jet fuel does melt steel beams

[Secrets]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

[captnamazing]

got prof of the prof. i reckon not mr. secrets whose very name reveals there are more secrets to 911 bush fucked the polizia behind the towers

[Rivthis]

Bet that guy can make a sweet battle axe

[quido]

not the same steel

[James_Joyce]

so he lifts the anvil with 1 piece of steel, then heats a different piece. how do we even know that the second piece could lift the anvil if not heated? video is so retarted. Also im pretty sure 9/11 used a lot more steel than that little finger diameter piece.

[milsorgen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

Liberals lie, news at 11!

[indiscriminate_hater]

which rmt scandal does this translate to?

[Xaanka]

jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams, but jet fuel burns hot enough to significantly lower the tensile strength of steel. and the twin towers core structure was designed to maximize office space inside rather than for strength.


http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

good debunk

[Pewp4]

Pewp4

[Lu|zSect]

http://users.skynet.be/bs110078/eagle_cry.jpg

[Filthy_Pagan]

http://i.imgur.com/xlzvHpc.jpg

[Thomas Paine]

Curiosity killed the bureaucrat.

[iruinedyourday]

Find a job

[iruinedyourday]

Fuck you.

Watch the video

[indiscriminate_hater]

have people conveniently ignored the fact that heat doesn't dissipate all that fast in a building? lots of energy in minus little bit of energy out = higher temperature than burning point of jet fuel

[Xaanka]

have people conveniently ignored the fact that heat doesn't dissipate all that fast in a building? lots of energy in minus little bit of energy out = higher temperature than burning point of jet fuel

there were also other things burning inside the towers than jet fuel. jet fuel burns at 1500*F and recorded temps were over 1800*F in the wtc fires.

https://holocausthistorychannel.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/screenshot-10.png

doesnt take a rocket surgeon

[Xaanka]

that's the thing about conspiracy theories, they typically don't stand up to even the most basic levels of scrutiny. cum

[James_Joyce]

"jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" is prolly a slogan karl rove thought up anyway

[jcr4990]

There's not a sufficient word in the english language to describe the level of stupidity required to be a 9/11 truther

[Pokesan]

There's not a sufficient word in the english language to describe the level of stupidity required to be a 9/11 truther

Is BDA not in the dictionary?

[Madbad]

BUT, WHAT ABOUT NANO-THERMITE!

[iruinedyourday]

Is BDA not in the dictionary?

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xq_Ze-q2--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_north,h_358,q_80,w_636/198qj0pvzn5wqgif.gif

[Kyff]

As someone has already pointed out apllying jet fuel to steel structures doesn't do any harm. However, filling a steel structure up with jet fuel and then setting it ablaze will certainly melt the steel.

[AzzarTheGod]

As someone has already pointed out apllying jet fuel to steel structures doesn't do any harm. However, filling a steel structure up with jet fuel and then setting it ablaze will certainly melt the steel.

lol it wont cause the superstructure to rhythmically implode a few synchronized floors at a time.

Talk to the eyewitnesses who escaped the floor that the plane actually crashed into, plenty of survivors interviewed and verified who worked on those floors who escaped and theres no evidence the structure was compromised.

No engineer will agree with synchronized floor collapse either buddy. the building would fall to one side or the other, not fall straight down...

Try again.

[AzzarTheGod]

There's not a sufficient word in the english language to describe the level of stupidity required to be a 9/11 truther

lol what do you want pal, I didn't create the laws of physics

[Swish]

lol it wont cause the superstructure to rhythmically implode a few synchronized floors at a time.

Talk to the eyewitnesses who escaped the floor that the plane actually crashed into, plenty of survivors interviewed and verified who worked on those floors who escaped and theres no evidence the structure was compromised.

No engineer will agree with synchronized floor collapse either buddy. the building would fall to one side or the other, not fall straight down...

Try again.

Also the lead architect for the towers disappeared soon after. Probably a coincidence :rolleyes:

[Filthy_Pagan]

there were also other things burning inside the towers than jet fuel. jet fuel burns at 1500*F and recorded temps were over 1800*F in the wtc fires.

https://holocausthistorychannel.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/screenshot-10.png

doesnt take a rocket surgeon

You're absolutely right.

but the demo charges certainly helped bring the towers down. They were placed in the building when the 'elevators needed maintenance' and there was a crew of 'technicians' there just a few months prior FOR 6 MONTHS.

Also, tower 7. Lets not forget tower 7. It magically fell while everyone was looking up. Didn't even catch shrapnel from the other ones.

[Filthy_Pagan]

And larry silverstein bought the towers right before it happened and took out something like a 3.5 BILLION insurance policy on them that covered 'terrorist attacks' specifically.

riddle me that one, too.

[-TK-]

Also the lead architect for the towers disappeared soon after. Probably a coincidence :rolleyes:

Conspiracy or not, I'd disappear too if I was constantly being harassed by every wanna-be conspiracy theorist looking to gain some e-fame. Most likely just simple cause and effect on that one. Not everyone is looking for that kind of attention.

[maskedmelon]

No engineer will agree with synchronized floor collapse either buddy. the building would fall to one side or the other, not fall straight down...



This is why I've remained skeptical of the official narrative. The amount of logistical planning and liability insurance that goes into bringing down a high rise is staggering. To have a random application of applied force achieve the same results is almost beyond belief, but not entirely.

[iruinedyourday]

I voted for bush u tard.

Its a quote from the video fffffffff

[AzzarTheGod]

This is why I've remained skeptical of the official narrative. The amount of logistical planning and liability insurance that goes into bringing down a high rise is staggering. To have a random application of applied force achieve the same results is almost beyond belief, but not entirely.


The official narrative went to shit when Fox News had eye witnesses from the floor that was struck by the plane (who escaped) describe the entire scene and one thing they explicitly stated is that the building began to lurch to one side before they were able to get down to the lower floors.

It was over 20 minutes later, building somehow does not continue to lurch, yet synchronized collapses floor by floor.

Not impossible, sure. But highly unlikely considering the initial eye witnesses had the buildings momentum lurching immediately to one side, it would have not fallen straight down had the cause of this natural momentum continued, which it did not.

No conclusion can be drawn, but being a 9/11 skeptic is healthy and demonstrates a fully functioning brain that is examining all the facts.

[Xaanka]

do u nerds even read?

lol it wont cause the superstructure to rhythmically implode a few synchronized floors at a time.

Talk to the eyewitnesses who escaped the floor that the plane actually crashed into, plenty of survivors interviewed and verified who worked on those floors who escaped and theres no evidence the structure was compromised.

No engineer will agree with synchronized floor collapse either buddy. the building would fall to one side or the other, not fall straight down...

Try again.

Following up on a May 2002 preliminary report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), a major study will be released in spring 2005 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a branch of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST shared its initial findings with PM and made its lead researcher available to our team of reporters.

The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower's core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel—and fiery destruction throughout the building. "It's very hard to document where the fuel went," says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, "but if it's atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it'll go off."

Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that "some elevators slammed right down" to the ground floor. "The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died," says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary "9/11," by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film.

You're absolutely right.

but the demo charges certainly helped bring the towers down. They were placed in the building when the 'elevators needed maintenance' and there was a crew of 'technicians' there just a few months prior FOR 6 MONTHS.

Also, tower 7. Lets not forget tower 7. It magically fell while everyone was looking up. Didn't even catch shrapnel from the other ones.

Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom—approximately 10 stories—about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors—along with the building's unusual construction—were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

[iruinedyourday]

uh I was inside the two towers when they fell.. It was xorgalix that had a contract with the bush family and if you re arange the letters in the world xorgalixbush it spells two towers was a scam in xorgalixian so duh

[AzzarTheGod]

do u nerds even read?




lol this is just as bad as conspiracy theorycrafting...

Fact is eye witnesses in the real world on the floor that was struck had the building lurching to one side 3-5 minutes after contact...they said the lurching was marked, not just a little tilt, and it was scary. They used the word "entire building", meaning not just a floor was tilted, the entire superstructure was leaning like the french tower.

Building did not continue its lurching momentum, building did not fall to one side or the other a half hour later. This is going to raise some eyebrows, and no theorycrafting physics will be able to stop them from being raised.

Real world physics debunks much of the theorycrafting you posted. No rocket analysis necessary. "Objects in motion tend to stay in motion". Force on one side should progress and continue.

There should have been collateral damage from the lurching tilt if it was a natural fall. The only explanation is the superstructure was compromised, and flames in an elevator aren't gonna cut it pal theres not enough fuel in the world to fill up the entire building shaft with...also, how about explaining why the tilt didn't progress/continue?

Melt myth busted.

[azeth]

that's the thing about conspiracy theories, they typically don't stand up to even the most basic levels of scrutiny. cum

reminds me of Deflategate

on one side you have every person on earth who understood 10th grade physics

then on the other you have failed abortions

[AzzarTheGod]

on one side you have every person on earth who understood 10th grade physics


When doing my physics analysis I prefer to consider the word of eye witnesses who have been vetted by a major news network and can vividly and accurately describe the physics phenomenon happening right underneath their feet in detail.

Not some report by some guy in an armchair who ran some numbers with his theorycrafting buddies at some University. WHO WASN'T EVEN THERE.

[Pokesan]

January 18, 2015

The day every man in Boston became a physicist.

[Pokesan]

like are you actually retarded enough to nitpick about the ideal gas law when there's texts of the guy calling himself 'THE DEFLATOR'

massachusetts delenda est

[azeth]

like are you actually retarded enough to nitpick about the ideal gas law when there's texts of the guy calling himself 'THE DEFLATOR'

massachusetts delenda est

just so weird how 10/12 balls were "under inflated" by an amount exactly explained by a universally agreed upon law.

MAN

just so weird

[Pokesan]

if you're referring to the AEI report I'm laughing

what of the texts? what of brady campaigning for team control of balls? what of the strangely lucky fumble rate the patriots exhibited subsequent to the rule change?

[azeth]

if you're referring to the AEI report I'm laughing

what of the texts? what of brady campaigning for team control of balls? what of the strangely lucky fumble rate the patriots exhibited subsequent to the rule change?

god just so strange how physics actually prove that none of the balls were even under inflated.

BOY ITS JUST SO ODD

[Pokesan]

doubling down on the whole smug dickhead pats fan thing?

I too apply textbook formulas to situations with a thousand more variables.

underinflated by measurement, death to the patriots

[Madbad]

SHADOW GOVERNMENTS, AND DEFLATED BALLS, WAKE UP SHEEPLE.

[AzzarTheGod]

what of the texts? what of brady campaigning for team control of balls? what of the strangely lucky fumble rate the patriots exhibited subsequent to the rule change?

[azeth]

what of the texts? what of brady campaigning for team control of balls? what of the strangely lucky fumble rate the patriots exhibited subsequent to the rule change?

Texts - The refs overinflated the Pats balls to 16 psi in a Jets game in 2013. Since then McNally clearly is checking balls before bringing them to the field (illegal but not "deflating")

Brady campaign - Funny spin on how it was actually Manning & Brady. You're a funny woman though.

Fumble rate - The patriots don't hand off as much. Bill Belichick cuts guys who fumble regardless of their talent. The patriots had very few running backs, that position was not a revolving door. Benjarvus Green-Ellis is the RB most responsible for those fumble stats. It's not like they had 15 running backs and each of them never fumbled. They predominantly had one guy, who yes indeed never fumbled.

[azeth]

The funniest part is that not only were the balls actually not underinflated to begin with (proven, literally by the Wells Report with its listing of their PSI), but the kicker -

Sportscience (ESPN programming) ran a segment, pulled immediately, that said an underinflated ball not only provides near 0 difference in gripping, but may actually worsen the QBs accuracy.

[Pokesan]

and destroying the cell phone?

you must face facts. the patriots are a wicked organization and tom brady is an evil man.
I pray you somehow find the meaning of justice and switch to a better team.

[Filthy_Pagan]

When doing my physics analysis I prefer to consider the word of eye witnesses

Who were in shock and were under tremendous stress and a cocktail of endorphins that could send a walrus to the moon.

who have been vetted by a major news network

Who is controlled by the government and can't even get the facts straight in any other situation.



Not some report by some guy in an armchair who ran some numbers with his theorycrafting buddies at some University. WHO WASN'T EVEN THERE.

The words you're looking for is "Structural engineers", "demolitions experts", "pilots", and "Physicists", because those are the people who are validating what we're saying about 9/11 being an orchestrated attack to legitimize invasion of Afghanistan and every other bullshit operation we've carried out since. All you have to do is mention the scary terrorists and the majority of America is going to drop their big gulps and insulin pumps and rally behind whatever the government wants to do.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Maybe they should have made the towers out of that "terrorist's" passport that miraculously survived a plane crash, an explosion that would have made michael moore weep proudly, and an inferno that was allegedly strong enough to bring towers down in a demolition style internal collapse.

[jcr4990]

http://www.ignitedquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Quotes_by_Winston_churchill%20(9).jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

Maybe they should have made the towers out of that "terrorist's" passport that miraculously survived a plane crash, an explosion that would have made michael moore weep proudly, and an inferno that was allegedly strong enough to bring towers down in a demolition style internal collapse.

This inferno was so precise I want to hire it to do all of my wedding planning with my future wife. How do I get in touch?

Studying the passport material at MIT would also be helpful maybe we can unearth a new fabric discovery.

[James_Joyce]

You know, I was always under the impression that the collapse cascade starts at the top with a tilt (watch the video, the top floors pour off at an angle like sand) just as Azzar suggests should be the case. At the point that the top floors start sloughing off onto those below, the lower floors' structure is exposed to a vast amount of mass bearing down, becomes compromised and the whole thing starts to go straight down at nearly free fall speed. Once the floors directly affected by the plane allow for any free fall of the structure above, it's like dropping an anvil on something.

The idea that the structure would cartoonishly bend in half like it's one big steel rod being melted, or tip over like a drunkard, seems a little far fetched to me when the force of gravity is the only thing in effect here and it pulls down.

Personally I'm of the opinion that all specific arguments about 9/11 being actuated by something other than planes are distractions from the indisputable facts that Western and Israeli intelligence dropped the ball, intentionally or not, on stopping the attack and then callously exploited the event to advance various interests that are contrary to the will of the American public.

It's like trying to prove Kennedy was shot from the grassy knoll. You're better off focusing on motive, who benefitted, and other indisputable facts than miring yourself in "I know exactly what it would look like if this unprecedented plane crash into a vast tower resulting in a collapse really happened, and it wouldn't look like this." Whether or not the argument is plausible (and I think it is fwiw), when you start to claim some kind of surety as to how the collapse should have gone down skeptical people automatically start tuning you out, and rightly so. The bias is evident.

[AzzarTheGod]

Personally I'm of the opinion that all specific arguments about 9/11 being actuated by something other than planes are distractions from the indisputable facts that Western and Israeli intelligence dropped the ball, intentionally or not, on stopping the attack and then callously exploited the event to advance various interests that are contrary to the will of the American public.

It's like trying to prove Kennedy was shot from the grassy knoll. You're better off focusing on motive, who benefitted, and other indisputable facts than miring yourself in "I know exactly what it would look like if this unprecedented plane crash into a vast tower resulting in a collapse really happened, and it wouldn't look like this." Whether or not the argument is plausible (and I think it is fwiw), when you start to claim some kind of surety as to how the collapse should have gone down skeptical people automatically start tuning you out, and rightly so. The bias is evident.

Perfect wrap up to this thread. Pleb brains aren't ready to focus on what matters because its too frustrating. Good nights sleep is hard for them to come by when they start asking real questions.

Like every corrupt detective and FBI agent story that has come out, the supervisor in charge of the corrupt agent says the exact same thing every time: "Nobody had the stomach to look and see what he might be into."

Real shit dawg.

[indiscriminate_hater]

this may be first RnF post where bush/towers is outranked by all other options

[Filthy_Pagan]

This inferno was so precise I want to hire it to do all of my wedding planning with my future wife. How do I get in touch?

Studying the passport material at MIT would also be helpful maybe we can unearth a new fabric discovery.

Try 1 (703) 482-0623. If you don't get it there, try +972 3-519-7475