Are you guys sick of Velious already?

[Lojik]

Let me temper this post a bit by acknowledging that I just started playing again after not really playing much over the past two years.

That being said, almost all the zones in velious are dead: East Wastes, great divide, kael, velks, SG, CS,tofs, iceclad. This is even at times when the pop is around 1100...the zones i listed have an average of 3 or 4 (including myself) players, velks had 2 but /who all seb showed 20 people.

Did you guys want 4 more years of kunark?

[Malbolshia]

The other day me and some buddies of mine were in velks.

The mobs there at the entrance were all DB con, dident seem to hit our tank too hard, but with me (enc) hasting our rogue, bard and pally tank, druid nuking between healing with our cleric mean healer, each mob took forever to kill.

Seems like with all the HP they have, its really not that efficient xp.

Seems that way for all zones in Velious. Big hitpoint pools, with low ZEM and xp per kill.

Better xp in Kunark IMO.

[Morlaeth]

Yeah velious was never known for exp.

[jcr4990]

Kunark is significantly better xp. It's really not even close. Some ppl knew that going into Velious and others it took them a bit to realize it.

[iruinedyourday]

I woulda been fine w/ 4 or 40 more years of kunark.

[XDrake]

Some things from live didn't translate over, and part of that was Kunark included. :)

LOIO used to have 100 people. Lucky to have 7 at any time.

FM has groups chilling out on the zone walls.

I always thought HS got a lot more love on P99 than live.

I remember FV being a bustling hub for a long time into Kunark launch. Sometimes people even selling there.

Some zones just didn't get the same love. As for Velious? Iceclad, GD, and EW definitely had more love. Kael is as busy as it was in live from what I remember.

I think a big difference to is we have a lot of people... But peak times don't see 2k. Sunday nights on EQ back in the day? 2500-3000 people. We literally had double the population at all times.

I love Velious is in game. More raid content, new challenges, and lots of really cool quests people can work on on their own or in groups.

Honestly, I was getting sick of Classic and then getting sick of Kunark...

Velious to me was the crown of EQ before it went in a direction I personally didn't like.

[Oleris]

give cats on moon

[Thulack]

People are never happy. 6 months ago everyone "when's velious, We want velious". Now veious has been out for 4 months "We are bored with velious". Lol

[Raev]

Let me temper this post a bit by acknowledging that I just started playing again after not really playing much over the past two years.

That being said, almost all the zones in velious are dead: East Wastes, great divide, kael, velks, SG, CS,tofs, iceclad. This is even at times when the pop is around 1100...the zones i listed have an average of 3 or 4 (including myself) players, velks had 2 but /who all seb showed 20 people.

Did you guys want 4 more years of kunark?

I think it's a confluence of difficulty and reward. Velious has a substantially higher degree of difficulty, yet most of the items aren't really better now that Kunark has been farmed so hard for years. I figured armor gems would be expensive, but the bottleneck there is the quest pieces/faction, so even BP gems only sell for 7k (and falling).

[Swish]

People are never happy. 6 months ago everyone "when's velious, We want velious". Now veious has been out for 4 months "We are bored with velious". Lol

Its more than that, someone was asking for leveling advice in a thread about a month ago without saying "I want to min/max to 60" so I suggested some Velious xp'ing and was promptly shut down by about 3-4 people, then again by a couple more after I had a rat about this exact thing.

Take Velious back out imo, the community doesn't deserve it with all the whining and min/maxing :o

[Nirgon]

Velks was better than seb for xp on live but I wasn't grouped with clowns so idk what to tell you

[azeth]

really enjoying velious raiding over kunark raiding fo sho

[indiscriminate_hater]

server should only be vanilla EQ imo

[dafier]

I am waiting for the upgrade to PoP! WOOOOOOOOOO!!

seriously that would be awesome. ;)

[dafier]

server should only be vanilla EQ imo

Woops! I meant to say another server option for PoP. /hugs current blue 99

[Cecily]

I saw Velious. It was white and blue instead the brown I had become accustomed to. GMed tailoring and pretty much won EQ. Was a fun experience. Thanks Rogean, Nilbog, and the rest.

[Swish]

So nobody got a Velious gamma tan from the bright screen yet?

[LostCause]

sounds non classic like this server

[JurisDictum]

I got a sickness,


and the only way to cure it....

6975

is Dragons

[Found]

I'm still having a lot of fun~

[Fettsack]

I saw Velious. It was white and blue instead the brown I had become accustomed to. GMed tailoring and pretty much won EQ. Was a fun experience. Thanks Rogean, Nilbog, and the rest.

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Seriously? :D

[Thulack]

Edited 63 times.

Seriously? :D

Its his Sig you nub. You cant edit in RnF :rolleyes:

[Swish]

I'm sick of this thread already.

Take that OP.

[Cherry23]

give cats on moon

[Cherry23]

I am waiting for the upgrade to PoP! WOOOOOOOOOO!!

seriously that would be awesome. ;)

[Jimjam]

I didn't buy Velious when it came out.

An entire expansion of Everfrost/Permafrost stretched over an entire continent but with tall/short barbarian variants sounded monotonous as hell to me.

I think I skipped velious until way after PoP.

[indiscriminate_hater]

it's confirmed - velious is dead. bring back something else. rabble rabble

[Seltius]

Keep in mind that back on live it was new and no one know what the ZEM or how hard the mobs were. So at that time it was exciting here people are more looking at the next thing and there isn't the infusion of new players regularly that there was on live. At the end of the day this isn't a game that ages well. Here on this server the goal is to level up and raid endgame content with whatever guild you join. So you aren't going to have noobs running around with stars in their eyes to see the wonder of the new expansion. They are going to the zones with a purpose.

[katrik]

Haven't logged in in over a year. I did not like Velious.

[Swish]

Haven't logged in in over a year. I did not like Velious.

Kunark was the classic high point for me too. Even on live I just didn't have time to do all of the Velious content.... in a way that's a good thing here as we've certainly got time.

[Kayso]

Kunark was the classic high point for me too. Even on live I just didn't have time to do all of the Velious content.... in a way that's a good thing here as we've certainly got time.

With the time you spend on the forums, I can't imagine there's anything you don't have ample time for.

[maskedmelon]

I honestly don't think the problem w/ Velks is hp; it's mitigation. Low 50s pure melee in Velks feel like paladins...

[Tuljin]

Let me temper this post a bit by acknowledging that I just started playing again after not really playing much over the past two years.

That being said, almost all the zones in velious are dead: East Wastes, great divide, kael, velks, SG, CS,tofs, iceclad. This is even at times when the pop is around 1100...the zones i listed have an average of 3 or 4 (including myself) players, velks had 2 but /who all seb showed 20 people.

Did you guys want 4 more years of kunark?

To answer my friend whom I haven't seen in a while with honesty and hopefully not result in censorship and a forum ban...

People got hip to the fact that Velious zones aren't great XP fairly quickly. Chardok AOE ground to a halt for a while but it picked back up. With the way the "raid" scene has escalated and the fact that most of the people who now play on the server started well after Chardok AOE, people really only roll classes with the specific intent of "raiding" and many of them consider AOE the only viable means of gaining levels.

Seb still gets traffic because its a great zone, great XP, and now with Velious its less populated and there's usually always a good XP camp open. The big money camps are also still camped but with less asshattery. These days everybody is busy "raiding" or getting XP at Chardok in order to "raid." The fact of the matter is due to this "raid" obsession and reliance on plvl the average group of players on this server can't even fight their way down to Chef or Disco in Seb because nobody even cares about group play really at all and they can't hack it. Nobody wants a corpse run in a zone where the population is low enough that a rez at ZL is no longer a sure thing. They also won't play the game without their specific desired group composition.

A lot has changed over the past two years and the server really is different. Metagame has totally taken over and any semblance of "classic" community is long gone. Many players now came from other MMOs and many of the awesome "old school" personalities had life catch up with them and got sick of this server over the passing of the last 6 years. DKP, Guild forums, and a parked alt army have all become status quo and most players here now know no different.

Ultimately the server is in the hands of the players and after 4 years of Kunark the server has come to this. There were some institutions that wished to preserve a sense of tight camaraderie, "classic" gameplay without DKP and headsets, a no-nub no-dead-weight and no-zerg policy, and a "fuck the system" attitude which really is necessary to keep the neckbeards in check, but any such movement has been reduced to smoldering embers due to unbelievable arrogance and a variety of personality disorders and pixel lust.

I am free from the shackles of pixel lust and I just want to play and level toons. No politics, no fellatio, no headsets, just good times and having fun. "Fun" to many players here isn't camping good drops on remote named mobs in little-traversed zones, its chatting in Teamspeak, plvling in order to "raid", and waiting in line for pixels. That's what P99 has become. My friendships on this server were formed through adventure, helping firiends directly get gear and XP and growing as a player, not by voicechat and my raid attendance percentage.

Winter has come and P99 is completely different than it once was. It is what it is. The Velious dungeons will remain low population and everyone will keep waiting for batphones to "raid" because that is what the community has become and nobody knows any different. I will continue to play for fun and have adventures, but barking at people in TS and spreadsheet jockeying is not my idea of a "classic" experience at all whatsoever. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

[Tuljin]

PS Pras Swish

[Lojik]

/shrug...I loved Velious on live. I can understand why some people just plain didn't like it, but it felt like the majority of people (from reading the forums) couldn't wait for this expansion. Now it's been here three months, and it's back to the same old thing (outside of named dragon pops and hot farming.) Back to solo farming NG with your 60 shm, leveling alt # 7 to 60 (but making sure you level 13% faster in seb because mobs die slightly faster v. a new velious zone,) back to Chardok PL (because god forbid you actually have to play alt #12 to get him to 60,) back to sitting in EC trying to get slightly better prices on things. I just don't understand the rush...this is the last expansion, and any custom content they do will likely be years off. Velious still has an abundance of new places to kill and some good cash camps. It's just sad (to me) when KC and Seb probably have a higher pop than all of velious combined. I never found seb to be great exp, and kc was only good exp when it was relatively empty. Oh well, I guess more open places for me to kill.

[Tuljin]

I've been banging that drum very hard for a very long time my friend and not only does it fall on deaf ears it also results in forum bans, apparently.

Everything is back to same old same old because that's the way the metagame has been designed and the new players just fall right in line. If you build it, they will come.

[jcr4990]

making sure you level 13% faster in seb because mobs die slightly faster v. a new velious zone

If that was true ppl would actually lvl in Velks. Seb is way more than 13% faster. I spent a few hours in Velks on my 51 Rog and xp was atrocious even in a solid duo. Zero doubt in my mind that SolB BnB/LDC or Freeti trash would be in the neighborhood of 50% faster.

[Xadion]

on live velks was the place for exp and nice loot farm... maybe its not tuned right? or whatever- but velks was "the" place to level in velious timeline

[Troxx]

With the time you spend on the forums, I can't imagine there's anything you don't have ample time for.

Lol

[Murri]

Anyone done a full ae of geonid caverns on their bard yet? I feel like that'd be some pretty crispy xp if someone could harmony or peel off the shamans.

[nyclin]

on live velks was the place for exp and nice loot farm... maybe its not tuned right? or whatever- but velks was "the" place to level in velious timeline

it's tuned fine, mobs in velks always had more hp and did more dmg than Kunark/vanilla dungeons

the key on live was that velious was fresh & new and people wanted the loot and the experience of playing in a new area. on P99, people realize that velks is subpar exp and instead flock to KC/Sebilis (but mostly KC)

i still wish people would spend more time in HS and Sebilis here. it seems fairly hard to find a pickup group for either zone, but KC is almost always packed.

[maskedmelon]

My recollection was during Velious era, Velks was only a leveling habitat for upper 50s and did not become popular outside that level range until later. Too many misses/resists.

[Danth]

the key on live was that velious was fresh & new and people wanted the loot and the experience of playing in a new area. on P99, people realize that velks is subpar exp and instead flock to KC/Sebilis (but mostly KC)

Live also had twice as many people, or more, than P1999 on many servers and many less at level 60. Pickup groups in popular zones tended to spend a lot of time waiting around for respawns. Velketor's with 20 people is going to be better experience than Karnor's with 80. P1999 doesn't really have sufficient population to overcrowd all the most popular leveling spots so the secondary areas don't see so much traffic.

Danth

[Champion_Standing]

You guys should try drugs.

[JayDee]

Smart people saw this coming. Velious does not offer anything for the casual player.

[ctre]

Velious was always harder.
It is a much bigger time sink.
if you examine the number of hours required to just go and play for a little bit, Velious requires much more time than the Kunark era.
So the Neckbeards still get to enjoy there 18 hour EQ day, but little Jonny cannot put more than an hour or 2 gets the rough end of the stick.
for example I might wanted to go and squish a few frogs for half an hour, but now.. if you want to go squish some spiders in velks.. more time is needed. So the older more casual players are affected in this way and do not log in as much.

My guess, (and opinion) This is an initial hit to the player base and I expect that the older zones will be more used again once some content filters down from the neckbeards to the casual 30 minute players.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

My recollection was during Velious era, Velks was only a leveling habitat for upper 50s and did not become popular outside that level range until later. Too many misses/resists.

Eh. For us it mostly became popular post revamp (added nameds, itemization etc. -- the way it is now) as a luclin AAXP zone when you couldn't manage a seb ae or chardok ae or a CT loot/xp run. All of that changed when fire ae opened though $$$

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

https://i.imgur.com/V3C8RnC.gif

[Tuljin]

Velious changed you into a completely jacked Will Ferrell????? Lolololololol =)

[burkemi5]

To answer my friend whom I haven't seen in a while with honesty and hopefully not result in censorship and a forum ban...

People got hip to the fact that Velious zones aren't great XP fairly quickly. Chardok AOE ground to a halt for a while but it picked back up. With the way the "raid" scene has escalated and the fact that most of the people who now play on the server started well after Chardok AOE, people really only roll classes with the specific intent of "raiding" and many of them consider AOE the only viable means of gaining levels.

Seb still gets traffic because its a great zone, great XP, and now with Velious its less populated and there's usually always a good XP camp open. The big money camps are also still camped but with less asshattery. These days everybody is busy "raiding" or getting XP at Chardok in order to "raid." The fact of the matter is due to this "raid" obsession and reliance on plvl the average group of players on this server can't even fight their way down to Chef or Disco in Seb because nobody even cares about group play really at all and they can't hack it. Nobody wants a corpse run in a zone where the population is low enough that a rez at ZL is no longer a sure thing. They also won't play the game without their specific desired group composition.

A lot has changed over the past two years and the server really is different. Metagame has totally taken over and any semblance of "classic" community is long gone. Many players now came from other MMOs and many of the awesome "old school" personalities had life catch up with them and got sick of this server over the passing of the last 6 years. DKP, Guild forums, and a parked alt army have all become status quo and most players here now know no different.

Ultimately the server is in the hands of the players and after 4 years of Kunark the server has come to this. There were some institutions that wished to preserve a sense of tight camaraderie, "classic" gameplay without DKP and headsets, a no-nub no-dead-weight and no-zerg policy, and a "fuck the system" attitude which really is necessary to keep the neckbeards in check, but any such movement has been reduced to smoldering embers due to unbelievable arrogance and a variety of personality disorders and pixel lust.

I am free from the shackles of pixel lust and I just want to play and level toons. No politics, no fellatio, no headsets, just good times and having fun. "Fun" to many players here isn't camping good drops on remote named mobs in little-traversed zones, its chatting in Teamspeak, plvling in order to "raid", and waiting in line for pixels. That's what P99 has become. My friendships on this server were formed through adventure, helping firiends directly get gear and XP and growing as a player, not by voicechat and my raid attendance percentage.

Winter has come and P99 is completely different than it once was. It is what it is. The Velious dungeons will remain low population and everyone will keep waiting for batphones to "raid" because that is what the community has become and nobody knows any different. I will continue to play for fun and have adventures, but barking at people in TS and spreadsheet jockeying is not my idea of a "classic" experience at all whatsoever. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

Very insightful, very true post. Another good one to sticky with the caption "why you shouldn't race to 60."

[Swish]

Very insightful, very true post. Another good one to sticky with the caption "why you shouldn't race to 60."

Agree, and you know its a sickness for the server when "casual" guilds are really pushing hard to become more hardcore (talking about the usual suspects here). Family friendly but gdi XXX mob just popped, drop everything and log in...hold the baby if you have to!!

[Synthlol]

Yes

[Waedawen]

I bet 90% of the people 'sick' of Velious haven't even seen a ratman in DN or killed a mermaid in SG. Noobs are scared shitless of this zone, for good reason, because they're frieking noobs, but the p99 echo chamber has effected them so badly they don't even have the thought, "Well gee, if we can't do it with one group, why not try two?!"

Two, three group raids is a complete fucking anomaly to the now-braindead members of p99 because they've just been constantly berated with a cacophony of misinformation and pessimism.

"That class is useless" "You're not useful until you do x" "Z doesn't have a spot in raids" "Why are you going to Q zone? P zone is much better"

The noobs on this server have been fed nothing but absolute fucking garbage information from the self-styled 'min maxers' on the server that couldn't fucking pull their pants up without the help of 50 other raid members. It's fucking insulting. It's insulting to the entire game and insulting to the intelligence of the average person.

Velious zones are empty and people are 'sick of Velious' because they've been brainwashed into this absolutely ludicrous style of thought regarding a fucking video game, and what's more they're so indoctrinated they can not POSSIBLY imagine breaking the mold of what they're doing already.

Just look at the likes of Taken, BDA, etc. Those guilds with literally dozens, if not hundreds, of people and they can't organize an expedition into DN to get a Willsapper? Are you fucking kidding me?

People 'sick of Velious' probably never even experienced it. Because they never even attempted to. People on this server are so narrow minded and unintelligent at this point players like myself look from a distance and just laugh.

100 man raids in NToV? That's your end goal? That's your idea of 'Playing Everquest' and having a powerful character? Fucking laughable.

[Lurikeen]

Solo a Necro to 60 and enjoy the game. It's nice.

[Swish]

I bet 90% of the people 'sick' of Velious haven't even seen a ratman in DN or killed a mermaid in SG. Noobs are scared shitless of this zone, for good reason, because they're frieking noobs, but the p99 echo chamber has effected them so badly they don't even have the thought, "Well gee, if we can't do it with one group, why not try two?!"

Two, three group raids is a complete fucking anomaly to the now-braindead members of p99 because they've just been constantly berated with a cacophony of misinformation and pessimism.

"That class is useless" "You're not useful until you do x" "Z doesn't have a spot in raids" "Why are you going to Q zone? P zone is much better"

The noobs on this server have been fed nothing but absolute fucking garbage information from the self-styled 'min maxers' on the server that couldn't fucking pull their pants up without the help of 50 other raid members. It's fucking insulting. It's insulting to the entire game and insulting to the intelligence of the average person.

Velious zones are empty and people are 'sick of Velious' because they've been brainwashed into this absolutely ludicrous style of thought regarding a fucking video game, and what's more they're so indoctrinated they can not POSSIBLY imagine breaking the mold of what they're doing already.

Just look at the likes of Taken, BDA, etc. Those guilds with literally dozens, if not hundreds, of people and they can't organize an expedition into DN to get a Willsapper? Are you fucking kidding me?

People 'sick of Velious' probably never even experienced it. Because they never even attempted to. People on this server are so narrow minded and unintelligent at this point players like myself look from a distance and just laugh.

100 man raids in NToV? That's your end goal? That's your idea of 'Playing Everquest' and having a powerful character? Fucking laughable.

10/10 rant...all guilds still recruiting. Bring on bigger zergs :o

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

https://i.imgur.com/bHj3M9e.gif

[burkemi5]

Need to keep this thread bumped. Lots of realistic opinions in it.

[Pokesan]

velious is really great, if you stay out of the raid game

actually that's just good advice for the blue server in general. don't do it.

[Decad]

Two, three group raids is a complete fucking anomaly to the now-braindead members of p99 because they've just been constantly berated with a cacophony of misinformation and pessimism.

"That class is useless" "You're not useful until you do x" "Z doesn't have a spot in raids" "Why are you going to Q zone? P zone is much better"

The noobs on this server have been fed nothing but absolute fucking garbage information from the self-styled 'min maxers' on the server that couldn't fucking pull their pants up without the help of 50 other raid members. It's fucking insulting. It's insulting to the entire game and insulting to the intelligence of the average person.

Velious zones are empty and people are 'sick of Velious' because they've been brainwashed into this absolutely ludicrous style of thought regarding a fucking video game, and what's more they're so indoctrinated they can not POSSIBLY imagine breaking the mold of what they're doing already.

THIS.

Even some of the 'min maxers' or think 'I'm great' don't even know Everquest when you talk to them. They likewise have been half fed with wrong information from those who truly knows the game and are keeping their knowledge close to their chest.

It is laughable when there are people that say you can't down talendor or sev with 3-4 groups and you need an army of 40 or more.

And SG is so scary because many enchanters can't even do CC properly and the same enchanters think they are the defacto leaders of the game coz they are "God mode"

[Waedawen]

The best part of this whole debacle is the people like Hokushin and Chest and Detoxx and Zeelott... whoever you want to name.

Deep down, they know exactly what they're doing, and they know they get constantly shit on and made fun of. But you know what?

They really, really don't care. They're that fucking tapped in the head. Old school players look at these utterly hopeless people and scoff.
A
nd they hear that scoff. And it is loud.

[Snagglepuss]

I bet 90% of the people 'sick' of Velious haven't even seen a ratman in DN or killed a mermaid in SG. Noobs are scared shitless of this zone, for good reason, because they're frieking noobs, but the p99 echo chamber has effected them so badly they don't even have the thought, "Well gee, if we can't do it with one group, why not try two?!"

Two, three group raids is a complete fucking anomaly to the now-braindead members of p99 because they've just been constantly berated with a cacophony of misinformation and pessimism.

"That class is useless" "You're not useful until you do x" "Z doesn't have a spot in raids" "Why are you going to Q zone? P zone is much better"

The noobs on this server have been fed nothing but absolute fucking garbage information from the self-styled 'min maxers' on the server that couldn't fucking pull their pants up without the help of 50 other raid members. It's fucking insulting. It's insulting to the entire game and insulting to the intelligence of the average person.

Velious zones are empty and people are 'sick of Velious' because they've been brainwashed into this absolutely ludicrous style of thought regarding a fucking video game, and what's more they're so indoctrinated they can not POSSIBLY imagine breaking the mold of what they're doing already.

Just look at the likes of Taken, BDA, etc. Those guilds with literally dozens, if not hundreds, of people and they can't organize an expedition into DN to get a Willsapper? Are you fucking kidding me?

People 'sick of Velious' probably never even experienced it. Because they never even attempted to. People on this server are so narrow minded and unintelligent at this point players like myself look from a distance and just laugh.

100 man raids in NToV? That's your end goal? That's your idea of 'Playing Everquest' and having a powerful character? Fucking laughable.

A+ callin' out the rat race for what it is.

[Lojik]

One of my favorite moments so far in p99 velious was watching a cleric and enchanter duo seahorses and shit in sg. I asked if I could loot dragonbane herb if it dropped,they said that was np. I watched for about 10 minutes,then they pulled a sea spirit which dropped a wavecrasher. Now I don't know anything about drop rates in sg, and I'm assuming they got really lucky, but it was p awesome to see them take the zone on that most people won't touch with a ten foot pole and get an item that sells for...can you even find one for sale? They weren't from rampage or forsaken, but a guild i had never even heard of (no offense to insomnia.)

Oh, and muito obrigado for the herb fellas

[ArumTP]

I bet 90% of the people 'sick' of Velious haven't even seen a ratman in DN or killed a mermaid in SG. Noobs are scared shitless of this zone, for good reason, because they're frieking noobs, but the p99 echo chamber has effected them so badly they don't even have the thought, "Well gee, if we can't do it with one group, why not try two?!"

Just look at the likes of Taken, BDA, etc. Those guilds with literally dozens, if not hundreds, of people and they can't organize an expedition into DN to get a Willsapper? Are you fucking kidding me?

100 man raids in NToV? That's your end goal? That's your idea of 'Playing Everquest' and having a powerful character? Fucking laughable.

Sirens grotto is garbage because it hasn't reached its final form yet. With improved drop rates on gems and toning down the mobs.

Will sapper isnt a matter of sitting at one spawn for awhile and everyone gets one. 26 placeholders, skips spawn, and i think variance as well. Best bet is to get one on zone repop, it is nearly un-campable.

100 man raids in NTOV that is not even a thing...

[James_Joyce]

Sirens grotto is garbage because it hasn't reached its final form yet. With improved drop rates on gems and toning down the mobs.

Will sapper isnt a matter of sitting at one spawn for awhile and everyone gets one. 26 placeholders, skips spawn, and i think variance as well. Best bet is to get one on zone repop, it is nearly un-campable.

100 man raids in NTOV that is not even a thing...

this guy's username is an anagram for TRUMPA

[ArumTP]

this guy's username is an anagram for TRUMPA

https://i.imgflip.com/n7r5k.jpg

[Pokesan]

https://i.imgflip.com/n7r5k.jpg

http://2static1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Terrible+no+gratitude+whatsoever+just+_32f3f1886b1 6cc472108769fca22236e.jpg

[indiscriminate_hater]

Poke taking command of RnF. You can take my CoF senpai *bow*

[AzzarTheGod]

I bet 90% of the people 'sick' of Velious haven't even seen a ratman in DN or killed a mermaid in SG. Noobs are scared shitless of this zone, for good reason, because they're frieking noobs, but the p99 echo chamber has effected them so badly they don't even have the thought, "Well gee, if we can't do it with one group, why not try two?!"

Two, three group raids is a complete fucking anomaly to the now-braindead members of p99 because they've just been constantly berated with a cacophony of misinformation and pessimism.

"That class is useless" "You're not useful until you do x" "Z doesn't have a spot in raids" "Why are you going to Q zone? P zone is much better"

The noobs on this server have been fed nothing but absolute fucking garbage information from the self-styled 'min maxers' on the server that couldn't fucking pull their pants up without the help of 50 other raid members. It's fucking insulting. It's insulting to the entire game and insulting to the intelligence of the average person.

Velious zones are empty and people are 'sick of Velious' because they've been brainwashed into this absolutely ludicrous style of thought regarding a fucking video game, and what's more they're so indoctrinated they can not POSSIBLY imagine breaking the mold of what they're doing already.

Just look at the likes of Taken, BDA, etc. Those guilds with literally dozens, if not hundreds, of people and they can't organize an expedition into DN to get a Willsapper? Are you fucking kidding me?

People 'sick of Velious' probably never even experienced it. Because they never even attempted to. People on this server are so narrow minded and unintelligent at this point players like myself look from a distance and just laugh.

100 man raids in NToV? That's your end goal? That's your idea of 'Playing Everquest' and having a powerful character? Fucking laughable.

This guy lays pipe. Rock on bruh

[Danth]

With respect to Tuljin's and Waedawen's respective posts:

A related part of the issue I see, in general, is that a significant portion of the player base suffers from appalling laziness. I remember a couple months back I went with a group into Siren's Grotto with a cleric who--by his own admission--was tabbed out reading websites most the time. Guess what? We died and the Cleric actually had the gall to suggest we needed a /defensive Warrior (what a laugh). My same group, with a different (and more attentive) cleric, later went back numerous times without issue. Just yesterday I tried to join a small raid with a casual guild and...nobody seemed awake. Couldn't get a group invite, couldn't even get buffs...so I hammered out and did other stuff. These types of players aren't the sort of people who'll ever have much success pushing the envelope, nor do they have any interest in even trying. Folks can stick around in Karnor or (to a slightly lesser extent) even Sebilis and pretty much just phone it in. Chardok is of course disgustingly easy. Not only are Velious dungeons typically slower experience, but they're also tougher overall. The monsters hit for more than in Kunark, the environments themselves are harder (ever try to get some newbie up through Velketor? ugh!), and so forth. "Path of least resistance" definitely rules the roost here on P1999.

High-end raiding means nothing to me; I've no interest in it. Never have, never will. 75 people standing around flailing on some monster isn't my idea of a good time. Each to their own. Every person standing around in Temple of Veeshan waiting on something to spawn is a person who isn't contesting the content I want to do. Might as well be playing different games entirely.

Danth

[Waedawen]

A related part of the issue I see, in general, is that a significant portion of the player base suffers from appalling laziness.
Just yesterday I tried to join a small raid with a casual guild and...nobody seemed awake. Couldn't get a group invite, couldn't even get buffs...
Not only are Velious dungeons typically slower experience, but they're also tougher overall. "Path of least resistance" definitely rules the roost here on P1999.

Good to see there are some old guard who can see past the bullshit. "Path of least resistance" indeed.

[Cecily]

velious is really great, if you stay out of the raid game

actually that's just good advice for the blue server in general. don't do it.

I played Velious actively for about a month with a maxed out Kunark 60 ranger basically guildless. Had more fun with that than my past year+ of raiding, which of course, was only to have a maxed out Kunark 60 ranger day 1 of Velious to derp around solo with while ditching the awful state P99 raiding devolved into. My cloak has clicky 50% spell haste. I won EQ.

[Swish]

Not sure where the fun is in making sure you hit 1000s of giants to faction up, then repeat with your 23 alts :/

[Monty405]

What bothers me more is everyone going after the same targets due to min/max.

Why dont more people farm the west wing in temple veeshan for example, place is pretty untapped and you wont have to share an armor farming wing with anyone.

[arsenalpow]

What bothers me more is everyone going after the same targets due to min/max.

Why dont more people farm the west wing in temple veeshan for example, place is pretty untapped and you wont have to share an armor farming wing with anyone.

It's the faction grinding. It's a chore :(

[Ella`Ella]

I played Velious actively for about a month with a maxed out Kunark 60 ranger basically guildless. Had more fun with that than my past year+ of raiding, which of course, was only to have a maxed out Kunark 60 ranger day 1 of Velious to derp around solo with while ditching the awful state P99 raiding devolved into. My cloak has clicky 50% spell haste. I won EQ.

But does you face have clicky haste?

[arsenalpow]

But does you face have clicky haste?

That goddamn griffin is soul stealing. Fuck your clicky haste you monster.

[Spyder73]

It's the faction grinding. It's a chore :(

This is truth. CoV faction does seem a lot easier to get than the others due to Kael being more accessible in my opinion...and halls of testing feels better to kill in than just killing giants and dwarves. I think its safe to say (even back in 1999 when we all start originally playing) that we all started playing this game with the goal of killing dragons in mind, and at least in HoT you are killing dragons.

[arsenalpow]

This is truth. CoV faction does seem a lot easier to get than the others due to Kael being more accessible in my opinion...and halls of testing feels better to kill in than just killing giants and dwarves. I think its safe to say (even back in 1999 when we all start originally playing) that we all started playing this game with the goal of killing dragons in mind, and at least in HoT you are killing dragons.

Some of the dragons are still improperly tuned as far as I'm concerned.

Because I was nice I decided to move Sontalak away to help Myu get out of the ToV tunnel, here's what happened:

[Wed Dec 16 18:22:51 2015] Sontalak engages Chest!
[Wed Dec 16 18:22:51 2015] You hit Sontalak for 17 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:22:55 2015] Sontalak begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Dec 16 18:22:55 2015] Your illusion fades. (dat dispell doe)
[Wed Dec 16 18:22:55 2015] The white petals drift away. (dat dispell doe)
[Wed Dec 16 18:22:55 2015] The green petals drift away. (dat dispell doe)
[Wed Dec 16 18:22:55 2015] The black petals drift away. (dat dispell doe)
[Wed Dec 16 18:22:58 2015] You lose control of yourself! (feared at 255MR!!)
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak bashes YOU for 135 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak claws YOU for 219 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak claws YOU for 377 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak claws YOU for 425 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak tries to claw YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak claws YOU for 377 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak claws YOU for 425 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak claws YOU for 314 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] You feel your skin ignite and char. You have taken 702 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak claws YOU for 188 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak executes a FLURRY of attacks on Chest!
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 650 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] You are no longer afraid.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] You have control of yourself again.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak bashes YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] You feel your skin ignite and char. You have taken 702 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] You have been knocked unconscious!
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] You have been slain by Sontalak!
[Wed Dec 16 18:23:06 2015] Sontalak says, 'Ack! I must be careful not to step on that body, it tastes much better when it is still crunchy, not pulped!'

That all happened in the same second, 18:23:06 - shits ridiculous.

[Monty405]

I'm talking about west wing tov for kael faction armor, not farming kael for the inferior thurg armor.

I can see faction being a thing, maybe, if guilds weren't killing whatever target popped in window at the first opportunity regardless of what faction it is on (dain, tormax, yeliank ect).

[ArumTP]

I'm talking about west wing tov for kael faction armor, not farming kael for the inferior thurg armor.

I can see faction being a thing, maybe, if guilds weren't killing whatever target popped in window at the first opportunity regardless of what faction it is on (dain, tormax, yeliank ect).

Except for warriors, SS is always the better armor. Significantly more stat rich armor.

[PlatLordLoLz2.0]

we need luclin.