Oregon Militia ARRESTED

[Pokesan]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-standoff-20160126-story.html

looks like uncle sam got sick of the peaceful protesting and brought the Jew hammer down.

listen here for live updates for however long it lasts until it gets censored: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXbuP19AWDM

[Daywolf]

This would make Janet Reno proud.

[Pokesan]

tarps


http://i.imgur.com/b0603pD.png

[Pokesan]

i hesitate to believe lavoy is, not wait, was ,a real persons name, but here we are

http://i.imgur.com/FDMmTR9.png

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

We'll see what the actual evidence shows once its collected.

Though in response to those saying he had his hands up and was executed... they said the same about Michael Brown.

[Daywolf]

We'll see what the actual evidence shows once its collected.Typical white response. Racist!
Most agree, I saw it said he had his hands up and was shot in the face (said). Was he charging? If so, he was a moron. If not... Remember Kelly Thomas, but likely the outcome worse in this case.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." -Thomas Jefferson

"I have no problems with them occupying a federal building, nor law officers defending themselves. But when one or the other encroach on that freedom, hell to pay." -Daywolf

[Big_Japan]

All of the militia leaders caught on the road in one vehicle and arrested.

Poor leadership, poor opsec, confirmed idiot hillbillies.

[Daywolf]

All of the militia leaders caught on the road in one vehicle and arrested.

Poor leadership, poor opsec, confirmed idiot hillbillies.
That's because it's winter, not time to do such things. At least the libs know well enough to burn their own neighborhoods down in the middle of summer. Still, people will likely show up in protest, even driving now, a few. Wait until spring for anything substantial, if it was in the wrong there will be plenty of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vBGOrI6yBk

World needs more k9 heroes.

[Xaanka]

http://i.imgur.com/U5KBCq5.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

20 MINUTES LEFT TASK FORCE ON STANDBY

[AzzarTheGod]

URBAN ASSAULT VEHICLES JUST PULLED UP ON SITE.

HERE. WE. GO.

[Baler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsuH1msEkvM

[Filthy_Pagan]

So much for freedom.

But they were asking for it driving 70 miles out while under surveillance like that. The feds were just waiting to pounce on these proud, liberty loving americans.

[Sirken]

aw, i was hoping for the sumo match with Christie :(

[Pokesan]

UPDATE: they're all fat and retarded

[Sirken]

UPDATE: they're all fat and retarded

but for real, one of them was/is a sumo wrestling champion :)

[Pokesan]

but for real, one of them was/is a sumo wrestling champion :)

hahaha of course

[Pokesan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72MJLxSTiGM

media's been ordered to leave, that means they're coming to get us. they're gonna murder all of us, media are cowards. STAY AND SHOW THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH

[SamwiseRed]

When rednecks try to flex on trained agents. Yikes

[SamwiseRed]

All of the militia leaders caught on the road in one vehicle and arrested.

Poor leadership, poor opsec, confirmed idiot hillbillies.

Dude has a point.

[barrettdc1]

While this was an ill-planned event, I ask this. If the fed ever spiraled into totalitarian/martial law type territory would you all would cower beneath the heel of the government or stand up for what you believe is right?

[Filthy_Pagan]

While this was an ill-planned event, I ask this. If the fed ever spiraled into totalitarian/martial law type territory would you all would cower beneath the heel of the government or stand up for what you believe is right?

I've begun amassing a small armory waiting for the inevitable martial law swing that progressives and liberals are pushing for.


The government serves the people, and it needs to be reminded of it's position and purpose. Civilians outnumber government employees (including military) 14 to 1. A zerg could win if we could get enough people motivated. And as poorly trained as the army is, they'd run out of ammo well before they could kill us all. Hell, they'd probably start attacking eachother because they're a bunch of shit tier rednecks that were recruited from baptist churches.

Pras the constitution

[Pokesan]

While this was an ill-planned event, I ask this. If the fed ever spiraled into totalitarian/martial law type territory would you all would cower beneath the heel of the government or stand up for what you believe is right?

for this ridiculous hypothetical my plan is to get shot and die and be buried in a mass grave

[Huelath]

While this was an ill-planned event, I ask this. If the fed ever spiraled into totalitarian/martial law type territory would you all would cower beneath the heel of the government or stand up for what you believe is right?

i would obviously put on a mask and use alliteration to its fullest extent

[SamwiseRed]

I'd camp out til ago is cleared

[barrettdc1]

for this ridiculous hypothetical my plan is to get shot and die and be buried in a mass grave

I appreciate the honesty.

[Pokesan]

I appreciate the honesty.

same result as your plan without the delusions of grandeur :)

[Filthy_Pagan]

for this ridiculous hypothetical my plan is to get shot and die and be buried in a mass grave

http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Story-Military_Prepares_Mass_Graves

FEMA has been building mass grave sites since 2012. Each container holds about 40 corpses if I remember correctly.

[barrettdc1]

same result as your plan without the delusions of grandeur :)

I wasn't aware in my post I stated my "plan". I asked a question and you answered it.

[Pokesan]

I wasn't aware in my post I stated my "plan". I asked a question and you answered it.

all roads lead to rome

[Filthy_Pagan]

all roads lead to rome

I thought they all lead to Terrapin Station??


WHERE THE FUCK AM I HEADED

[barrettdc1]

all roads lead to rome

http://i.imgur.com/OGTEaTb.png

[barrettdc1]

I thought they all lead to Terrapin Station??


WHERE THE FUCK AM I HEADED

Terminus.

[Daywolf]

While this was an ill-planned event, I ask this. If the fed ever spiraled into totalitarian/martial law type territory would you all would cower beneath the heel of the government or stand up for what you believe is right?
Cast succor butcher of course.

[Fame]

rofl, no pleb with a few small arms is going to stand against the might of the US army, you kids watch too many movies

show of hands here, who has actually shot and killed anything with a projectile weapon?

[Filthy_Pagan]

rofl, no pleb with a few small arms is going to stand against the might of the US army, you kids watch too many movies

show of hands here, who has actually shot and killed anything with a projectile weapon?

o/

With enough people, anything is possible. But part of the plan is to send the plebs in first so that when the military is reloading, the actual sentient humans sweep in and deliver the crushing blow.

[barrettdc1]

rofl, no pleb with a few small arms is going to stand against the might of the US army, you kids watch too many movies

show of hands here, who has actually shot and killed anything with a projectile weapon?

You're under the impression the the US Military would have no problem firing upon US citizens. I don't think that would be the case. Maybe some would, but then again, we out number the entire military.

[barrettdc1]

Fuck y'all, Filthy Pagan and I are going to lead the charge.

[Fame]

You're under the impression the the US Military would have no problem firing upon US citizens. I don't think that would be the case. Maybe some would, but then again, we out number the entire military.

Did the US military not squash, plunder, pillage, burn and rape their way through the last rebellion lead by a bunch of under-educated rural hicks?

[Pokesan]

you vastly overestimate the courage of american citizens

[barrettdc1]

you vastly overestimate the courage of american citizens

Well, I know where you stand. You're a pussy.

[barrettdc1]

Did the US military not squash, plunder, pillage, burn and rape their way through the last rebellion lead by a bunch of under-educated rural hicks?

Source?

[Pokesan]

Source?

http://i.imgur.com/Zd8FKPa.jpg

[Daywolf]

Fuck y'all, Filthy Pagan and I are going to lead the charge.Here's not here

[barrettdc1]

Your argument doesn't hold water. Civil War vets are a laughable comparison to what I'm talking about. Nice try.

[Fame]

http://i.imgur.com/Zd8FKPa.jpg

;)

[Fame]

I would say the civil war is probably the only thing you could compare it to. You people don't seriously believe your rebellion against government is an original idea right?

[Filthy_Pagan]

Fuck y'all, Filthy Pagan and I are going to lead the charge.
Fuck yeah. Pras the Retarded God and pass the ammunition!
Did the US military not squash, plunder, pillage, burn and rape their way through the last rebellion lead by a bunch of under-educated rural hicks?

It would go down a lot differently when you've got the majority of the US in on it. Sort of how Socialism works in small countries like Norway, but not really in large countries like the US. Apples to oranges, friend.

Do you think the US would start unloading on everyone without the UN and a good portion of the rest of the planet calling shenanigans and doing the people's work for them? The US government would either a) get completely wiped by the rest of our species, or b) start firing off all our nukes and ultimately cause the human extinction event. Either way we win because the feds will be no more and we can begin to embrace the constitution once again.

[Fame]

I think we would go door to door snuffing and/or black bagging the trouble makers and the world would turn a blind eye to our crimes like every other time before. People like to think things are different during the days they live, but, they're not.

[Filthy_Pagan]

I think we would go door to door snuffing and/or black bagging the trouble makers and the world would turn a blind eye to our crimes like every other time before. People like to think things are different during the days they live, but, they're not.

You're right to a degree. It would be almost impossible to find every "trouble maker" and even harder to scrub the story from all news outlets. it would get out somehow.

The lynch pin though is convincing enough people to take a stand in stead of purchasing bumper stickers that show their support. Rebellions aren't won by adhesive and catchy slogans.

[Haynar]

you vastly overestimate the courage of american citizens

And underestimate their stupidity.

[Fame]

I'm with the rebellion, just don't see it playing out as some sort of dystopian civil war fantasy. If anything we'll wage guerrilla war against some lesser nation looking to exploit our vulnerability after a few more years of failed economic and social policies and then rebuild from there.

[nhdjoseywales]

http://i.imgur.com/Zd8FKPa.jpg

/thread

i own a lot of hardware. nothing in my safe is doing shit against a real APC. God forbid they actually involve the real military and not just the local militarized pd. If you think anything you have access to is going to stack up against even outdated military armor you are sadly deluded.

you also vastly overestimate the amount of sentiment similar to yours that exists. Trump supporters are loud, they are in no way a majority.

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm with the rebellion, just don't see it playing out as some sort of dystopian civil war fantasy. If anything we'll wage guerrilla war against some lesser nation looking to exploit our vulnerability after a few more years of failed economic and social policies and then rebuild from there.

in 400 years?

We are isolated. Who are you going to wage a guerilla war against? Mexico, Peru, and Brazil are hot on our heels I guess economically ready to exploit us.

Oh you meant guerilla war against an occupation of America. Yeah, back to that few hundred years thing then.

[Fame]

I'm pretty sure we're pipe dreaming here, 400 years sounds fine

[AzzarTheGod]

I think we would go door to door snuffing and/or black bagging the trouble makers and the world would turn a blind eye to our crimes like every other time before. People like to think things are different during the days they live, but, they're not.

Accurate.

Russia did it for a long time, and even post-communism they still successfully intimidate the trouble makers without inconveniencing the other tens of millions of businessmen and citizens.

This is how it will go, and its already started that way since the early 60's. Most of these guys don't know the history or even what happened last year lol.

As for the 2000's, well where is Rolling Stone journalist M-i-c-h-a-e-l Hastings today? Can you have him call me? Oh...

[SamwiseRed]

holy shit these guys are more retarded than i first suspected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KcgsrB720

video of them building a trench or some shit and shouting into the camera. i actually have no idea if this is legit but if it is, these guys are gonna get fuckin rekt.

[Big_Japan]

holy shit these guys are more retarded than i first suspected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KcgsrB720

video of them building a trench or some shit and shouting into the camera. i actually have no idea if this is legit but if it is, these guys are gonna get fuckin rekt.

The fire of patriotism burns bright in this one. Too bad the rest of you lack this energy.

[Pokesan]

holy shit these guys are more retarded than i first suspected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KcgsrB720

video of them building a trench or some shit and shouting into the camera. i actually have no idea if this is legit but if it is, these guys are gonna get fuckin rekt.

that's real. it's from their youtube channel DefendYourBase (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNe1Tr7EspiDNeeiJuXC5QA)

here's the original video on the DefendYourBase channel
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72MJLxSTiGM)

livestreamed earlier today. they're scheduled to go live again soon!

[iruinedyourday]

only patriot round these parts is me.

[SamwiseRed]

its funny watching fat people play army

[Dillian]

they are right though, no land is supposed to belong to the federal government. It is supposed to be the people's land. the BLM is charging people for using something they have a right to use. Its like me charging someone to use their freedom of speech. I see the point these guys are trying to make. If you dont stand up for your rights then the fed will walk right over you.

[Big_Japan]

they are right though, no land is supposed to belong to the federal government. It is supposed to be the people's land. the BLM is charging people for using something they have a right to use. Its like me charging someone to use their freedom of speech. I see the point these guys are trying to make. If you dont stand up for your rights then the fed will walk right over you.

Oh yeah, absolutely. This is how these guys were able to get as much support/fame as they did while being complete clowns.

Honestly, if you're in open armed revolt against the US government and you still can't get my respect, you should prolly just end it.

[Dillian]

can i join your church ?

[am0n]

/thread

i own a lot of hardware. nothing in my safe is doing shit against a real APC. God forbid they actually involve the real military and not just the local militarized pd. If you think anything you have access to is going to stack up against even outdated military armor you are sadly deluded.

you also vastly overestimate the amount of sentiment similar to yours that exists. Trump supporters are loud, they are in no way a majority.

I think some people in this thread also don't realize that for every person they think will join their rebellious militia, there is likely another that will side with our military to protect our country from y'all qaeda.

[Troxx]

its funny watching fat people play army

^

[blondeattk]

feeel sorry for americam being destroyed by the evil federalists.

evil scum (

interesting account of what happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vIsb991ybA

[Jarnauga]

Lol muricans

"Hey this building is owned by the government. I want it, let's take it so it can be mine and no one else's. Also don't come on my property (lol) or i'll shoot you"

2 days later

"OMG stop opressing me why you shoot me :("

Sounds a lot like these crazy feminists to me

[Troxx]

Bunch of people decided it was a good idea to arm themselves with firearms (assault rifles in some of the cases here) and "peacefully occupy" a piece of property that they don't own ... fortifying said property (that they do not own) while they "peacefully occupy". All while saying they will "defend" themselves?

I'm surprised there's only one casualty so far.

I expect will be more.

Hopefully they'll just be peacefully arrested and peacefully thrown in prison.

[Troxx]

Carrying their legally owned firearms illegally on property they don't own while digging trenches with industrial equipment.

you don't know about laws.

Lol

[SamwiseRed]

Ye after watching some of their live feed, I am really surprised they haven't all been slaughtered. Props to the agency's for having patience and not going balls to the wall on stupid people. They have an opportunity to abuse the fuck out of their power and so far have shown a lot of restraint. Probably because they are mostly white dumb red necks and have the attention of the public but nonetheless props. Dumb hillbillies need to surrender/leave immediately if they want still want to chance at living a normal life after this is all done and forgotten.

[iruinedyourday]

Ye after watching some of their live feed, I am really surprised they haven't all been slaughtered.

As much as I hate to say it you know if they weren't white that cabin would be

http://i.imgur.com/AeZbW7A.gif

[SamwiseRed]

I agree, being white and stupid has put them in a situation where they can come out of this alive and well.

[SamwiseRed]

And yea if these guys were black or muslim it would have been different too most likely. I will say that being fat, dumb, and what seems like untrained had more to do with this than skin color but maybe I am giving the gubbment too much credit.

[SamwiseRed]

Uh ya they Def learned a lesson from waco

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

As much as I hate to say it you know if they weren't white that cabin would be

http://i.imgur.com/AeZbW7A.gif

You're right. Thats why the feds showed up with miniguns and mowed down every BLM riot in stead of allowing the innocent baby angels to destroy entire towns.

They shot up the white people who were peacefully occupying, but not the frothing black hordes that burned ferguson to the ground.

I can't imagine what it would be like to be as racist as you, IRYD

A+ response. I was about to post something similar but re-quoting you seems more effective.

[Fame]

show of hands here, who has actually shot and killed anything with a projectile weapon?

[iruinedyourday]

Let's also talk about Waco and how the white people totally werent shot up and then burned to death inside a locked building they couldn't escape from.

yea lesson learned, but that lesson wouldnt have stopped em if they thought they were non whites in that cabin.

[iruinedyourday]

So you acknowledge waco, yet maintain that if they hadn't been white the feds would have blown up the cabin? Did you learn this remarkable ability to ignore reality to continue crying racism from reddit, or were you born with it?

I know your brain is overloading but try to calm down.

[Daywolf]

As much as I hate to say it you know if they weren't white that cabin would be
uh just no, in fact it's opposite. Not speaking of idealism but real-life actions, historically speaking. You're looking through the wrong end of the binoculars.

These guys were hurting no one. They did nothing seriously wrong to warrant such a response. The only party involved in this that has something to gain is whoever decided to escalate the situation to this (Such as Janet Reno did years ago), to give themselves an excuse to start some crazy war then start jack booting the rest of us, no matter what color your skin is.

[iruinedyourday]

wait, what's the opposite?

[iruinedyourday]

making a joke that leans left on p99 forums

http://i.imgur.com/3lOuwNv.gif

[Daywolf]

wait, what's the opposite?
Never heard of Janet Reno before? Or you just playing dumb? You know, burning women and children alive? There was no hands up don't shoot here where the turkey charged the pig to skewer him. How come you liberals didn't rush to the case of Kelly Thomas when he was brutally murdered? As he begged for his life while he was beat to death on the streets of Fullerton, Ca. Was a clear cut case there. Why didn't the cops/feds beat down the Black Panther members as they stood out in front of voting booths with nightsticks?

Truth is, such government agencies don't care about the color of your skin, everyone gets a beatdown. It's the fools that think it's all about racial issues, the ones these agencies hope to entice to some ethnic war or such; so they can continue to grab more power and put everyone under their boot.

[iruinedyourday]

Never heard of Janet Reno before? Or you just playing dumb? You know, burning women and children alive? There was no hands up don't shoot here where the turkey charged the pig to skewer him. How come you liberals didn't rush to the case of Kelly Thomas when he was brutally murdered? As he begged for his life while he was beat to death on the streets of Fullerton, Ca. Was a clear cut case there. Why didn't the cops/feds beat down the Black Panther members as they stood out in front of voting booths with nightsticks?

Truth is, such government agencies don't care about the color of your skin, everyone gets a beatdown. It's the fools that think it's all about racial issues, the ones these agencies hope to entice to some ethnic war or such; so they can continue to grab more power and put everyone under their boot.

so, a rash of unnecessary shootings against blacks, one single incident with whites and all the sudden they are educated calm and practiced at solving problems peacefully...

Gimi a break, honestly with all you fucking cry baby conservatives its gotten to the point where you need to look over your shoulder when you tell a racist joke, not because you are afraid of offending a black person, its so you wont have to hear 'racism isn't real you liberal bla bla bla' from the fucking triggered as fuck conservative.

just take it down a fucking notch for fucks sake and enjoy your life, you are not oppressed.

here you go, another thing for you bitches to be upset about and make 50 threads over: http://www.gamezone.com/news/game-developer-barbie-coming-this-summer-3432772

[Daywolf]

Gimi a break, honestly with all you fucking cry baby conservatives its gotten to the point where you need to look over your shoulder when you tell a racist joke, not because you are afraid of offending a black person, its so you wont have to hear 'racism isn't real you liberal bla bla bla' from the fucking triggered as fuck conservative.

uh-huh, yeah look at this ***** get the beatdown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkkLUP-gm4Q) for 1st amendment infractions, saying something they didn't like. Because of course, the 1st amendment ends when you say something that gets someone else uncomfortable. Beat down time!

That's all these guys did on Oregon, talk, until beatdown time came. If occupying were such a crime, the streets of NY should have run red with Blood in the recent past. The difference isn't color, but what the thought police deem acceptable or not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

[AzzarTheGod]

Uh ya they Def learned a lesson from waco

You don't know the half of it.

The armored vehicles were used to destroy perimeter fencing and outbuildings and crush cars belonging to the Branch Davidians. Armored vehicles repeatedly drove over the grave of Branch Davidian Peter Gent despite protests by the Branch Davidians and the negotiators. Two of the three water storage tanks on the roof of the main building had been shot at and holed in the initial ATF raid. Eventually the FBI cut all power and water to the compound, forcing those inside to survive on rain water

So tell us what did "they" learn? That is just the tip of the iceberg.

Where is the learning?

The FBI Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) was headed by HRT Commander Richard Rogers, who had previously been criticized for his actions during the Ruby Ridge incident. As at Ruby Ridge, Rogers often overrode the Site Commander at Waco and had mobilized both the Blue and Gold HRT tactical teams to the same site, which ultimately created pressure to resolve the situation tactically due to lack of HRT reserves.

Same trigger man as Ruby Ridge, doing the same mistakes at Waco with his boss also telling him to defy orders and ignore rules of engagement. Nothing changed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

This guy started the fire at Waco, murdering 76 people and countless women and children. He did not receive a reprimand. He laughed it off, and remained employed.

He also killed a mother and her children at Ruby Ridge just a year earlier for standing outside at their cabin. Not much learning? Lot of trigger pulling and slanted un-American treacherous eyesight, learning? Not so much.

Go sit down on this one..

[Dillian]

The only reason you hear about blacks being shot so much is because that is what the media is covering. I bet day to day more white people get shot then blacks. The media is choosing its flavor to report. Its what people are looking for.

[iruinedyourday]

man the number of people here who are upset about the allegation that the police are able to justify attacking a black person over a white person is very fucking high.

[AzzarTheGod]

Never heard of Janet Reno before? You know, burning women and children alive?

I came in and kicked neck for you pal. These guys don't respect human life, they only respect race agendas.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

man the number of people here who are upset about the allegation that the police are able to justify attacking an actively violent criminal over a peaceful protester is very fucking high.

I wonder why.

[iruinedyourday]

I wonder why.

me too why do you become the exact replica of the thing you hate when its posts you disagree with?

[AzzarTheGod]

U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno approved recommendations by the FBI to mount an assault, after being told that conditions were deteriorating and that children were being abused inside the compound.

Except nobody was being abused.

During the siege, the FBI sent a video camera to the Branch Davidians. In the video tape made by Koresh's followers, Koresh introduced his children and his "wives" to the FBI negotiators

Several Branch Davidians made statements in the video. On day nine, Monday March 8, the Branch Davidians sent out the video tape to show the FBI that there were no hostages, but in fact everyone seemingly was staying inside on their own free will.

The negotiators' log showed that—when the tape was reviewed—there was concern that the tape's release to the media would gain sympathy for Koresh and the Branch Davidians


Janet Reno's reason for approving the final gas attack varied from her initial claim that the FBI had told her that Koresh was sexually abusing children and beating babies (the FBI later denied evidence of child abuse during the standoff) to her claim that Linda Thompson and her one-woman "Unorganized Militia of the United States" was on the way to Waco to aid or attack Koresh.


Completely. Batshit. Crazy. Linda Thompson was on her way so they had to burn everyone to death with tank fire (the tanks fired special rounds to start the fire)

The FBI sold her out, confirmed no child abuse lol. I bet the race baiters swallowed up that Linda Thompson strawman like it was vitamins.

Reason for mass slaughter and violence debunked by her own crew.

If this was football, I'd be scoring touchdowns. Its the circus though, I see some tough race baiter clowns.

You back Reno, you are subhuman at this point.

[Daywolf]

man the number of people here who are upset about the allegation that the police are able to justify attacking a black person over a white person is very fucking high.
You just don't get it, do you? You should try taking off those racially charged tinted glasses and actually read what people are writing and in the context of the conversation. You asked "what", you got an answer, now you want to twist things into something else since there is just no rational defense in your ideology.

"United we stand divided we fall" -Aesop
No time in recent history has the US been so divided as this time here and now, as the great uniter (Obama) turned out to be the great divider.

[Pokesan]

thanks obama

[AzzarTheGod]

No time in recent history has the US been so divided as this time here and now, as the great uniter (Obama) turned out to be the great divider.

He copped to it, and admitted he was a divider in chief in the last State of the Union.

No other president would have manned up and admitted it and apologized, I give him that.

[iruinedyourday]

You just don't get it, do you? You should try taking off those racially charged tinted glasses and actually read what people are writing and in the context of the conversation. You asked "what", you got an answer, now you want to twist things into something else since there is just no rational defense in your ideology.

"United we stand divided we fall" -Aesop
No time in recent history has the US been so divided as this time here and now, as the great uniter (Obama) turned out to be the great divider.

dude you are WAY too invested in something that doesn't matter to you at all. Fuck man think about your druid more and roleplay being a wolf, it suits you better.

[Daywolf]

dude you are WAY too invested in something that doesn't matter to you at all. Fuck man think about your druid more and roleplay being a wolf, it suits you better.
I'd be floored if you actually responded with something other than utter nonsense. Don't tase me, bro! :rolleyes:

[Pokesan]

I'm sure most of the people who dislike Obama have very cogent criticisms and understanding of his policies.

[iruinedyourday]

I'd be floored if you actually responded with something other than utter nonsense. Don't tase me, bro! :rolleyes:

dude what's the point, anything I can say you will immediately use your predecided mind to just attack and call me a stupid liberal.

You are all outraged on every level and you let it cloud your judgment to not only A. be able to laugh at a joke but B. be able to even admit that maybe someone who disagrees with you might have some valid point about anything.

Look I get it, you think that people aren't racist or that racism doesn't guide decisions of anyone ever.

All im saying is you guys let the idea that I'm on an alternate side of the political spectrum remove any ability you might have to take away anything positive from any of my posts. So why do you need me to try to argue with you so bad?

That alone should illustrate that there is a group just like you in the police force that operates differently when a black person says or does anything than when a white person does.

What the fuck do you want from me? Do you want me to fucking write a fucking TED talk on the effects of subtle racism?

Take it down a notch it's a video game forum, why are you so upset?

[Big_Japan]

The only reason you hear about blacks being shot so much is because that is what the media is covering. I bet day to day more white people get shot then blacks. The media is choosing its flavor to report. Its what people are looking for.

Blacks are actually killed by police at a rate lower than that of Whites when you adjust for the dramatically higher rate at which blacks commit crimes. I'll say that again: although a larger percentage of the black population dies to police than the White population, that percentage doesn't scale to meet the increased contributions of blacks to crime in the United States!

The rate at which blacks die to police doesn't even scale to match the increased criminality of American blacks, let alone exceed it!

Obviously, dying to police is partly a function of how often you earn an encounter with the police, so an adjustment for the rate at which a given population encounters police is one that must be made before any real assessment of the 'systemic racism' in our justice system can be made.

But the ultimate conclusion to be made from the stats is that, individual-per-individual, White criminals are more likely to die to police than black ones. If that's the case, how much of a scarlet letter can black skin really be?

This is the same stupidity we see with the wage gap myth and 'unequal representation' at the Oscars. Outcomes for all races and genders must line up statistically or systemic bigotry is automatically to blame, even if those outcomes are actually being altered by the personal decisions made by the populations in question (eg. become a stay at home wife of your own free choice and you contribute to the "wage gap"; 50% of black population is an unemployed criminal which must somehow be the fault of police even if they are demonstrably resorting to lethal force with blacks less often than with their White criminal counterparts)

Unequal outcomes != systemic oppression. Rise above your birth circumstances or perish in your own filth. Isn't that the American way?

[iruinedyourday]

I think what people are upset about bigJ is that innocent black people are shot more than white criminals overall.

[Pokesan]

whats the formula for adjusting these stats what does that even mean

[Pokesan]

are you saying all crimes should carry an immediate death sentence

[AzzarTheGod]

Blacks are actually killed by police at a rate lower than that of Whites when you adjust for the dramatically higher rate at which blacks commit crimes. I'll say that again: although a larger percentage of the black population dies to police than the White population, that percentage doesn't scale to meet the increased contributions of blacks to crime in the United States!


Blacks this, blacks that. Blacks hit me with a wiffle ball bat.

[Big_Japan]

I think what people are upset about bigJ is that innocent black people are shot more than white criminals overall.

Considering the fact that police killing kangaroo courts almost never rule police homicide unjustified, I am highly suspicious that you can provide any source that actually confirms this. How many killings of Americans by police have been confirmed innocent people in the last year? Can ya name even one?

The observation you are making is anecdotal and taken from a narrative shaped by the likes of Soros. This is the problem with letting TV shape your perception instead of fact.

[iruinedyourday]

oh IM the one making anecdotal observations....

http://i.imgur.com/nbOhNe7.jpg

[Big_Japan]

whats the formula for adjusting these stats what does that even mean

are you saying all crimes should carry an immediate death sentence

I'm saying that if you are trying to prove that criminal suspects are dying at the hands of police at a rate which varies based solely on racial lines, you need to be able to demonstrate a difference along those racial lines after controlling for the other variables. The #1 variable to control for is the differential rate at which individuals of each race encounter police. The rate at which a population encounters law enforcement is at least partly a function of the criminality of the population in question.

After controlling for that single variable, the supposed poh-leez racism is not only shown to not exist, but an effect slightly in the opposite direction of the proposed police are in the street murdering black people!!! is demonstrated to appear, with White individuals actually dying more often per unit criminality than black individuals.

Obviously, I am not a fan of police killing people in the street and I am highly skeptical of the innocence of any officer whose actions end the life of a civilian. I still acknowledge that a certain rate of police homicide is justified and inevitable if LEO are to keep themselves safe, as they have a right to do.

[Pokesan]

could you post the adjusted figures for how many blacks should be killed by police, based on encounter rate?

[Big_Japan]

could you post the adjusted figures for how many blacks should be killed by police

orange gets to live

https://i.imgur.com/wHF2bv4.png

[Pokesan]

lol

i forgot what a drag sincere posting is. nevermind.

[Big_Japan]

lol

i forgot what a drag sincere posting is. nevermind.

character broken, rustle confirmed

i made up that thing about the stats completely just btw there is no documentation to back it up :cool:

(although there might be if my intuition is as good as it seems)

[Pokesan]

i laughed at your response fwiw!

[Big_Japan]

"per unit criminality", come on bro u took that serious? lol

what a win this was

[Big_Japan]

just fyi for all of you, the pie chart i posted is the only thing i am dead serious about so far ITT

[Daywolf]

He copped to it, and admitted he was a divider in chief in the last State of the Union.

No other president would have manned up and admitted it and apologized, I give him that.
I re-reviewed it, I didn't hear apology, just the mention of regret and to try harder. It also came with a "but" while pointing at others. And really, I'm not speaking of bipartisanism, that has been more the cry of the liberal when they want something to go their way and so use it to point fingers at any that would disagree with them. If he were sorry though, he could try to do something about it, not just talk. This is his remaining year in office, and as with any president, they tend to worry more about their legacy and what they can say to fix all the damage they willfully caused.

More of the social aspect was on mind as a reply to the context. Obama certainly didn't apologize for "stains the heart of black children" when addressing the Michael Brown incident. If Michael Brown had been a clear cut racially charged murder, why does it only effect black children? This sort of slant commentary has been played again and again by these politicians, dividing the country in which really only the politicians find gain for themselves therein. But I appreciate the reply.

[iruinedyourday]

I would love for Bigj to post ONE source where it shows actual numbers of deaths of people by police or in police custody that suggest he isn't just recycling some bullshit facebook post he saw once.

[Big_Japan]

I would love for Bigj to post ONE source where it shows actual numbers of deaths of people by police or in police custody that suggest he isn't just recycling some bullshit facebook post he saw once.

actually i was just repeating something i heard come from the mouth of a Jew. roughly the same thing, I'll give this one to you.

I bet if I actually looked up the evidence it would correspond perfectly with my preconception tho.

[iruinedyourday]

I would love for Bigj to post ONE source where it shows actual numbers of deaths of people by police or in police custody that suggest he isn't just recycling some bullshit facebook post he saw once.

[Big_Japan]

you can tell he's uncomfortable about being caught with no reading comprehension

requotes himself to let his own stinker hang in the air. what a masochist

[iruinedyourday]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2176764&postcount=128

[Big_Japan]

http://tinyurl.com/j84wqhb

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.imgur.com/tArodMS.png

[Fame]

I bet if I actually looked up the evidence it would correspond perfectly with my preconception tho.

Science

[Daywolf]

What the fuck do you want from me? Do you want me to fucking write a fucking TED talk on the effects of subtle racism?

Take it down a notch it's a video game forum, why are you so upset?Upset? Who's upset? You're upset? Not me. I feel pretty laid back actually. Just tapping keys with researched replies while waiting for the dinner hour to get here. You sir, sort of do write like you're on the edge of a meltdown, though :o
How was that scary movie by the way? Nixon was an animal, wasn't he!? :D

Look I get it, you think that people aren't racist or that racism doesn't guide decisions of anyone ever. uh-huh... :rolleyes:
Not sure how you get that out of my posts. I seem to keep sounding the same gong over and over, that it's not indicative of any one specific demography. How many times should I mention that certain people, or certain politicians, actually gain increased power by turning one group of people against another, especially along racial lines. A "racist" isn't necessarily the first person to yell it loud enough, it comes in all forms, even by those that sling the tag at others.

Anyway, as I've said it before in this forum in times past, there really is only one race, the human-race. But that is a terrible thought for some (not directed at you) because such thinking limits the ability to crate division and grab power.

[Pokesan]

the death of an American hero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjl1hefqqWI

eh you guys are busy, here's a timestamp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjl1hefqqWI#t=05m30s

[SamwiseRed]

all those tuff patriots scrambled this morning lel. only 4 of them left? yesterday the fatone was telling people to kill any cops who prevent them from getting here now they are trying to plea with the fbi. dumb fat hillbilles never believed in a revolution. they just wanted to live out a fantasy.

[iruinedyourday]

Upset? Who's upset? You're upset? Not me. I feel pretty laid back actually. Just tapping keys with researched replies while waiting for the dinner hour to get here. You sir, sort of do write like you're on the edge of a meltdown, though :o
How was that scary movie by the way? Nixon was an animal, wasn't he!? :D

uh-huh... :rolleyes:
Not sure how you get that out of my posts. I seem to keep sounding the same gong over and over, that it's not indicative of any one specific demography. How many times should I mention that certain people, or certain politicians, actually gain increased power by turning one group of people against another, especially along racial lines. A "racist" isn't necessarily the first person to yell it loud enough, it comes in all forms, even by those that sling the tag at others.

Anyway, as I've said it before in this forum in times past, there really is only one race, the human-race. But that is a terrible thought for some (not directed at you) because such thinking limits the ability to crate division and grab power.


All I said is if that cabin was not full of white men, it would have been insert.gif

Then you have replied to me upset 19 times so far. With research apparently? lol wut?

I don't even know what your fucking researching or why you would require research to respond to my fucking gif

Take a breath and calm down yikes

[Daywolf]

All I said is if that cabin was not full of white men, it would have been insert.gif

Then you have replied to me upset 19 times so far. With research apparently? lol wut?

I don't even know what your fucking researching or why you would require research to respond to my fucking gif

Take a breath and calm down yikesYou should try that tactic on noob posters, those that tend to just hang around in ghettobook and don't know the silly tricks of forum debating as all else is lost.

[Big_Japan]

the death of an American hero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjl1hefqqWI

eh you guys are busy, here's a timestamp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjl1hefqqWI#t=05m30s

lol, look at that cop deliberately jump in front of the speeding vehicle to create a pretense for any aggressive violence done. he's getting a promotion.

[Big_Japan]

i just can't get over how fucking incompetent you would have to be to send the LEADERS of your openly revolting Waco style sovereign militia out on a public road together. Public roads are Uncle Sam's dominion in every single respect. Hell, without public roads, zog enforcers have almost no recourse to harass you other than firing tank shells into your compound full of civilians.

Are you telling me there were no helping hands who could have picked up cheetohs from the nearest convenience store instead?

Has anyone heard any claimed inside stories yet as to why the fuck these idiots were out getting caught in a roadblock?

[SamwiseRed]

ye this thing was fail on so many levels.

[Big_Japan]

Yeah, im starting to think this was propaganda. No self respecting pseudo-militaristic group would be so foolish as to a) send their leadership out unprotected or b) have their leadership all in once place like that. Poor form, old chaps.

Well, there's always the possibility that the feds lured them out with some kind of convincing disinfo. If that's the case I have slightly more sympathy depending on the nature of the delivery.

Maybe their cellular internet started loading a redirected drudgereport that said nuclear war was wiping out the West coast or something.

[SamwiseRed]

prob lured them out with donuts and nra stickers.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Well, there's always the possibility that the feds lured them out with some kind of convincing disinfo. If that's the case I have slightly more sympathy depending on the nature of the delivery.

Maybe their cellular internet started loading a redirected drudgereport that said nuclear war was wiping out the West coast or something.

The story is that there was a nearby townhall meeting that was going to let them tell their side of the story and that's what baited them out.

[Big_Japan]

The story is that there was a nearby townhall meeting that was going to let them tell their side of the story and that's what baited them out.

Playing at revolution when you don't even understand enough to properly fear the capabilities of the force you are rebelling against. These guys really are Fox News militiamen.

This country is doomed.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm sure what triggered it was one of you faggots in there said 'I'm not gonna take it anymore!" And ran out to try to mace quest me.

[Big_Japan]

how much you want to bet the guy with hands raised shot by zogbot in the snow believes israel is our greatest ally and godless liberal democrats taking muh 2nd amendment are the #1 threat to freedum?

[Dillian]

the death of an American hero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjl1hefqqWI

eh you guys are busy, here's a timestamp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjl1hefqqWI#t=05m30s

what were those flames shooting intermittently after lavoy was shot. that seems strange.

[iruinedyourday]

what were those flames shooting intermittently after lavoy was shot. that seems strange.

That is what happens when you kill freedom

[Dillian]

i mean really WTF was that. there was something going on on the driver side that cant be seen and a flame shoots up about 5 second after he was shot, then 5 seconds after that a second flame ball flashes a bunch and shoots up.

[Dillian]

man that is weird, i just keep replaying that part over and over again

[Daywolf]

what were those flames shooting intermittently after lavoy was shot. that seems strange.
likely flashbang

[Big_Japan]

ya those were flashbangs guaranteed, or possibly an optical effect created on cameras when Zion manipulates the matrix into ppl having bullets pass through them

[Troxx]

all those tuff patriots scrambled this morning lel. only 4 of them left? yesterday the fatone was telling people to kill any cops who prevent them from getting here now they are trying to plea with the fbi. dumb fat hillbilles never believed in a revolution. they just wanted to live out a fantasy.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

There was no revolution when Snowden exposed the NSA, there will never be a revolution.

[Daywolf]

There was no revolution when Snowden exposed the NSA, there will never be a revolution.
Hmm? It's been going on for over a year now. It's been happening at the voting booth. It's been and still is. People are pissed *shrugs*

[Big_Japan]

Hmm? It's been going on for over a year now. It's been happening at the voting booth. It's been and still is. People are pissed *shrugs*

yup Bernie's political revolution is sweeping the nation

[AzzarTheGod]

Let's take a moment to really take in the gravity of firing into a building of unarmed civilians with a fucking tank

Lets take another moment to take in the gravity of the mainstream media not reporting that Bradley tanks (from Iraq, literally fresh out of Iraq in the Gulf war) fired on American soil, American women, and children many of them babies without just cause.

CNN jumped at the chance to misreport that Chris Dorner had access to an AT-4 anti-tank rocket launcher system?

But when Zog makes a mistake, details disappear from your television. Bad for business I guess hehe :)

Bill Clinton is a very smart man for side-stepping the issue, making sure to wash his hands completely ala biblical Pontius Pilot. Knowing when to check your ego as commander-in-chief and kick back is as alpha dog as it gets. "Janet, if you think this is the right thing to do, then do it. It is your decision". I respect that man's political savvy.

So what did we learn Samwise? Never give a woman final say?

[iruinedyourday]

Remember when they burnt Chris Dorner in that cabin and were waiting to find the body in the rubble afterwards before they confirmed it? I was kinda disappointed when they did find it that it didn't turn out to be the police chief's tied to a chair instead that in a dramatic twist of fate introduced the worlds first super villain.

[AzzarTheGod]

Pretty obvious that boy knew something/had some type of voice and lost the right to be captured alive by the LAPD. I watched the scanner and helicopter stream of the standoff. Judge Dredd held court in the street. They said "Burn the fucker!" over the radio or something very close to that effect I recall.

Dorner was a misguided scumbag, but two wrongs don't make a right. Can't get down with extrajudicial actions, even if hes done the stuff Dorner did. Gotta respect the system, no matter what. Its there for a reason.

[AzzarTheGod]

what were those flames shooting intermittently after lavoy was shot. that seems strange.

What am I missing? He had his hands up?

Any link to FBI official statement without digging through BS?

[Ranndom]

All of the militia leaders caught on the road in one vehicle and arrested.

Poor leadership, poor opsec, confirmed idiot hillbillies.

They were contacted and told to meet somewhere for peace talks. On the way, they were stopped where one guy was shot. LaVoy got back in the vehicle and ran. They obviously expected this because they had a drone watching, a roadblock already set up, and a piece of shit hiding in the woods. They even opened fire on the people still sitting inside LaVoy's vehicle DOING NOTHING. This was premeditated murder in every sense of the word.

[Ranndom]

ya those were flashbangs guaranteed, or possibly an optical effect created on cameras when Zion manipulates the matrix into ppl having bullets pass through them

Flashbangs, shortly after killing LaVoy they opened fire on the passengers of the vehicle simply because they could.

[iruinedyourday]

lol welcome to the real world

[Ranndom]

Yeah, im starting to think this was propaganda. No self respecting pseudo-militaristic group would be so foolish as to a) send their leadership out unprotected or b) have their leadership all in once place like that. Poor form, old chaps.

They were contacted and told to meet somewhere for peace talks. Hope got the best of them

[iruinedyourday]

boy I hope they give us this gift shop and the crappy road we built!

http://i.imgur.com/B0wld.gif

[Lictor]

Did the Feds kill a white person? I hope so, I've been waiting for an excuse to riot the local liquor store to restock. They don't take ebt cards there!! The nerve of some stores denying my hard earned cashy money !

[Pokesan]

Did the Feds kill a white person? I hope so, I've been waiting for an excuse to riot the local liquor store to restock. They don't take ebt cards there!! The nerve of some stores denying my hard earned cashy money !

what point do you think you're making?

[SamwiseRed]

i just threw a brick thru a window in honor of my fallen white brother. jk the dude died doing what he loved, being an idiot.

[Pokesan]

morning update from the refuge. brekky looks alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYqaZiPYv8

[Big_Japan]

They were contacted and told to meet somewhere for peace talks. On the way, they were stopped where one guy was shot. LaVoy got back in the vehicle and ran. They obviously expected this because they had a drone watching, a roadblock already set up, and a piece of shit hiding in the woods. They even opened fire on the people still sitting inside LaVoy's vehicle DOING NOTHING. This was premeditated murder in every sense of the word.

I don't see how the presence of a roadblock up the road from the standoff proves there was a premeditated engagement there at all. I'm sure there was 24 hour surveillance and ability to immediately intercept any traffic in that area during the standoff, and plenty of men lurking in the woods at relevant posts. That drone, or a rotation of drones at least, had surely been keeping aerial surveillance nonstop for days already. I'm not saying it wasn't premeditated, I'm just saying using that line of reasoning makes it really obvious you don't understand how a high-profile, high-stakes standoff like this works even in the abstract. I sincerely doubt the FBI and local law enforcement have been sparing expense on basic matters like aerial surveillance and control of relevant roads at the risk of losing control of a very volatile PR situation that could potentially detonate any career it touched.

That said, still zero sympathy for the "zog promised us peace talks! whoda thunk they are underhanded enough to ambush us!!!!" line of passing the blame. If a maneuver like this is coming as a surprise to you, you are too stupid to protect yourself muh 2nd amendment or no. This embarrassment is what happens when you give blind television watchers a small taste of the knowledge that they are being exploited. Such well-intentioned but worthless individuals are better expended in a combat theater organized by more capable men than left to represent their people like buffoons.

[AzzarTheGod]

Still not convinced this isn't a false flag (with real casualties).

That was definitely a premeditated setup at the roadblock, he had his hands up.

The vehicle tried to stop, brake lights on, the guy swerved to AVOID crashing into anyone. An agent dove into the front of the car to justify the provocation of lethal force after the truck had already swerved, the officer can be seen diving TOWARDS the vehicle.

Not lookin good. The militia is retarded but that doesn't mean these pals deserved a provocation.

Could have easily surrounded the area ( as it is now, 100% surrounded ) so resupply is impossible.

Smells like a possible false flag ala Lon Horiuchi. You get some hot triggers and real mass murderers together, put em on the roadblock team and let the sparks fly. Militia looks crazy, Feds look strong. Win/win.

[Big_Japan]

The vehicle tried to stop, brake lights on, the guy swerved to AVOID crashing into anyone. An agent dove into the front of the car to justify the provocation of lethal force after the truck had already swerved, the officer can be seen diving TOWARDS the vehicle.

Not lookin good.
Oh yeah for sure. That clip of the pig jumping in front of the vehicle (well the whole raw footage actually) is tucked away in the faraday caged RAID. I'll be prepared when it gets memory holed like Cheney defending using BDSM on dunecoons on Fox.

[AzzarTheGod]

I'll be prepared when it gets memory holed like Cheney defending using BDSM on dunecoons on Fox.

Just 1? Didn't we memory hole the entire Cheney vice presidency?

Paging Stratfor to confirm the deed is done.

[Daywolf]

Protesters vs. counter-protesters Feb 1. Burns Oregon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXtOre_7YWo