New player but confused

[Panik]

Love this game its waaay more challenging than the rest of the garbage out there BUT...

It seems you have to start a mage to make any money to be able to play another class..

Example I started a Monk hes lvl 8 but I cant even kill a even con mob with out dying and people tell me its due to my gear. SO

Is the best thing to start a mage and make money then gear my Monk?

Thanks for the advise in advance.

[azeth]

yea you're exactly right, you really can't effectively solo as a melee class (bard discluded). that being said, if you're a min'maxer by nature consider the Mage as your money maker and forego the journey on the monk.

[Panik]

Thanks for the tip..So what is the best mage to do this with? Im assuming a pet class?

[Midnight]

Just group it up...if you really enjoy playing monk hit EC and find you an orc group...might not be a bad idea to start an alt though, that can solo for when you absolutely cannot find a group :)

[Midnight]

Thanks for the tip..So what is the best mage to do this with? Im assuming a pet class?

Magician or Necromancer seem to be the consensus...possibly also druid

[azeth]

Thanks for the tip..So what is the best mage to do this with? Im assuming a pet class?

Just wondering, is this your first trip around EQ? I think maybe you're saying "mage" in reference to cloth-casters (enc wiz mage nec). I literally mean a Magician though, or Necromancer. Yes, both have pets.

Though, understand if this actually is your first time with EQ you really ought to play what is most fun for you, and allow yourself to be a noob for a bit.

[utenan]

melees have a hard time soloing, gear or no gear. At level 8 your are going to miss a lot due to low weapon skills and such, so fights can be pretty random, then if you do win, you will have a lot of down time. So, if you like the monk class, stick with it and figure out how to get groups a lot, or make a new class that can solo decent/well (any caster). Whenever I make a class to just " make money " in a game, I always end up just playing that class : D Not a bad thing, I guess.

[Chanus]

Thanks for the tip..So what is the best mage to do this with? Im assuming a pet class?

A 'mage' as people here will use the term refers to the Magician class, which is a pet class.

[Panik]

Yeah first time playing EQ played EQ2 but it bores me to death..

Im thinking I might stay w/ my Monk and when I cant find a grp work on a money making alt.

Thanks for all the advise all.

[azeth]

Yeah first time playing EQ played EQ2 but it bores me to death..

Im thinking I might stay w/ my Monk and when I cant find a grp work on a money making alt.

Thanks for all the advise all.

good, i think Monk 1-50 might be the most rewarding of experiences. You're so handicapped the entire time, but boy when you start getting up there in levels you start kicking some f'kn ass.

you start kicking some f'kn ass.

literally. Though... Kunark is due soon (who knows..) and with it comes the premier of the Iksars, who make excellent monks.

[Engraverwilliam]

good, i think Monk 1-50 might be the most rewarding of experiences. You're so handicapped the entire time, but boy when you start getting up there in levels you start kicking some f'kn ass.

QFT!!

It's tough soloing at lower levels. Find someplace with lots of blues and farm the crap out of them. Dont worry bout gear so much . The gear will come with the levels. Group as much as you can but don't worry about slow soloing. maybe befriend a Pocket-Healer and form a regular Duo group.

GF and I sport the Warrior/Cleric combo and its fun as hell!.
Just relax and have fun and don't feel pressured into getting rich fast.

[Torqumada286]

Casters have built in money making abilities with their spells. They can make money through buffing and healing that melee based characters can't. That's just the way the game world is.

Torqumada

[Maneuk]

I dont think so, get a good group that is sympathetic and you will get the drops apropriate to you, and when I start tailoring up- which will be SOOOO much easier without a trivial loot code (which was originally designed I think to prevent the over camping and free up content to those higher but lower players- lol)
I will find you out, and give you a nice set of Wu's once I get there in tailoring- which may be a while so don't get discouraged. I'll even make change for you if you want so you are not loaded down with gold, silver and copper, I will round up :)

I did it all the time on Firiona Vie

Have packs full of Wu's armor sets and dash to freeport looking for the nearest monk and give it. One fellow called in his friend and I waited while he zoned, to give him a full set, too.

sometimes I will quest stuff so I can give it, there is a nice breastplate questn in Odus, has some saves to it for warrior types. I may just do it and run to ecommons *pant* from Qeynos *pant-pant* see who I can give it to. maybe a peace keepers staff, too.

lets see who is around on saturday afternoon

Maybe can get together with engraverwilliam: monk, cleric, mage, warrior... we could maybe go deep in befallen! lol

[hedbonker]

Pretty much soloed my only char here to 44 on P1999 - A cleric. No twinking. However at 44->50 it will be groups only I suspect...

[Dantes]

Starting a solo mage to fund another character is the easy way out. It's not the only way. If you group with lots of folks and make friends, you'll get gear. It's not impossible, just challenging.

There's not much point in soloing as a monk anyway, the monk is instrumental to groups.

[sox7d]

if you want to solo, i suggest ANY OTHER MMORPG (sans 11)

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

If you're having issues with coin leveling a monk untwinked, I soloed a monk on live in 99 to level 50, and one here as well. Hit me up in game with any questions, be on Shaere or Machin probably.

It is most assuredly easier on a pet class to make money, but as a pet class leveling with no help, most of it goes to spells, so you really aren't rich as you start to level. IN fact you're dirt poor for a while.. heh

[Estu]

If you're having issues with coin leveling a monk untwinked, I soloed a monk on live in 99 to level 50, and one here as well. Hit me up in game with any questions, be on Shaere or Machin probably.

It is most assuredly easier on a pet class to make money, but as a pet class leveling with no help, most of it goes to spells, so you really aren't rich as you start to level. IN fact you're dirt poor for a while.. heh

If you're soloing as a monk, though, you're presumably neglecting to take a lot of loot that you might pick up as another class, so I'd be somewhat skeptical that you'll get more money in the end unless you're sporting some 100% WR bags or letting your AC go down the toilet.

[Darklake]

At level 8, naked with nothing more than a cracked staff (better than your fists until level 10) I could handle even cons, so I'm guessing you're carrying your worldly goods with you and are ignoring keeping your weight under 15.

Really, all a monk needs at that level is food, water, bandages and shurikens.

[Lagaidh]

Another alternative to getting geared is by being a trader. Now, being a trader is a complete bore to some folks, and I understand their perspective.

My main is a PAL. Hell, so is my trader, heh. I've geared me and my wife's toon (a DRU) by simply trading in the EC tunnel.

It started slowly. I scraped up the plat to buy a Bloodstained Mantle for about 50p. I sold that one for 125p. I watch the trade window for a gut feeling on the average price for an item. Try to buy below that price, and sell for at or slightly above that average.

We are L30, started in August. I have all my class specific armor that I want (BP, Gaunts, Boots, Legs, Vambraces), except for bracers (I'm just not seeing those for sale! Not once!) a Mithril Two Handed Sword, Diamondine Earrings, Hooded Black Cloak, Thick Banded Belt, the 5AC 55HP rings. I'd even managed to snag a FBSS for 11562 plat but couldn't pass up a straight trade for a Pearl Kedge Totem for my wife.

I'm still wearing a small bronze mask, but hey... I'll get something good.

I know many hate trading, but I have ALWAYS loved it. I'm well geared for L30, and my wife's DRU is already over 200 wis! The only thing we actively camped for was the +6 wis mace in Kithicor (Thanks Heddy, Glaani, Ellipsis et. al.)

I only mention this as an alternative to making a caster alt to just burn for money. The time spent may roughly equal out. I love the thrill of a deal, others want to be actively hunting for money.

I loved this part of live and p99. Kythe (my wife) still calls it a Lag trade when I score a deal in real life.

[Panik]

Well thanks all for all the tips. Im not really out to solo but alot of times I cant find a grp.

Having better luck now and started a Necro for the times that I cant get one.

And I didnt know cracked staves where better than fists till 10, someone told me to use fists till I could afford a EBM and use that till 20-30 then switch to fists agin.

[Dr4z3r]

yea you're exactly right, you really can't effectively solo as a melee class (bard discluded). that being said, if you're a min'maxer by nature consider the Mage as your money maker and forego the journey on the monk.

Azeth, I don't think "disclude" means what you think it means.

[Estu]

It started slowly. I scraped up the plat to buy a Bloodstained Mantle for about 50p. I sold that one for 125p. I watch the trade window for a gut feeling on the average price for an item. Try to buy below that price, and sell for at or slightly above that average.

Why not use the auction tracker? Do you find that looking at the prices yourself is more reliable?

[azeth]

Azeth, I don't think "disclude" means what you think it means.

ya true, def not the inverse of "include" as per dictionary.com

sorry bros.

[Dr4z3r]

ya true, def not the inverse of "include" as per dictionary.com

sorry bros.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disclude


Main Entry: disclude
Part of Speech: v
Definition: to disclose, make known
Etymology: Latin discludere 'to shut apart'


Perhaps you're thinking of "Exclude"? (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/exclude)

—Antonyms 1. include.

[azeth]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disclude

..ya

ya true, def not the inverse of "include" as per dictionary.com

sorry bros.

[Dr4z3r]

ya true, def not the inverse of "include" as per dictionary.com

I interpreted this as meaning "dictionary.com says the meaning is the inverse of 'include'" ... I guess I'm having issues with sarcasm in text again?

[RapidScotch]

Arguing over spelling is pointless, fyi. We all know what he meant :X

[Maurk]

What challenge is there when you create a caster for the main purpose of tweaking out your melee character?
I found it way more enjoyable to make up the equipt as I went (from groups and good EC deals)

It is so much more rewarding starting from scratch with a melee character, and eventually earning all of your uber gear on your own imo/

None-the-less welcome to the server!! :D

[tristantio]

People on this server are great btw, I don't mean to condone buff begging (alright I sort of do), but if you kindly ask at tunnel entrance (East Commons) for buffs you will frequently find someone willing to damage shield/regen you (at the least a SoW).

After you get some buffs to help you get closer to level 10 finding orc groups becomes a lot easier.

If you see me around, I am always happy to send a buff your way.

-Tristantio level 11 Shaman

[Darklake]

And I didnt know cracked staves where better than fists till 10, someone told me to use fists till I could afford a EBM and use that till 20-30 then switch to fists agin.

Monk fists are 5/36 until 10, a cracked staff is 5/32 - same damage but slightly faster. In addition, it keeps your 1HB skill up. At 10 your fists become 6/36, which is a better ratio.

You can get a Cold Iron Morning Star for about 25pp, which is 9/35 - the same ratio as your fists at 25. Much cheaper than an EBM, and not that bad a ratio.

[Cruise]

Monk fists are 5/36 until 10, a cracked staff is 5/32 - same damage but slightly faster. In addition, it keeps your 1HB skill up. At 10 your fists become 6/36, which is a better ratio.

You can get a Cold Iron Morning Star for about 25pp, which is 9/35 - the same ratio as your fists at 25. Much cheaper than an EBM, and not that bad a ratio.

Is there anything better at 50 in classic than fists? I remember seeing a thread but can't find it now.

[mgellan]

Level an agnostic HElf enchanter to 12 (you can get a lot of the way there with Crushbone belts and shoulderpads quest), do Stein of Moggok quest, sell for 250pp, rinse and repeat til you have enough cash to fund buying low and selling high in EC tunnel. I did that to fund all my gear on my shammy (which will be good enough to get him to the planes.) Since lots of peeps are twinking I don't think the Stein demand will diminish anytime soon...

In the meantime you have a nice little Chanter you can either use as your main or a nice alt to level while you wait for new content at 50...

Regards,
Mg

[Rahnza]

Is there anything better at 50 in classic than fists? I remember seeing a thread but can't find it now.

The only weapon better than natural fists (14/30 human 14/31 iksar) are Whitened Treant Fists which are dropped in PoSky (14/28). Both of those ratios are insane for classic though.

FYI for the OP as far as what you're getting into:

Monk is one of the hardest classes to play in EverQuest. The beginning levels are rough, and the weight limit will always be annoying. However, they have probably the single hardest skill to master in Classic (and on) in Feign Death. There's so many nuances and mechanics to learn with FD pulling that really makes it an art form that can take months if not years of playing to completely master. A great FD puller is one of the most powerful and significant allies you can have, however. Unfortunately, a lot of people on P99 are ex-EQ veterans and may expect pulling perfection from you, so you may have to put up with some disappointed group mates. Not only do you need to learn the mechanics of feign death itself, but also the layouts, spawns, and timers of dungeons you'll be pulling from.

But as stated, a level 50 monk who knows his shit is one of the most powerful chars you could possess in the game.

Edit: I forgot Wu's Tranquil Fist, which is even better than Whitened Treant Fists. I kinda forgot them because they were so hard to obtain and immediately obsoleted with Kunark, but not sure how rare they are here.

[Scrooge]

If you like variety, go with an Enchanter!

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

shrug, played a monk since 1999, all aspects of the game, tried a different route this time and made coin while leveling my monk. Like I said, hit me up in game:)

Peace

[Darklake]

Level an agnostic HElf enchanter to 12

Or if you don't want to wait that long, an agnostic Dark Elf enchanter to 4 :-)

http://www.project1999.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=521&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1289994914

[Lagaidh]

Why not use the auction tracker? Do you find that looking at the prices yourself is more reliable?

I use a mix. For some items, the auction tracker is useful. At times, the data isn't reliable compared to what I see happening in the tunnel.

If the tracker isn't accurate at times, I go with my gut.

It's worked out I suppose. We're geared.

[eqravenprince]

Example I started a Monk hes lvl 8 but I cant even kill a even con mob with out dying and people tell me its due to my gear.


I'm a level 21 Monk, have a full set of Wu's armor and +90HP combined from my rings, and still have a hard time soloing even con mobs that I don't even bother trying, too risky. They aren't supposed to be easy, in fact I would argue that you ideally would die 50% of the time on an even con.