Velious gear debates (Warrior)

[Bill Tetley]

Willsapper vs Blade of Strategy

Slow Proc Aggro/DPS vs Stats/Resists/HP

Hearing from some Warriors that they certainly plan to swap in Willsapper putting their epic away. While other Warriors conclude it's an awful idea as a raid tank to swap in Willsapper replacing the HP/Resists/STA of the MH epic.

Personally I think it's situational. Would rather MT trash with Willsapper and MT raid bosses with Epic.

Warlord vs Myrmidon

AC is king vs Stats/Resists/HP

On live players debated that the additional AC from Warlords was more important than the HP/Resists from Myrmidon. AC on P99 has been a subject of controversy for a long time.

Personally I'm leaning towards Myrmidon here... I just don't trust AC on P99 to take the HP/Resist hit of Warlords. While it's easy to cap the stats Myrmidon has to offer with raid buffs, the HP and resists IMO are too important to drop. Regardless both sets are relatively easy to obtain...

[Daldaen]

Regarding Willsapper vs Red Blade... A 60 warrior with some raid gear should be capping Stamina. You lose 15 HP and 5 resists swapping. However you gain 9 AC, more Melee aggro and more proc aggro. It's a no brainer swap. I can't think of when red blade is superior. When do 5 resists matter? And 15 HP vs 9 AC... See below.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2032260&postcount=42

According to Rogean, AC is King on important fights where tank survival is the paramount concern (AoW, Tunare, Vyemm).

When the person who can see and codes the AC calculations says AC is very important; I would be focusing on that.

Therefore Giant armor > Dragon armor for tanks.

In summary - Vulak or AoW rings should be tank only. 30 AC ring is tank ring. Same with Pauldrons of Deep Flames, Dozekar Wrists. Them ACs are win.

[Bill Tetley]

Sooo...

Red + Myrmidon = 385HP 30MR 22CR 23FR

Willsapper + Warlord = 345HP 17MR 14CR 9FR

Quite the hit IMO for a off chance that AC is actually worth a damn on P99.

[Ele]

Speaking of Willsapper...

http://i.imgur.com/Skcy2rA.jpg

[Bill Tetley]

Speaking of Willsapper...

http://i.imgur.com/Skcy2rA.jpg

Are you saying the stats are wrong? Interesting...

[Ele]

Are you saying the stats are wrong? Interesting...

That is Willsapper 1.0, gets upgraded with +4ac, +35 hp in June 2001. It is currently in game as post-upgrade.

[Daldaen]

Sooo...

Red + Myrmidon = 385HP 30MR 22CR 23FR

Willsapper + Warlord = 345HP 17MR 14CR 9FR

Quite the hit IMO for a off chance that AC is actually worth a damn on P99.

And tell me... When is a warrior not in a bard group when resists matter? Most important fights bards will be feeding clerics, DS/resisting warriors and left overs will be keeping highest DPS alive.

Warlord = 279 AC - 310 HP - 17 MR - 14 CR - 9 FR
Myrmidon = 250 AC - 335 HP - 25 MR - 17 CR - 18 FR


Just looked at the Wiki stats, yea that 25 HP vs 29 AC over a whole set. If it matters like Rogean says it does I'd definitely favor Giant armor over Dragon armor given the chance.

In the grand scheme of things it likely doesn't matter much but min maxing I think giant armor wins out.

[Bill Tetley]

And tell me... When is a warrior not in a bard group when resists matter?

That's only 40 HP, unless there's a typo in there that I'm missing? What's the AC differential between the sets?

Aye often the Warrior is with a Bard. But from my experience once that 255MR Bard gets feared those songs stop... Once debuffs or additional battle buffs/heals hit you, those buff slots fill up and those songs don't fit. Besides your CR/FR will still be rather low even with a Bard/Circles. While you're going to put the War with a Bard, it's not a guarantee that utility is going to last.

38 AC difference (with the willsapper in hand). What's the AC softcap for Velious? Guarantee it's hittable without Warlord armor. Never mind the fact there are many non armor pieces to slip in that have monsterous amounts of AC on them. To me you're going to hit diminishing returns on AC pretty quickly wearing Warlord while you could have the additional resists and HP from Myrmidon and the softcap+ AC at the same time.

[Daldaen]

On the 3 Velious fights with fear, that is correct. Having extra MR above and beyond 255 so that bard resists dropping doesn't drop you lower is nice. But on those mobs (Zlandicar, Klandicar and Sontalak) you're not particularly concerned with lowering their DI roll, as each of their max hits are rather low and therefore their DI is rather low. Getting hit for 300 vs 290
on Zlandicar is pretty irrelevant. Getting hit for 1100 vs 1050 becomes much more relevant.

As far as I'm aware, Rogean coded the AC here on his own and the values of our soft caps aren't known/based on classic values that you may find.

It's possible you hit the soft cap with Myrmidon, it's also possible it's very tough to hit the softcap at all. The way in which he talks about AC being important I would wager he set it rather high so that stacking AC has good returns on high DI/Max hit mobs. Just a guess here though, dunno if you can get anything definitive as far as values go.

[Colgate]

willsapper is way better than epic

warlord's is better than myrmidon's for tanking

[Bill Tetley]

willsapper is way better than epic

warlord's is better than myrmidon's for tanking

How come?

[Celatus]

Willsapper is better overall than epic due to more swing aggro the proc should be about the same aggro red blade being a bit more. I use SoD main hand and Trident in the offhand to slow mobs that cant be slowed via magic slows. That and I don't have a willsapper and likely wont get one since they are primary only.

The diff between the armor sets is pretty insignificant. Of the pieces i do use I use champions because its easier to get during off raid times via plate cycle. Stats are easy to cap if you chose your race right and capping MR is pretty easy with out a bard with a few gear changes. You can min max a few hps/ac with the right set but its not going to make or break you. I think i sit at just over 6k 1350ac vrs 5800ish 1300ish ac with mr gear on. Fear mobs generally dont hit that hard so the 200hps is not a big deal.

Whatever your guild is doing for armor runs will work.

[Freakish]

Willsapper is good. I prefer willsapper due to the consistency of hate per swing versus the much worse ratio of red blade. Ac vs hp is subjective and although I've banked red blade I do have my doubts on which is best. When you get vulak landing strings of 6 max hits with 1472ac, you realise that ac is only good to the extent that it prevent those strings. Right now with our current level of gear I am not able to lower the pressure on a cleric chain, I only increase the likelihood of surviving a chain snafu such as a cleric missing a spot or being delayed.