Question: Casinos [Archive]

Lagaidh

11-19-2010, 04:35 PM

Hey folks. I have a question.

This comes from my own personal viewpoint that is simply reactionary in nature. I have no real logic for the feeling but...

I've always hated EQ casinos. I always felt it was somehow cheap.

Am I a nut (for this reason, not another)?

I never seem to harbor ill will for the player running a casino... but the game rubs me the wrong way.

Anyone else? Or not?

Ploppy

11-19-2010, 04:44 PM

If people want to give away their money then so be it. They are given the odds up front. I just dislike all the spam. The casinos need to move away from everyone out of courtesy, but few actually do

Dr4z3r

11-19-2010, 04:46 PM

I never made any money by giving away plat, so it only ever takes one line advertising a casino to hit my ignore list.

citizen1080

11-19-2010, 04:53 PM

EQ is a sandbox. If running a casino is your thing then more power to you. If dry humping centaurs in the Karanas is what does it for ya then go for it.

Rhambuk

11-19-2010, 04:56 PM

Theres a post in the RnF about this now, of course its meaningless in RnF.

I always liked the idea, but the odds of the games are a little to skewed imo, anything over 800 wins your money back over 900 is double...for real?

But the execution of these casino's is just a headache,they set up in the middle of the biggest group of people they can find and just start spamming, then get all pissy when you ask them to move and they expect to you to move out of range.

I just throw all these people on ignore, I believe they should move to the empty buildings in the middle of the ec zone. You would actually have a building to base your operation in, but they seem to think they would lose more gamblers by moving as opposed to instantly being put on 10 peoples ignore list.

Lyrik

11-19-2010, 04:58 PM

Well, they were banned on live at some point...

Rhambuk

11-19-2010, 05:04 PM

Well, they were banned on live at some point...

Really? I never heard that...what was the reasoning? as annoying as it is I can't believe sony would ban it for rand spam

citizen1080

11-19-2010, 05:06 PM

Sony implemented their own casino's sometime after Luclin to reduce platinum circulating on the servers...did they ban player casino's to make room for their own? =p

Kavanah

11-19-2010, 05:08 PM

Sony implemented their own casino's sometime after Luclin to reduce platinum circulating on the servers...did they ban player casino's to make room for their own? =p

No since I ran the most successful one on live, including several events that GM's supported and attended.

Odeseus

11-19-2010, 05:14 PM

If you don't like it, don't participate. It is a casino and casinos make money (in RL and here) for the owner. You could walk away with the jackpot, but more than likely you will lose your money. But it is not the casino's problem if people want to throw their money away. As for spam, there is an ignore function and if you are getting annoyed with the /roll spam, make a separate window and throw the spam there.

I fail to see how this is even a minor problem.

Kraftwerk

11-19-2010, 05:17 PM

Wow who does 800+ odds. When I intermittently run a casino the odds fluctuate but have settled on the following:

Beat the Dealer - You Random 1-10, then I do. You beat me and win 2x, tie goes to dealer. Most people enjoy this one.

Random 1k - You do a Random 1000, 0-25 reroll, 625-975 win 2x, 975-1000 win 3x.

Pick a Number - You choose a single number 1-10. I random 1-10. If it's your number win 6x. Least played.

As far as setting up and location, Shady Swashbuckler is best since it is away from majority and don't bother anyone. Also it is well known spot so you can advertise it in /shout and people know where to go. I've had good and bad streaks. One night raked in 2kpp in 15 minutes, then lost 3kpp in 5 minutes. The thrill of being the bank!

PS - Richgirl always had like 8 different games to choose from and was the most reputable casino on this server.

Kavanah

11-19-2010, 05:27 PM

My Casino yields pretty low spam unless I have multiple people playing in which case I take it to tells. The only thing that shows up is the /rans and the once every 4-5 min /shout for advertise. I also offer secure free transfers for people and am hosting a raffle as well as intend on hosting other giveaways and such. Its just some extra fun to break from the monotony of grinding exp.

Also, EC tunnel is filled with people who are either 1) afk 2) providing their own spam of selling or buying stuff 3) or are just hanging around and don't mind seeing the random's even coming to watch sometimes.

Darklake

11-19-2010, 05:27 PM

Well, they were banned on live at some point...

Wasn't that so they could add their own Shadowhaven money sink to get plat out of the game? Besides, with Live being swamped with real cash, they had to be seen as doing something. Here, there's no real cash, it's just plain and simple in-game gambling.

Perhaps as a simple play nice policy :-

1) The dealers invite the players to a group, so all the "game" spam stays out of the general area.
2) Those that don't want to see the invite spam, stick the dealer on ignore.
3) Have a chat window for /random, and minimise it.
4) Have the dealers move to the back of the Shady Swashbuckler area, out of trader's earshot.

Take some steps to sort the problem yourself, before banging the petition button.

Rhambuk

11-19-2010, 06:01 PM

I don't think anyone is banging on a petition button...

I think its a little unreasonable to move into an area and expect all the people around you that don't like it to move away or create new windows to accommodate them. When they could just as easily as you put it move to shady or another unpopulated area.

Most casino's I see are at entrance, T1, T2, the most populated areas right now.

Some are shady, and you know bring those on

Lyrik

11-19-2010, 06:24 PM

Kavanah

11-19-2010, 06:31 PM

They were banned well before the existence of Shadowhaven to my knowledge, though all I can find now on the Internet are random discussions about how they're OK in EQ now and people occasionally saying "but weren't they banned once?"

I can testify that they were not banned. Only people who submitted the right evidence to people scamming them while running a casino got their accounts banned. But legit ones were never even questioned. Mine was even supported by GM's with global announcements and presence.

Lyrik

11-19-2010, 06:35 PM

When? There was a long period of acceptance followed by a "stop making casinos."

Regardless, I don't care whether they exist here or not.

Kavanah

11-19-2010, 06:41 PM

When? There was a long period of acceptance followed by a "stop making casinos."

Regardless, I don't care whether they exist here or not.

I ran a casino from 99-2003 consistently, took a few months break, then ran one off and on (like one night a week) until prog servers came out in 2005? Then ran one of prog server for a few months until I had to move and quit EQ all together until 2 years ago. Ran one on Alkabor then as well with my mac.

There was around 2003-2004 a lot of people with rumors of casinos getting banned and stern warnings that I should stop. I think it was a collection of SOE banning scammers and people who had an agenda against casinos spreading rumors =)

Lagaidh

11-19-2010, 08:01 PM

Folks articulated what I posted for but didn't realize it. It's the spam...

I used to insta-ignore too, but I figure- what if I'd like to meet that person away from their "job". I'd need to be able to hear them

And, folks, you all are quick to jump on someone for an opinion. I'm not disparaging anyone running a casino. I too am a big proponent of do what you like; especially if it's within the rules.

I just hate the spam too.

Thanks for the folks responding. Wondered if I was the only one that felt this way.

Lagaidh

11-19-2010, 08:04 PM

Wasn't that so they could add their own Shadowhaven money sink to get plat out of the game? Besides, with Live being swamped with real cash, they had to be seen as doing something. Here, there's no real cash, it's just plain and simple in-game gambling.

Perhaps as a simple play nice policy :-

1) The dealers invite the players to a group, so all the "game" spam stays out of the general area.
2) Those that don't want to see the invite spam, stick the dealer on ignore.
3) Have a chat window for /random, and minimise it.
4) Have the dealers move to the back of the Shady Swashbuckler area, out of trader's earshot.

Take some steps to sort the problem yourself, before banging the petition button.

See this is what I'm talking about. Who's petitioning? You make great sense up until point 4 where you assume what someone else is thinking.

/shrug

I like the separate, minimized window for randoms though. That's a good thought.

Darklake

11-20-2010, 05:41 AM

I didn't mean to suggest people were actually petitioning about this, I apologise. I was more going for the case of attempting to address the "problem" ourselves, before the flaming torches and pitchforks come out and the cry goes up for GM intervention :-)

Quineloe

11-20-2010, 07:23 AM

3) Have a chat window for /random, and minimise it.

Why should I have to go out of my way because someone else is spamming? Besides is there even a clear random filter for the chatbox or do you then move a bunch of different messages into that window?

I also don't understand the "ignore" argument. There are many situations where ignore might help, but this is the only instance in which it is the acceptable solution to many people. Other stuff that you could simply ignore would definitely result in bans.

Casinos are just preying on the stupid, like lottery is a tax on stupidity. They don't add anything else to the game and only take money from stupid people. I already see that happening often enough IRL.

Darklake

11-20-2010, 07:37 AM

Crone

11-20-2010, 09:37 AM

They don't add anything else to the game and only take money from stupid people. I already see that happening often enough IRL.

I'm glad you are applying what you think this game should be to every other single person that plays it. Because you know, we all don't have different views on what makes this game fun, right? Good job.

Kavanah

11-20-2010, 10:58 AM

Why should I have to go out of my way because someone else is spamming? Besides is there even a clear random filter for the chatbox or do you then move a bunch of different messages into that window?

I also don't understand the "ignore" argument. There are many situations where ignore might help, but this is the only instance in which it is the acceptable solution to many people. Other stuff that you could simply ignore would definitely result in bans.

Casinos are just preying on the stupid, like lottery is a tax on stupidity. They don't add anything else to the game and only take money from stupid people. I already see that happening often enough IRL.

What I think is even funnier is that I, as well as many of my players, can be in EC tunnel for 10 hours straight, just to have people like Quineloe come up, and after being there for 2 mins wants to tell us what can and can't be done in EC tunnel.

I'm not sorry that just because while running through EC Tunnel, hitting your "d00d SoW pleez" and "WTS banded 2pp per ac" macros that you think you are being inconvienenced by a few randoms and chat over the casino. Most people who stand there all day end up saying, "Hey you know what, I'm bored, lets roll some dice for fun."

Also I guess Tizzle was my prey when she walked away yesterday up 200pp from me. How about Len who walked away with 800pp up on me. Go tell them they are stupid, at least they can pay for their SoW d00d pleez spam.

/cheers

Rhambuk

11-20-2010, 11:33 AM

So in 10 hours 2 people won? I don't know how much business you had but that doesn't sound very enticing.

My problem is less with the actual gambling casino money trade and more about the spam, I have 3 chat windows and when im in ec they usually look like say/tell, guildchat, and auction window.

having to CONSTANTLY scroll up in a window to read missed chat because 2 or 3 people are just
/rand
/rand
/rand
/rand
/rand

gets annoying very quickly, I don't like putting people on ignore that I don't know you lose out on a lot that way but I'm not going to sit there and try and read the 1 or 2 messages hidden in a wall of random spam.

I don't see why the pro casino players are getting so defensive over a few /ignores. if you sit in a group of people and start spamming Expect it, its going to happen and if YOU don't like that then YOU can move.

Curmudgen

11-20-2010, 02:52 PM

All casino announcement names go on the ignore list right away. Keeps the spam down, and unheard on live I never ran into a situation where I needed to talk with them anyway. That's what ignore is mostly for as I use it.

Quineloe

11-20-2010, 03:30 PM

Yes, there is a filter for /random.

If it doesn't "add anything to the game", why does there seem to be a market for it? "The game" is more than just the client/server mechanics, it's the social interactions too.

It amuses me to think in a game centred around risk versus reward, that the concept of a casino is thought of as preying on the stupid.

There are no significant social interactions with a level 1 character

Also I guess Tizzle was my prey when she walked away yesterday up 200pp from me. How about Len who walked away with 800pp up on me. Go tell them they are stupid, at least they can pay for their SoW d00d pleez spam.
Yes, we've never seen that one before.
your tall tales of GM endorsement of your spam are even less believable.

Rhambuk

11-20-2010, 03:58 PM

There are no significant social interactions with a level 1 character

It's not the lvl 1 casino runners I have a problem ignoring, its the people that are playing the games, anyone from 1-50 could potentially be ignored for it.

possible loss of groups, or EC sale items, ports, buffs...anything

Sometimes I take these people off of ignore at the end of the day but honestly i just dont remember to

Kraftwerk

11-20-2010, 04:43 PM

Then there is always the problem that my ignore list is too full from the days of Global OOC...

Trapp

11-20-2010, 04:49 PM

Dont waste your sorry ass time in EC - nuff said.

Quineloe

11-20-2010, 05:32 PM

So I tried to have a chat with Kavanah for some fun, of course he shut down pretty fast when he figured out I'm wasn't gonna give my platz to him. The best part was when he said

"Someone made an alt to kill me" (because he was pvp flagged), followed by
"Bet they wouldn't do that to me in real life".

Someone please explain how you make an alt to kill someone in real life.

nilbog

11-20-2010, 05:32 PM

Someone please explain how you make an alt to kill someone in real life.

Robots

Quineloe

11-20-2010, 05:34 PM

I think that counts as a pet though, so you'd get cop agro transferred after they catch Gobekn.

Kavanah

11-20-2010, 05:35 PM

I think that counts as a pet though, so you'd get cop agro transferred after they catch Gobekn.

Is there an ignore feature on forums too? Because you'll quickly go on there. I can tell a troll very quickly. And you sir, are a troll... now go troll someone else please.

Quineloe

11-20-2010, 05:38 PM

you've insulted me twice for no reason, now deal with it.
I'm not taking orders from someone with such a lack of manners.

Btw, there is indeed an ignore feature for the forums, and if you didn't fit the "crap for brains" casino stereotype so damn well it would have taken you less time to find it that to write this post.

Kavanah

11-20-2010, 05:43 PM

Quineloe

11-20-2010, 05:45 PM

I couldn't possibly care less if you read my post. You wouldn't understand most of it anyways. Keep rolling that dice and take the money of the few people even more challenged than you are.

Nakara

11-20-2010, 06:30 PM

A troll is going to troll... welcome to ignore x2 =)

shut the fuck up

Lyrik

11-20-2010, 06:34 PM

rofl, 5pp says you're not actually on ignore.

Quineloe

11-20-2010, 07:11 PM

rofl, 5pp says you're not actually on ignore.

You willing to /random over it?

Lyrik

11-20-2010, 07:23 PM

Yeah, where do we meet? EC tunnel?

Stunnah

11-20-2010, 07:30 PM

Well there was one casino guy that offered a blackjack variation in the game. So I took him on it, and ended up winning like 3000pp off him. So as far as Casinos as scams, it really depends on the odds. And I would like to vouch that Richgirl's casinos give the best odds from what I have experienced.