Official Donald TRUMP debunking thread

[James_Joyce]

As we are all aware, Lord TRUMP has survived the latest manufactured stumpening attempt on his candidacy, the infamous remarks on people celebrating 9/11, unscathed and indeed 100% vindicated (plus said attempt caused millions to Google the 9/11 dancing Mossad involved in the plot, to whom he was obliquely referring). He's a narrative-crafting wizard like we haven't seen since Rove, blowing his summoned black mist into the media smoke and mirrors machine and forcing it to shit out facts contrary to the narrative.

So far the only truly damaging quote of which I am aware is about his father granting him a "small one million dollar loan". I scarcely even hear this one repeated, even though it's the best they have, as the establishment idiots are trying to come up with something that's a bit more damning than this molehill.

This thread is for posting hatred and vitriol for Donald TRUMP and making an attempt at damaging his credibility. We're all well aware that every candidate on both sides but TRUMP is a clown on a short leash that doesn't mind getting pozzed by a train of valuable Black lives or marrying wealthy trolls of strategically-chosen ethnicity if it means their name gets put on a list that starts with George Washington, even if they never wield a modicum of the personal sovereignty of our early, independent presidents.

This thread is for proving that Lord TRUMP, a man of considerable cunning and outward confidence, and a campaign approach that demonstrates special-interest strongarming will not stump him easily, is inferior to these frightened truckstop prostitutes who have to read crib notes to get through their debates and let shrieking black harpies take over their campaign events out of sheer terror of the PC gestapo. Hit me and let's keep this unbiased and earnest. I'm ready to learn, but pic of my bed related demonstrates where I'm coming from here so hit me hard.

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[iruinedyourday]

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[Lune]

Trump stumped. I'd vote for him over any other repub candidate though, if I weren't voting for Bernie Fucking Sanders. Or Bill Clinton and his banshee wife when Bernie loses the primary.

There's no doubt he's at least moderately intelligent, but nothing special. If you look at the performance of his enterprises, and weigh it with the opportunities he had being born into enormous wealth, he's a very mediocre businessman at best. Honestly I'd be embarrassed to be Trump and campaign on the strength of my business acumen when I know deep down I'm a trust fund baby and there are people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page out there with actual skill and vision.

He is dishonest. I can only guess how many illegal immigrants he has employed cleaning his hotels. He's not serious about fixing immigration. Build a wall? You can tell when someone isn't serious about fixing immigration when they propose something like that. A wall is powerful imagery, but it's ultimately extremely ineffective. Great Britain has the English fucking Channel and how well does that work for them? A wall also does nothing for the tens of millions that are already here, and trust me, Trump is not going to deport millions of people. States wouldn't cooperate, Congress wouldn't cooperate, and he has no realistic plan to fund such a massive operation. If you want to stop immigration, you have to target the employers that hire them. They don't come here for freedom, they come here for economic reasons, and if that impetus isn't there, they don't come. We saw that when immigration fell off a cliff during the great recession, and we see that as hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees bypass the Balkan states, Spain, and Italy, to get to the thriving socialist Nordic states.

But guess what? The employers are, by and large, the people who control the politicians, and they have a vested economic interest in retaining immigrant labor and the resulting wage depression. So the same thing will happen that has been happening for decades; politicians will make a lot of rhetoric about immigration, but they won't do anything that is actually effective, because their corporate owners don't want them to... even though real, substantive immigration reform has bipartisan support among your typical middle class white.

I still believe Trump was only running for this election to further his personal brand, as he did in the last election, and he was surprised by his success, which stemmed from the entire Republican field being extremely weak, without a single good candidate, and from wide bipartisan support for tough immigration rhetoric.

I agree with some of his rhetoric, but that's all it is... rhetoric. What you have left is a deeply toxic and negative person, which are qualities unfit for presidency.

[Stasis01]

You still haven't explained why a wall wouldn't work, once a person is deported and flagged not to be allowed in by plane what is their move unless crossing an unprotected border?

[Stasis01]

Also why can't you deport illegal immigrants, that came illegally.

I don't understand who would agree with illegal immigration?

[Stasis01]

And I'm off to bed.

I will add one more post before I go.

I know how Trump will deport 11 million illegal immigrants.

Juan by Juan.

[wts]

I don't understand who would agree with illegal immigration?

Do you have HBO? If so, watch the sweet home alabama episode of VICE and report back:

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/04/hbos_vice_to_examine_sweet_hom.html

Alabama successfully removed virtually all of its illegal immigrants. The farming industry suffered so much loss as a result that they're now letting illegal immigrants back in.

[Lune]

You still haven't explained why a wall wouldn't work, once a person is deported and flagged not to be allowed in by plane what is their move unless crossing an unprotected border?

1. If they want to cross, and can't cross the wall, they will take a boat or find another route around the wall.

2. Trump only wants to build a wall along a small part of the border, claiming that the Rio Grande and barren desert are a natural wall for the rest of the expanse. (This is laughable)

3. The Mediterranean sea / English Channel / Aegean sea do not work for Spain/Italy / England / Greece. If the oligarchs who own the politicians aren't getting their cheap labor fix, they will find a way to import immigrants. Examine what happened with the English and Polish guest workers, etc.

4. Even Palestinians are able to physically get into Israel, arguably the most walled-off, secure sanctuary state in the world. Except the Israelis are racist sociopathic fucks and a Palestinian immigrant isn't going to find a better life there.

Alabama successfully removed virtually all of its illegal immigrants. The farming industry suffered so much loss as a result that they're now letting illegal immigrants back in.

If your business model relies on illegal slave-like labor, you should not be in business.

[Stasis01]

1. If they want to cross, and can't cross the wall, they will take a boat or find another route around the wall.

2. Trump only wants to build a wall along a small part of the border, claiming that the Rio Grande and barren desert are a natural wall for the rest of the expanse.

3. The Mediterranean sea / English Channel / Aegean sea do not work for Spain/Italy / England / Greece. If the oligarchs who own the politicians aren't getting their cheap labor fix, they will find a way to import immigrants. Examine what happened with the English and Polish guest workers, etc.

4. Even Palestinians are able to physically get into Israel, arguably the most walled-off, secure sanctuary state in the world. Except the Israelis are racist sociopathic fucks and a Palestinian immigrant isn't going to find a better life there.



If your business model relies on illegal slave-like labor, you should not be in business.

My Condom can break so I might as well just not wear one fuck it.

Literally makes no sense, I don't think anyone is saying it would be 100%, but saying that everyone can go catch boats that will make it into the US as easily is ridiculous.

And if the precedent is set that when you're caught you're booted the fuck out, it's quite a different picture painted to people catching that boat.

That is not being heartless, that's the way it should be.

[Lune]

My Condom can break so I might as well just not wear one fuck it.

Literally makes no sense, I don't think anyone is saying it would be 100%, but saying that everyone can go catch boats that will make it into the US as easily is ridiculous.

And if the precedent is set that when you're caught you're booted the fuck out, it's quite a different picture painted to people catching that boat.

That is not being heartless, that's the way it should be.

I'm not pro-immigration, I'm simply explaining why Trump's rhetoric is only rhetoric, and his "solution" is a bad/unrealistic one.

It's not about being 100% effective or not, as it is a good solution versus a bad solution. Walls do not fix the problem, they have been tried all over the world, and a wall does nothing to disenfranchise those who are already here or deter them from returning.

Reforming employment so companies can't hire illegals is 100x cheaper than a wall and 100x more effective. Analysts have known for decades that if we wanted to actually make an attempt to solve this issue, that is where we would start.

[Stasis01]

It's not bad or unrealistic, it's like step one where all other steps are pointless without it.

The guy who killed that kid was deported 5 times. I doubt that fucker was working.

[Dillian]

pick up your toy plastic guns retard.

[Pokesan]

Walls work in Minecraft though Lune. Check and mate.

[James_Joyce]

If illegal immigrants are still making it in then the penalties simply aren't stiff enough. You'll never hit 100% deterrence but you can hit 90%+ with some very simple steps. Literally the entire argument that the border simply cannot be defended is based around a paradigm where nobody has the will to do what must be done because the solutions sound too bad. By shifting the Overton window and allowing discussion of what must be done, this is what a TRUMP presidency proposes to fix.

Big wall; live ammunition for border patrol; hellfire drones for unauthorized vehicles; third criminal deportation is to a burial at sea in international waters. If that doesn't deter enough, make it the first deportation. Managers found guilty of aiding and abetting treason and sedition against the United States of America by providing unauthorized inhabitants of the US with material support tried accordingly. The only people who will be destroyed are those enemies who seek themselves to destroy the United States of America. Utilization of the very simple and effective solutions available to us is in reach if we can elect somebody willing and able to throw off the shackles of political correctness and discard the pathological altruism that has allowed the world into its unbalanced current state, before that imbalance grows so strong that entire races and great masses of millions must be liquidated in a 20th Century-style cataclysm for Western civilization to survive.

Would you let your own softness force your descendents into a position where they must murder entire categories of unassimilated inhabitants of their continent to stand a chance at survival? By allowing immigration to outstrip our capacity to assimilate, you would damn your own children to choose between destruction and whatever Hell is reserved for genocidists.

All Lune is really saying ITT is that it's unlikely one man could muster the political will to make happen what must happen to save the Republic, and perhaps that is so. Does it excuse us from trying?

What Lord TRUMP spells out is nothing compared to what he is implying at every turn. He sees what is going on better than any of us. What he promises is not less than what he says, as with most candidates: it is more. See 4th poll option.

http://i.imgur.com/MxOyMhG.png

Build the "wall", whatever it must be made of -- concrete, steel, armed Predator drones, or punitive lethal injection chambers. Ship them back, perhaps even in small urns for those who fail to report themselves to INS if it saves enough expense for Americans, and save your crocodile tears for these criminals and enemies of civilization, these cowards who have abandoned their own nation and people to depredation and humiliation and eternal dependency on the guiding hand of great nations such as ours for stability.

Stop anchor babies without eroding our constitutional protection of citizenship as a birthright by sterilizing unauthorized immigrants immediately upon detection. Anchor babies who slip through the cracks can be raised and assimilated by the State. Stop forcing American citizens to remove their shoes and prostrate themselves before a naked body scanner to enter a plane, and instead stop allowing categories of people who are high-risk for American citizens to enter our aircraft and our nation, or gain citizenship in the first place. American citizenship should be an extremely valuable commodity and provide a highly privileged existence. Looking forward to all the self-hating "world citizens" on this board shitting themselves in protest that a people should aim to elevate itself.

Oh and by the way, before you chimpanzees start shrieking about racism consider that there are many, many American citizens of all races and creeds. I would never dream of taking liberty from an American of any shade; only giving. I dream of raising up men and women of all races and colors. This includes those "anchor babies" who we are not able to prevent from being born here, who are protected by our Constitution. It is not the fault of such a child that our own weakness or incompetency at defending our borders allowed them to be birthed in the US, and we are obligated to accept them as citizens. They should enjoy all of the privileges of an American. Their families, though? Definitely not.

By my reckoning the TRUMP remains unstumped. Please try again.

[Pokesan]

I think I just 'got' Big Japan

I may have taken and ambien and forgotten about it. Better go to bed.

#RideTheWalrus

[AzzarTheGod]

2. Trump only wants to build a wall along a small part of the border, claiming that the Rio Grande and barren desert are a natural wall for the rest of the expanse. (This is laughable)

If your business model relies on illegal slave-like labor, you should not be in business.

I can say how laughable claiming the Rio Grande is a barrier is, I have seen it with my own eyes my family has a ranch directly on the border as far south as you can get, and the river is barely above-ground and extremely narrow in certain areas. You can nearly walk across some parts. These areas where the river is underground have a lot of cliffs, but they looked like you could scale them. I joked once that the main house will fall into the Rio some day, as its sitting on one of these cliffs immediately above the Rio.

Border patrol forces private property to maintain and develop fences, under threat of being sued by the Fed. If border patrol chased someone through the fence (they regularly ram their cars through as part of the job), they would call to say there is a hole in the fence, "fix it bitch". click. Its like yeah thanks for creating a criminal and civil liability for us. Don't know the legal obligation, just know its not worth arguing over and its expected that you maintain a shitty 8 foot chain link fence in some areas.

And yeah they shouldn't be in business. Illegal labor forces working class citizens to accept lower wages.

[Lune]

If illegal immigrants are still making it in then the penalties simply aren't stiff enough. You'll never hit 100% deterrence but you can hit 90%+ with some very simple steps. Literally the entire argument that the border simply cannot be defended is based around a paradigm where nobody has the will to do what must be done because the solutions sound too bad. By shifting the Overton window and allowing discussion of what must be done, this is what a TRUMP presidency proposes to fix.

Big wall; live ammunition for border patrol; hellfire drones for unauthorized vehicles; third criminal deportation is to a burial at sea in international waters. If that doesn't deter enough, make it the first deportation. Managers found guilty of aiding and abetting treason and sedition against the United States of America by providing unauthorized inhabitants of the US with material support tried accordingly. The only people who will be destroyed are those enemies who seek themselves to destroy the United States of America. Utilization of the very simple and effective solutions available to us is in reach if we can elect somebody willing and able to throw off the shackles of political correctness and discard the pathological altruism that has allowed the world into its unbalanced current state, before that imbalance grows so strong that entire races and great masses of millions must be liquidated in a 20th Century-style cataclysm for Western civilization to survive.

Would you let your own softness force your descendents into a position where they must murder entire categories of unassimilated inhabitants of their continent to stand a chance at survival? By allowing immigration to outstrip our capacity to assimilate, you would damn your own children to choose between destruction and whatever Hell is reserved for genocidists.

All Lune is really saying ITT is that it's unlikely one man could muster the political will to make happen what must happen to save the Republic, and perhaps that is so. Does it excuse us from trying?

What Lord TRUMP spells out is nothing compared to what he is implying at every turn. He sees what is going on better than any of us. What he promises is not less than what he says, as with most candidates: it is more. See 4th poll option.

Build the "wall", whatever it must be made of -- concrete, steel, armed Predator drones, or punitive lethal injection chambers. Ship them back, perhaps even in small urns for those who fail to report themselves to INS if it saves enough expense for Americans, and save your crocodile tears for these criminals and enemies of civilization, these cowards who have abandoned their own nation and people to depredation and humiliation and eternal dependency on the guiding hand of great nations such as ours for stability.

Stop anchor babies without eroding our constitutional protection of citizenship as a birthright by sterilizing unauthorized immigrants immediately upon detection. Anchor babies who slip through the cracks can be raised and assimilated by the State. Stop forcing American citizens to remove their shoes and prostrate themselves before a naked body scanner to enter a plane, and instead stop allowing categories of people who are high-risk for American citizens to enter our aircraft and our nation, or gain citizenship in the first place. American citizenship should be an extremely valuable commodity and provide a highly privileged existence. Looking forward to all the self-hating "world citizens" on this board shitting themselves in protest that a people should aim to elevate itself.

Oh and by the way, before you chimpanzees start shrieking about racism consider that there are many, many American citizens of all races and creeds. I would never dream of taking liberty from an American of any shade; only giving. I dream of raising up men and women of all races and colors. This includes those "anchor babies" who we are not able to prevent from being born here, who are protected by our Constitution. It is not the fault of such a child that our own weakness or incompetency at defending our borders allowed them to be birthed in the US, and we are obligated to accept them as citizens. They should enjoy all of the privileges of an American. Their families, though? Definitely not.

By my reckoning the TRUMP remains unstumped. Please try again.

Oh man I actually agree with some of this. Is this what I sound like when I promote fascist things?

Trump's not gonna legalize massacres on foreign civilians though.

[Pokesan]

what are the pros/cons of jus soli v sanguinis

[James_Joyce]

I think I just 'got' Big Japan

I may have taken and ambien and forgotten about it. Better go to bed.

#RideTheWalrus

das it mane

https://i.imgur.com/7bnfy7D.png

[iruinedyourday]

If illegal immigrants are still making it in then the penalties simply aren't stiff enough. You'll never hit 100% deterrence but you can hit 90%+ with some very simple steps. Literally the entire argument that the border simply cannot be defended is based around a paradigm where nobody has the will to do what must be done because the solutions sound too bad. By shifting the Overton window and allowing discussion of what must be done, this is what a TRUMP presidency proposes to fix.

Big wall; live ammunition for border patrol; hellfire drones for unauthorized vehicles; third criminal deportation is to a burial at sea in international waters. If that doesn't deter enough, make it the first deportation. Managers found guilty of aiding and abetting treason and sedition against the United States of America by providing unauthorized inhabitants of the US with material support tried accordingly. The only people who will be destroyed are those enemies who seek themselves to destroy the United States of America. Utilization of the very simple and effective solutions available to us is in reach if we can elect somebody willing and able to throw off the shackles of political correctness and discard the pathological altruism that has allowed the world into its unbalanced current state, before that imbalance grows so strong that entire races and great masses of millions must be liquidated in a 20th Century-style cataclysm for Western civilization to survive.

Would you let your own softness force your descendents into a position where they must murder entire categories of unassimilated inhabitants of their continent to stand a chance at survival? By allowing immigration to outstrip our capacity to assimilate, you would damn your own children to choose between destruction and whatever Hell is reserved for genocidists.

All Lune is really saying ITT is that it's unlikely one man could muster the political will to make happen what must happen to save the Republic, and perhaps that is so. Does it excuse us from trying?

What Lord TRUMP spells out is nothing compared to what he is implying at every turn. He sees what is going on better than any of us. What he promises is not less than what he says, as with most candidates: it is more. See 4th poll option.

http://i.imgur.com/MxOyMhG.png

Build the "wall", whatever it must be made of -- concrete, steel, armed Predator drones, or punitive lethal injection chambers. Ship them back, perhaps even in small urns for those who fail to report themselves to INS if it saves enough expense for Americans, and save your crocodile tears for these criminals and enemies of civilization, these cowards who have abandoned their own nation and people to depredation and humiliation and eternal dependency on the guiding hand of great nations such as ours for stability.

Stop anchor babies without eroding our constitutional protection of citizenship as a birthright by sterilizing unauthorized immigrants immediately upon detection. Anchor babies who slip through the cracks can be raised and assimilated by the State. Stop forcing American citizens to remove their shoes and prostrate themselves before a naked body scanner to enter a plane, and instead stop allowing categories of people who are high-risk for American citizens to enter our aircraft and our nation, or gain citizenship in the first place. American citizenship should be an extremely valuable commodity and provide a highly privileged existence. Looking forward to all the self-hating "world citizens" on this board shitting themselves in protest that a people should aim to elevate itself.

Oh and by the way, before you chimpanzees start shrieking about racism consider that there are many, many American citizens of all races and creeds. I would never dream of taking liberty from an American of any shade; only giving. I dream of raising up men and women of all races and colors. This includes those "anchor babies" who we are not able to prevent from being born here, who are protected by our Constitution. It is not the fault of such a child that our own weakness or incompetency at defending our borders allowed them to be birthed in the US, and we are obligated to accept them as citizens. They should enjoy all of the privileges of an American. Their families, though? Definitely not.

By my reckoning the TRUMP remains unstumped. Please try again.

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[maskedmelon]

Oh man I actually agree with some of this. Is this what I sound like when I promote fascist things?



Reason does not judge the conclusions it delivers.

[Kyff]

If illegal immigrants are still making it in then the penalties simply aren't stiff enough. You'll never hit 100% deterrence but you can hit 90%+ with some very simple steps. Literally the entire argument that the border simply cannot be defended is based around a paradigm where nobody has the will to do what must be done because the solutions sound too bad. By shifting the Overton window and allowing discussion of what must be done, this is what a TRUMP presidency proposes to fix.

Big wall; live ammunition for border patrol; hellfire drones for unauthorized vehicles; third criminal deportation is to a burial at sea in international waters.

This and the following sermon is madness on so many levels it's unbelievable. Whatever you and your buddy plan to do will never become reality.

I doubt the Mexicans will install any form of deterrent. So the immigrants will try to scale the walls. You correctly predicted that they may only be affected by force. In essence you want to kill every foreigner who goes near your border. In other words immigration shall become punished by death penalty without judge or jury. I don't think the American electorate will be prepared to cast such a vote and if they do I'm pretty sure the supreme vourt would not have it.

As building and manning such a wall with East German Border Guard who shoot at everything will be quite costly it might he more efficient to use this money to make life in Mexico more brearable. Only very few people leave their home without dire need. We shoult try to prevent such dire need from developing.

[iruinedyourday]

This is missing the option: Trump will stump you all the day he gets nominated and drops out of the race declaring the democratic candidate, the de facto winner.

[Madbad]

Are they going to hire immigrant labor to build the wall? Gotta keep dem construction costs down!