Epic revamps: How will it turn out?

[Kylenorr]

When they bring us VSR and the other epic revamps, will VSR be camped? Instantly taken when he spawns? Will there be a waiting list? Just inquiring whether anyone knows or has a guess.

[maestrom]

VSR will roughly double the number of stones out there, should bring the price down a bit.

I think the Fay trigger is every 12 hours?

Both changes should lead to more people getting their epics for less money = good.

Farmers will likely sock them for the first few weeks/months, but once folks have 5-6 stones and pods that they can't move they'll likely move on.

We'll see though.

Edit:

When is VS coming down to a 3 day spawn?

[Pokesan]

it'll be camped to sell the MQ

[Kylenorr]

that's pretty crappy for folks who've been around for a long time after their VS stone haha... scummy people will be scummy people I suppose

[-Catherin-]

VSR requires a globe of fireflies. NO DROP (obtained by a druid/ranger only spell, dance of the fireflies).

So its not possible for just anyone to farm, other than druids who already have epic.

Now that I think about it though, the item Split Paw has this as a right click effect, so other classes could farm those at paw.

[maestrom]

So vsr will pop roughly 3-4 times a week? 10-12 hours after VS death and then roughly every 24 hours till VS respawns? So potentially going from 2-4 stones per week to 10+ stones per week?

Think he'll really be farmed? Or that stones will even be that expensive?

[icedwards]

So vsr will pop roughly 3-4 times a week? 10-12 hours after VS death and then roughly every 24 hours till VS respawns? So potentially going from 2-4 stones per week to 10+ stones per week?

Think he'll really be farmed? Or that stones will even be that expensive?

Isn't Ragefire on a similar timer? People still farm cleric epic MQs all the time, I doubt druids will be any different.

[capco]

that's pretty crappy for folks who've been around for a long time after their VS stone haha... scummy people will be scummy people I suppose

Lotta scum around lately.

[maestrom]

Isn't Ragefire on a similar timer? People still farm cleric epic MQs all the time, I doubt druids will be any different.

Unless I'm mistaken ragefire is only once per naggy? And naggy doesn't drop the cleric piece. So we only get one cleric epic per naggy. (Never done this myself, correct me!)

As I understand it, VSR respawns several times after each VS, each dropping 2 stones. And fay trigger is roughly every 12 hours, so there will be tons of druid and ranger epics floating around very soon.

[Daldaen]

Ragefire spawns usually 1 tiem per day unless Naggy is up.

So about 6 spawns after Naggy dies.

[QFuzzle]

When is this supposed to be patched in?

[fastboy21]

UDB will be sticky situation...you don't lose the turn-in bit when you spawn the summoned trak so as long as you don't finish the epic you can farm the udb trak.

udb trak still drops 1 bp item...and some of them (cleric) are still very valuable. unsure if udb trak can drop a manna robe.

[Pokesan]

haha add two more shitshow clickfests to the P99 resume

[maestrom]

When is this supposed to be patched in?

I'm pretty sure its the march 2001 timeline.

The January 2001 era update was a bit delayed here but, counting from the August 2 release, they seem to have gotten back on track. This Friday's patch out us on the February 2001 era. If they keep this up we should see VSR and such (Tunare warden???!) Next month.

Mad pras.

That's interesting about Ragefire though, I didn't know he was everyday.

UDB triggerings sounds like an awful lot of trouble to go through just to farm trak BPs. But maybe if top guilds are bored and don't have anything else to do they'll have a bard do his epic up to that point to have it on the shelf.

[am0n]

Hopefully the scummy people don't farm VSR just to sell. Some people out there would actually just like their item.

[Man0warr]

No one's gonna waste two dragon scales to farm Undead Bard for BPs.

[am0n]

Personally, I'd love to see them remove epics from the list of MQ'able quests. Would help eliminate this issue and let people who are interested in completing the quest for their epic without having to just buy pieces.

[fastboy21]

No one's gonna waste two dragon scales to farm Undead Bard for BPs.

if you are buying the scales, holding on the turn in for a few udb bps can help you pay the cost of the epic.

i agree that it would be unusual at first, but this is a static server. things are unusual here compared to live.

[maestrom]

Personally, I'd love to see them remove epics from the list of MQ'able quests. Would help eliminate this issue and let people who are interested in completing the quest for their epic without having to just buy pieces.

This.

Since Epics can no longer be used at level 1, I imagine the number of people really interested in MQing their epics rather than completing it themselves is relatively low.

Maybe this could be some of that custom content...

[fastboy21]

Personally, I'd love to see them remove epics from the list of MQ'able quests. Would help eliminate this issue and let people who are interested in completing the quest for their epic without having to just buy pieces.

if they removed MQing and droppable epic bits then only the top poop socking guilds would have access to most epics. if thats the goal then i see your reasoning.

[maestrom]

if they removed MQing and droppable epic bits then only the top poop socking guilds would have access to most epics. if thats the goal then i see your reasoning.

Currently, yes.

But along with VSR and UDB and Triggered Fay comes hate and fear changes, which make epics more available.

Since lately and with respect to epics, the staff have been taking a "spirit" of classic approach to the game, removing epic MQs would be consistent with their recent decision making.

I'm sure everyone has a story about MQing an epic for someone back in the day, but it certainly wasn't common in Velious.

[fastboy21]

Currently, yes.

But along with VSR and UDB and Triggered Fay comes hate and fear changes, which make epics more available.

Since lately and with respect to epics, the staff have been taking a "spirit" of classic approach to the game, removing epic MQs would be consistent with their recent decision making.

I'm sure everyone has a story about MQing an epic for someone back in the day, but it certainly wasn't common in Velious.

i wouldn't be surprised if it was removed on the next iteration of p99 (re99, etc.). the problem with removing all MQing entirely is that there are legitimate reasons to MQ.

while you are right that selling whole MQ Epics was VERY rare on live in velious, it was VERY common to MQ single bits for a friend or a guildmate that needed a piece. Lots of items go into a guild bank for the specific purpose of being MQ'd to a member that wasn't there to loot it himself.

the real problem remains that we are so far off timeline that there are just too many MQable bits compared to players that need them. the tipping came when it became easier to farm the plat to buy the MQ then to do the quest yourself. Anything they do right now is really just trying to fix a system that has been off kilter for a few years. i think they are looking for solutions that will work the next time around.

[Scoojitsu]

Anything they do right now is really just trying to fix a system that has been off kilter for a few years. i think they are looking for solutions that will work the next time around.

Wipe and restart would do! :)

I'd be fun to start from scratch. :cool:

[Man0warr]

if you are buying the scales, holding on the turn in for a few udb bps can help you pay the cost of the epic.

i agree that it would be unusual at first, but this is a static server. things are unusual here compared to live.

I mean non-bards wouldn't be turning in scales just to farm UDB. Whereas VSR you can spawn without any big investment.

[fastboy21]

I mean non-bards wouldn't be turning in scales just to farm UDB. Whereas VSR you can spawn without any big investment.

true enough. VSR doesn't drop items worth 150k though...

[Man0warr]

It drops stones that people can MQ for cash.

[maestrom]

It drops stones that people can MQ for cash.

Totally. And I expect, right away, that many VSR will go to epic MQ farmers.

However, We're going from 2-4 pulsing green stones a week (sell for 25k? each?) to as many as 14?

People will only farm as many as they can move for the money. Price should fall rather quickly unless most of the new rangers actually make it to 46+ without losing interest.

[Ele]

Or if people just stop buying stone MQs after that patch their won't be a reason for farmers to kill VSR besides griefing or alts.

[fastboy21]

Totally. And I expect, right away, that many VSR will go to epic MQ farmers.

However, We're going from 2-4 pulsing green stones a week (sell for 25k? each?) to as many as 14?

People will only farm as many as they can move for the money. Price should fall rather quickly unless most of the new rangers actually make it to 46+ without losing interest.

yeah...i'm not arguing that VSR isn't gonna be farmed. I was just arguing that UDB could be too.

the market on stones is gonna fall fast. the big reason that I think VSR will be over farmed is that its just so easy to get to/kill. at least UDB trak is a raid event.