Hitting a sitting player should do full damage

[Colgate]

it currently does not do full damage when you hit a sitting person

it should always do full damage when you hit a sitting person

it used to do this like two years ago, but then somehow it got broken along the way

please fix

thanks

i love you

[Buhbuh]

i think it was doing over the actual max damage to sitting players two years ago - like a 15 damage piercer would double duelist for 1150 or something, which is way over the actual cap.

I think I've seen like 1030's top end with a 15 dmg piercer. But yeah, you can miss and land hits for 15 on people sitting when you're wielding a 2hder. on live people paid dearly for sitting or being caught unawares by a rogue

[Colgate]

i think it was doing theoretical max before assuming max atk

[Ragnaros]

can confirm since velious that I have duelisted someone for over 1100 non sitting, so its definetly over 1030

[Colgate]

yeah, i think in classic/kunark, it assumed you had max atk and did a theoretical max hit, which wasn't usually possible back then, but it's an easily achieved value when people have buffs like VoG, call of the predator, avatar, and aura of battle items

the fix was supposed to make it do max damage by your actual stat calculation, but i guess it ended up being broken to where there's basically no difference between sitting and standing for calculating melee damage

and for what it's worth, i think 1106? was the highest damage a duelist backstab could do per hit

[Ragnaros]

1106 sounds about right, on another note its pretty annoying duelist backstabbing someone that was sitting for double 388s
please fix

[worch]

I'm not able to find the source atm, but I do recall a GM or guide mentioning that sitting players don't take max damage.

Maybe this was one of the few classic things that were intentionally adjusted for balance?

[ducktv]

yeah, this is actually a colgate bug post i can get behind. this is classic as much as i can remember and should remain classic, full damage hits while sitting have always been a thing and you should never miss while sitting either? i've missed backstabs and kicks on my monk while someone is sitting, makes no fucking sense.

[yikes]

Yes please.

Ranger trueshot hitting someone sitting for 13 feels wrong

[Ragnaros]

Seems like this got fixed

[Colgate]

naw

hit a sitting naked caster today with a tstaff while innerflamed for double 133.. which is the minimum hit

max hit should have been like double 347

[ducktv]

Just tested sit damage for a minute. it's hitting for max on naked characters with no AC.
AC is playing way too big of a factor, the mitigation seems way too high when sitting.

Logs from testing with Xepiz, he's a naked human warrior sitting.

[Sat Oct 31 00:38:02 2015] You backstab Xepiz for 540 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:38:02 2015] You backstab Xepiz for 540 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:38:09 2015] Xepiz says, '540 double nice'
[Sat Oct 31 00:38:11 2015] You backstab Xepiz for 540 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:38:11 2015] You backstab Xepiz for 540 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:38:11 2015] Xepiz goes into a berserker frenzy!
[Sat Oct 31 00:38:33 2015] Xepiz says, 'go for it'
[Sat Oct 31 00:38:35 2015] You backstab Xepiz for 540 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:38:35 2015] You have slain Xepiz!
[Sat Oct 31 00:38:35 2015] [PvP] Xepiz <TMO> has been defeated by Reebz <Friends> in Skyshrine!

all hits were from when he was sitting down, and it did max 540 backstab damage, this is on a rogue with 255 dex, 255 str. we tried frontal slashing and piercing next.

[Sat Oct 31 00:39:15 2015] Xepiz says, 'try frontal'
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:16 2015] You say, 'i think so?'
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:17 2015] You think you are heading North.
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:20 2015] Auto attack is on.
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:21 2015] You pierce Xepiz for 96 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:21 2015] You slash Xepiz for 108 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:21 2015] You slash Xepiz for 108 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:21 2015] Auto attack is off.
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:31 2015] Auto attack is on.
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:31 2015] You pierce Xepiz for 96 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:31 2015] You slash Xepiz for 108 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:39:31 2015] You slash Xepiz for 108 points of damage.

Max damage piercing and max damage slashing. Ragebringer 15/25 and Katana of Flowing Water 19/33

I also backstab Shnarf, plate wearing halfling cleric (Not sure how much AC he has) while he is sitting.

[Sat Oct 31 00:45:07 2015] You backstab Shnarf for 248 points of damage.

single, not max damage, AC seems to be an INSANE factor.

[Sat Oct 31 00:45:32 2015] Xepiz says, 'let me try just a little AC'
[Sat Oct 31 00:45:38 2015] Xepiz says, 'backstab'
[Sat Oct 31 00:45:42 2015] You backstab Xepiz for 528 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:45:42 2015] You backstab Xepiz for 528 points of damage.
[Sat Oct 31 00:45:47 2015] Xepiz says, 'thats with 10 ac item'

So AC is the difference I'm assuming, but the mitigation is insane in PvP.

[Colgate]

AC mitigation should actually be higher than it is now

but a sitting player should get hit for max every single time, regardless of AC/gear

[Redi]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124070

Patch Notes: Tuesday, October 8th, 2013
This patch contains new required files. Download and extract the Project 1999 Files (V30) to your EQ Titanium Directory.

Alecta: Attacks on sitting defenders will now hit for your normal maximum hit instead of the theoretical maximum for your damage table.


However, I can't find the thread where it was discussed

[silo32]

this was a fix awhile ago to tone down melles vs casters

non classic but adjusted according

/thread closed

[ducktv]

a sitting player should get hit for max every single time, regardless of AC/gear

bump

[Nirgon]

Should be full max on sitting target. It used to work now it doesn't. This can be greatly abused using a druid to PL and just sit over and over (taking minimum hits instead of max) with self thorns + other dses stacked. Ain't classic.

[Telin]

Pretty sure Haynar has a fix on the way. He referred to pvp in the other max hit bug thread.

[AzzarTheGod]

Pretty sure Haynar has a fix on the way. He referred to pvp in the other max hit bug thread.

AC is being incorrectly applied to sitting targets in regards to the backstab skill is what we have data on in this thread, posted by ducktv. (Max-hit problem on sitting players aside, which we already know needed a fix per Telin et al)

Its like AC goes on steroids. Interesting. Some type of AC/mitigation multiplier looks to be at work for sitting backstab targets. I assume this is a change Alecta pushed through, which is now obsolete and not classic in Velious.

I would be conerned about a max-hit fix not addressing this additional problem AC/mitigation calculation. Will need further examination I reckon.

[silo32]

I assume this is a change Alecta pushed through, which is now obsolete and not classic in Velious.

Will need further examination I reckon.

this guy has no clue wtf he is talking about

this was a change alecta made because its not classic and it was reverted why did devs here just remove alecta's pvp code because a bunch of red99 melles are crying about this

[Colgate]

alecta fixed sitting damage doing max theoretical damage (atk cap) which was a bug

he didn't remove doing a max hit on sitting, that was a bug that started well over a year after he disappeared

[Aesop]

this guy has no clue wtf he is talking about

this was a change alecta made because its not classic and it was reverted why did devs here just remove alecta's pvp code because a bunch of red99 melles are crying about this

hey tone down the partisan behavior pal, this isn't RNF

[silo32]

alecta fixed sitting damage doing max theoretical damage (atk cap) which was a bug

he didn't remove doing a max hit on sitting, that was a bug that started well over a year after he disappeared

not true this was a fix he made

hope he comes back from his rl and looks into this

[silo32]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124070

Patch Notes: Tuesday, October 8th, 2013
This patch contains new required files. Download and extract the Project 1999 Files (V30) to your EQ Titanium Directory.

Alecta: Attacks on sitting defenders will now hit for your normal maximum hit instead of the theoretical maximum for your damage table.


However, I can't find the thread where it was discussed

this is what I was looking for, it was an intended change and because alecta went to play in rl people complained like colgate and some dev here must have reverted this change back

[Colgate]

not sure what part of "normal maximum hit" you don't understand

[fash]

I think this should also apply to sitting npcs (e.g. pets), at least according to an enchanter guide I was saw recently.