What sort of assault rifle should I purchase?

[Filthy_Pagan]

Having a hard time deciding what to get to support the second amendment and my freedom as an american.

I'm leaning towards an AK-47 because they're reliable and fire large caliber rounds that will go through cinder block without too much trouble. They aren't quite as accurate as m4s, but m4s fire shitty little rounds that are barely larger than a .22lr. Galils are right out as I refuse to support zionism. Maybe a HK33A2? Help me decide how to support the constitution.


Serious replies only, please

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[Blitzers]

Get a Sig M4, most accurate AR on the market. AK 47's are for haji's

[Blitzers]

Or a Remington R25, fires a 308 which is nice but expensive

[Alenon]

Get an awp, less skill involved, always one shot kill

[Filthy_Pagan]

Get a Sig M4, most accurate AR on the market. AK 47's are for haji's

I don't need something terribly accurate. When society collapses I don't see myself having to snipe, as I'm in an urban environment. Plus .223 was designed to wound, not kill. A 7.62 is accurate enough and is much larger round. Any suggestions that aren't .223/ 5.56?

[Kowalski]

You haven't mentioned your intention or preference. Will you be distance targeting(sniping), CQB, suppression, do you prefer NATO etc.?

If you want long range NATO accuracy then I'd recommend taking a look at M1A's(M14s) or even AR10's if you'd rather have that layout. The 7.62mm NATO is a very accurate and high velocity round that has very good flight characteristics. If you are looking for something less expensive (weapons wise) then I'd go with the Remington 770 7mm mag as the weapon/round is accurate and the round doesn't drop off like the 30.06 at longer ranges.

If you are going for CQB(close quarters combat) style weapon then I'd go M4(5.56mm NATO) because they are very accurate lightweight platforms without high penetrating capability such as your 7.62mm.

If you would rather have the Kalashnikovs then I'd go with Russian over Chinese or Czechoslovakian. Avoid getting a used one unless you can test fire many rounds through it first.

Just some thoughts as it really depends on what you intend to do with the weapon. Also, whatever you decide, please ensure it is done legally and safely.

Happy hunting ;)

P.S. An accurate weapon is a deadly weapon

[ronasch]

I don't need something terribly accurate. When society collapses I don't see myself having to snipe, as I'm in an urban environment. Plus .223 was designed to wound, not kill. A 7.62 is accurate enough and is much larger round. Any suggestions that aren't .223/ 5.56?

I also suggested the R25 .308 caliber. If your on a video game msg board asking for firearm advice you probably shouldn't own a firearm. Just saying

[Filthy_Pagan]

I also suggested the R25 .308 caliber. If your on a video game msg board asking for firearm advice you probably shouldn't own a firearm. Just saying

There are people from all walks of life and with a veritable cornucopia of hobbies and knowledge here. Are you saying I shouldn't take your advice because you're on an elf forum?

[ronasch]

There are people from all walks of life and with a veritable cornucopia of hobbies and knowledge here. Are you saying I shouldn't take your advice because you're on an elf forum?

I'm saying you would probably get more accurate info on say an NRA msg board. I am a member of the NRA but I don't claim to be an expert on firearms

[Kyff]

Having a hard time deciding what to get to support the second amendment and my freedom...

I see you are a staunch defender of civil rights and freedom.

So I suppose you are also regularly burning flags to support the first amendment and your freedom? If not I would volunteer to do this for you.

[Baler]

If there was no humans the guns could fight it out among themselves without humans getting hurt.

Until then however, people will always manipulate guns into hurting other people. I for one want to be able to have the same insurance as those people.

[sOurDieSel]

If you don't want an AR15 because you think the .223/5.56 is weak then go with an AR10 which is 7.62/.308.

[Kerwin]

go for the AR 15, owning both ak and AR i love my AR way more, though i will say my AR jams alot more than my AK but thats the only flaw

[Filthy_Pagan]

I see you are a staunch defender of civil rights and freedom.

So I suppose you are also regularly burning flags to support the first amendment and your freedom? If not I would volunteer to do this for you.

Funny enough, burning a flag is the proper way to dispose of an american flag respectfully.

[Froakula]

Skar 17S 308 is handy

[Zade]

I don't need something terribly accurate. When society collapses I don't see myself having to snipe, as I'm in an urban environment. Plus .223 was designed to wound, not kill. A 7.62 is accurate enough and is much larger round. Any suggestions that aren't .223/ 5.56?


its been mentioned a few times, but take a look at the AR10/15 platforms. I got plenty of trigger time on both and prefer either over AKs.

also, it truly depends on your shooting style, your proficiency, your preferences. There's never going to be a "perfect gun" that you can buy. But, there is a "perfect gun for YOU" that you can find. find a pal who has different guns, pay for the rounds and have them take you to the range. see what you like.

Here's a decent comparison from the Ar15 community in comparsion of AK47s to AR10s.

1) reliability - Draw
2) accuracy - AR10
3) lethality - AR10
4) customization - Draw
5) ammo availability / compatibility - Draw
6) parts availability - AK
7) portability - Draw
8) recoil - Draw
9) flash/sound suppression -Draw

[AzzarTheGod]

In terms of reliability, most AK's probably can't even do this well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCBcV2Nb2Wo


AR-15 is the only rifle you will ever need. I suggest getting in addition to a 5.56 upper a backup .22 upper for cheap plinking. Don't be too cheap, a good DDM4 is about 1500$. It will never jam (which you can clear in half a second with proper training anyway).


that lower/upper receiver attachment right there can definitely take a serious beating. Ran it over, detonated it at ground zero, threw it out of a helicopter. An armalite would be ruined.

AK-47 would hold up but I don't know how well. DDM4 is definitely on my interested list.

How is the ammo market right now on 7.62? 5.56 had some scarce times a few years back.

[Baler]

AK 'Meltdown' video. good stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwSJiAwoMpY
(old ak meltdown video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlL-uRkJ0yA)

AR-15 'Meltdown' Video. again good stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw

[James_Joyce]

Top quality thread, I would offer advice but I'm more of the fertilizer truck bomb type of 2nd amendment supporter.

[Daywolf]

I don't need something terribly accurate. When society collapses I don't see myself having to snipe, as I'm in an urban environment. Plus .223 was designed to wound, not kill. A 7.62 is accurate enough and is much larger round. Any suggestions that aren't .223/ 5.56?
They do, they suck, I had one years ago. You cant hit the side of a barn with them, unless full auto. Urban? imo tactical shotgun hands down. Otherwise, AR15.

[traf]

First If you think 5.56 suck you have never been shot by one. The Galil you like is also 5.56. Now lets talk sense if you are worried about SHTF think like this your not gonna find allot of ammo around for AK after things go sidewayz. But all police federal and us military use 5.56 and 7.62. So there never will be a shortage EVER! Now as for the best rifle Hands down M14 / M1A, Socom,Scout squad or just stander M1A.

[Daywolf]

First If you think 5.56 suck you have never been shot by one. The Galil you like is also 5.56. Now lets talk sense if you are worried about SHTF think like this your not gonna find allot of ammo around for AK after things go sidewayz. But all police federal and us military use 5.56 and 7.62. So there never will be a shortage EVER! Now as for the best rifle Hands down M14 / M1A, Socom,Scout squad or just stander M1A.

The M1A is nice, especially since I really like the M1 Garand. .308 is stopping power, and an excellent deer hunting rifle. But still, in an urban setting, I choose a shotgun. As far as for ammo, you can make shotgun shells yourself. And there are different types of ammo you can use, even slugs if you have a rifle bored shotgun, which don't just put holes in things but make them shatter/pop.

[AzzarTheGod]

Top quality thread, I would offer advice but I'm more of the fertilizer truck bomb type of 2nd amendment supporter.

Reported.

[Zade]

imo tactical shotgun hands down. Otherwise, AR15.
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i agree. every arsenal should have a decent shotty. in certain situations, i prefer my modded saiga 12 over any SAR. mostly for home protection and zombie hordes. alternating buck and slug shots in the 20 rd drum. if you know a smithy whose shady you can have them covert it to full auto but dont get caught with it :)

[Guttzs]

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i agree. every arsenal should have a decent shotty. in certain situations, i prefer my modded saiga 12 over any SAR. mostly for home protection and zombie hordes. alternating buck and slug shots in the 20 rd drum. if you know a smithy whose shady you can have them covert it to full auto but dont get caught with it :)

Just keep drum at buck and do slugs in a 5 rd mag friend.

[Psionide]

If you really want the AK-47 go with the Saiga model. They are still manufactured under Mikhail Kalishnikov.

[Daywolf]

i agree. every arsenal should have a decent shotty. in certain situations, i prefer my modded saiga 12 over any SAR. mostly for home protection and zombie hordes. alternating buck and slug shots in the 20 rd drum. if you know a smithy whose shady you can have them covert it to full auto but dont get caught with it :) :D
About full-auto, that just depends where you live (regarding the US). Less than 10 states make it incredibly hard to own a full-auto (e.g California). Some states you can, but licensing can be expensive. And then other states, it's not a problem (e.g. Idaho). Hell, in CA it's a 10yr wait just to get a concealed carry permit :mad:
Well not for criminals.. But for life-long law abiding citizens in good standing and not on some anti-psychotic drug or anti-depressant, yeah... we're not the ones making the horrific news headlines. Oh wait... what was I saying...

Oh yeah, anyhoot, imo full-auto is overkill anyway, especially in say a urban setting, I recommend burst fire which is usually 3 round bursts on the switch. Unless you are using a tripod/stand or something, otherwise on those high caliber rifles the accuracy is just outlandish. In an urban setting, full-auto I just wouldn't use an assault rifle, but maybe a SMG if I needed full-auto (likely not). Rifles are about range, and urban is most often in-your-face near point blank if you defend properly. But sure you can shoot through walls, but that's not really smart shooting, more a desperate situation that with planning can be avoided.

Anyone buying their first weapon, I seriously recommend training. Most ranges have training programs, and training is not just how to shoot but also how to think. Be it hunting and/or defense, one can't just pick up a firearm with little to no training and expect to have a good outcome.

[Haystacks]

What's the difference between an assault rifle and a regular rifle?

[Pokesan]

i need a gun to murder my wife's bull

i am every poster ITT

[Daywolf]

What's the difference between an assault rifle and a regular rifle?
Really not a whole lot in most states since assault rifles are really meant to have semi-auto / burst / full-auto settings by design, but are neutered to comply with state and/or federal laws. But, they also have a complement of attachments and stuff designed to fit the weapons (e.g bayonets, grenade launchers :D , folding or telescopic stock etc etc etc). But imo much of the difference is just cosmetic when you get down to it.

[Filthy_Pagan]

What's the difference between an assault rifle and a regular rifle?

The technical definition is anything thats mag fed and has a pistol grip. As far as the media and politicians are concerned, it's any scary black gun with rails on it.

Here's an easy example to digest:

This is a hot dog. Plenty of people have choked on them. Politicians and libtards are 100% ok with this:
http://images.wisegeek.com/hot-dog-with-mustard.jpg

This is an assault hot dog. It's big and scary, and needs to be banned because someone choked on one once:
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Tactical-Operator-Hot-Dog.jpg

[maerilith]

Don't buy anything nato. Shit breaks and needs constant maintence and cleaning.

FYI an assault rifle is meant for closer quarters rather than 300 yrd sniping. A good assault rifle will put a lot of rounds down range 100yrds centermass without overheating or jamming. And be able to be used effectively to clear a room from an entry point with a rapid rate of fire.

[AzzarTheGod]

Pretty much what Pagan said.

However, the definition that the NRA uses is anything that is select-fire is an assault rifle. I believe it is not an official NRA position, but the NRA members are unofficially encouraged to shout back at anyone who calls their rifle "assault" by saying "Its not select-fire, its not an assault rifle idiot".

Select-fire = assault rifle is the general agreement among the gun community.

[maerilith]

Uzi's are better if you want to kill an entire crowd full of people. Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M60_machine_gun

Or

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMI_Tavor_TAR-21

If you want Nato

Just stay away from the M4 and M16

I didn't say kalishnikov cause thats fscking obvious.

I think it's kind of boring that one of these psycho's hasn't mounted a drum or belt fed machine gun to a vehicle and pulled up to a concert full of teenieboppers yet. That would be the obvious way to go to be an asshole like lulz IRL.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Uzi's are better if you want to kill an entire crowd full of people. Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M60_machine_gun

Or

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMI_Tavor_TAR-21

If you want Nato

Just stay away from the M4 and M16

I didn't say kalishnikov cause thats fscking obvious.

I think it's kind of boring that one of these psycho's hasn't mounted a drum or belt fed machine gun to a vehicle and pulled up to a concert full of teenieboppers yet. That would be the obvious way to go to be an asshole like lulz IRL.

I think you should probably just stop talking until you at least hold a gun IRL.

If you think an Uzi is anything but an israeli piece of shit that jams at least once every mag, you shouldn't even be allowed near guns.

And where is your hostility towards teenie boppers coming from? Were your broad shoulders and wispy mustache telling of your born gender when you showed up at Nsync concerts in a miniskirt?

[Wipe it Clean]

I think you should probably just stop talking until you at least hold a gun IRL.

If you think an Uzi is anything but an israeli piece of shit that jams at least once every mag, you shouldn't even be allowed near guns.

And where is your hostility towards teenie boppers coming from? Were your broad shoulders and wispy mustache telling of your born gender when you showed up at Nsync concerts in a miniskirt?

More like little boy baby jocks lol.

Dude, u can carry like 2 uzi's and throw them away. Their cheap and a dime a dozen. Their recoil is manageable and u can just spray and pray at close range and hit lots of targets. Thier also lite and easy to conceal. Although two handgrenades would probably be just as effective.

I mean, were getting into IED territory with this thread.

Which is what I'm trying to point out about assault rifles. Civies don't need to worry about MAXIMUM carnage and high powered cartridges.

I know my guns. Everyones got their own pereferences. If u don't want that shit to break, go with a russian POS

[barrettdc1]

i'm an undercover cia agent you've all been reported to the fbi you're all going to jail you bunch of terrorists.

[Filthy_Pagan]

you bunch of terrorists.

Nice try, but I'm not Israeli.