AoW down -- Legit!

[Detoxx]

Grats to Forsaken, Asgard and Taken for pulling together on the first legitimate AoW kill!!

Grats to:
Asgard (Shorts) on Helmet of Rallos Zek
Taken (Gorruk) on Warbow of Rallos Zek
Forsaken (TBD) on Blade of Carnage

Awesome work by all!

[CleanAsFk]

Fortakenguard so hot right now

[Pint]

+1 would do again

[Champion_Standing]

Wipe it clean

[teija]

Grats, Im sure it takes alot of effort to organize heals/tanks ect with 3 diff guilds and not being able to use guild chat to communicate A+ in that department.

Dat 150+ man rez/rush kill doe. :rolleyes:

[Pheer]

"legitimate"


lol

[Lenas]

How was the 5 guild kill not legit but a 3 guild kill is?

[Detoxx]

How was the 5 guild kill not legit but a 3 guild kill is?

Not about how many guilds, you guys wiped and recovered and picked it up at 40%. I guess it's more or less you technically wiped, ours was a clean through kill.

[Lenas]

I was just asking a question. I don't even play here. "You guys," lol.

[teija]

5 guilds did not kill aow on the last spawn, rampage got him to 50% and decided to camp after we lost a few tanks, the other guilds were in another corner waiting to pick it up, they speedbumped it 10% with 120 people or so, and rampage took back over from there with the kill from 45%-0

[Daldaen]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/AoWTanks_zpsf2wtlitj.png

172 Hits = Top DI roll
146 Hits = Other 19 DI rolls

Tanking summary for: Hermaphroditey --- Total damage: 206352 --- Avg hit: 598 --- Swings: 469 --- Defended: 74 (15.8%) --- Hit: 345 (73.6%) --- Missed: 50 (10.7%) --- Accuracy: 87.3% --- Dodged: 20 (4.8%) --- Parried: 30 (6.4%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 24 (5.5%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)

Need moar AC.

[Kungfufighting]

Grats!

here is a screenshot of the kill :

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4146/4945719930_0ea6408ccc_o.jpg

[JoeBob]

First to kill Avatar of War: Rampage

Legit.

[Madhammerz]

LOLOLOLOLOL

No

[Brujean]

2-legit-2-quit

[Lenas]

5 guilds did not kill aow on the last spawn, rampage got him to 50% and decided to camp after we lost a few tanks, the other guilds were in another corner waiting to pick it up, they speedbumped it 10% with 120 people or so, and rampage took back over from there with the kill from 45%-0

Thanks for the explanation. Congrats to the killerz.

[Joyelle]

How about we just call it first Avatar of War in one try. Neither kill is more legit than the other. You do what you have to do. Rampage had to abort, recover and then re-engage, Fortakengard had to rez-rush.

[JboxCSU]

I must not know what the word "legitimate" means.

Regardless, grats on the phat lewt.

[-Catherin-]

Server first AoW helm.

:p

[Skew]

I had fun.

[Spyder73]

Should have just made this in RnF and saved the mods time

[Herp]

RNF ---->

[Detoxx]

How about we just call it first Avatar of War in one try. Neither kill is more legit than the other. You do what you have to do. Rampage had to abort, recover and then re-engage, Fortakengard had to rez-rush.

Fortakengard...it has a ring to it.

[Sweettouch]

First to kill Avatar of War: Rampage

Legit.

[Lisset]

If you'd said first clean kill, you actually might have had something. But no, you had to make noise about Rampage's legit kill by trying to sully it. It was a legit kill and the first kill. A little sloppy, sure. But it's just silly (and petty) to basically say "Ours was the legit legit kill because...well...of the rules that I just made up.

Grats though. Sounds like a good clean kill. You can be proud of that at least.

[uygi]

Neither AoW kill on this server so far has been clean. Obvious fact!

It was fun as hell to watch though.

[xexbis0]

Fortakengard...it has a ring to it.

I just prefer FAT

[Kekephee]

Which guild gets to put this in their guild recruitment thread and say it was "their" kill and the other two guilds just "helped"?

[arsenalpow]

We were kicking around the name Vultron in our vent.

[xexbis0]

Which guild gets to put this in their guild recruitment thread and say it was "their" kill and the other two guilds just "helped"?

BDA, for their awe-inspiring, never-tiring, inspiration to be better.

[Lisset]

Neither AoW kill on this server so far has been clean. Obvious fact!

It was fun as hell to watch though.

Why do you ForsTakenGard's kill wasn't clean?

[Oleris]

where's your AoW kill BDA? :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Detoxx]

If you'd said first clean kill, you actually might have had something. But no, you had to make noise about Rampage's legit kill by trying to sully it. It was a legit kill and the first kill. A little sloppy, sure. But it's just silly (and petty) to basically say "Ours was the legit legit kill because...well...of the rules that I just made up.

Grats though. Sounds like a good clean kill. You can be proud of that at least.

Well technically, you camped out at 50, which if no other guild engaged, he'd have regenned back to full. You can't know for certain you'd have killed him from 100% or if you'd have even had time before he despawnned hence...can't be called legit.

Love my Rampage pals.

[Kekephee]

where's your AoW kill BDA? :D :D :D :D :D :D

Where's yours ;-)

[Oleris]

;)

[Spyder73]

Which guild gets to put this in their guild recruitment thread and say it was "their" kill and the other two guilds just "helped"?

Not BDA!

[Lisset]

Well technically, you camped out at 50, which if no other guild engaged, he'd have regenned back to full. You can't know for certain you'd have killed him from 100% hence...can't be called legit.


Can.

Is.

And of course we'd have killed him from 100%. Ask literally every single other boss in the game.

[Sweettouch]

Can.

Is.

And of course we'd have killed him from 100%. Ask literally every single other boss in the game.

Getting a lil too cocky there.

[Detoxx]

Can.

Is.

And of course we'd have killed him from 100%. Ask literally every single other boss in the game.

So you didnt kill him from 100% the first time but definitely would have the second time? I see.

[Clockw0rk]

Detoxx, last I checked Rampage didn't ask for any form of charity from whoever to engage last week. So, therefore, get the jelly out of your jimmies and shut up with this "legit" talk.

I am not a member of Rampage either

[Juevento]

where's your AoW kill BDA? :D :D :D :D :D :D

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1988529&postcount=1340

[arsenalpow]

Rampage has the server first legit kill, don't be dense. Grats to the 3 guild zergatron for killing AoW.

[khanable]

Grats on the kill, was a real nail bitter the last 5%!

[Maner]

Detoxx, last I checked Rampage didn't ask for any form of charity from whoever to engage last week. So, therefore, get the jelly out of your jimmies and shut up with this "legit" talk.

I am not a member of Rampage either

So it's charity when a guild tries to finish a dropped mob? You didn't have to ask yet it happened.

[Clockw0rk]

So it's charity when a guild tries to finish a dropped mob? You didn't have to ask yet it happened.

The way Detoxx phrased it as the kill wouldn't have happened without someone else engaging... I think it is a valid term to use.

[Detoxx]

Detoxx, last I checked Rampage didn't ask for any form of charity from whoever to engage last week. So, therefore, get the jelly out of your jimmies and shut up with this "legit" talk.

I am not a member of Rampage either

I mean you really think the other guilds engaged it to help Rampage? Lol charity?

[Madhammerz]

To RNF We go friends!!!

[Sweettouch]

You all can't be happy for anyone shit. Grats you guys

[teija]

I mean you really think the other guilds engaged it to help Rampage? Lol charity?

most people have no clue how this situation even went down, alot of people think it was just 200ish random people killing aow at once lol.

[Pheer]

Getting a lil too cocky there.

We got AoW to 6% with less rogues than we had at the server first kill

[Robbintha Hood]

Rampage has the server first legit kill, don't be dense. Grats to the 3 guild zergatron for killing AoW.

Zergatron...that has the best ring to it.

[Sweettouch]

We got AoW to 6% with less rogues than we had at the server first kill

We get it,Rampage has the most #'s etc. stop raining on peoples parade and let them bask in the glory

[Detoxx]

We got AoW to 6% with less rogues than we had at the server first kill

Is it hard to kill mobs with 22 clerics, 15 warriors and 20 rogues? Genuinely curious.

[Detoxx]

Rampage has the server first legit kill, don't be dense. Grats to the 3 guild zergatron for killing AoW.

So if 3 guilds collectively combine to match Rampages numbers, they're the zerg?

[Lanuven]

So if 3 guilds collectively combine to match Rampages numbers, they're the zerg?

Im not the best at math, but 160 people is not the same as 70. /boggle

[Xadion]

"legitimate"


lol

I still love Pheer, favorite poster on p99 :-D a lot of that has to do with the david the gnome...because every time I would see pheer start backtabbing away I would picture that damn little pissed off david the gnome pic just stabin shit! lol

:-P

[Detoxx]

Im not the best at math, but 160 people is not the same as 70. /boggle

Think their was 110. Ramp rolls with 90 plus.

[Clockw0rk]

I mean you really think the other guilds engaged it to help Rampage? Lol charity?

Not saying they did, was pointing out how dumb you were to claim that is what made their kill somehow NOT legit when it was something out of their control. They didn't ask for that engage so how can they be at fault.... learn logic bro.

[teija]

Is it hard to kill mobs with 22 clerics, 15 warriors and 20 rogues? Genuinely curious.

wondering where u got these numbers lol 22 clerics would be my wet-dream

[Juevento]

Is it hard to kill mobs with 22 clerics, 15 warriors and 20 rogues? Genuinely curious.

I love seeing Rampage's rogue armor wreck things. I often will post the results of /who Rampage rogue in guildchat.

With as much min/maxing that goes on on this server, its shocking to me the number of people who clicked the Ranger, Druid, SK, or Paladin button at character select.

[khanable]

Think their was 110. Ramp rolls with 90 plus.

71 were in attendance on last weeks AoW

shit, don't think i've seen higher than 75 since release week

i'd suck all the dicks for 22 clicks, 4 real

form a line

[Lanuven]

Think their was 110. Ramp rolls with 90 plus.

lulz [Fri Oct 09 16:43:47 2015] There are 69 players in Kael Drakkal.

[Kluwen1]

Awesome server first! Congratz guys!

[teija]

We got AoW to 6% with less rogues than we had at the server first kill

what seems more legit?

1. 70 man AoW attempt to 6% with 3 tanks(no rez during fight).

2. 150+ man AoW kill with 15+? tanks and rez/rushing everyone in sight

:cool:

[Xadion]

Legit minmaxxerquest question here...

okay glad BoC is dropping, ele-classicevangalistcs be damned...anywho

the "big" deal of BoC.. if I am not mistaken, along with the red epic, and later the Blade of War - is that it has a pure +hate proc- we wont get into the mechanics... but it essentially finally allowed warriors to keep a handle on their agro quite well...mostly get a proc or 2 in, esp red+boc then call assist and usualy if people did not go retardo agro was stable as procs started stacking... this was "BIG" from my exp in classic- like it was a game changer for guilds to get 1 or 2 BoC's so they could 1) increase assist call time and 2) increase stability on war tanking.

But here in p99 we know every damn trick in the book land and we have mallets and this and that and wort pots and bla bla bal... other than stats and dps... is a BoC as "game changing" now as it was then?

random tangent discussion!

Grats FAT!

[anotherfiz]

Both kills were clearly legit, but the first kill should definitely go to whoever participated in the first kill. so rampage + taken + whoever else helped in that "speedbump" time?

[teija]

Think their was 110. Ramp rolls with 90 plus.

110? ramp rolls with 90+? where do you get these ###s!!!!!

more like 70 =/

[khanable]

Legit minmaxxerquest question here...

okay glad BoC is dropping, ele-classicevangalistcs be damned...anywho

the "big" deal of BoC.. if I am not mistaken, along with the red epic, and later the Blade of War - is that it has a pure +hate proc- we wont get into the mechanics... but it essentially finally allowed warriors to keep a handle on their agro quite well...mostly get a proc or 2 in, esp red+boc then call assist and usualy if people did not go retardo agro was stable as procs started stacking... this was "BIG" from my exp in classic- like it was a game changer for guilds to get 1 or 2 BoC's so they could 1) increase assist call time and 2) increase stability on war tanking.

But here in p99 we know every damn trick in the book land and we have mallets and this and that and wort pots and bla bla bal... other than stats and dps... is a BoC as "game changing" now as it was then?

random tangent discussion!

Grats FAT!

BoC doesn't have the proc here, nor will it ever. cue elethia glassesitsclassicdealwithit.gif

it's a ranger weapon, basically

but yes, when enraging blow was added it was a straight +hate proc, similar to red epic (though red epic wasn't originally +hate, but pinpointing when it changed is impossible it seems)

Scepter of destruction is the big dick tank weapon to have here

[Rararboker]

Legit minmaxxerquest question here...

okay glad BoC is dropping, ele-classicevangalistcs be damned...anywho

the "big" deal of BoC.. if I am not mistaken, along with the red epic, and later the Blade of War - is that it has a pure +hate proc- we wont get into the mechanics... but it essentially finally allowed warriors to keep a handle on their agro quite well...mostly get a proc or 2 in, esp red+boc then call assist and usualy if people did not go retardo agro was stable as procs started stacking... this was "BIG" from my exp in classic- like it was a game changer for guilds to get 1 or 2 BoC's so they could 1) increase assist call time and 2) increase stability on war tanking.

But here in p99 we know every damn trick in the book land and we have mallets and this and that and wort pots and bla bla bal... other than stats and dps... is a BoC as "game changing" now as it was then?

random tangent discussion!

Grats FAT!


Edit: beat by Cucumbers

[zanderklocke]

This is a video game. None of this matters. This is dumb.

[Xadion]

BoC doesn't have the proc here, nor will it ever. cue elethia glassesitsclassicdealwithit.gif

it's a ranger weapon, basically

Scepter of destruction is the big dick tank weapon to have here

So the question...really... if it had the proc...would it really matter? to me it just seems kind of dumb and also not as "omgz" because of the insanely high use of clickies and the prevalence of red epic.

and...if mob dies, guild(s) didn't do bad things (trains hax whatever) then its legit, get pixles, get pussy...yeahhboy

[khanable]

So the question...really... if it had the proc...would it really matter? to me it just seems kind of dumb and also not as "omgz" because of the insanely high use of clickies and the prevalence of red epic.

and...if mob dies, guild(s) didn't do bad things (trains hax whatever) then its legit, get pixles, get pussy...yeahhboy

nice to have, though not necessary (imo)

[Xadion]

nice to have, though not necessary (imo)

Although pimp names like Cucumbers is indeed necessary, my shaman Watermelons agrees.

[Watermelon]

Although pimp names like Cucumbers is indeed necessary, my shaman Watermelons agrees.

so its you who stole my name and leaves bodies all over the damn place so i can be spammed with messages that my body is going to rot soon in random zones

[Daldaen]

Im not the best at math, but 160 people is not the same as 70. /boggle
Well... you can't really do a direct comparison between guilds numbers. About 10-20% I would wager weren't even level 60. Nothing like the level 55 clerics going OOM a CH or two early due to small mana pools and having to adjust chain for those gaps.

The numbers of the raid critical classes was pretty comparable... Of those 120~ there were tons of druids, shamans, enchanters, paladins, SKs and Paladins.

Compared to a Rampage raid... 18 Rogues, 15 Clerics, 10 Warriors, 2 Druids, 2 Enchanters, 1 Paladin, 1 SK, 1 Ranger. The amount of alt-swapping-min-maxing done on Rampage's raids doesn't really allow for direct number comparisons.

That being said, the kill was very lolzy, Tank swaps went poorly and lost too many to finish the fight with all the melee alive. Rez stick zerging last 10% was meh but definitely worth some laughs.

[Jexey]

Is it hard to kill mobs with 22 clerics, 15 warriors and 20 rogues? Genuinely curious.

You tell us.

[Xadion]

so its you who stole my name and leaves bodies all over the damn place so i can be spammed with messages that my body is going to rot soon in random zones

Yup, damn troll is dead all over misty thicket and OT... need to get him GM summoned again...again...lol

[Itap]

Grats Fortakengard

[Maner]

what seems more legit?

1. 70 man AoW attempt to 6% with 3 tanks(no rez during fight).

2. 150+ man AoW kill with 15+? tanks and rez/rushing everyone in sight

:cool:

One of those wasn't even a kill so how does it matter?

[wormed]

Is Rampage actually butthurt over someone else zerging? I've seen it all. Don't worry, Rampage, your guild comprises of the most hardcore of zerging nerds.

[Daldaen]

For those who like science:

Tanking summary for: Hermaphroditey --- Total damage: 206352 --- Avg hit: 598 --- Swings: 469 --- Defended: 74 (15.8%) --- Hit: 345 (73.6%) --- Missed: 50 (10.7%) --- Accuracy: 87.3% --- Dodged: 20 (4.8%) --- Parried: 30 (6.4%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 24 (5.5%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)

Tanking summary for: Scarlo --- Total damage: 109494 --- Avg hit: 604 --- Swings: 243 --- Defended: 39 (16%) --- Hit: 181 (74.5%) --- Missed: 23 (9.5%) --- Accuracy: 88.7% --- Dodged: 12 (5.6%) --- Parried: 12 (4.9%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 15 (6.5%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)

Tanking summary for: Shorts --- Total damage: 61374 --- Avg hit: 595 --- Swings: 142 --- Defended: 24 (16.9%) --- Hit: 103 (72.5%) --- Missed: 15 (10.6%) --- Accuracy: 87.3% --- Dodged: 8 (6.3%) --- Parried: 9 (6.3%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 5 (3.8%) --- Absorbed: 2 (1.4%)

Tanking summary for: Gorruk --- Total damage: 41364 --- Avg hit: 617 --- Swings: 91 --- Defended: 17 (18.7%) --- Hit: 67 (73.6%) --- Missed: 7 (7.7%) --- Accuracy: 90.5% --- Dodged: 4 (4.9%) --- Parried: 7 (7.7%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 3 (3.6%) --- Absorbed: 3 (3.3%)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/AoWTank_zpsk0lbycol.png

I would be curious what the AC Values were on each of these warriors when tanking AoW.

[Gimp]

So if 3 guilds collectively combine to match Rampages numbers, they're the zerg?

Good to see you're still p99's biggest delusional tard. Still making up numbers and such to fit whatever hilarious argument you're trying to make. Almost as good as the "we kill what we want to contest in VP" before we railed off about 80 in a row. You so funny.

Grats on the kill I guess?

PS, do you concede?

[fiveeauxfour]

@Dald

the gorruk parse might not mean too much as his hit # isnt that high compared to the others

[Artaenc]

Rampage has the server first legit kill, don't be dense. Grats to the 3 guild zergatron for killing AoW.

Disagree, legit kill would have been allowing the AoW to regen to full health first before pulling before the timer runs out.

[fastboy21]

Wait...someone beat EQ?

[Daldaen]

More logs fun - Bolds are tank deaths.

[Wed Oct 14 20:04:19 2015] Hermaphroditey assumes a defensive fighting style.
[Wed Oct 14 20:05:04 2015] Musta has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:07:04 2015] Hermaphroditey shouts, '{TANK SWAP} -- Gorruk --'
[Wed Oct 14 20:07:14 2015] Hermaphroditey has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:07:16 2015] Reep has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:07:19 2015] Shankster has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:07:23 2015] Scryll has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:07:59 2015] Gorruk has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:08:00 2015] Thadieus has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:08:04 2015] Euth has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:08:06 2015] Mamael has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:09:26 2015] Scarlo has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:10:26 2015] Shorts has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:10:28 2015] Zahib has been slain by The Avatar of War!

Was about 12% HP here.

http://tankadinerrant.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/zerg-rush.jpg

-- SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS --

[Wed Oct 14 20:10:38 2015] Steelz has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:10:43 2015] Boptii has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:10:53 2015] Daymar has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:10:57 2015] Xenzu has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:00 2015] Arthon has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:04 2015] Ataka has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:06 2015] Karobab has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:09 2015] Tomaxx has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:12 2015] Elmarnieh has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:16 2015] Farsight has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:17 2015] Darthan has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:21 2015] Slitha has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:22 2015] The Avatar of War has become ENRAGED.
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:23 2015] Fuge has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:23 2015] Ladros has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:24 2015] Wildien has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:24 2015] Lasarer has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:25 2015] Ferocity has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:25 2015] Stabzer has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:25 2015] Stifling has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:25 2015] Lonantik has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:25 2015] Fifield has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:26 2015] Jonwayne has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:26 2015] Trunge has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:29 2015] Endoril has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:30 2015] Fiftyfour has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:30 2015] Gabekab has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:31 2015] Dripping has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:31 2015] Cukazi has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:35 2015] Jonn has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:35 2015] The Avatar of War is no longer enraged.
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:43 2015] Senior Guard Mjredner has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:11:47 2015] Guard Fleshflayer has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:12:09 2015] Jeromey has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:12:10 2015] Maldar has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:12:12 2015] Reiatsu has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:12:14 2015] Flayre has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:13:03 2015] Benjaman has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:13:05 2015] Hermaphroditey has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:13:07 2015] Cfour has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:13:27 2015] Docx has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:13:29 2015] Thadieus has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:13:32 2015] Velili has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:13:34 2015] Slitha has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:13:36 2015] Wildien has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:13:41 2015] Ccoold has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:14:17 2015] Bitie has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Wed Oct 14 20:14:35 2015] Larab has been slain by The Avatar of War!

[jcr4990]

Hey guys lets get Rampage BDA Asgard Taken Forsaken Divinity Omni Europa together and get server first legit Tunare kill

https://media.giphy.com/media/13GKP7xGjce5oI/giphy.gif

[Artaenc]

Hey guys lets get Rampage BDA Asgard Taken Forsaken Divinity Omni Europa together and get server first legit Tunare kill

https://media.giphy.com/media/13GKP7xGjce5oI/giphy.gif

Don't we have that scheduled for this weekend already with the Triforce? So if we get the entire server to help kill the trash would it sill be a legit kill? I hope so...

[karanastorm]

what seems more legit?

1. 70 man AoW attempt to 6% with 3 tanks(no rez during fight).

2. 150+ man AoW kill with 15+? tanks and rez/rushing everyone in sight

:cool:

I would say option 2 and he is why. 150 people working outside each others accustom play style and without coordination of a talk service or guild chat. Yeah that is something awe inspiring to see on P99 and it shows that people can work together.

As far as option one is concerned, well I was there and seen it go down. If you got to camp out your raid at 50% then what makes you think they would of did it from 100-0 after that? If a guild logs out to save deaths on a raid target at 50% then that is not a clean or legit kill even if another guild or guilds engage right after.

As far as AOW tonight it was awesome to watch as Asgard pretty much had the upper hand in getting it all running smoothly with taken and Forsaken.

Congrats to Asgard, Taken, and Forsaken! Well done guys.

[Phantasm]

i once disengaged an orc pawn

then I stood up and killed it

is that not legit

[Jfertal]

Congrats gimpatron 3.0

[karanastorm]

Don't we have that scheduled for this weekend already with the Triforce? So if we get the entire server to help kill the trash would it sill be a legit kill? I hope so...


For Tunare to be legit kill a guild has to legitimately kill the entire zone then engage her at the end of the long long long hours of raiding with whoever they got left. In classic not everyone could stay the entire 6 to 9 hours to clear.

I find it funny Rampage used everyone to help them clear POG then has the nerve to say they were testing Tunare for practice, lmao you all got USED with all caps.

[Pokesan]

This is a video game. None of this matters. This is dumb.

[karanastorm]

So much sense in that I can not begin.

[captnamazing]

Congrats dudes and gals on killing a raid mob that came out over a decade ago and we knew everything about. I think it's pretty cool. But a kill is a kill and Rampage did it first. So grats Ramp and grats Gimpatron 2.0!!!

[Pint]

itt bda salty about not getting invited to the party

[teija]

For Tunare to be legit kill a guild has to legitimately kill the entire zone then engage her at the end of the long long long hours of raiding with whoever they got left. In classic not everyone could stay the entire 6 to 9 hours to clear.

I find it funny Rampage used everyone to help them clear POG then has the nerve to say they were testing Tunare for practice, lmao you all got USED with all caps.

Everyone that was there that day wanted to be. A ton of people walked away like 30 pieces of random armor pieces they needed, We were all there over 9 hrs and was fun times for all involved. Im sure everyone there respected the fact that we wanted to try Tunare as a guild(70ish people), and not just zerg her down with no challenge.

[Jfertal]

itt bda salty about not getting invited to the party

yes

[Donton]

Nothing like arguing over who got a server first "legit" kill on content 15 years old. Flash-forward five years and the same people will still be fighting over these same mobs. The stuff people bicker about on these forums is unreal and really kinda sad.

[jcr4990]

All I want is to be able to put "Legit AoW kill" on my resume :( Why u gotta crush my dreams?

[karanastorm]

Nothing like arguing over who got a server first "legit" kill on content 15 years old. Flash-forward five years and the same people will still be fighting over these same mobs. The stuff people bicker about on these forums is unreal and really kinda sad.

Because raiders who put in time from their normal lives (which believe it or not most work still on p99) have a real sense of accomplishment and pride in what they do, even for a game this old the remake into classic focuses that challenge again for players, not like your typical MMO today that gives it all to you. At least on P99 classic you got to work for it to get to that point and when you do it instills a sense of pride into each player. That is why people bicker and argue over trivial shit here and will continue. The same as gangs who control their blocks.

[Joyelle]

As far as AOW tonight it was awesome to watch as Asgard pretty much had the upper hand in getting it all running smoothly with taken and Forsaken.

Congrats to Asgard, Taken, and Forsaken! Well done guys.

All 3 guilds put in an equal amount of work on this kill. Nobody really had "the upper hand". Communication was definitely difficult as we were running 3 different voice comms and 3 different guild chats but we got through it better than could be expected in that situation.

[Pokesan]

hmm. imo neither kill was legit!

BDA, you can still win Velious. All you have to do is take time off work to play a video game and also be a lot better at video games

I believe in you!

[Detoxx]

Congrats dudes and gals on killing a raid mob that came out over a decade ago and we knew everything about. I think it's pretty cool. But a kill is a kill and Rampage did it first. So grats Ramp and grats Gimpatron 2.0!!!

I mean, there isnt some secret strat now or even back in 2000. Its a tank and spank. Wanna duel bro?

[Donton]

Because raiders who put in time from their normal lives (which believe it or not most work still on p99) have a real sense of accomplishment and pride in what they do, even for a game this old the remake into classic focuses that challenge again for players, not like your typical MMO today that gives it all to you. At least on P99 classic you got to work for it to get to that point and when you do it instills a sense of pride into each player. That is why people bicker and argue over trivial shit here and will continue. The same as gangs who control their blocks.

:eek:

If you log into an emulated version of a 20 year old video game and feel accomplished and instilled with pride, you should really try some new things in life. These are the same people that fought tooth and nail for the 400th Trakanon spawn.

[Pokesan]

video games are for children

[Jfertal]

Nothing like arguing over who got a server first "legit" kill on content 15 years old. Flash-forward five years and the same people will still be fighting over these same mobs. The stuff people bicker about on these forums is unreal and really kinda sad.

I just beat diablo 1 legit last night, I felt accomplished. I didn't get demonspike coat this round, but going to hit it again, and hope for the best! Got some great jewelry and weapons though!!

[JurisDictum]

I think today's AoW kill was a good sign of server health compared to what p1999 looked like 2 years ago. The fact that Velious cannot be completely dominated by guild and other people get a chance to kill real mobs is cool. This expansion should be much more sustainable than the last.

[captnamazing]

i'm down detoxx :)

[Kekephee]

itt bda salty about not getting invited to the party

itt a bunch of Asgard and Forsaken get super cocky and call Rampage and us out and strut around like they've done something miraculous, and we all respond by pointing out that what happened here is by no means interesting aside from, you know, it's cool that some people got some AoW gear, those people are lucky and we all wish we were them.


Honestly, congrats to loot winners, and it's a big step forward, but for people to be talking to Rampage and us like they've beaten the game and we've lost is just... sad. And directly being like "OHHH SHIT, TAKE THAT HA HA HAAA, YOU MUDDAFUCKAAAAS HOW DOES THAT DICK TASTE" is ridiculous and not super classy. Especially considering the state of things with regards to how our guilds have been competing lately- each guild has had some pretty decent wins and has a lot going for them, and by no means are any of these guilds other than Rampage really "dominating" anything- we've all had some really pathetic losses and wipes, too.


I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you need two of your friends to help you beat a guy up, maybe don't do a touchdown dance around the guy while he's tending to his bloody nose. The guy is Rampage, by the way, not the AoW.

[Sweettouch]

Why can't you idiots be happy that 1 guild isn't dominating this shit? seriously. I am glad it isn't like that anymore.
Well minus ST

[Fifield]

How about those hot rolls? The guild ridicule Reep and I had to go through!

[Wed Oct 14 18:18:29 2015] **A Magic Die is rolled by Fifield.
[Wed Oct 14 18:18:29 2015] **It could have been any number from 0 to 1000, but this time it turned up a 29.
[Wed Oct 14 18:18:31 2015] **A Magic Die is rolled by Reep.
[Wed Oct 14 18:18:31 2015] **It could have been any number from 0 to 1000, but this time it turned up a 3.
[Wed Oct 14 18:18:34 2015] **A Magic Die is rolled by Innie.
[Wed Oct 14 18:18:34 2015] **It could have been any number from 0 to 1000, but this time it turned up a 157.

[Kekephee]

[Wed Oct 14 18:18:31 2015] **A Magic Die is rolled by Reep.
[Wed Oct 14 18:18:31 2015] **It could have been any number from 0 to 1000, but this time it turned up a 3.

That must have been seriously painful. My heart goes out to him.

[Oleris]

pint with the luck dice

[Sorn]

Congratulations on phat lewtz! I don't even know what people got because it's too high end for me to understand.

And I believe this guild rivalry should be settled with a ChEQmate battle. Winner gets bragging rights and some eggnog! I only suggest the eggnog because I happen to have some that I was saving for the winter holidays. It's pretty uber. +40 holiday spirit!

[Detoxx]

itt a bunch of Asgard and Forsaken get super cocky and call Rampage and us out and strut around like they've done something miraculous, and we all respond by pointing out that what happened here is by no means interesting aside from, you know, it's cool that some people got some AoW gear, those people are lucky and we all wish we were them.


Honestly, congrats to loot winners, and it's a big step forward, but for people to be talking to Rampage and us like they've beaten the game and we've lost is just... sad. And directly being like "OHHH SHIT, TAKE THAT HA HA HAAA, YOU MUDDAFUCKAAAAS HOW DOES THAT DICK TASTE" is ridiculous and not super classy. Especially considering the state of things with regards to how our guilds have been competing lately- each guild has had some pretty decent wins and has a lot going for them, and by no means are any of these guilds other than Rampage really "dominating" anything- we've all had some really pathetic losses and wipes, too.


I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you need two of your friends to help you beat a guy up, maybe don't do a touchdown dance around the guy while he's tending to his bloody nose. The guy is Rampage, by the way, not the AoW.

Its all in good fun, man. Im just busting balls cause I knew Rampages jimmies would get so rustled over this that im getting tells. It was and awesome kill, 3 guilds worked really well together and we got down the hardest mob in Velious.

[jcr4990]

hardest mob in Velious.Tunare would like a word

[Culkasi]

So any guild awesome enough to kill AoW surely no longer has reason to kill every single Kunark mob every single week? Right? Means more room for casuals to raid a bit again? Right? Surely?

Grats Fortakenguard (I like that name), great kill, I can only imagine the amount of highfives in those vents :)

[Tasslehofp99]

Title of the thread needs to be changed to salt and vinegar, lol seems to be a lot of mad and jelly peeps.


Grats to all involved, always cool to see guilds working together. Wish I could have made the kill, was stuck at school :(

[Tasslehofp99]

itt a bunch of Asgard and Forsaken get super cocky and call Rampage and us out and strut around like they've done something miraculous, and we all respond by pointing out that what happened here is by no means interesting aside from, you know, it's cool that some people got some AoW gear, those people are lucky and we all wish we were them.


Honestly, congrats to loot winners, and it's a big step forward, but for people to be talking to Rampage and us like they've beaten the game and we've lost is just... sad. And directly being like "OHHH SHIT, TAKE THAT HA HA HAAA, YOU MUDDAFUCKAAAAS HOW DOES THAT DICK TASTE" is ridiculous and not super classy. Especially considering the state of things with regards to how our guilds have been competing lately- each guild has had some pretty decent wins and has a lot going for them, and by no means are any of these guilds other than Rampage really "dominating" anything- we've all had some really pathetic losses and wipes, too.


I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you need two of your friends to help you beat a guy up, maybe don't do a touchdown dance around the guy while he's tending to his bloody nose. The guy is Rampage, by the way, not the AoW.

:eek: double post just to cringe

[Prismaticshop]

My heart goes out to Reep, Bro, that roll...

[Prismaticshop]

Technically Rampage is 3 guys too :

#1 IB , #2 A Team #3 all Ex TMOs who jumped the gun.

It's only legit to have Fortakenguard ally, it's actually 3 vs 3...

[Detoxx]

My heart goes out to Reep, Bro, that roll...

And he was bitching about how horrible my dice were...

[radda]

Tunare would like a word

Tulare is broken, confirmed through that gramps kill

[Vianna]

I mean can Rampage kill it alone from 100% to 0% ? They haven't yet. They seem upset though.

[Pheer]

did you guys batphone a forum troll zergrush on this thread or something

[whatev]

Clean as fuck...

UNTZ

[khanable]

Tulare is broken, confirmed through that gramps kill

What is broken? Did you bug report it?

[Itap]

The numbers of the raid critical classes was pretty comparable... Of those 120~ there were tons of druids, shamans, enchanters, paladins, SKs and Paladins.

So many paladins, you had to list them twice :p

[arsenalpow]

Forsaken
Asgard
Taken

Maybe?

[Joyelle]

Forsaken
Asgard
Taken

Maybe?

Sorry, you misspelled PHAT

[Kodim]

Has anyone pointed out when AoW jumped up to top of arena?

I puckered. Is that an issue with using that side of the corner?

[t3kn34k]

Have fraps of both attempts, you be the judge.


Kill #1 : Rampage
https://youtu.be/mv884g3f1VY (Disclaimer: CLEAN AS FUCK)

Kill #2 : ForsTakenGard
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/196505/hungry-hungry-hippos-o.gif

Grats 8)

[khanable]

Has anyone pointed out when AoW jumped up to top of arena?

I puckered. Is that an issue with using that side of the corner?

That's just a general issue with all mobs. Corners are being odd lately. All corners.

[Ella`Ella]

How many AoW loots does BDA have?

[Gimp]

How many AoW loots does BDA have?

As many as Empire

[Freakish]

I'm glad you guys got it. It's fun killing a baddie as hard as AoW! Congrats!

[reborn649]

Grats guys! I must say the legit statement is a bit unnecessary tho.. Rampage got the first kill and you guys got the second kill.

If any random guild thinks they can snipe AoW, ends up not being able to, and the original guild that got it from X% to Y% health finishes it off, seems legit.

If any random guilds combine and have to rez rush repeatedly in order to kill a target, seems no more legit than the first example.

These aren't apples and oranges. AoW died twice, plain and simple. As long as it wasn't exploited in some weird way, both should be considered legitimate kills. Anyone who sees it otherwise is either seriously salty or just looking to rustle jimmies.

[Scryll]

That's just a general issue with all mobs. Corners are being odd lately. All corners.

Also walls in general, atleast in Halls of Testing and NToV. For example, try wall locking a wurm in the area around Invisible wall in HoT. Its going to either #1 Fall through the world or #2 Go inside the wall and become invurnable.

[radda]

Have fraps of both attempts, you be the judge.


Kill #1 : Rampage
https://youtu.be/mv884g3f1VY (Disclaimer: CLEAN AS FUCK)

Kill #2 : ForsTakenGard
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/196505/hungry-hungry-hippos-o.gif

Grats 8)

Is fat"phat" the hippos or the jawbreakers?

[Ella`Ella]

Grats guys! I must say the legit statement is a bit unnecessary tho.. Rampage got the first kill and you guys got the second kill.

If any random guild thinks they can snipe AoW, ends up not being able to, and the original guild that got it from X% to Y% health finishes it off, seems legit.

If any random guilds combine and have to rez rush repeatedly in order to kill a target, seems no more legit than the first example.

These aren't apples and oranges. AoW died twice, plain and simple. As long as it wasn't exploited in some weird way, both should be considered legitimate kills. Anyone who sees it otherwise is either seriously salty or just looking to rustle jimmies.

Jesus Christ, Carrina - Did you even finish your trial period yet before nutswingin'?

(And just for the record, in my book, a kill is a kill - there is no legitimate or illegitimate unless yowl spoitin')

[khanable]

Also walls in general, atleast in Halls of Testing and NToV. For example, try wall locking a wurm in the area around Invisible wall in HoT. Its going to either #1 Fall through the world or #2 Go inside the wall and become invurnable.

http://i.imgur.com/he16DYB.jpg

[Daldaen]

What is broken? Did you bug report it?

Didn't watch the full video but I don't think I ever saw one of your tanks get blasted out of Melee range and promptly rooted after. Which I believe was the original catalyst for the ogre wall strategy, and one of the largest challenges of the encounter. I may have missed it though.

As it stands however, I don't see any guild other than Rampage being able to beat Tunare for a very long time. Even with 18 rogues 10 warriors and 6 wizards it took 6 minutes to burn through 800k HP. I don't see any other guild being able to bring that level of DPS.

Maybe the Asgard/Forsaken/Taken conglomerate can run an open PoGrowth raid and bring that level of DPS to kill Tunare.

On this topic - Running a Growth raid should earn you access to Tunare, to prevent guilds from leapfrogging after a 4 hour clear. That would be mega shitty. Killing Ali or something should give you access to a Tunare attempt once the zone is clear.

[maestrom]

On this topic - Running a Growth raid should earn you access to Tunare, to prevent guilds from leapfrogging after a 4 hour clear. That would be mega shitty. Killing Ali or something should give you access to a Tunare attempt once the zone is clear.

FTE always sounded a little silly to me. Routinely, in classic, Guides/GMs applied a first in force rule on Nameless. It wasn't enough to tag a monster, you had to have your raid force there. It went a little further than that though, when a target was in window, the guild who got their raid there first got the spawn. In essence, raid targets were "campable".

I totally get that no one wants poopsocking. But poopsocking happens anyways. Certainly now we have enough targets that we don't have to worry about 1 guild locking down all of the content. A first-in-force camping rule would force guilds to prioritize their targets.

[falkun]

FTE always sounded a little silly to me. Routinely, in classic, Guides/GMs applied a first in force rule on Nameless. It wasn't enough to tag a monster, you had to have your raid force there. It went a little further than that though, when a target was in window, the guild who got their raid there first got the spawn. In essence, raid targets were "campable".

I totally get that no one wants poopsocking. But poopsocking happens anyways. Certainly now we have enough targets that we don't have to worry about 1 guild locking down all of the content. A first-in-force camping rule would force guilds to prioritize their targets.

Except its pretty easy to camp a mob from death to spawn...You must be new here, I'll forgive you.

[reborn649]

Jesus Christ, Carrina - Did you even finish your trial period yet before nutswingin'?

(And just for the record, in my book, a kill is a kill - there is no legitimate or illegitimate unless yowl spoitin')

??

Just stated literally what you did "A kill is a kill" but a hair more detailed.

[Daldaen]

Eh I don't mind FTE too much for *most* targets. But some things it's shitty on.

Statue for example, Rampage did a good job FTEing it and holding a kite of their train. That mob is fine to FTE. Since not much clearing is required.

Something like Tunare that you have to clear an entire zone to engage or Cazic Thule 2.0 when he is added... Those are really shitty to FTE. It just becomes a game of who will devote too many resources to clearing trash only to get leapfrogged on the final mob.

I mentioned this during beta regarding ToV and people ignored it though. Certain things really should not be allowed to occur like leapfrogging a guild after they've cleared half the zones trash.

But... That's a topic for another thread sorry to derail.

[khanable]

Didn't watch the full video but I don't think I ever saw one of your tanks get blasted out of Melee range and promptly rooted after. Which I believe was the original catalyst for the ogre wall strategy, and one of the largest challenges of the encounter. I may have missed it though.

As it stands however, I don't see any guild other than Rampage being able to beat Tunare for a very long time. Even with 18 rogues 10 warriors and 6 wizards it took 6 minutes to burn through 800k HP. I don't see any other guild being able to bring that level of DPS.

Maybe the Asgard/Forsaken/Taken conglomerate can run an open PoGrowth raid and bring that level of DPS to kill Tunare.

On this topic - Running a Growth raid should earn you access to Tunare, to prevent guilds from leapfrogging after a 4 hour clear. That would be mega shitty. Killing Ali or something should give you access to a Tunare attempt once the zone is clear.

Watch the video. She certainly does a knock back and we make use of ogres to keep us in range. She doesn't root - she snares. Depending on weapons she can snare a lot. Hehe.

If she is supposed to actually root then yeah she isn't doing that.

[maestrom]

*For another thread.

[Daldaen]

Watch the video. She certainly does a knock back and we make use of ogres to keep us in range. She doesn't root - she snares. Depending on weapons she can snare a lot. Hehe.

If she is supposed to actually root then yeah she isn't doing that.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=1745

This is what I was talking about not seeing, I saw the knockback. It's a 1min unresistable root, with 300 range and 4 sec recast. It was perpetually cast on the main tank, when used in conjunction with the knock back, on a rooted mob... She basically punts your main tank out of range, roots him, and then she turns to fight the next person on aggro. Forcing a constant tank swap, providing a huge challenge in the encounter, how do you cope with those tank/heal swaps on a mob that has such high output DPS.

I would guess her nuke could randomly break the root allowing you to move back up but I definitely recall it still being a huge nuisance to deal with. EDIT - My recollection is clearly not Velious era because only like 2 guilds killed her in Velious. But the root effect was talked about in 2002 and ways to cope with it are also discussed on Allakhazam. So I doubt it was added afterwards... I'll check April 2001 spdats to see if it's in there. However judging by her loot we are dealing with a late 2001/2002 version anyways.

[khanable]

I'll check my logs when home

Keep in mind she is perma rooted here. I vaguely remember that not being the case early on. She was positionable.

[FatMice]

Sorry I am late to the game! I got a post in the most epic thread of all time.

Grats to my Forsaken buddies and to Asgard and Taken. I saw the batphone and really wish I could have logged in.

[Jfertal]

Jesus Christ, Carrina - Did you even finish your trial period yet before nutswingin'?

(And just for the record, in my book, a kill is a kill - there is no legitimate or illegitimate unless yowl spoitin')

You're illegitimate.

[ddxdy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc

[Artaenc]

So any guild awesome enough to kill AoW surely no longer has reason to kill every single Kunark mob every single week? Right? Means more room for casuals to raid a bit again? Right? Surely?

Grats Fortakenguard (I like that name), great kill, I can only imagine the amount of highfives in those vents :)

Culkasi don't worry we don't really go after Kunark mobs that we don't need an epic for someone that's pushing for it. Hope you guys get many kills in the future, I enjoy seeing you guys get kills. We're off Sev/Fay/VS/Maestro/Talendor/Vox right now until we get a player that finds time to sink into getting their epic. Once in a while we'll still go for it though.

[arsenalpow]

Culkasi don't worry we don't really go after Kunark mobs that we don't need an epic for someone that's pushing for it. Hope you guys get many kills in the future, I enjoy seeing you guys get kills. We're off Sev/Fay/VS/Maestro/Talendor/Vox right now until we get a player that finds time to sink into getting their epic. Once in a while we'll still go for it though.

That's pretty much how BDA is handling epic content. If someone really needs an epic we'll go chase, but if not we won't care so much. I think that's why Taken cleaned up in old world/Kunark last weekend.

[Daldaen]

That's pretty much how BDA is handling epic content. If someone really needs an epic we'll go chase, but if not we won't care so much. I think that's why Taken cleaned up in old world/Kunark last weekend.

For level 60 mains who are semi-active and have completed all steps of their epic excluding the raid ones, we would need:

4 earth staves
3 slime bloods
3 green dragon scales
2 gnarled staves
2 Trak guts/associated scales

This is considering only level 60 mains. There are quite a players level 55-59 (cause semi-casual guild) who raid a relatively similar amount who also just lack these items as well who I didn't include in the counts.

Thus a Kunark killfest.

In 1 month the Mage/Necro epics are pushed onto minis and bard epic onto UDB (UDB is same patch right? I forget my classic here). In 2 months VS is a 3 day spawn and staff drop should increase to 80% or more. In 4 months Hoshkar should resume dropping green scales.

After those updates, expect less of a focus to be placed on Kunark epic mobs.

PS - Will trade VS Stones or Inny Stones for above listed MQs cause no rangers.

[fandAONgo]

grats forsaken on the only legit aow kill

best guild on the soivah

[topgun1027]

I would say option 2 and he is why. 150 people working outside each others accustom play style and without coordination of a talk service or guild chat. Yeah that is something awe inspiring to see on P99 and it shows that people can work together.

As far as option one is concerned, well I was there and seen it go down. If you got to camp out your raid at 50% then what makes you think they would of did it from 100-0 after that? If a guild logs out to save deaths on a raid target at 50% then that is not a clean or legit kill even if another guild or guilds engage right after.

As far as AOW tonight it was awesome to watch as Asgard pretty much had the upper hand in getting it all running smoothly with taken and Forsaken.

Congrats to Asgard, Taken, and Forsaken! Well done guys.

Sums up AoW fights well put . Best post on this whole thing real honest and true.

[falkun]

I don't think anyone's faulting you Dald/Taken (at least I'm not). I'm still actively pursuing Trakanon kills for the exact same reason (and yes, UDB is instituted at the same time as the Hate/Fear revamps).

Should start considering UDB rotation similar to Ragefire until that MASSIVE backlog of Bard epics gets sorted out...

[Daldaen]

A man can dream.

Keep in mind, a Trakanon rotation was proposed and it was shot down by your glorious leader because he wanted all Trakanons.

I hope people are more rational about UDB. Though... I'd guess the reserves of White/Red scales would hinder too terribly huge of a bottleneck on that piece.

PS - I love derailing threads.

[falkun]

Wasn't talking Trakanon, was talking UDB. No point in hoarding UDB's for a single Trak BP, spawned Trak doesn't drop VP teeth.

[Daldaen]

I'm aware but a rotation that would've included shot at Trak guts was shot down for the opportunity to hoard teeth.

I don't see anyone hoarding UDBs for the rare Manna Robe drop... But who knows? I do see guilds trying to get back to back UDBs for Bard epics though. But as I said, you still need raid dropped scales to complete the epic, so there's not going to be 10 bards from each guild trying for UDB. I'm also not familiar with the UDB spawn mechanic.

It should slim out the list of bards ready pretty quickly.

Is it 24 hours after death so 1 UDB per Trakanon or is it a 24 Hr spawn while Trakanon is not up, I.E. You can get 2-3 UDBs in between Trakanon kills. I'm thinking the former?

I love derailing threads on accident.

[falkun]

From everything I've found, its almost exactly like Ragefire:
1) After real Trakanon(Nagafen) dies, a placeholder, non-KOS mob spawns (UDB ~18hr [1][2]).
2) You turn in your lute body to UDB, he returns the body, becomes KOS.
3) Kill UDB, Trak spawns.
4) Kill Trak, congrats guts(heart) and single Trak BP(ragefire armor/COF).
5) UDB spawns again >=12hr later [3][4].
6) Once Trak spawns, UDB despawns [5].
7) Return to step 1.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20010420165608/http://www.eqdiva.com/quests/sss.asp
[2] http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=756#m11509569936451
[3] http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6415#m1437864697295241726
[4] http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6415#m1369664102126822700
[5] http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6415#m120518636716186902

[Daldaen]

I dunno how much work has been done on this but that may be worth a post in the bug forum / Velious Quest forum for our March 2001 patch to be correct.

[Nirgon]

U did it

[arsenalpow]

I think the lute body requires red and white scales, so not exactly a trivial turn in

[maestrom]

I think the lute body requires red and white scales, so not exactly a trivial turn in

It's not trivial no.

But is it wild to imagine someone investing in another lute body to farm kunark BPs?

It only takes 1 lute body to spawn trak forever.

[dafier]

This thread belongs in R&F because it's a joke at best, sorta like the OP.

[Artaenc]

This thread belongs in R&F because it's a joke at best, sorta like the OP.

You mean your account should only be allowed to post on RnF where your own guild mates attempt to stop you from dragging your guild name through the mud.

[dafier]

You mean your account should only be allowed to post on RnF where your own guild mates attempt to stop you from dragging your guild name through the mud.



Forum mods, see above.

Thank you,

[Oleris]

I think the lute body requires red and white scales, so not exactly a trivial turn in

can get red scales from the hole I believe with the revamp. Only real "hard" part would be white scales from vox/gore

[Alunova]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=1745

This is what I was talking about not seeing, I saw the knockback. It's a 1min unresistable root, with 300 range and 4 sec recast. It was perpetually cast on the main tank, when used in conjunction with the knock back, on a rooted mob... She basically punts your main tank out of range, roots him, and then she turns to fight the next person on aggro. Forcing a constant tank swap, providing a huge challenge in the encounter, how do you cope with those tank/heal swaps on a mob that has such high output DPS.

I would guess her nuke could randomly break the root allowing you to move back up but I definitely recall it still being a huge nuisance to deal with. EDIT - My recollection is clearly not Velious era because only like 2 guilds killed her in Velious. But the root effect was talked about in 2002 and ways to cope with it are also discussed on Allakhazam. So I doubt it was added afterwards... I'll check April 2001 spdats to see if it's in there. However judging by her loot we are dealing with a late 2001/2002 version anyways.

Spell existed in the original Velious spell file.

Fixed, pending update. We also know that her knockback is weaker than it should be and we are looking into that.

[Daldaen]

Nice! Thanks Alunova, I probably should've posted in bug reports but I tend to prefer to not do that based on another guilds video. First hand experience > fraps questing some classic quest.

[Erati]

Praise Daldaen for protecting the Mother!

Praise Tunare!

[Joyelle]

Praise Daldaen for protecting the Mother!

Praise Tunare!

[arsenalpow]

It's not trivial no.

But is it wild to imagine someone investing in another lute body to farm kunark BPs?

It only takes 1 lute body to spawn trak forever.

Are you saying you think someone could essentially go infinite by investing an initial red/white scale, killing trak, selling the guts and BP, and still net a profit each loop? I mean it's not crazy but I think your interpretation of the ROI is way way off.

[Nirgon]

Dont hate the emulator hate the game

[Daldaen]

That's tempting to do, to get banked guts so you can just MQ them to future bards and grind out all your Trak's you will need in a week or two.

But honestly I could see UDB sitting up for a few hours at a time after the first month or two of bards who have scales already contesting it

[maestrom]

Are you saying you think someone could essentially go infinite by investing an initial red/white scale, killing trak, selling the guts and BP, and still net a profit each loop? I mean it's not crazy but I think your interpretation of the ROI is way way off.

When you hand the lute to UDB, he gives it right back.

You only need 1 lute.

Unless something has changed, there's no reason a bard who already has his or her epic couldn't go through the epic quest again to get another lute and then farm UDB trak forever with that one lute.

1 lute prolly costs ~100k.

1 trak expected value ~40k + whatever you sell the loot rights to the guts for. Lets say 50k.

So you only made 90k on your first trak. But you still have your lute. So you can do UDB again next week. Another ~90k. Spend 100k, get 180k. ROI looks pretty okay. Lets see if it works again.

Get another UDB. Get another 90k. Now you have 270k and you've still only spent 100k.

Am I missing where the return starts to suck?

[maestrom]

That's tempting to do, to get banked guts so you can just MQ them to future bards and grind out all your Trak's you will need in a week or two.

But honestly I could see UDB sitting up for a few hours at a time after the first month or two of bards who have scales already contesting it

This is my hope.

But RF is still a mess.

[Daldaen]

You need 2-3 groups to come to Sebilis every day to kill it... Not the Donals cleric and monk that would duo Ragefire. 40k is vastly overestimating the value of Trak drops. Manna Robe, maybe Donal's... And that's it. The rest of the BPs are running like 15-25k. It's only going to get worse as more get Vindi BPs / Velious BPs too. Those BPs are okay twink BPs (but fungi better) but that's about it. Most of the clickies are meh.

You have to buy the scales yourself if you're buying Trak guts MQ from above individuals. In which case you can likely just camp the Trakanon yourself.

I expect due to the location (requiring CotH or a crawl) + harder dragon requiring more people you won't see this too perma farmed.

As I said, I can see us parking out toons for a week and going after 4-5 UDBs and getting every bard main set on that part of the epic then work on dragon scales.

[maestrom]

You need 2-3 groups to come to Sebilis every day to kill it... Not the Donals cleric and monk that would duo Ragefire. 40k is vastly overestimating the value of Trak drops. Manna Robe, maybe Donal's... And that's it. The rest of the BPs are running like 15-25k

You have to buy the scales yourself if you're buying Trak guts MQ from above individuals. In which case you can likely just camp the Trakanon yourself.

Ahh. I thought the other BPs were still moving for real money.

Like I said, I HOPE that these things don't just get farmed, but literally everything else on this server is hehe.

[falkun]

The BPs are way down in value and dropping quickly, most do not hold value with Velious out. As far as I can tell, its also a full-fledged Trakanon. You aren't duoing the dragon kill for the BP. Banking some guts, maybe, but again, that's what an agreement would sort out, at least until the initial backlog is dealt with then he can go FFA like Ragefire did.

[Daldaen]

The BPs are way down in value and dropping quickly, most do not hold value with Velious out. As far as I can tell, its also a full-fledged Trakanon. You aren't duoing the dragon kill for the BP. Banking some guts, maybe, but again, that's what an agreement would sort out, at least until the initial backlog is dealt with then he can go FFA like Ragefire did.

Not exactly.

Bard version Trakanon should not have his poison AE.

He should lifetap and banish however.

[Alunova]

Not exactly.

Bard version Trakanon should not have his poison AE.

He should lifetap and banish however.

I thought this at first, but found evidence that he still used his AoE.

[Juevento]

Heh, Trak right now barely fires his AoE since is too busy casting spells.

[arsenalpow]

When you hand the lute to UDB, he gives it right back.

You only need 1 lute.

Unless something has changed, there's no reason a bard who already has his or her epic couldn't go through the epic quest again to get another lute and then farm UDB trak forever with that one lute.

1 lute prolly costs ~100k.

1 trak expected value ~40k + whatever you sell the loot rights to the guts for. Lets say 50k.

So you only made 90k on your first trak. But you still have your lute. So you can do UDB again next week. Another ~90k. Spend 100k, get 180k. ROI looks pretty okay. Lets see if it works again.

Get another UDB. Get another 90k. Now you have 270k and you've still only spent 100k.

Am I missing where the return starts to suck?

He hands it back??

[Alunova]

Heh, Trak right now barely fires his AoE since is too busy casting spells.

Lowered his mana regen, that should help, pending update.

So much good stuff in this thread.

[maestrom]

He hands it back??

Can't tell if you're joking.

Yes. He hands the exact same item you hand to him right back to you. You hand him the lute in order to trigger trakanon, but you still need to lute to complete the epic.

I assume the only reason it requires the lute is to make sure only a bard looking for the trak guts could spawn trakanon.

[arsenalpow]

Can't tell if you're joking.

Yes. He hands the exact same item you hand to him right back to you. You hand him the lute in order to trigger trakanon, but you still need to lute to complete the epic.

I assume the only reason it requires the lute is to make sure only a bard looking for the trak guts could spawn trakanon.

yikes. this is bad news lol

[maestrom]

Lowered his mana regen, that should help, pending update.

So much good stuff in this thread.

You're mean :(

[maestrom]

yikes. this is bad news lol

It still might not be as great as I feared. If the Trak is 100% trak, rather than a weakened version like VSR and triggered Fay, then it's going to take a lot of people to take him out. If Trak BPs aren't doing so great as far as PP goes anymore, this might not be as lucrative as I thought.

[khanable]

Spell existed in the original Velious spell file.

Fixed, pending update. We also know that her knockback is weaker than it should be and we are looking into that.

Shouldn't she not be perma rooted until late velious/early luclin as well? :D

and a normal size, not this giant big thing? :D

[Daldaen]

Shouldn't she not be perma rooted until late velious/early luclin as well? :D

Shouldn't be dropping your belt either :P.

Gotta pick and choose! No Tunare loot, only class BPs + not perma rooted... OR... Perma rooted and Tunare loot.

Anywho I look forward to seeing a First Kill on Tunare once she has her proper abilities.

[Alunova]

Shouldn't she not be perma rooted until late velious/early luclin as well? :D

and a normal size, not this giant big thing? :D

Feel free to research the specific details needed to implement that, supposedly she was very different so we went with a form that we could actually implement and release.

[khanable]

Rather lose the belt and have it be the way it should be!

Though didn't FoH get the sword from her? She did have some items. I feel like this has been debated to death somewhere else on the forum. Too lazy to find it. I assume it went no where. :p

[Daldaen]

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/images/velious/tunare01.jpg

Note she isn't on her spawn spot, also note her size being vastly smaller than her later size.

However, that's just the Afterlife October 2001 version. Would need others to dig more.

[khanable]

oh fine, I used the search function

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181066

has some good research (by ele, no surprise)

[captnamazing]

I'd be really pleased to see a guild agreement that no raiding guild would support its members abusing UDB for profit. At least until something like a year passes and we can get all the poor elf bards their music swords. But I am just a filthy casual

[Daldaen]

But Tunare... Meh.

Let's have some Dragon Roar ID swapping so the Velious Dragons use the correct ones (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2035334&postcount=44) and you don't have to use gimmicks to keep them stationary while your 255 MR warriors eat 20s fears.

[skipdog]

Grats Rampage on server 1st AoW kill !

[Artaenc]

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/images/velious/tunare01.jpg

Note she isn't on her spawn spot, also note her size being vastly smaller than her later size.

However, that's just the Afterlife October 2001 version. Would need others to dig more.

I have a picture of my druid from live in 2001 right next to Tunare that shows she's much bigger than that inside her tree. The size on this picture resembles the size of Vindi a couple of weeks ago. I guess the size mismatch was a classic experience after all during patches iterations?

Nov 15 1999 GM event pic in Gfay. This SC is not mine but this is how big I remember Tunare.

http://www.bloodwolf.org/~rulnak/Pictures/Alruna/Faydwer/Tunare.jpg

[Erati]

and you don't have to use gimmicks to keep them stationary while your 255 MR warriors eat 20s fears.

http://i.imgur.com/zWpE5FW.jpg

[Plackers]

Feel free to research the specific details needed to implement that, supposedly she was very different so we went with a form that we could actually implement and release.

Vyemm was different as well but you custom tuned that so why would you change this?

[Alunova]

Vyemm was different as well but you custom tuned that so why would you change this?

I was looking into it aaaaand now I'm not.

[Plackers]

I was looking into it aaaaand now I'm not.

The encounters the way they are now are perfect in my opinion. Maybe not classic but fairly tuned.

[Daldaen]

The encounters the way they are now are perfect in my opinion. Maybe not classic but fairly tuned.

You really think Sontalak is fairly tuned lol...?

[Alunova]

There were a lot of very buggy versions of Tunare with very limited information if I remember correctly, some of which dropped loot which we had no intention of implementing here, which is why we started with the current version. We could look into adding the smaller non-rooted version for if/when/in case of a new server, but it would not be the one with 18 hps that dropped loot.

[Erati]

You really think Sontalak is fairly tuned lol...?

Wonder which guild he belongs to- Empire or Rampage lol

anyone spare some change?

[khanable]

I have a picture of my druid from live in 2001 right next to Tunare that shows she's much bigger than that inside her tree. The size on this picture resembles the size of Vindi a couple of weeks ago. I guess the size mismatch was a classic experience after all during patches iterations?

Nov 15 1999 GM event pic in Gfay. This SC is not mine but this is how big I remember Tunare.

http://www.bloodwolf.org/~rulnak/Pictures/Alruna/Faydwer/Tunare.jpg

she's at least 3x that size here

There were a lot of very buggy versions of Tunare with very limited information if I remember correctly, some of which dropped loot which we had no intention of implementing here, which is why we started with the current version. We could look into adding the smaller non-rooted version for if/when/in case of a new server, but it would not be the one with 18 hps that dropped loot.

don't think anyone wants the sissy loot pinata version

[Plackers]

You really think Sontalak is fairly tuned lol...?

No lol.

[SCB]

This is a video game. None of this matters. This is dumb.

As usual, Zander nails it.

[jcr4990]

How many AoW loots does BDA have?
As many as Empire

http://replygif.net/i/154.gif

Throwing stones glass houses.etc

[Corro]

Why Fortakengard. I like "Taken the Forsaken Ass Guardian"

[fandAONgo]

AssForTaken

nothin beats thats

[jcr4990]

AssForTaken

nothin beats thats

This

[Beebo]

Grats TakenForAss on the first REAL LEGITIMATE NO BS NON DB GUILD AoW kill! Rampage still sucks and their majority of players probably on unemployment benes.

[Bman703]

5 guilds did not kill aow on the last spawn, rampage got him to 50% and decided to camp after we lost a few tanks, the other guilds were in another corner waiting to pick it up, they speedbumped it 10% with 120 people or so, and rampage took back over from there with the kill from 45%-0

Rofl you guys wiped lost alot of people seen it with my own eyes

[Nextwave]

Grats!

here is a screenshot of the kill :

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4146/4945719930_0ea6408ccc_o.jpg

Lol

[Nextwave]

Which guild gets to put this in their guild recruitment thread and say it was "their" kill and the other two guilds just "helped"?

I bet they both will.