dumb question/ ogre vs troll shaman graphics?

[dredge]

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[quellren]

They both look stupid in my opinion.
Trolls are fat with skinny arms and too-big hamfist hands. They have the stupidest run animation of any race. They also have nasty ass-scratch animations.
Ogres chainmail looks more like a 1980's mesh tank-top than anything. The legs look like shorts and the boots like sandals. get some leather class legs and you look like a hillbilly at the beach. if it's a Bloodstained tunic, your whole chest area gets dyed red and you look sunburnt as well. it's embarrassing.

The 'Huge Tiki looking helm' is the plate graphic for the infamous Luclin update, which we will never see on P99.

This site is very slow loading, but will show you classic graphics for pretty much everything. Fashion-show until your heart's content.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010801145900/http://EVERQUEST.allakhazam.com/equipment/fashion/Fashion_Table.html

I rolled a troll for the regen and because I hate Oggok. it's really not gamebreaking either way.

[Snooks]

Both races are very stylish. While Ogres have a more happy-I-like-to-eat-donuts look, the trolls have a grand nose and an exquisite stride. I like to think that my troll looks almost exactly like Sean Connery on meth.

They both are very handsome races who are well known to sport the finest in armours and looking very awesome doing so.

[Badmartigan]

Troll over ogre any day of the week for a shaman.

[Rhambuk]

End game classic your mostly in plate, troll plate is garbage just a bunch of metal scraps held together with string.

Kunark I guess youll lose a few of those plate slots, fungi in chest etc. ogre still wins =p

Velious graphics change things up a bit, and both look god awful velious texture chain, trolls get the weird helm with spikes holding it together and ogres get the aztec juggernaut helmet

I prefer ogres just because i hate trolls in plate and they run really really awkwardly..

[Dentalplan]

The 'Huge Tiki looking helm' is the plate graphic for the infamous Luclin update, which we will never see on P99.
Actually that was the special Ogre helm graphic for some of the class quest armor during Velious. Later they made it the generic Ogre plate helm for the new models from Luclin. So stick around long enough and you will see it on P99.

[Spud]

Ogres are one of my favorite classic models i think. they are hilarious.

[dredge]

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[girth]

thanks guys,
I'm thinking Trolls look slightly better compaired to Ogres, especially in the leather and chain stages.

but I always loved the way Trolls looked in orig EQ, then after the graphic update they looked the absolute worst. I could never play one knowing that everyone else saw me as that new graphic. Same with Ogres only not quite so bad before vs after.
:)
Right now I have a lv 3 in both races, trying to see if the Ogre actually gets interupted alot less with lesser kobolds in my face.

Bash/kicks won't interrupt you, but push from them can.

[Cyrano]

Why not Barbarian?

[Cyrano]

Although http://web.archive.org/web/20010806203258/everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/fashion/Emerald_Dragonscale_Tunic_Troll_Male.html looks pretty goddang nice.

[dredge]

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[Bushwick]

Since appearance is the topic here, I'll ask if anybody knows a site where you can view the old Velious custom helm graphics. I remember the Iksar one, which I coveted endlessly, but few of the others.

[Rhambuk]

Why not Barbarian?

Since appearance is the topic here

That answers that question.

Ogre stun immunity is "nice" but you really have to be back into a corner or perfectly against a flat wall as mob push WILL interrupt you. Being immune to kick's / bash though is very nice.

+3 regen is meh, at 50 with rage and chloro im at 38 or 40 sitting which makes canni a non issue really.

here are a list of all races in their velious texture armors. Ogres and Trolls both look pretty bad =p
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6075&highlight=Velious+textures

[dredge]

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[Rhambuk]

The ogre frontal stun only works on bash type stun, so if a mob is beating on you and lands a bash while your cast that bash wont interrupt you.

Mob push and mob spells with stun will still interrupt, so if your not against a wall and a mob hits you you may still get interrupted as that hit pushed you and any push will interrupt.

I play in 3rd person also and havent really had much of an issue, i zoom out pretty far though and really dont mouseclick to target.

When you get to a higher level it wont matter so much as you can spell shrink inside and use shrink potions outside to bring yourself down to size.

If your looking for the race with the "best" advantages its going to be ogre later on because of stun immunity, troll regen and the clicky snare neck aren't worth much of anything.

if your talking about appearance then i believe youve already made your choice...

*edit*
Just as a note, the ogre frontal stun immunity has saved my ass on many occasions and makes soloing at higher levels way way easier.

[Chanus]

Trolls get the snare clicky, right?

[Rhambuk]

They can quest for a necklace with clinging darkness, anyone who has played a necro to lvl 4 can tell you its useless. Even with sow you would have to run forever to gain enough ground to cast on a mob.

[Chanus]

You could pull with it, couldn't you?

Not the most super awesome item, but I'd hardly call it useless.

Not to mention you could always Root before casting it.

[Rhambuk]

You could pull with it, its just the snare effect is almost non existent. I would recommend lvl a necro to 4 and testing it before making a troll just for that necklace.

[Yak]

They both look stupid in my opinion.
Trolls are fat with skinny arms and too-big hamfist hands. They have the stupidest run animation of any race. They also have nasty ass-scratch animations.
Ogres chainmail looks more like a 1980's mesh tank-top than anything. The legs look like shorts and the boots like sandals. get some leather class legs and you look like a hillbilly at the beach. if it's a Bloodstained tunic, your whole chest area gets dyed red and you look sunburnt as well. it's embarrassing.

The 'Huge Tiki looking helm' is the plate graphic for the infamous Luclin update, which we will never see on P99.

This site is very slow loading, but will show you classic graphics for pretty much everything. Fashion-show until your heart's content.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010801145900/http://EVERQUEST.allakhazam.com/equipment/fashion/Fashion_Table.html

I rolled a troll for the regen and because I hate Oggok. it's really not gamebreaking either way.

I laughed so hard when I read this. That pretty much sums it up.

[Tork]

Grobb, Grobb uber alles!

[girth]

I thought troll regen scaled as you leveled, it's not 3 all the way up is it? That would be pathetic.

[dredge]

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[girth]

I'd just make a farm character, get some pp/gear and make an iksar when they become available.

But that's me.

[Rhambuk]

I thought troll regen scaled as you leveled, it's not 3 all the way up is it? That would be pathetic.

Just like iksar, starts and 3 and stays at 3. Innate rubicite breastplate wooo

[quellren]

I keep forgetting to add: Once you get to 34 and get Fury, trolls extra regen is basically a non-issue.
Fury's regen component + plain regeneration spell= mana for days. so ridiculous.

If you can stomach spending most of your life looking like 'Trailerpark Billy' then Ogre is the clear choice.

[teganyavo]

just never interested me, just my opinion, and don't like their helms


excuse me

i agree the barbarian plate helm is pretty whatever, but if you don't like polar bear hat you need to reevaluate imo

[Rahnza]

Since appearance is the topic here, I'll ask if anybody knows a site where you can view the old Velious custom helm graphics. I remember the Iksar one, which I coveted endlessly, but few of the others.

Long post incoming.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6629/iksar.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/231/barbarian.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6439/darkelfxd.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9173/dwarfx.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1051/erudite.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5003/gnomeb.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4931/halfelfv.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9752/halfing.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2705/highelf.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4378/humann.jpg

[Rahnza]

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2264/ogrey.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7671/trollhi.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9397/woodelf.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1207/monkb.jpg

[ChairmanMauzer]

Just like iksar, starts and 3 and stays at 3. Innate rubicite breastplate wooo

That's not true, Iksar regen scales 50+ just like trolls do.

[Bushwick]

incredible post

Thank you for this. Some of those are really fantastic. It's a pity they put so much work into the old models, only to flush it with Luclin.

Ogre and Troll Velious textures in particular are a huge improvement over the seemingly half-finished classic ones.

[quellren]

... Some of those are really fantastic. It's a pity they put so much work into the old models, only to flush it with Luclin.

Ogre and Troll Velious textures in particular are a huge improvement over the seemingly half-finished classic ones.

I agree. I had forgotten the velious textures and apparently was wrong about the Ogre Tiki helm.

They are leaps and bounds better then crap we have now.

[Rahnza]

Troll, Wood Elf, and Iksar are my favorites in that order. I don't even remember ever seeing that "Troll Cloth" texture, and it's totally badass. What armor was Velious cloth / Troll usable?

[Rhambuk]

That's not true, Iksar regen scales 50+ just like trolls do.

I stand corrected, Do you know what their regen is at 60?

[Rahnza]

I stand corrected, Do you know what their regen is at 60?

18 sitting, 14 FD, 12 standing