The Warrens is empty.

[pharmakos]

and it shouldn't be! i'll be playing my rerolled, new and improved IKSAR Necromancer Pharmakos there on and off for the next while, stop in and see me. =p

this zone really is awesome, huge ZEM, cloth/rawhide/ringmail/bronze equivalent armor all drops here, lots of cash drops, and if your dream is to stay drunk forever this is the place to do it -- your bags are going to be overflowing with booze after clearing out enough of these kobolds. seriously, they must be alcoholics. and once you get your faction up you can bank right nextdoor in Paineel -- plus you'll have faction to be able to buy a Hole key when you grow up! no more hopping between toons. just don't walk back to Paineel after drinking too much of that kobold liquor or you might be paying Master Yael an unexpected visit.

[Silentgrass]

Went there with my duo partner and we were not impressed. As an Iksar Shaman / Monk combo we found it wasn't worth the travel for us. The shaman mobs were pesky and this place can snowball downhill quick if you don't have snare. Would have been nice with a group however.

[Lorelei]

Pardon my asking, but what does ZEM mean?

[thufir]

The problem we noticed with the Warrens was that the mob level ranges are not tight. You'll see a lot of no-xp greens mixed in with dark blues, and the nameds are all red cons. My static group ended up going over to Kerra Isle. Milk and fish for everyone!

Surprisingly good zone, actually, Kerra... been there for about 6 levels now.

[thufir]

Pardon my asking, but what does ZEM mean?

Zone Experience Modifier. Every zone has one. Outdoor zones tend to have lower ZEMs than dungeons.

[Swish]

type it into the wiki, theres a ZEM zone list... if not, just think of popular leveling zones, its basically those + Kedge Keep :p

[Pipip]

I rolled up a ranger and soloed in there. It's kind of annoying. Like it was said, the level ranges are all over the place. There are lots of green wanderers that will attack you while you sit, so you constantly have to kill them just so you can med.

The loot is decent for the level, but the trivial loot code mixed with wide level ranges makes gear drops problematic. I did manage to loot a bunch of pit fighter ankle wraps and gloves. There wasn't any market for them though.

The one good thing about it is that erudite alts now have something to do

[Tulidian]

Is it worth checking out as a level 23 monk who likes to solo? I've been looking for Kurns v2 but I don't know it would be worth it to travel all the way out there if I would only be able to spend a level or two there.

[pharmakos]

probably not worth the travel at 23. you'd be able to eek out a couple more levels killing The Cave Bat Lord and The Mighty Bear Paw and the other top tier nameds in the zone, but you'd run out of steam pretty quick.

--

maybe people just don't understand The Warrens. there's a right path and a left path when you zone in, as you go up in levels you need to go back and forth down the separate paths in order to find mobs in your level range. if you run into too many red cons just turn around and go as far as you can the other way. rinse, repeat. i might write a detailed guide soon. it seriously is the most well designed newbie zone once you understand the place. very logical progression with something to kill from level 4 to the low 20s.

[dafier]

The Warrens is awesome. Just like pharmakos explained.

[Fire Beetle]

Have all the Fire Beetles been killed? Don't worry more will spawn.

[thufir]

type it into the wiki, theres a ZEM zone list... if not, just think of popular leveling zones, its basically those + Kedge Keep :p
Not really.

Befallen, Solusek's Eye, Najena, and Kaesora all have solid ZEMs (over 100, compared to the base outdoor ZEM of 75). Befallen's ZEM is one of the highest of the game, in fact, at 160. Najena's is also very good at 130, and it's usually empty.

City of Mist, one of the most popular leveling zones in the game, has a mediocre 85 ZEM, as does Karnor's Castle.

Popular leveling zones are a tautological loop. They are popular because everyone is there, and everyone is there because they are popular.

[Sebekkha]

They have a higher ZEM due to the added risk, people would rather solidly kill over and over for hours on end chipping away at xp than dying first pull and spending those hours on a nasty corpse run

[jolanar]

They have a higher ZEM due to the added risk, people would rather solidly kill over and over for hours on end chipping away at xp than dying first pull and spending those hours on a nasty corpse run

This. It's been 15 years, people hunt in the same zones because they are the best places to level for various reasons. There are no secrets left in this game.

[Pyrocat]

The loot is decent for the level, but the trivial loot code mixed with wide level ranges makes gear drops problematic.

this isn't a thing on P99

[Pipip]

this isn't a thing on P99

I get trivial loot code messages all the time on R99. I went in there with my druid thinking I would be able to farm stuff, and it didn't work. That's why I moved an alt in there.

[Pyrocat]

What are the messages? Trivial loot code should never been implemented here, on live it was specific to the roleplaying server.

[Pipip]

Away for work till tomorrow, I'll check then for the exact message. But there's a yellow system-type message saying that the mob was not challenging enough for your party, and you don't get anything other than basic loot (coin and junk).

[Jimjam]

What are the messages? Trivial loot code should never been implemented here, on live it was specific to the roleplaying server.

It was on all servers in the Warrens.

[Pyrocat]

Huh, color me surprised. I never remembered that and I spent a lot of time in the Warrens, but I guess it was all on appropriately leveled characters. Weird!

[Lojik]

Great place for cazic worshiping shaman to up their heretic faction for undead fear clickie

[thufir]

This. It's been 15 years, people hunt in the same zones because they are the best places to level for various reasons. There are no secrets left in this game.

Yeah, I don't agree with this. They are the best places to find pugs, sure. And server population is such so that you can't really have more than one or two places per level band to get pugs in and still expect to find them regularly.

But if you have friends to bring with you, and you and them are halfway decent, those high ZEM zones that people aren't usually in can really pay off. Befallen and Solusek's Eye in particular I've found very profitable. I like Kaesora too.

[drktmplr12]

Problem is that most people dont know the layouts and/or dangers of befallen or solusek which leads to overwhelming pulls.

[thufir]

Problem is that most people dont know the layouts and/or dangers of befallen or solusek which leads to overwhelming pulls.

Right. But if you do know, and have friends, they're clearly (imo) better places to level than the overcrowded traditional zones, due to decreased competition and better ZEM.

Conditional statements, sure.

[iruinedyourday]

The problem we noticed with the Warrens was that the mob level ranges are not tight. You'll see a lot of no-xp greens mixed in with dark blues, and the nameds are all red cons. My static group ended up going over to Kerra Isle. Milk and fish for everyone!

Surprisingly good zone, actually, Kerra... been there for about 6 levels now.

I honestly didnt know this zone existed until like a year ago.

Is it vanilla?

shits crazy.

[thufir]

I honestly didnt know this zone existed until like a year ago.

Is it vanilla?

shits crazy.

Kerra's vanilla, yeah, if you're asking about it. Nobody ever went there on Live, either. They did a revamp early in the classic era that reset everyone's faction and implemented some low level quests, and then nobody wanted to hunt there.

It's kind of a tough place, but absolutely no competition, so if you're in the right level range with the right group it's really good xp.

[iruinedyourday]

Kerra's vanilla, yeah, if you're asking about it. Nobody ever went there on Live, either. They did a revamp early in the classic era that reset everyone's faction and implemented some low level quests, and then nobody wanted to hunt there.

It's kind of a tough place, but absolutely no competition, so if you're in the right level range with the right group it's really good xp.

yea I should level up there someday, first time id ever seen it was during Tecmos return he was leveling his chanter there and i was like holy fuckn shit wtf?!

[Man0warr]

CoM and KC are popular because they are dungeons with outdoor tags, which means SoW for easy train escape.

Also melee can bind in CoM.

[pharmakos]

Huh, color me surprised. I never remembered that and I spent a lot of time in the Warrens, but I guess it was all on appropriately leveled characters. Weird!

they took it out eventually. i think it gets taken out on P99 timeline even? don't take my word on that tho.

[jolanar]

Huh, color me surprised. I never remembered that and I spent a lot of time in the Warrens, but I guess it was all on appropriately leveled characters. Weird!

My guess is it's because of the very fast respawn time.

[Morningbreath]

Problem is that most people dont know the layouts and/or dangers of befallen or solusek which leads to overwhelming pulls.

Here's what keeps me out of zones like that:

/who all solA
Pharminiksar 54 disciple
PLtree 53 wanderer
PLbuyin 12 rogue

That's all it takes to completely ruin any kind of exp grouping in a low level dungeon.

[curtischoy]

Here's what keeps me out of zones like that:

/who all solA
Pharminiksar 54 disciple
PLtree 53 wanderer
PLbuyin 12 rogue

That's all it takes to completely ruin any kind of exp grouping in a low level dungeon.

but:

/who all karnors
...
...
...
there are too many players

isnt?

[Dumbo]

Awesome, I wanna go to the Warrens!

[pharmakos]

though, knowing i can have the entire warrens to myself has reinvigorated my love for P99.

[creamypeanutbutter]

warrnes is a great zone

[radda]

Farm me a scepter of the forlorn or two. Considering you have to get exp to have it drop, I won't be in there. I will pay well

[thufir]

Here's what keeps me out of zones like that:

/who all solA
Pharminiksar 54 disciple
PLtree 53 wanderer
PLbuyin 12 rogue

That's all it takes to completely ruin any kind of exp grouping in a low level dungeon.

SolA's bigger than that. But now that I think about it, never seen anyone pl'ing anyone there... I'm sure it happens, but I visit there most than most and haven't observed it.

You see it occasionally in Befallen, which is small enough for one dedicated pl'er to strangle it out. But not very often, since the 3rd floor needs the no-rent key and most don't have the patience.

[pharmakos]

i hope the PLers don't take over this place =/

[Expediency]

Surprisingly good zone, actually, Kerra... been there for about 6 levels now.


There was a link on here a while back that showed the popularity of zones and kerra was the lowest old world exp zone. Only Arena had less visitors.

Kerra is very underrated. It could support several groups pulling mobs all day but nobody visits. A port location and two bind spots are less than five minutes away. ZEM bonus; safe zone in, easy to zone out, even has animals that can be charmed.

I think the reason nobody goes to kerra was the revamp. It originally was the zone you went to at level 6 or so, when you got finished with tox forest and it was scaled for that level. Once they revamped it the mobs got to be level 15-30ish and nobody ever went back.

[xKoopa]

There was a link on here a while back that showed the popularity of zones and kerra was the lowest old world exp zone. Only Arena had less visitors.

Kerra is very underrated. It could support several groups pulling mobs all day but nobody visits. A port location and two bind spots are less than five minutes away. ZEM bonus; safe zone in, easy to zone out, even has animals that can be charmed.

I think the reason nobody goes to kerra was the revamp. It originally was the zone you went to at level 6 or so, when you got finished with tox forest and it was scaled for that level. Once they revamped it the mobs got to be level 15-30ish and nobody ever went back.

I jerked around in there on my monk around lvl 28 or so, and there was a TON of mobs there to kill. I can see kerra being an amazing xp spot for a group or even to PL.

[Expediency]

I jerked around in there on my monk around lvl 28 or so, and there was a TON of mobs there to kill. I can see kerra being an amazing xp spot for a group or even to PL.

The city in the back probably leads the old world in mobs per square inch. Possible to get some *huge* pulls from back there

[xKoopa]

The city in the back probably leads the old world in mobs per square inch. Possible to get some *huge* pulls from back there

Yup thats where i was at

Friend thought it was all newbie mobs and was swiftly wrecked when he pulled a bunch of those lol

[thufir]

The city in the back probably leads the old world in mobs per square inch. Possible to get some *huge* pulls from back there

Yeah, we just had our bard running aoe mez song and set up in the fire pit, or later on in the castle with High Priestess Mitty. The mobs basically pull themselves. Ended up leveling from 14 to 23 there.

Did you know that High Priestess Mitty drops the Copper *and* Gold Rings for the Paw of Opolla quest? Wiki sure didn't! (It seems to think that the current Mitty is the "new" Mitty.)

[pharmakos]

The Warrens > Kerra Isle

[Silken]

i hope the PLers don't take over this place =/Was in there yesterday, and an enchanter (from a normally reputable guild) and a druid were working together to pull the entire zone to the entrance, to powerlevel a bard. Ran all the lowbies out of the zone in the process unfortunately.

[Pipip]

A group of us did the king room yesterday. It changed my opinion of the zone. We had a blast

[TheRusty]

So, just got back from a little vacation in the Warrens...

Everything in there aggos, regardless of level. This is certainly a bug, because back when it went live, only the rabid kobolds would aggro after the stopped giving XP. I would know, I spent an ungodly amount of time there getting my Iksar SK to ally with Paineel.

So everything aggros and nothing drops loot, because of trivial loot code. This is, needless to say, annoying. And there is SO MUCH of this aggro, no-XP, no-loot trash. And it respawns in like three minutes, it gets a little nuts.

[xKoopa]

So, just got back from a little vacation in the Warrens...

Everything in there aggos, regardless of level. This is certainly a bug, because back when it went live, only the rabid kobolds would aggro after the stopped giving XP. I would know, I spent an ungodly amount of time there getting my Iksar SK to ally with Paineel.

So everything aggros and nothing drops loot, because of trivial loot code. This is, needless to say, annoying. And there is SO MUCH of this aggro, no-XP, no-loot trash. And it respawns in like three minutes, it gets a little nuts.

Only if youre sitting

If you stand you shouldnt aggro any non xp mobs

My monk was lvl 28 or so when i explored and only named mobs and the diseased kobolds by muglwump would aggro

[Millburn]

Goat play some Phinny with me when it opens up. I got your Krono covered if you're down.

[elwing]

Only if youre sitting

If you stand you shouldnt aggro any non xp mobs

My monk was lvl 28 or so when i explored and only named mobs and the diseased kobolds by muglwump would aggro

Add the rats near the diseased kobolds too, but otherwise exact, also at 27... did I already mentioned the diseased kobolds in question proc a disease with an unlimited (more than 1hour and a half, at least) duration?

[pharmakos]

Goat play some Phinny with me when it opens up. I got your Krono covered if you're down.

kk.

[xKoopa]

Add the rats near the diseased kobolds too, but otherwise exact, also at 27... did I already mentioned the diseased kobolds in question proc a disease with an unlimited (more than 1hour and a half, at least) duration?

haha yeah that disease

i had to live with that for quite a while til i got a cure