holy wrath of nature upon you.
Spell cast on someone: Soandso is assaulted by the wrath of nature.

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Wrath of Nature
DoT for 1650 Hit Points (HP) in 30 ticks
Decrease Movement between 11% (L1) to 62% (L52)


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Classes: None

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Range to Target: 200 feet

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Skill: Instantaneous
Allowable Targets: All

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Resistance Check: Magic

[Chaboo_Cleric]

being looked into?>

[SamwiseRed]

being looked into?>

our best men are on it.

[Kevynne]

Guys, just post spdat's from the timeline:

04-04-2001:

bump for paladins

[Chaboo_Cleric]

More pali bumps because they seem to never get any more love

[Doctor Jeff]

More pali bumps because they seem to never get any more love

no. no one is fixing any of this. get over it.