This is a terrible idea....or is it?

[Naerron]

So....i was talking with some people the other night who played on the Firona Vie server and it got me thinking how it was cool to have the different server types (PvP, FV, RP, ect). Checking out these servers foreign to my eq reality was def another cool aspect of EQ for me and i am sure many others. So with this in mind i let my thoughts wonder around and what i came up with was this...

Since our population really isn't big enough nor does it make economic sense to open up a second server, we could maybe rotate weekly, monthly, or some other measurement of time, rotate the type of server it is. For example one week make it pvp, next week no drop goes away like on FV, or the next week RP is encouraged more, maybe even have a GM event during RP week/time period because people already in the mood for some lore. It's probably a good idea and i thought it was at least novel enough to toss around the forums and see what some responses to this were.

So, let me hear what you think, flames or whatever. Maybe some details, like during FV week only items dropped during that week are dropable, not previously looted no drops. Because i could see where people might start hoarding no drops, or /rolling on items they normally would not. Or maybe during the middle of a fight over CT or something like that which requires clering and multiple guilds in the same zone randomly switch it to pvp to make things more interesting. Those were just some examples but have fun with the thread.

EDIT : Just had another great idea. During RP week we could gain extra exp everytime we talked like we were our race. Like if i was an ogre and i said, "I keeled da bat, it r was funz" i could get some exp. Or if i was a high elf i could talk like i went to Yardale and had a 4.0 grade point average.

[Kich]

That wouldn't be classic. Therefore it would not happen.

[Naerron]

these types of servers were around in classic, and one could ague not having them around makes it not classic!!

[Lyrik]

That would be far too.. exploitable and require extra item DB entries and an incredible amount of work.

I'd rather have Kunark (after I hit 50 :))

[Salty]

We just need a pvp server to spawn out of p99's work.

[Shiftin]

It is hilarious to me the ego of people who think they have come up with an idea so brilliant that the thousands of people who play on this server, which strives specifically to be as strictly classic as possible, would embrace a massive change to something completely different for no reason whatsoever.

You realize there are other EMU servers with completely different rulesets you can try, right?

[Dr4z3r]

next week no drop goes away like on FV

Yep, terrible idea. Stop and seriously think about the implications of turning NODROP on and off periodically, please.

[Tiggles]

Who was that guy who kept asking when Velious was coming out and ended everything with ....or is it?


These new age trolls never have staying power

[hedbonker]

I'd rather have Kunark (after I hit 50 )

Why 50? Good content in Kunark from 1-60...

[Lyrik]

Because density of players at the moment allows for more groups. Player density will be high in the 45-50 range upon Kunark's release and thus more groups will be available.

[Ravhin]

<b><Red Rum>

November, 2010.</b>

[Naerron]

I really like where Ravhin is going with this, any other thoughts?

[Rhambuk]

We just need a pvp server to spawn out of p99's work.

To many people waiting for a new pvp specific server to start...

< Red Rum >

November, 2010.


More people need to do this.

[Kich]

these types of servers were around in classic, and one could ague not having them around makes it not classic!!

No, they weren't nor could one argue that not having this server rotate it's type between PVP, team PVP, RP, FV (which didn't exist during classic anyways), etc. is unclassic-like. There was not a specific server that rotated it's type. Seriously, think to yourself: "Did this exist in classic PVE EQ server?" if the answer is no, then it won't be done here. There's a pretty big list of custom servers, or you could even make your own if you put enough time into it, but what you're looking for with that idea isn't what this server is.

[korpse]

I'm seriously interested in how many people will go red to fight PvP. I for one am doing so. Someone make a thread with a poll or something.

Also, can you go back to blue after going red? Hope not.

[ShivanAngel]

yeah you can go back. priest of order in qeynos

[Glaani]

I appreciate the OP's enthusiasm and imagination, but that sounds like WAY MORE work for an already overworked, unpaid staff of developers, programmers, guides and GMs. I worry about them burning out from all the work they do now and the crap they put up with from some players.

Personally, I don't want anything standing in the way of the release of Kunark. So...no.

[Kassel]

Yup, Terrible

[PabloEdvardo]

This post hits on one of my greatest concerns - and that is whether or not gameplay progression changes are being kept in a 'switchable' state.

What I mean by this is that, for example, the opening of the Temple of Sol Ro and the associated game environment changes that occurred with that should be easily reversible/changeable rather than being hard coded in (or old code being replaced by new code).

In addition, I am hoping that eventually the developers will release the database and server design to the public to allow others to start their own progression server (since for example I myself am already disappointed that kunark is coming out so soon!).


I would assume that since EQEmu (the project that makes p1999 possible) is founded upon the concepts of open source, and since so much development time has had to have been spent since SOE never opened the game up to us, that the developers will in turn be fair and open their project publicly.
This would allow those that wish to have a pre-kunark experience still have the option to.

It would also allow the possibility of minor altered classic states. For example, an idea I have is to create phased worlds where when a character reaches 50 and completes all of the progression challenges, they have the option of flagging their ACCOUNT to progress, rather than the server - this would keep all old world content and economy intact for pre-kunark players, and only affect the economy/server of post-original players that choose to 'opt-in' once meeting the progression requirements.

The hardware & coding adjustments necessary to maintain this sort of system would potentially be larger than p99 for an equivalent user base, but I think it would solve many of the issues that current progression servers face (such as big guilds rushing through and unlocking everything right away, ruining the progression for the rest of us).

For something like this to be possible, however, the developers need to be making switchable changes to the code that deals with progression and balance, and not permanent replacements. If someone wanted to take the server back to day1 timeline and 'start over', they should be able to with an ini setting or a switch & recompile.

Obviously though, issues that have been addressed due to them being rebalanced from eqemu's state to the 'classic' state should be permanent (such as removing luclin spells/drops, etc.)

Just my 2cp :P

[Zalmo]

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[Naerron]

PVP, team PVP, RP, FV (which didn't exist during classic anyways), etc. is unclassic-like. There was not a specific server that rotated it's type. Seriously, think to yourself: "Did this exist in classic EQ?" if the answer is no, then it won't be done here. There's a pretty big list of custom servers, or you could even make your own if you put enough time into it, but what you're looking for with that idea isn't what this server is.

Ok Kich, i sat down, and cerally thought about it. I gave my beard about 73.4r strokes, then my dog had to pee, so i let him out. But, when i came back i did some research, and low and behold, these servers did exist on classic. I took my initial raw data from the research back to the lab to run some tests.

So, what i first did was affirm by affirming. To do this i employed this equation:

( P ^ ( P --> Q )) --> Q

Bascially,
If P than Q
P
Therefore Q

Following what you said:
If elements of the game were present in classic EQ then they are on P99
These elements were present in classic EQ
Therefore they (should) be present on P99

I will take this a step further because i can tell that you won't be fooled by Aristotle and his logic. An argument is valid if and only if the truth of its premises entails the truth of its conclusion. It would be self-contradictory to affirm the premises and deny the conclusion. The corresponding conditional of a valid argument is a logical truth and the negation of its corresponding conditional is a contradiction. The conclusion is a logical consequence of its premises.

This makes it obvious that my argument could still be valid without any reality to the premises. So let's take a careful look at the premises..

Premises:
1) Does P99 try to emulate all aspects of classic? - yes
2) Did PvP and RP server(s) exist in classic? - yes
3) Did Kich's mom(s) take him to the prom? - yes
4) Does that phasing idea suck? - yes
5) Was there ever a specific team pvp server? - no

So, Kich. I thought cerally, and i think my argument is sound. Also, to whoever it was; when you have an idea this great often times you come off sounding like you have an ego, i am sure Jesus did too. It's like when you see someone stacked in rare raid items, you assume they are jerks with a giant e-schlong but, like an onion, you need to peel away the layers of pixilated armor and take that person for who they are, and in this case it's someone with a great idea.

[Naerron]

http://chattydm.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/evil-overlord.jpg


Quod erat demonstrandum Mr. Powers

[Kich]

Ok Kich, i sat down, and cerally thought about it. I gave my beard about 73.4r strokes, then my dog had to pee, so i let him out. But, when i came back i did some research, and low and behold, these servers did exist on classic. I took my initial raw data from the research back to the lab to run some tests.

So, what i first did was affirm by affirming. To do this i employed this equation:

( P ^ ( P --> Q )) --> Q

Bascially,
If P than Q
P
Therefore Q

Following what you said:
If elements of the game were present in classic EQ then they are on P99
These elements were present in classic EQ
Therefore they (should) be present on P99

I will take this a step further because i can tell that you won't be fooled by Aristotle and his logic. An argument is valid if and only if the truth of its premises entails the truth of its conclusion. It would be self-contradictory to affirm the premises and deny the conclusion. The corresponding conditional of a valid argument is a logical truth and the negation of its corresponding conditional is a contradiction. The conclusion is a logical consequence of its premises.

This makes it obvious that my argument could still be valid without any reality to the premises. So let's take a careful look at the premises..

Premises:
1) Does P99 try to emulate all aspects of classic? - yes
2) Did PvP and RP server(s) exist in classic? - yes
3) Did Kich's mom(s) take him to the prom? - yes
4) Does that phasing idea suck? - yes
5) Was there ever a specific team pvp server? - no

So, Kich. I thought cerally, and i think my argument is sound. Also, to whoever it was; when you have an idea this great often times you come off sounding like you have an ego, i am sure Jesus did too. It's like when you see someone stacked in rare raid items, you assume they are jerks with a giant e-schlong but, like an onion, you need to peel away the layers of pixilated armor and take that person for who they are, and in this case it's someone with a great idea.

umadbro?

Anyways, there wasn't any argument. You asked if you had a terrible idea, sorry you got butthurt. Vallon Zek was a pretty specific team pvp server. And for the record, I went to the prom with a girl that was a little taller than I was, she wore high heels which really exaggerated the difference to an embarassing degree, overall she wasn't bad--she had pretty sweet tits but was way too christian to use them, clearly I made a bad call (as I found out the next week I had options that actually would put out). So did I have a shitty night? Definitely.

Your idea is really bad. I can't really tell if you're trolling or just nerd raging though. I'm leaning towards nerd raging from the emphasis on a word I only said once. I gave you a pretty solid answer too--go make your own server. This isn't what you're looking for. Maybe you can find e-schlongs or whatever at your next destination.

[President]

Yo, drop it.

[Naerron]

6) Am i bored out of my mind at this 4 hour long seminar on Aristotelian logic - yes
7) Did i fail terribly at trolling - yes...or did i? - yes

[Rhambuk]

6) Am i bored out of my mind at this 4 hour long seminar on Aristotelian logic - yes Your life sucks bro? I'm sorry?
7) Did i fail terribly at trolling - yes...or did i? - yes

There have seriously been more posts about the devs making a seperate server just for pvp for over a year now...

It's not going, there isnt enough interest, there aren't enough devs/guides to watch over 2 servers. Go red flag ffs.

8) Are you going to keep pressing the issue - yes most likely