Conservatism vs Progressivism

[iruinedyourday]

Im going to try to have a discussion about the failed conservative movement vs the neverending march of progress.

I will list a few examples of failed conservative programs please, if you think conservatism is the way to go, feel free to post a failed progressive program or ideal.

Try to refrain from posting your opinions on whether something has failed, or at least try to find bipartisan support that indicates that the ideal or program you posted about is indeed a failure.

Examples of Conservative policies, programs or ideals that are complete and total failures:

The War on Drugs - This is a catastrophic failure that has done nothing to stop drug use and in many cases increased crime and drug use across the nation. The very idea that it is still an active policy is depressing.

Privatised Prison system - It's in the fucking constitution, just like the 2nd amendment is, that we should not live under the threat of cruel and unusual punishment. But nobody seems to care about that.

Standardized Testing/No child left behind - This is the most retarded way to think about education. it is a complete and total failure.

Trickle Down Economics - There are no economists that disagree that this is a myth

Nixon’s National Health Insurance proposal of 1974 - Basically the patient zero for the complete meltdown of any semblance of healthcare america ever had, resulting in the failed system we have been trying to change for the last 8 years.

the list does and will go on and on... go ahead, name me one known failed progressive system.

PS one thing you can connect all the dots to when it comes to republican policy - they all are designed to disenfranchise black americans. So if you're going to be honest, then they are all quite successful.. the problem is if you're going to be honest, you're a racist piece of shit neocon.

[Pokesan]

go ahead, name me one known failed progressive system.



The USSR

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

go ahead, name me one known failed progressive system.

Kampuchea

[iruinedyourday]

Nothing yet, keep trying though.

[Telin]

A real constitutional conservative wouldn't have any such programs, especially on a federal level.

[iruinedyourday]

A real constitutional conservative wouldn't have any such programs, especially on a federal level.

give me one example of a private system that provides a service to communities that isnt a total and catastrophic failure then.

[Spyder73]

Off the top of my head - Women can vote - that seems like a glaring progressive failure

[Spyder73]

give me one example of a private system that provides a service to communities that isnt a total and catastrophic failure then.

Waste disposal is highly privatized - AKA your trashmen

[Blitzers]

just because someone who claims to be a conservative doesn't mean they are. I would Argue that all of these programs u listed failed because they're not conservative ideals or policies, they're actually progressive policies that "Grow Government" and Corruption which is the complete opposite of conservatism.

U wanna talk about failed policies lets talk about the HUD (housing and urban development) and CRA (community reinvestment act) and how progressive politicians gave corrupt bankers the ability to fuck over America and not go to jail. Chris Dodd and Barney Frank both democrats are personally responsible for the housing/bank crisis of 2008. Don't gimme this bullshit of failed conservative policies until u actually find a true conservative policy and not some progressive crap. And yes Bush and Nixon were both progressives. Same party just a diff name.

[maskedmelon]

Below you will find two lists. What do you think of each?

Medicare
Medicaid
Social Security
CRA
ACA
AHRA

Uber
Amazon
Google
Walmart
GameStop
Red Cross
Goodwill
MIT
Cal tech

[Filthy_Pagan]

No one has mentioned affirmative action yet?

[Spyder73]

No one has mentioned affirmative action yet?

Pras Filthy Pagan and his glorious return to the forums

[Filthy_Pagan]

Pras the retarded god, brother wu-tang..
Pras the retarded god.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Gun free zones

[Filthy_Pagan]

Gun free zones

You mean godmode zones.

You're guaranteed to take zero damage if you start shooting in a no gun zone

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Just noticed that OP listed standardized testing as a failed program yet common core (a progressive wet dream) is literally standardized testing on creak.

[Spyder73]

And the war on drugs failed? I guess that depends on your definition of a win. If actually eliminating drug use is the goal then its a terrible failure. If bleeding your citizen for money through arrests, fines, and pushing for more money for the prison system because of "overcrowding" (mainly due to drug offenders) is the goal the its wildly successful.

[maskedmelon]

Our present problem of criminality is one of inequality and disparate punishment. Let us have but one penalty for all crime that we might be more reserved in what we declare criminal.

[iruinedyourday]

Our present problem of criminality is one of inequality and disparate punishment. Let us have but one penalty for all crime that we might be more reserved in what we declare criminal.

The criminal justice system as well as all conservative systems are designed to disenfranchise poor voters, aka black voters.

The problems that the united states faces is one that can stem from one single issue, it is a racist country.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

one single issue

Is all you ever talk about.

It's not the 1960s anymore, get out of here with your regressive "skin color is the only thing that is important" shit. Skin color hasn't determined ones class status in America for over 30 years.


Black lives don't matter any more than anyone else's. Grow up.

[iruinedyourday]

Is all you ever talk about.

It's not the 1960s anymore, get out of here with your regressive "skin color is the only thing that is important" shit. Skin color hasn't determined ones class status in America for over 30 years.


Black lives don't matter any more than anyone else's. Grow up.

literatly everything in my OP is designed to disenfranchise voters.

If your god damned OLDencon secret society that you neocons support wasn't trying ruin the lives of the black women and men of america, the nation would be far better off.

fine, you want another issue?

60% of our taxes going to wars for no reason that help nobody is a pretty fucking big one.

which to no surprise is the work of the conservative party

[Pokesan]

southern strategy?

but lots of people are helped by the wars we wage. you just don't know who or how.

[iruinedyourday]

southern strategy?

but lots of people are helped by the wars we wage. you just don't know who or how.

Yea, islamic fundamentalists seem to do great when we get involved in the middle east.

So far to name a few, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin laden and ISIS. All created as a direct result of our military's involvement in the middle east.

[maskedmelon]

On topic (unless racism is the new topic), what about all the failed social programs I listed? How does society benefit from prolonging the least productive years of peoples lives and subsidizing failure?

It's just an extension of the implicit agreement among individuals proselytizing progressive ideology: "I won't say you're wrong if you won't say I'm wrong." It's nothing more than boldfaced denial of responsibility. Eventually you run out of people to blame and money to steal though.

[iruinedyourday]

On topic (unless racism is the new topic), what about all the failed social programs I listed? How does society benefit from prolonging the least productive years of peoples lives and subsidizing failure?

It's just an extension of the implicit agreement among individuals proselytizing progressive ideology: "I won't say you're wrong if you won't say I'm wrong." It's nothing more than boldfaced denial of responsibility. Eventually you run out of people to blame and money to steal though.

Im going to have to have you go into more specific detail into what you were thinking.

You listed a bunch of social programs, then you listed a bunch of corporations... I still am not sure what you were getting at with that post.

[Pokesan]

Yea, islamic fundamentalists seem to do great when we get involved in the middle east.

So far to name a few, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin laden and ISIS. All created as a direct result of our military's involvement in the middle east.

yeah, so? what point do you think you're making

[iruinedyourday]

OIt's just an extension of the implicit agreement among individuals proselytizing progressive ideology: "I won't say you're wrong if you won't say I'm wrong." It's nothing more than boldfaced denial of responsibility. Eventually you run out of people to blame and money to steal though.

I want to address this though... the way I see the two systems is

Conservatives: Society wants people to behave a certain way, so it creates laws that make people behave the way it wants you to.

Progressive: Looks at the way people behave, crates programs based on that behavior to help facilitate positive change. If you don't want to change, that's ok, it's your right.

Conservatism is Idealistic and progressivism is realistic. One is free the other is oppressive.

Makes no sense to me that conservatives tout the word freedom while imposing social laws on people time and time again.

*edit* side note - 60% military tax spending is steeling money from me for something that I am not just morally against but economically against.

I have no voice in 60% of my taxes, in my FREE country... if anyone is steeling anything, its the conservative party.

[Hastley]

Does the OP have a job? Does he pay taxes? Is he even a US citizen?

[iruinedyourday]

Does the OP have a job? Does he pay taxes? Is he even a US citizen?

lets not get into attacking anon accounts, some of our most ignorant posters may be some of the most powerful IRL

some of our most moral of posters may be the most wealthy.

last thing we need is another fucking person on the forums like noscow that posts about how hot his fat as whife is.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Since we all know progressives are so far gone that they're the actual sexists and racists these days (see horese shoe theory and then bend it till the ends meet) im going to say some things about the alleged "racist legal system" that liberals often cite.

When I was locked up, the vast majority of inmates were black, a few were white, a few were hispanic/ latino/ whatever, and even 1 was asian.

Now, while progressives constantly cry racism when speaking of our legal system, I can say first hand that this is not the case. Literally every one of the black inmates admitted guilt when talking about why they were incarcerated. It wasn't, "I was driving while black" or "jaywalking while black" or even "I got locked up for my first offense that was a petty misdemeanor". It was "yeah, i was selling crack" or "my girl was cheating on me so i beat the shit out of her" or "i shot somebody over a gang dispute". They didn't say it quite like that, but if i were to emulate their vernacular and grammar, you'd just accuse me of being racist.


Anyway, progressives are wrong on every front except for "we need to quit fucking up the environment". Socially, they're wrong 100% of the time.

[Hastley]

lets not get into attacking anon accounts, some of our most ignorant posters may be some of the most powerful IRL

some of our most moral of posters may be the most wealthy.

last thing we need is another fucking person on the forums like noscow that posts about how hot his fat as whife is.

Background qualifications are important in determining the stakes and motives posters have. Don't care about random peoples progeny or wives though. So, are you a citizen of the USA?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

you neocons[/U]

Good one

[iruinedyourday]

Of course people in jail often commit crimes to get there, you so dumb to think progressives think everyone in there is innocent?

a progressive looks at the way people in poor parts of the country are behaving - lets take selling crack for example.

well, for one putting people in jail for selling crack, does nothing to stop people from selling it. Infact it increases the amount of crime in the areas where people sell it. Hence some of the other inmates being jailed, for:

"my girl was cheating on me so i beat the shit out of her" or "i shot somebody over a gang dispute".

A progressive looks at why are people in this neighborhood selling crack, is it because they are poor and miserable and human, (don't forget ALL humans do drugs) crack is just the cheapest one available?

If we legalize drug use and provide health care for anyone, like in any developed nation we reduce crime, reduce addiction, reduce usage.

who pays for it?

people likely outside of your tax bracket, so not you.

who saves money?

you do, because quality of life increases and cost of living well goes down. Less cost for insurance , less cost for health care, less cost for education.

taking care of your neighbor means you have good neighbors, treating your neighbor like shit, means they have a shitty neighbor.

Now all that aside, how come you don't hear any stores from filthy pagan about all the white people who do coke, which is the same fucking drug as crack.

OH YEA cus the CONSERVATIVE run system was attempting to disenfranchise black voters by sending them to jail thereby revoking their ability to vote.

[Pokesan]

war is good if it benefits the united states, which it does!

[Blitzers]

I want to address this though... the way I see the two systems is

Conservatives: Society wants people to behave a certain way, so it creates laws that make people behave the way it wants you to.

Progressive: Looks at the way people behave, crates programs based on that behavior to help facilitate positive change. If you don't want to change, that's ok, it's your right.

Conservatism is Idealistic and progressivism is realistic. One is free the other is oppressive.

Makes no sense to me that conservatives tout the word freedom while imposing social laws on people time and time again.

*edit* side note - 60% military tax spending is steeling money from me for something that I am not just morally against but economically against.

I have no voice in 60% of my taxes, in my FREE country... if anyone is steeling anything, its the conservative party.

Seems like you have no grasp of history whatsoever. ALERT ALERT, War existed thousands of years before the Creation of the USA. It's like you think if America didn't exist there would be no wars. History has proven a Stong Military and Economy is necessary for the survival of a nation. Military should be the only TAX expense for a government. Have idiot politicians made horrible mistakes when using our military, yes. That has nothing to do with conservative policy or ideology. I would like to see YOU IRUINEDYOURDAY talk yourself out of a beheading from ISIS. I'm positive you'd convert just to save your own ass.

[iruinedyourday]

Military should be the only TAX expense for a government

If this was the way our government worked, you'd be spending 110% of your paycheck for just using the fucking the corporate owned road idiot.

Have idiot politicians made horrible mistakes when using our military, yes. That has nothing to do with conservative policy or ideology.

incorrect, it is conservative idiot politicians that making those mistakes using our military.

I would like to see YOU IRUINEDYOURDAY talk yourself out of a beheading from ISIS

I am not a coward (like you appear to be) afraid of the conservative military created ISIS that has no threat to any american lives outside of the military we send there to create them.

[Spyder73]

IRYD dodging questions of nationality? Are you a United States citizen?

[iruinedyourday]

IRYD dodging questions of nationality? Are you a United States citizen?

in order to dodge a beheading i pledged allegiance to the state of ISIS located somewhere in yours and everyone else's, backyard.

[Spyder73]

NSA definitely is monitoring this post now - way to go - lots of triggers here

[iruinedyourday]

NSA definitely is monitoring this post now - way to go - lots of triggers here

reading correspondence and data mining for political oppression, another great conservative policy ladies and gentlemen!

Thanks for adding to the list Spyder ;)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

reading correspondence and data mining for political oppression, another great conservative policy ladies and gentlemen!

Thanks for adding to the list Spyder ;)

I thought the NSA or at least it's rapid expansion was as much Clinton's baby as it was GWBs

[iruinedyourday]

I thought the NSA was Clinton's baby

no way doggie, it's actually an agency created at the beginning of the cold war.

the Patriot Act, that gave them freedom to do whatever they wanted no matter how unconstitutional was...

drum roll

George W Bush! A CONSERVATIVE incase you were wondering...

NEXT!

[Blitzers]

[QUOTE=iruinedyourday;2174500]If this was the way our government worked, you'd be spending 110% of your paycheck for just using the fucking the corporate owned road idiot.

Wrong again, I would only be paying for the ROADS I used not the roads u ride the bus on to pickup your welfare check. The price of that road would be much lower because the contract would have been negotiated to save money not to fulfill a politicians favor to some Union thugs.

incorrect, it is conservative idiot politicians that making those mistakes using our military.

Once again those politicians were NOT conservatives they were big government progressives ie. Medicare part B


I am not a coward (like you appear to be) afraid of the conservative military created ISIS that has no threat to any american lives outside of the military we send there to create them.[/QUOTE

ISIS was created by Obama to lead a proxy war against Assad in Syria. Yes u are a coward who hides behind the race card every chance u get.

[iruinedyourday]

ISIS was created by Obama to lead a proxy war against Assad in Syria. Yes u are a coward who hides behind the race card every chance u get.

Nobodys going to argue that obama's military spending and action in the middle east is less than could be desired.

However, the threat of ISIS was created by the Iraqi coalition authority, which ousted the entire government of Iraq. It was when 30,000 individuals who are part of the Iraqi military were forced out. They had no employment, they had no income, yet they were left with access to all the same arms and weapons.

No sir, ISIS is very much a conservative created debacle.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Of course people in jail often commit crimes to get there, you so dumb to think progressives think everyone in there is innocent?

a progressive looks at the way people in poor parts of the country are behaving - lets take selling crack for example.

well, for one putting people in jail for selling crack, does nothing to stop people from selling it. Infact it increases the amount of crime in the areas where people sell it. Hence some of the other inmates being jailed, for:



A progressive looks at why are people in this neighborhood selling crack, is it because they are poor and miserable and human, (don't forget ALL humans do drugs) crack is just the cheapest one available?

If we legalize drug use and provide health care for anyone, like in any developed nation we reduce crime, reduce addiction, reduce usage.

who pays for it?

people likely outside of your tax bracket, so not you.

who saves money?

you do, because quality of life increases and cost of living well goes down. Less cost for insurance , less cost for health care, less cost for education.

taking care of your neighbor means you have good neighbors, treating your neighbor like shit, means they have a shitty neighbor.

Now all that aside, how come you don't hear any stores from filthy pagan about all the white people who do coke, which is the same fucking drug as crack.

OH YEA cus the CONSERVATIVE run system was attempting to disenfranchise black voters by sending them to jail thereby revoking their ability to vote.

The first thing i noticed is that you immediately shed your claims of a racist system and gave credit where credit was due- they target the poor. Not a specific ethnic group.

Now. Why would someone have to sell crack? Because they're unwilling to act like civilized human beings and assimilate into modern culture by getting an actual job. Why? because of their own racist beliefs. "Whitey caused this, whitey did that, im not gonna play into that system. They OWE me because of historical events I never experienced personally, but those people looked like me so im entitled." Pretty soon they realize that EBT doesnt really buy enough food to sustain life, so they need additional income, and jordans are expensive.

You didnt hear me mentioning whites doing coke (there were a couple in jail for that reason) because we weren't talking about that. Notice how IRYD tries to deflect accountability when the subject is black and attempts to use the "WELL HE DID IT TOO" kindergarten defense. Classic liberal argument.

Socialism only works when people work and pay taxes. When a good chunk of people see having 6 kids to get a fat welfare check a career path, they arent supporting socialism, therefor it doesnt work.

And if you think that legalizing drugs lowers crime rates, you're terribly mistaken and lack any sort of real knowledge of how the world works. Even in places where drugs are legalized, the illegal drug trade still thrives. I can go to a dozen people right now and get top quality marijuana from people for a LOT less than what dispensaries charge.

You don't have any legitimate arguments, you're simply parroting libcuck rhetoric because that's what your overlords programmed in you while you were being brainwashed.

[iruinedyourday]

And if you think that legalizing drugs lowers crime rates, you're terribly mistaken and lack any sort of real knowledge of how the world works.

Property crime rates have tripled and violent crime rates have doubled since President Nixon created the Drug Enforcement Agency in 1973 and declared an "all-out global war"to end the "drug menace." The connection is not coincidental.

[Blitzers]

Nobodys going to argue that obama's military spending and action in the middle east is less than could be desired.

However, the threat of ISIS was created by the Iraqi coalition authority, which ousted the entire government of Iraq. It was when 30,000 individuals who are part of the Iraqi military were forced out. They had no employment, they had no income, yet they were left with access to all the same arms and weapons.

No sir, ISIS is very much a conservative created debacle.

ISIS didn't exist until 2012, the Iraqi military was ousted back in 06 or earlier. They joined up with Al Qiada and were defeated with the Surge in 07. Obama refused to leave US military in Iraq to keep it secure and not allow an opposition force to rise. Obama neglected Iraq thus leading to the rise of ISIS.

Personally I think we should hVe just colonized Iraq and made it an economic free zone and called it New America. Had this been done instead of nation building we'd been a lot better off.

[iruinedyourday]

ISIS didn't exist until 2012, the Iraqi military was ousted back in 06 or earlier. They joined up with Al Qiada and were defeated with the Surge in 07. Obama refused to leave US military in Iraq to keep it secure and not allow an opposition force to rise. Obama neglected Iraq thus leading to the rise of ISIS.

Personally I think we should hVe just colonized Iraq and made it an economic free zone and called it New America. Had this been done instead of nation building we'd been a lot better off.

What apple store is this homeless person posting from I wonder?

[Blitzers]

What apple store is this homeless person posting from I wonder?

So your lies are defeated you start name calling very predictable strategy you consistently use.

I agree going into Iraq was dumbass shit but even dumbass' like Hillary voted for it. I would have rather us wiped out the Sauds since that's where the hijackers were from. Bush's 1940's nation building strategy was a ridiculous idea. You can't hand people an instruction manual to freedom and expect them to just figure it out especially when you have a religion that has no tenet of freedom within its structure whatsoever. Unfortunately Bush led the horse to water but he didn't make it drink.

Don't forget the 1999 "Iraqi resolution" plan that Bill Clinton signed to form Regime change in Iraq.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

name me one known failed progressive system.

The USSR

Kampuchea

affirmative action

Gun free zones

common core

i pledged allegiance to the state of ISIS

[Daywolf]

I will list a few examples of failed conservative programs please, if you think conservatism is the way to go, feel free to post a failed progressive program or ideal.

Try to refrain from posting your opinions on whether something has failed, or at least try to find bipartisan support that indicates that the ideal or program you posted about is indeed a failure.Idea: the idea of liberals when trying to set the rules but immediately break those rules in nearly the same breath :rolleyes:

War on drugs: Marion Barry? Interesting that it is considered a failure on conservatives when it's predominantly lefty libs dealing and using.

Prisons? Wait... who has been the leader of this country for the past 7 years? How is this a conservative failure when it's all still running status quo?

NCLB started with bipartisan support, and this is all conservatism's fault?? Even so, it stands as controversial, not out and out failure, yet again bipartisan from it's formation.

Trickle down economics is surely a lot better than what we have now, and now with an actual unemployment rate in the US of ~60% if you ignore the cooked books of the libs.

Nixon? Try out of control lawsuits against hospitals and doctors. Doctors pleading for some level of protection to fix the problem yet while 0bama too busy hand selecting doctors and actors to partake in his roundtable discussions to con the American people into handing over their liberty for oppression.

[iruinedyourday]

So your lies are defeated you start name calling very predictable strategy you consistently use.

I agree going into Iraq was dumbass shit but even dumbass' like Hillary voted for it. I would have rather us wiped out the Sauds since that's where the hijackers were from. Bush's 1940's nation building strategy was a ridiculous idea. You can't hand people an instruction manual to freedom and expect them to just figure it out especially when you have a religion that has no tenet of freedom within its structure whatsoever. Unfortunately Bush led the horse to water but he didn't make it drink.

Don't forget the 1999 "Iraqi resolution" plan that Bill Clinton signed to form Regime change in Iraq.

no im not defeated, us leaving Iraq is not what caused ISIS us invading it is.

now that's been cleared up... twice.. lets move on.

First of all I am very pleased you are attempting to cite examples of progressive failures, even though you keep pulling for democratic ones, they are indeed as close to progressives as we get in mainstream politics.

However, the Iraqi resolution, AKA the Iraq Liberation Act has been cited as the reason they were able to develop weapons of mass destruction by GWB.

Let me repeat that... its been cited as the reason iraq... was able to create weapons of mass destruction...

Iraq was never able to create weapons of mass destruction, the Iraqi liberation act was not at fault for the iraqi war and finally only one person claims it is, George Bush.

so to that I say...

NEXT

[Filthy_Pagan]

no way doggie, it's actually an agency created at the beginning of the cold war.

the Patriot Act, that gave them freedom to do whatever they wanted no matter how unconstitutional was...

drum roll

George W Bush! A CONSERVATIVE incase you were wondering...

NEXT!

Invasion of Iraq?
Democrats, including Shillary CHECK

Bullshitting about the evidence of WMDs?
Democrats CHECK

The set-up leading to the 2008 financial crisis?
Democrats CHECK

Stealing palestine from palestinians to create israel?
Democrats CHECK

People behind BLM and neo-feminazi movement?
Democrats CHECK

Bombing hospitals in the middle east?
Obama, democrat CHECK

ISIS?
Obama and netanyahu, democrats CHECK

Ending slavery in the US?
Lincoln, REPUBLICAN CHECK


next

[iruinedyourday]

Idea: the idea of liberals when trying to set the rules but immediately break those rules in nearly the same breath :rolleyes:

yikes, no breaking of my own rules in this entire thread! sorry pal but if you are a conservitive i can see why your vision might be blurred.

War on drugs: Marion Barry? Interesting that it is considered a failure on conservatives when it's predominantly lefty libs dealing and using.

I will be dammed if you think that liberals are the only persons or even more inclined to do drugs, you are going to have to cite some pretty fucking serious NONpartisan studies to make a claim like that.

Prisons? Wait... who has been the leader of this country for the past 7 years? How is this a conservative failure when it's all still running status quo?

Privatisation of our prisons is a conservative policy and by blaming democrats for not fixing it by now is an insane way to look at who to blame for the policy.

NCLB started with bipartisan support, and this is all conservationism fault?? Even so, it stands as controversial, not out and out failure, yet again bipartisan from it's formation.

To this day, the conservative movement has faught tooth and nail to remove funding from education, this was as bi partisan as obamas ACA

Trickle down economics is surely a lot better than what we have now, and now with an actual unemployment rate in the US of ~60% if you ignore the cooked books of the libs.

so now that you admittedly believe that the state of our economy is a lie & conspiracy written by liberal illuminati, i suggest you shut off the electricity in your home as it might be causing an adverse reaction to the tinfoil hat you're wearing and killing your braincells

Nixon? Try out of control lawsuits against hospitals and doctors. Doctors pleading for some level of protection to fix the problem yet while 0bama too busy hand selecting doctors and actors to partake in his roundtable discussions to con the American people into handing over their liberty for oppression.

and at this point its sounds like you are just foaming at the mouth, so it might be to late to worry about the effects of your environment and choice of hatware

[Filthy_Pagan]

OP doesnt realize that progressive/liberal = democrat kek

[Pokesan]

dial it back a notch FP you're important to me

[Filthy_Pagan]

think positive, little buddy

i havent posted in a week, i had some buildup to get out. Im all better now though.

and i'm rehabilitated

[maskedmelon]

Progressivism is not a companion of reason or logic. Neither is conservatism. Strict adherence to any ideology is the purview of fools.

The fundamental difference between conservatism and progressivism is the view of government. How can one possibly lament the oppression met at the hands of powerful corporations and wealthy individuals in one breath and advocate for the creation of a greater power in the next? Isn't it obvious people are the problem. The more power a society cedes to government the more corrupt the government becomes due to inherent adverse selection.

[Daywolf]

I will be dammed if you think that liberals are the only persons or even more inclined to do drugs, you are going to have to cite some pretty fucking serious NONpartisan studies to make a claim like that.Another complaint of failed liberalism: they can call my eyesight blurred but do the same (projectionism?), that or they just don't understand the dictionary when it comes to words like "predominantly" vs "only persons".

Privatisation of our prisons is a conservative policy and by blaming democrats for not fixing it by now is an insane way to look at who to blame for the policy. Anything privatized runs better than state/fed run institutions. In fact the feds have way way too much power as it is, never the design of this nation, doomed to failure. But more and more power goes to them as they promise more and more stuff in return for their votes. Not doing so hot in an election? Give 'em all cellphones, right? 7yrs, how many centuries does this administration need to fix things? They got you hornswaggled, always gold at the end of that rainbow if you just keep on running, and running, and running.

To this day, the conservative movement has faught tooth and nail to remove funding from education, this was as bi partisan as obamas ACA It's not privatized, it's not defunded, but but should be, yes. Absolutely, yes. It's the absolute opposite. Case in point, in my state you cant even homeschool any longer unless you go out and get a masters degree. They did that when they realized homeschooled kids were getting a far better education compared to the kids in public schools, making public schools look bad. Can't have that....


so now that you admittedly believe that the state of our economy is a lie & conspiracy written by liberal illuminati, i suggest you shut off the electricity in your home as it might be causing an adverse reaction to the tinfoil hat you're wearing and killing your braincellsDuh? lib rule #23 - if you have no credible response, throw absurdity into the conversation.


and at this point its sounds like you are just foaming at the mouth, so it might be to late to worry about the effects of your environment and choice of hatware
Seriously, ridiculous thread. You cant throw unlimited BS topics into a single thread and have and actual conversation/debate. It's for confusion purposes e.g. toss two rabbits in front of a dog and watch him hesitate deciding which one to chase while you muzzle him. But this is a game forum, no serious discussion expected here, move along nothing to see.

[Lurikeen]

Im going to try to have a discussion about the failed conservative movement vs the neverending march of progress.

I will list a few examples of failed conservative programs please...

The War on Drugs - This is a catastrophic failure that has done nothing to stop drug use and in many cases increased crime and drug use across the nation. The very idea that it is still an active policy is depressing.

Privatised Prison system - It's in the fucking constitution, just like the 2nd amendment is, that we should not live under the threat of cruel and unusual punishment. But nobody seems to care about that.

Standardized Testing/No child left behind - This is the most retarded way to think about education. it is a complete and total failure.

Trickle Down Economics - There are no economists that disagree that this is a myth

Nixon’s National Health Insurance proposal of 1974 - Basically the patient zero for the complete meltdown of any semblance of healthcare america ever had, resulting in the failed system we have been trying to change for the last 8 years.

the list does and will go on and on... go ahead, name me one known failed progressive system.

PS one thing you can connect all the dots to when it comes to republican policy - they all are designed to disenfranchise black americans. So if you're going to be honest, then they are all quite successful.. the problem is if you're going to be honest, you're a racist piece of shit neocon.

/shakes head at IRYD

Girl, didn't you try to pass off these red herrings as good reasoning before? Sheesh.

Let's see... "the war on drugs" was not started by conservatives. In fact, FDR pushed for the "Uniform State Narcotic Drug Act" in 1935. I think you would agree that FDR is one of the heroes of progressive politics? At any rate, you can't blame the conservatives for the drug war. Plenty of presidents who were liberals supported the "war on drugs."

"Privatised Prison system"... Your point here is so ridiculous one has to wonder what drugs you might have been on when typing your complaint. I suppose you simply hate private industry and have somehow equated contracting out a prison system (which isn't a wide spread practice in the US) with violating the Constitution. Who knows what you are thinking here.

"Standardized Testing/No child left behind" is technically a re-authorization of the "Elementary and Secondary Education Act" signed into law in 1965. Care to guess which Democrat president was in office in 1965?

"Trickle Down Economics" is a derogatory term used by Populists who really don't know what the hell they're talking about when it comes to economics. There isn't an economist alive who says that "Trickle Down Economics" works, because the term refers to a complete red herring. There just isn't such an economic "animal" just like unicorns don't really exist.

"Nixon’s National Health Insurance proposal of 1974" is not the end product of Richard Nixon. You seem to have a very poor understanding of history. In 1965 Lyndon Johnson (a Democrat) got behind Medicare and Medicaid. By the 1970s the AFL-CIO was promoting a universal health care that had zero out of pocket costs for the consumer. Ted Kennedy picked up their proposal and ran with it. However, by the early 70s Kennedy couldn't get the full support of the Democrats who ran Ways and Means and Senate Finance. In 1974 Nixon, after following the lead of bipartisan efforts to get at least a universal catastrophic health care plan to Americans, proposed an employer mandated health care plan as a replacement for Medicaid. By the time Nixon was forced to resign, his proposal for a major health insurance overhaul and his proposal for a national health care plan, was chopped up by Democrats such as Ted Kennedy, and left for dead. So, I really don't know what the hell you could be talking about, since it is evident you have no clue what Nixon was trying to do where health care is concerned. Indeed, today's "progressives" would have applauded him!

Let's see... did you want to follow up with more dumb statements?

[Filthy_Pagan]

Holy shit Lurikeen im proud of you. A+ response

[Raev]

op is both a moron and an omega cuck who gets off on forum beatdowns. The best response is to just ignore him.

[iruinedyourday]

Let's see... "the war on drugs" was not started by conservatives. In fact, FDR pushed for the "Uniform State Narcotic Drug Act" in 1935. I think you would agree that FDR is one of the heroes of progressive politics? At any rate, you can't blame the conservatives for the drug war. Plenty of presidents who were liberals supported the "war on drugs."

incorrect it was created by Nixon

"Privatised Prison system"... Your point here is so ridiculous one has to wonder what drugs you might have been on when typing your complaint. I suppose you simply hate private industry and have somehow equated contracting out a prison system (which isn't a wide spread practice in the US) with violating the Constitution. Who knows what you are thinking here.

dont be upset that I hate private industry controlling social programs. I love private industry when it comes to tech or innovation.. but controlling social programs? hell no. there are many obvious reasons why this is a bad idea, and im sure ill get more into them as i continue on through your response.

I am equating our current prison system to cruel and unusual, and if you look at other developed nations, it is. Our constitution should protect us from the rape & violence from other prisoners that we ALL are well aware of, let alone violence from the guards. yes, our current system IS cruen and unusual, and that we are subjected to that is an attack on our freedom and the constitution.

"Standardized Testing/No child left behind" is technically a re-authorization of the "Elementary and Secondary Education Act" signed into law in 1965. Care to guess which Democrat president was in office in 1965?

I wont counter that, I'll have to look into it more!

"Trickle Down Economics" is a derogatory term used by Populists who really don't know what the hell they're talking about when it comes to economics. There isn't an economist alive who says that "Trickle Down Economics" works, because the term refers to a complete red herring. There just isn't such an economic "animal" just like unicorns don't really exist.

first of all TDE is what Reaganomics is and Reaganomics are the economic policies that are the keystone to the 1980's conservitive movement that we are only 30 years later begining to repair, denying that they decimated our economy is denying your immediate history.

In 1974 Nixon, after following the lead of bipartisan efforts to get at least a universal catastrophic health care plan to Americans, proposed an employer mandated health care plan as a replacement for Medicaid.

This is a phantasy, nixon began the downward spiral of privatized medicine that has resulted in americas drastic healtcare system failure.

Once again, a conservative is patient zero for an enacted policy that results in a catastrophic failure.

Please, now since you are so edumacated, supply examples of failed progressive policies. If you can find one.

NEXT

[iruinedyourday]

op is both a moron and an omega cuck who gets off on forum beatdowns. The best response is to just ignore him.

what was it peopel say about liberals who just respond to facts with attacks?

hmm... this guy is a confirmed corporate bitch. So I guess it goes both ways.

[Lune]

As someone who grew up in a wealthy, Republican (fiscal conservative) household and community, and became more left-leaning after university, I've become increasingly disappointed with the character of liberalism and progressives.

While, economically, I'll always seek a healthy balance between laissez-faire and interventionism, things like:

-Covering up the mass-sexual-assault incidents
-Flooding Europe and the US with third world immigrants
-Multiculturalism
-Completely misunderstanding the extent to which politics and religion are intertwined for most Muslims
-Faulting Charlie Hebdo for drawing Muhammad instead of terrorists for being animals
-Radical feminism, safe space, white cis-male privilege, etc etc
-Irrational gun hate

... have so thoroughly ruined progressivism for me that I'm not even sure I identify that way anymore. A lot of these things aren't just championed by 'radicals' or 'extremists' either. I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment. I think people like Bill Maher capture progressivism as it should be, reasonably, but sadly the whole thing seems to be evolving away from that, going down the toilet just like conservatism has since Reagan.

[iruinedyourday]

As someone who grew up in a wealthy, Republican (fiscal conservative) household and community, and became more left-leaning after university, I've become increasingly disappointed with the character of liberalism and progressives.

While, economically, I'll always seek a healthy balance between laissez-faire and interventionism, things like:

-Covering up the mass-sexual-assault incidents
-Flooding Europe and the US with third world immigrants
-Multiculturalism
-Completely misunderstanding the extent to which politics and religion are intertwined for most Muslims
-Faulting Charlie Hebdo for drawing Muhammad instead of terrorists for being animals
-Radical feminism, safe space, white cis-male privilege, etc etc
-Irrational gun hate

... have so thoroughly ruined progressivism for me that I'm not even sure I identify that way anymore. A lot of these things aren't just championed by 'radicals' or 'extremists' either. I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment. I think people like Bill Maher capture progressivism as it should be, reasonably, but sadly the whole thing seems to be evolving away from that, going down the toilet just like conservatism has since Reagan.

The only thing that resonated "as me" with this list, was Irrational gun hate.. Me? personally I hate guns and I think they are dangerous and stupid and for the simple minded.. but I DO NOT THINK it is an issue that should be politicized right now. thats actually part of the reason I love Bernie so much, he doest either.. its too divisive.

I suppose yes i don't care about muslims, but I don't see you posting about accidental gun deaths, which equate to MORE death in america than muslim terrorism. Well aside for 9/11 which I will give you... Im just not going to let that ONE instance, guide my entire belief system like many others.

mass sex assault? - you def going to go out on a limb here.

multiculturalism? - I suppose yu mean that i am unwilling to admit that skin color has NO natural effect on your ability to do ANYTHING. or maybe that its I respect other cultures because they are just as good and just as bad as americans, who are pretty fucking scummy if you actually look at them objectively.

radical feminist? I am simply a feminist, and my feminism ends when someone disagrees that I think Miley Cyrus is the most prolific feminist of our generation.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment.

This country deserves TRUMP

[Zugsmash]

Im going to try to have a discussion about the failed conservative movement vs the neverending march of progress.

I will list a few examples of failed conservative programs please, if you think conservatism is the way to go, feel free to post a failed progressive program or ideal.

Try to refrain from posting your opinions on whether something has failed, or at least try to find bipartisan support that indicates that the ideal or program you posted about is indeed a failure.

Examples of Conservative policies, programs or ideals that are complete and total failures:

The War on Drugs - This is a catastrophic failure that has done nothing to stop drug use and in many cases increased crime and drug use across the nation. The very idea that it is still an active policy is depressing.

Privatised Prison system - It's in the fucking constitution, just like the 2nd amendment is, that we should not live under the threat of cruel and unusual punishment. But nobody seems to care about that.

Standardized Testing/No child left behind - This is the most retarded way to think about education. it is a complete and total failure.

Trickle Down Economics - There are no economists that disagree that this is a myth

Nixon’s National Health Insurance proposal of 1974 - Basically the patient zero for the complete meltdown of any semblance of healthcare america ever had, resulting in the failed system we have been trying to change for the last 8 years.

the list does and will go on and on... go ahead, name me one known failed progressive system.

PS one thing you can connect all the dots to when it comes to republican policy - they all are designed to disenfranchise black americans. So if you're going to be honest, then they are all quite successful.. the problem is if you're going to be honest, you're a racist piece of shit neocon.

You really hate Conservatives. Lets see what your amazing DEMs have done for us in the past.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt - Created the Welfare system and every Dem has used that atrocity to secure votes and keep people in poverty.

That system has millions of American's being comfortable sitting at home collecting money while everyone else pays for them.

President Jimmy Carter - Stopped our money being backed by Gold and placed on the Fiat system. Created Department of Energy and Department of Education. Just keep making the Federal Gov't BIGGER! Nothing else needs to be said.

President Bill Clinton - Went to the Federal Reserve, AIG and other major lenders and told them to make it easier for people to get housing loans. So, what did this create. It had people getting housing loans for more than they could possibly pay back.

How is this possible??

You went to your local bank. You asked for a $400,000 loan for a house. The local bank knew you could only afford a house for $200,000 but gave you the 400k loan anyways. Why you ask?? Because the bank would immediately sell your mortgage loan to the Federal Reserve. So, when you defaulted it wouldn't be local bank out of money on that loan it fell on the Federal Reserve holding that mortgage.

This is what created the housing market crash! Not Bush.

This is the reason the economy was booming during Clinton. People were getting loans they couldn't afford because local banks did not have to worry about you defaulting on the loan.

President Obama- Socialist Muslim doing his best to destroy the fabric of everything this country has stood for. At every turn he has sympathized with Muslim groups and released 5 of the most dangerous detainees in GTMO for a fucking Army deserter without any type of approval. He is constantly playing on the violence in America to create riots and do everything possible to abolish the 2nd Amendment.

[Daywolf]

As someone who grew up in a wealthy, Republican (fiscal conservative) household and community, and became more left-leaning after university, I've become increasingly disappointed with the character of liberalism and progressives.

While, economically, I'll always seek a healthy balance between laissez-faire and interventionism, things like:

-Covering up the mass-sexual-assault incidents
-Flooding Europe and the US with third world immigrants
-Multiculturalism
-Completely misunderstanding the extent to which politics and religion are intertwined for most Muslims
-Faulting Charlie Hebdo for drawing Muhammad instead of terrorists for being animals
-Radical feminism, safe space, white cis-male privilege, etc etc
-Irrational gun hate

... have so thoroughly ruined progressivism for me that I'm not even sure I identify that way anymore. A lot of these things aren't just championed by 'radicals' or 'extremists' either. I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment. I think people like Bill Maher capture progressivism as it should be, reasonably, but sadly the whole thing seems to be evolving away from that, going down the toilet just like conservatism has since Reagan.Well I started out that way as well, but I eventually faced a paradigm shift in my life. Although too young to vote, I was around to see Carter at work, and I supported him, even to the point of debating pro Carter in my classroom while 90% of my fellow gen-X'ers there thought I was crazy for doing so. It wasn't until late-term Reagan I started to really shift, though I considered myself a "Reagan Democrat" through most of his administration.

As I look back from now to then, and in observation of the Democrat party to which it has become, I see less and less traditional Democrats, more leftist that really have hijacked that party (though much of the same in the Rep party as well). Even CPUSA endorsed Obama. Now waiting for slurs and tags to be thrown, but neither am I a "Republican", though I do vote for them if the voting is good. I've had wonderful debates with Republicans, really good stuff, but yet not really anything rational with anyone with the little "democrat" tag next to their name. I think most of the rational ones get scared off from the hijackers so thus keep silent. Agree on your points btw.

[Pokesan]

Well I started out that way as well, but I eventually faced a paradigm shift in my life. Although too young to vote, I was around to see Carter at work, and I supported him, even to the point of debating pro Carter in my classroom while 90% of my fellow gen-X'ers there thought I was crazy for doing so. It wasn't until late-term Reagan I started to really shift, though I considered myself a "Reagan Democrat" through most of his administration.

As I look back from now to then, and in observation of the Democrat party to which it has become, I see less and less traditional Democrats, more leftist that really have hijacked that party (though much of the same in the Rep party as well). Even CPUSA endorsed Obama. Now waiting for slurs and tags to be thrown, but neither am I a "Republican", though I do vote for them if the voting is good. I've had wonderful debates with Republicans, really good stuff, but yet not really anything rational with anyone with the little "democrat" tag next to their name. I think most of the rational ones get scared off from the hijackers so thus keep silent. Agree on your points btw.

dude next time you feel like writing a wall of text like this? just write "I'm a dumbass" and save us the seconds

[iruinedyourday]

You really hate Conservatives. Lets see what your amazing DEMs have done for us in the past.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt - Created the Welfare system and every Dem has used that atrocity to secure votes and keep people in poverty.

That system has millions of American's being comfortable sitting at home collecting money while everyone else pays for them.

awesome, glad someone wants to list democratic failures! But this first one, is STILL not a failure, it keeps many people that deserve the help that they are getting, in their homes and their children fed. Did you know the LARGEST abuser of the welfare system, is conservative champion... WALLMART!.. of course you knew that, but do you care? NO because of some insane reason, likely republican payed for & run media campaigns.

President Jimmy Carter - Stopped our money being backed by Gold and placed on the Fiat system. Nothing else needs to be said.

I would like for you to explain this in moe detail, but most importantly WHY is it a failure? (I created this thread to learn)

President Bill Clinton - Went to the Federal Reserve, AIG and other major lenders and told them to make it easier for people to get housing loans. So, what did this create. It had people getting housing loans for more than they could possibly pay back.

How is this possible??

You went to your local bank. You asked for a $400,000 loan for a house. The local bank knew you could only afford a house for $200,000 but gave you the 400k loan anyways. Why you ask?? Because the bank would immediately sell your mortgage loan to the Federal Reserve. So, when you defaulted it wouldn't be local bank out of money on that loan it fell on the Federal Reserve holding that mortgage.

This is what created the housing market crash! Not Bush.

This is the reason the economy was booming during Clinton. People were getting loans they couldn't afford because local banks did not have to worry about you defaulting on the loan.

ok you are incorrect here, but these are ALL claims ironically used in republican attack campaigns during every election cycle, but whats so glorious abou them is they wer used in SARA PALINS eleciton cycle, so lol way to go quoting some raelly great stuff here.

The truth is the housing crisis was caused by BI PARTISAN stuff.. yes, clinton pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.

but as damning as that is, bush equally is at fault for failing to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage backed market.

but who is to blame for americans buying more than they can afford? ALAN GREENSPAN! A... you guesed it, REPUBLICAN! In 2004 it was his assurance and encouragement that americans could continue to do this, causing the bubble to reach an all time high.

[Filthy_Pagan]

And like most progressives, he wont just stop. Even when he's defeated and knows he's wrong. Facts are fascist!

[iruinedyourday]

Actually imabout to see a spooky movie so I've got to sign out. Thanks for the info and thought folks. I'll try to arrange these facts and we'll see where we get that tommorwland.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Woodrow Wilson started prohibition.


Democrat CHECK

[Daywolf]

Actually imabout to see a spooky movie so I've got to sign out. bu bu but that movie Nixon (1995) I thought was pretty good ...considering it was a Stone movie and could have been worse. Not "spooky" at all.

Why is it Nixon got so busted for something that Obama did as well yet is such a hero nontheless in so many peoples eyes while they still scorn Nixon? :D

Why is it Bush was so scorned by some for the wars (me not saying good or bad here) yet while Obama kept them going for years and is considered a victorious conquer? Obama "I'm really good at killing people".

[Zugsmash]

awesome, glad someone wants to list democratic failures! But this first one, is STILL not a failure, it keeps many people that deserve the help that they are getting, in their homes and their children fed. Did you know the LARGEST abuser of the welfare system, is conservative champion... WALLMART!.. of course you knew that, but do you care? NO because of some insane reason, likely republican payed for & run media campaigns..


This has made it comfortable to be poor. Why should I have to work when I can get paid for being lazy and collecting a pay check from people that actually try to make a better life for themselves.

The States should take care of the unfortunate people not able to work for legitimate reasons. The burden of cost should not be on the Federal Government.



I would like for you to explain this in moe detail, but most importantly WHY is it a failure? (I created this thread to learn)..

DEMs fix to a hurting economy is tossing more money at it. Carter was not able to have the Federal Reserve print more bills to circulate into the economy because that would exceed the our Nations gold. The Fiat system allows the Federal Reserve to print as much money as they want.



ok you are incorrect here, but these are ALL claims ironically used in republican attack campaigns during every election cycle, but whats so glorious abou them is they wer used in SARA PALINS eleciton cycle, so lol way to go quoting some raelly great stuff here.

The truth is the housing crisis was caused by BI PARTISAN stuff.. yes, clinton pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.

but as damning as that is, bush equally is at fault for failing to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage backed market.

but who is to blame for americans buying more than they can afford? ALAN GREENSPAN! A... you guesed it, REPUBLICAN! In 2004 it was his assurance and encouragement that americans could continue to do this, causing the bubble to reach an all time high.

Alan Greenspan was trying his best. That housing beast was started in 1994-96 way before 2004. Everything after that was damage control. Federal reserve had already been taking a hit from thousands upon thousands of American's defaulting on the loans held by the Federal Reserve.


However, something HAS to change in our society. We need politicians held accountable. Starting with local government in your cities. We need people to want to better themselves and think outside the box. For to long millions of American's have sought and relied on the Government to fix their problems. If this continues being the norm..

The United States will be a once great Nation like Greece and Rome in the History books.

[Jorgam]

Special snowflakes, SJW cretins, Feminazi' and all other "Safe Space" loving bigots and idea-phobes best be on suicide watch for when Trump wins.

PC culture's stifling of the truth is coming to an end and as the prospect of the free ride ending and having to face reality gets more real, they're going to get even more unhinged, just like OP.

You suck and no political party can fix that.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Why is it Nixon got so busted for something that Obama did as well yet is such a hero nontheless in so many peoples eyes while they still scorn Nixon? :D


It definitely isn't racist libcucks ignoring it because of his ethnic background.

[Pokesan]

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[Pokesan]

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[Zugsmash]

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[Pokesan]

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[Lurikeen]

I wont counter that, I'll have to look into it more!


You should look into all your assertions. You will will find you are simply wrong.

NB: Nixon coined the term "war on drugs." He didn’t create that "war."

[mjbcb0717]

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[Big_Japan]

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[Blitzers]

no im not defeated, us leaving Iraq is not what caused ISIS us invading it is.

now that's been cleared up... twice.. lets move on.

First of all I am very pleased you are attempting to cite examples of progressive failures, even though you keep pulling for democratic ones, they are indeed as close to progressives as we get in mainstream politics.

However, the Iraqi resolution, AKA the Iraq Liberation Act has been cited as the reason they were able to develop weapons of mass destruction by GWB.

Let me repeat that... its been cited as the reason iraq... was able to create weapons of mass destruction...

Iraq was never able to create weapons of mass destruction, the Iraqi liberation act was not at fault for the iraqi war and finally only one person claims it is, George Bush.

so to that I say...

NEXT

You sir are definitely an infant.
If you want we can blame 9/11 since we would have never invaded Iraq if that didn't happen so let's blame Muslims.

If you haven't noticed, GWB was a progressive he wasn't conservative at all. IRUINEDYOURDAY your so buffaloed by the 2 party system you can't see who the progressives are. Bush/McCain/graham/McConnell/boehner all Progressives.

[Blitzers]

I would like to know why Bush isn't in Jail. He lied, he tortured. Why have no charges been filed by Obamas Justice dept. If we're going to stop the "government cronyism" then Bush should be in prison right now. This seems to be something Obama supporters were adamantly in favor of and now, no one cares. Let's start holding these unconstitutional bastards accountable. I'm willing to sacrifice Bush to get this fixed let's get this done.

[am0n]

On topic (unless racism is the new topic),...

Racism is always IRYD's topic. She has a boner for racism.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Racism is always IRYD's topic. She has a boner for racism.

A lot of people have fetishes involving made up things.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

A lot of people have fetishes involving made up things.

Like anime girls (Which TRUMP will make real!)

[Filthy_Pagan]

Like anime girls (Which TRUMP will make real!)

Well this is certainly giving me mixed feelings about the unstumpable god-emperor TRUMP.

I worry that my girlfriend and come to life waifu would not get along.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Well this is certainly giving me mixed feelings about the unstumpable god-emperor TRUMP.

I worry that my girlfriend and come to life waifu would not get along.

Whichever survives is clearly superior.

[Filthy_Pagan]

Whichever survives is clearly superior.

Solid point, kaga. I will reserve my seed for whoever has the superior genes and survival instinct to ensure high quality offspring.

Pras TRUMP

[nhdjoseywales]

Waste disposal is highly privatized - AKA your trashmen

you mean the industry run by the mafia?

[Pokesan]

rehost them to imgur bud, no other sites allowed

[captnamazing]

you're a lightweight if u consider anyone other than TRUMP

the man wants to build a wall

the great wall of America

where is your vision, ppl? the man wants to genocide entire cultures!!! He's truly a visionary... bernie sandler is just saying what the people want. "no corporate payoffs. no slavery. lower taxes on most and higher taxes on the high" he's a classic "speak first act second" kind of politician. he's known to support health care that is closer to communism than anything else. bernie sanders is a fucking quack who will sell America to China. you mark my words

all hail our new god king TRUMP

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

the man wants to genocide entire cultures!!!

Sauce

[Big_Japan]

Sauce

2nded. He's the best candidate but i dont think he's THAT good.

[Lurikeen]

Trump wants to lower taxes on the high and raise taxes on the low. Sounds like Obama... get stoned collect a gubberment check... get depressed from working so much and kill yourself paying taxes.

[Pokesan]

Since when? what if I'm too lazy to rehost? What if I want to just do a yahoo search through IE and paste whatever bullshit comes up first?

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