Eve Online

[Tongpow]

Citadel expansion is looking pretty dope gents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCfCHWRlebw

good time to get involved returning player or new.




what i do now instead of waiting for dragons to spawn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ghetPRZugs

[Filthy_Pagan]

My dad plays this game pretty obsessively. He's always telling me about how many billions of isk he made in his last venture, the latest drone upgrade or missile pod he added to his navy issue scorpion, or how he narrowly escaped being ambushed at a warp gate by space pirates.

I'd definitely try it out, but the idea of spending days to months training single skills, or having to mine ore for months before I can afford a decent ship sort of makes me shy away from it.

[Uuruk]

Hi my name is SamWise and the mailman fucked my wife.

Thank you

[Filthy_Pagan]

says the welsch guy who gets cucked by sheep

[Ames1]

Hi my name is SamWise and the mailman fucked my wife.

Thank you

You spelled your location incorrectly. It has two ll's, not one. You are welcome.

[Daywolf]

the latest drone upgrade or missile pod he added to his navy issue scorpionhaz but pref CNR over navy scorp, at least for a mission boat. Hawk is the best though, but a bit screwed lately since power creep with t3 dessys. They really botched that bad imo. CCP has this balance problem, anything new is way OP making systems you trained months for... well trash. At least I didn't get into industry hehehe. If you like teh pew, and like EVE, get yourself X3:TC to start - when it goes on sale (or sooner), wont regret it.

Lately haz been getting my fix off of X series. You can even mod in EVE ships. They even fixed up rebirth with the many many updates it needed, not too bad. If you like teh pew, and EVE, get youtself X3:TC or X Rebirth, wont regret it.

[Tongpow]

I'd definitely try it out, but the idea of spending days to months training single skills, or having to mine ore for months before I can afford a decent ship sort of makes me shy away from it.

the skills thing, and mining rocks are basically fucking memes and stereotypes and have always been such. waiting for skills to finish training can be not fun there is generally this spot a couple months in when you go " oh fuck " when stuff starts to slow down abit but u can still have alot of fun

i only have 3 million skill points (you start the game with 500,000 skillpoints so im like 2.5months in or so on this new account) and i haven't had this much fun playing a video game in years you can fly a tackle frigate after like 4hours after you install the game and be having a fucking blast in a big fleet fight 50-200people in nullsec AND as a fucking newbie they let you loot the battlefield after the fight i make more fucking money in 5mins looting than a mental cripple in safe space makes mining rocks for hours

join one of the nullsec newbie groups Horde,Karmafleet..etc and leave hisec as fast as you can and ignore the fucking tutorial its garbage and you can do this shit on the trial account also without paying anything to see if u like it

*drops the mic*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYrQler8Ajs

[Daywolf]

big fleet fight 50-200people in nullsec Muh I botch edited my last post, edit was acting nuts, didn't mean to repeat. But anyway, bigger fights than that. More like thousand people or more going at it for hours and hours. Lag? oh yeah... well they use tidi now, which is time dilation, where everything slows down, even to a snails pace. Then there are other things to do w/o all the crazy drama from null alliances. hah reminds me... this is funny (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmS9vcVNr5A) (warning: language... whining, tears)
Yup lol

I wouldn't suggest skipping the tutorial, not unless you have someone standing over your shoulder teaching you how to play. And the tutorial isn't even enough, then you best do the career agent missions. Still years into the game you will be trying to wrap you head around things. EVE is the most complicated game you will ever play, the most outdated game wiki you will ever find, it's no joke it's referred to as Spreadsheets Online.

[Tongpow]

the old tutorial was better, there is a new one now its kinda weird it doesn't even tell you about career agents you gotta be told about it in the rookie chat, eve-uni wiki + youtube videos seems to be a good approach

just know there is a place where someone will stand over your shoulder in a way we get brand spanking new players down in Horde staging system that don't even know what a stargate is and get a 1 on 1 mentor thing going over mumble and fleets that are just newbies + 1 fc who will who teach them http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Pandemic_Horde

many low member count, high skill point groups around us are learning first hand how utterly fucking terrifying a horde of organized newbros can be in fleet engagements while we take their r64,r32 money making moons and burning capital ship wrecks as scalps in our radius of destruction

it depends what role you enjoy in the giant machine that is the sandbox for me it's just being a line member pvp pilot a cog in the war machine that requires no spreadsheet.

other people mine the rocks, other people build my ships, other people theory craft how it should be equipped, other people fit them via doctrine standards i just live die live again madmax style while yelling allah akbar at our enemies

https://zkillboard.com/character/95996677/


hah reminds me... this is funny (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmS9vcVNr5A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzn-fzimxpU

keep...calm..and we'll win.......
eve lost a great man when Elo quit

[captnamazing]

Hi my name is SamWise and the mailman fucked my wife.

Thank you

nice meme very creamy

[Daywolf]

the old tutorial was better, there is a new one now its kinda weird it doesn't even tell you about career agents you gotta be told about it in the rookie chat, eve-uni wiki + youtube videos seems to be a good approach

eh no, too complicated, most can't just jump in and head out to all this action like you say, that not EVE at all. There is a most serious learning curve, even to sit there in your newbie ship for 30 minutes just trying to figure out how to move and turn.

Yes the old tutorial was better, but as CCP tends to do they take something good and make it suck, sometimes just suck really bad in fact. After the new tutorial, new players sticking around dropped significantly. So they started to make these phony video commercials recently, just like they did before with the "bounty hunter profession" that didn't even exist and still doesn't to this day (a lot of community backlash over that) except in some phony video. CCP LOVES hype, even when it's not remotely true of the game.

In fact each tutorial tends to get worse. Years ago, like 6 or 7 years ago (yeah been playing long time) the tutorial would actually talk to you, Aura, sexy British chick voice, and the tutorial worked really well. Now it's just some points of interest thing, hardly even a tutorial. So they give newbies cheap crap to make them feel like they are special and have a future in the game, bribe. And really, you learn the most early on by doing the career agent missions, which they haven't touched for a long time so still actually works. But yeah, like you said, new players don't even know about them, not since they removed the notification for them from the newbie tutorials.
while yelling allah akbar at our enemies
Ohh... you're in karmafleet, aren't you? just started. Meh Goons. Figures...

No I don't recommend this game, not unless you already like space mmo's a whole lot. I started with EnB (at release), went to SWG (at release, had to wait for space), then after SWG:NGE was released (turned SWG into a literal ghost town which lead to it's shutdown) went to EVE as many did. I usually have a space mmo and some other mmo subscription (when there were subs anyways). You are better off playing this (http://store.steampowered.com/sub/6330/) when you realize what I'm saying is true and you ragequit :p

edit: or this (http://store.steampowered.com/app/2870/) which isn't on that list. Don't be turned off by older reviews of this one, they did a lot of good work to make it quite enjoyable. Though gameplay wise, I'd go with X3:TC, if you like it a little more challenging and complicated. But X3:TC is the leading game considered to be an EVE clone, and it's just 5 stars imo, for the pew pewer anyway. But Rebirth is different from the X series, and more of a casual cockpit shooter... though a bit more deeper than that.

[Tongpow]

nah im in Pandemic Horde, were fighting karmafleet in querious atm

NC.'s newbie group is here, buncha others also Russians in Hed-GP are 6jumps away, random lowsec people http://i.imgur.com/3ZNu2Gh.png

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Querious/A2-V27#sov

[stormlord]

haz but pref CNR over navy scorp, at least for a mission boat. Hawk is the best though, but a bit screwed lately since power creep with t3 dessys. They really botched that bad imo. CCP has this balance problem, anything new is way OP making systems you trained months for... well trash. At least I didn't get into industry hehehe. If you like teh pew, and like EVE, get yourself X3:TC to start - when it goes on sale (or sooner), wont regret it.

Lately haz been getting my fix off of X series. You can even mod in EVE ships. They even fixed up rebirth with the many many updates it needed, not too bad. If you like teh pew, and EVE, get youtself X3:TC or X Rebirth, wont regret it.
Almost ALL MMO's have that problem. It's called mudflation. It's tied to the fact players are playing together and new content is always streaming in to feed the upper tiers. Also MMO's can't be chagned by players--a big one!

Single player games resolve a lot of it because you can mod it and you're playing alone. But they get old too. Just different. The way they get old is the codebase being too far behind. Usually graphics and interface.

[Daywolf]

Almost ALL MMO's have that problem. It's called mudflation. It's tied to the fact players are playing together and new content is always streaming in to feed the upper tiers. Also MMO's can't be chagned by players--a big one!

Single player games resolve a lot of it because you can mod it and you're playing alone. But they get old too. Just different. The way they get old is the codebase being too far behind. Usually graphics and interface.
Yeah, almost all MMO's are progression themeparks. EVE isn't. EVE is a centric pvp mmo, a space simulator sandbox. Even for those that claim they only pve, as soon as they undock they are still participating in a pvp centric game where their actions are effected by pvp whether or not they seek to engage in pvp.

This requires some level of balance. If you spend a year profecting a specific ship, and then suddenly they release an OP ship (which only takes about a month to train for) that decimates your ship you trained for (for 6-12 months), there is something dramatically wrong there. They spend years rebalancing all the ships, making things like frigates relevant again, years revamping the game from the broken hull it had become, then suddenly throw that balance out of whack again, it's just not a WoW clone to do that. And they do it for the hype, that's all, so it's fun for a few to go around blapping things and promote to new players, until the next OP ship is released. That's fail.

Because that's exactly opposite of what they have been working on. Balance was the important thing in the game for years after so many complaints from players. A lot of dev time went into balance, huge amounts of time. Then they throw that out and start putting out OP ships and destroy that re-balancing work.

Really, so you'd have no problem spending like a year training a specific ship (that is balanced with others and not OP) just to have a brand new ship tossed into the game with little training required to make your training irrelevant? And that after the devs spent years trying to fix such problems in the first place (and really did a good job on it).

But as far as space mmo's go, it's the better choice of the lot. It has an old school mmo feel much like EQ here. No crap instancing like all the other space mmo's have. Unfortunately they are dumbing EVE down though, and reaching too hard for new players that they don't have while messing with the vet players. Peak time numbers are way down. More players there than here, but here is stable, there you know something is wrong as they shed lots of active players over time.

[Tongpow]

they are dumbing EVE down though, and reaching too hard for new players that they don't have while messing with the vet players. Peak time numbers are way down. More players there than here, but here is stable, there you know something is wrong as they shed lots of active players over time.


EVE is dying.(tm) I believe a neutral observer would say that EVE is becoming Space Ultima Online or Space Everquest. We have an entrenched game losing established players to competition that is simultaneously extremely intimidating for new players even outside of "the learning cliff." But both games survived for years with greatly diminished user bases and I suspect EVE could too.

http://i.imgur.com/M1zsD82.png
http://i.imgur.com/CABbQwd.png


there is alot of factors in play from bans to ISBoxer input automation removing the need for 1 man to have a 20account personal bomber fleet or 30 mining characters running at once , RMT cartels, the jump fatigue patch that killed the need to have a MASSIVE cyno lighting alt network across the entire galaxy for groups such a PL, 30day account time item(plex) increasing in price something like 250% in the last 5years( i remember plex prices at like 300-400mil the first time i played eve its at 1.2billion each atm) people just moving the fuck on with their life..etc...etc...etc


the GAME itself hasn't been this fun in fucking years. Sub-capital class ship pvp is in a good place, the new ships maybe needing abit of a tweak (Svipul,Garmur..etc) its still way to early to tell but the changes to Sovereignty mechanics in nullsec seem to be for the best, with jump fatigue nerfing the old guard's power projection across the map making holding large amounts of space not worth it ( was it ever? minus a giant fucking renting empire). and a whole bunch of other shit my noob ass could never understand

[Daywolf]

EVE is dying.(tm)
I didn't say EVE is dying, I said peaks are down, actually way down. Spend some time in the game, after a while you'll see what I mean and start to notice the reasons why. It's a new fresh experience, have fun, roll with it.

[Daywolf]

the GAME itself hasn't been this fun in fucking years. You have 3mil SP, dude... :rolleyes:
Your chart is misleading. it sucks, it's actually down from 60k.

sorry posting again, he edited that in.

[Tongpow]

i think the peak numbers, peak current users was always abit false between Jita bots,market bots,pve bots,thousands of people banned for RMT from botting

its probably for the first time ever actually showing the population in numbers that reflect actual people playing the game


You have 3mil SP. i had 28mil i gave my account away on irc last time i quit eve

[Daywolf]

i think the peak numbers, peak current users was always abit false between Jita bots,market bots,pve bots,thousands of people banned for RMT from botting

its probably for the first time ever actually showing the population in numbers that reflect actual people playing the game
Like I said, you'll see, eventually. Actually for boxing numbers, CCP has already released that data, it's far from what you are making it out to be. It hasn't changed all that much for the run of the game. Vets are leaving, lots of them, entirely. Just hang out in forums and "can I haz your stuff", you'll make out like a bandit.

[Tongpow]

and you don't think the capital ship rebalance and the new citadels wont bring the bitter vets back? i mean, i would of quit too if they nerfed my blap/ratting titan the fucking things are like only used for jump bridges on the day to day now when shit like B-R isn't happening people used to fucking solo in them. praise to Speedweed and the swagnarok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhvgl2K-C9g

[Daywolf]

i had 28mil i gave my account away on irc last time i quit eve
i only have 3 million skill points (you start the game with 500,000 skillpoints so im like 2.5months in or so on this new account) and i haven't had this much fun playing a video game in years uh-huh *nod* *nod* To bad you cant go back and edit that out.

its probably for the first time ever actually showing the population in numbers that reflect actual people playing the game
nope.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


and you don't think the capital ship rebalance and the new citadels wont bring the bitter vets back? i mean, i would of quit too if they nerfed my blap/ratting titan the fucking things are like only used for jump bridges on the day to day now when shit like B-R isn't happening people used to fucking solo in them. praise to Speedweed and the swagnarok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhvgl2K-C9g They hand out titans to people with 3mil SP now? Even 28mil is stretching it thin. 28mil SP, you are at about competent battleship pilot. I put 25mil just into T2 frigate alone. Just a paper kite bomber is 20mil.

[Tongpow]

i had 28mil i gave my account away on irc last time i quit eve

i only have 3 million skill points (you start the game with 500,000 skillpoints so im like 2.5months in or so on this new account)

uh-huh *nod* *nod* To bad you cant go back and edit that out.

on this new account

mate...


They hand out titans to people with 3mil SP now?

no, but people who don't even play the game could read the patch notes on the ship. i never wanted to be anything but a subcap pilot hearing stories about being bubblefucked for 10hours + SHIT THEY ARE FINALLY APPARENTLY MAYBE trying to change... capitals are getting fucking MJDs now

[Daywolf]

on this new account

mate...
[QUOTE=Tongpow;2175635]i only have 3 million skill points (you start the game with 500,000 skillpoints so im like 2.5months in or so on this new account) and i haven't had this much fun playing a video game in years uh-huh hehe almost got it edited out there, the typical new game experience comment. Of course it's a "new account". It would need to be, right? :D

no, but people who don't even play the game could read the patch notes on the ship. i never wanted to be anything but a subcap pilot hearing stories about being bubblefucked for 10hours + SHIT THEY ARE FINALLY APPARENTLY MAYBE trying to change... capitals are getting fucking MJDs nowWhen they do patch notes... it's usually iffy. They don't even update their wiki, it's 5yrs out of date in some places. CCP is distant from it's vets (Again :P ), they only worry about making it easy for newbies now, ones they don't have yet actually.

Just don't pick up industry, crafting if absolutely broken for new players, you cant get good BPO's and such, not unless you spend $100's converting from PLEX to ISK so you can buy the very few offered once in a while (even $1000's). Only cruddy BPO's are available to you, and the materials are in some cases worth much more than the item to make.


Anyway as for me, I've been out for three months and I don't think I'm ever going back. My first log-in was during the first expansion. Last time I took and extended leave was after the Jita riots (and we rioted bad! :P ) for about 9 months. I've taken a few breaks but always with intention to come back at some point, which usually wasn't long. Not this time though. The game could be better, was better, still ok, but I'm just fed up with CCP and their BS - BSBSBS! After the Jita riots they started to straighten out, but now that is starting to be forgotten by them, and going back to their old ways. meh...

[Daywolf]

If I go back to any space mmo, it'll likely be the SWG emu. Was there at launch (playing freeze-tag hehe), leveled some characters (server wiped though) played for years. But waiting for JTLS, would be pretty nice. Not meaning to insult any hard core EQ fans, but SWG was the best mmo ever made, Pre-CU/Pre-NGE of course :/ Friggen Bounty Hunter is just great. But... really needs the space thing going on too. Maybe someday. Played SWG from about launch (waited first for nasty bug fixes, worst launch in the history of MMO's) until NGE (destroyed the game).

Not saying don't play EVE, it's not for everyone obviously, but it does have it's problems which seems to be getting worse. I'd recommend it over EQ live any time.
o7

edit: oh and a working GCW of course, it's just not fully SWG w/o the GCW (faction warfare).

[Tongpow]

uh-huh hehe almost got it edited out there, the typical new game experience comment. Of course it's a "new account". It would need to be, right? :D



the FUCK are you on about? im super confused at this point no troll.. claiming a mmo can't change and be new again is your argument? yeah just use everquest as an example p99 and live are basically two completely different games, same goes for eve or any mmo for that matter especially in the decade+ age group that eve and everquest are apart of



When they do patch notes... it's usually iffy. They don't even update their wiki, it's 5yrs out of date in some places.

their wiki has been dead for years, it was replaced by eve-uni wiki and other community sites. features,nerfs,buffs,bugfixes..etc in patch notes aren't iffy its in english and has like actual numbers for the stat changes you can compare. shit like "Minor improvements to the backend code." are vague but who the fuck cares the shit that matters is all there in black and white and if your too dumb like myself a retard on reddit will explain to you why the new shit matters every patch


Just don't pick up industry, crafting

i'd say if your interested in anything other than pvp, eve isn't for you the game has more than enough industrial autist engaged in market pvp to last until the heat death of the known universe. it makes the p99 raid community look like normal stable individuals by comparison.

[Daywolf]

the FUCK are you on about? im super confused at this point no troll.. claiming a mmo can't change and be new again is your argument? yeah just use everquest as an example p99 and live are basically two completely different games, same goes for eve or any mmo for that matter especially in the decade+ age group that eve and everquest are apart of
It did change, it changed for the good after the Jita riots. Before then it had been a heaping bug mess. But once they got it under control, re-balanced among other things, they are going back to the heaping mess. I already explained that to you, you're just not sure what I'm speaking about, but you will in time.
their wiki has been dead for years, it was replaced by eve-uni wiki and other community sites. features,nerfs,buffs,bugfixes..etc in patch notes aren't iffy its in english and has like actual numbers for the stat changes you can compare. shit like "Minor improvements to the backend code." are vague but who the fuck cares the shit that matters is all there in black and white and if your too dumb like myself a retard on reddit will explain to you why the new shit matters every patchNo, they skip a lot of things that matter. Sometimes fixes with noting mentioned, and the community begs for notes on them. There are plenty of things in the wiki that are outdated so bad that no one knows the current state of those entries and uni cant cover either.
i'd say if your interested in anything other than pvp, eve isn't for you the game has more than enough industrial autist engaged in market pvp to last until the heat death of the known universe. it makes the p99 raid community look like normal stable individuals by comparison.I wouldn't "say", I'm down right positive industry is a huge mistake for new players, even those new to the game in the past 5-7 years thinking of now getting into it. Not unless you have a big RL bank account to buy your way in. There is no way to fix it, not even with all the lipstick they smeared on that pig recently. And no, it's not pvp only, pve is viable, how do you think pvp operates? All PLEX?? Most pve to pvp, or use rare BPO's (blue print original with unlimited runs) to fund wars. In wars you just lose ISK (the currency), wars are about dominating territory to either rent or to exploit: mining, pve etc etc.


As for that eve offline link, go ahead and load it. Up at the top is a "zoom" feature. Start from 5yrs and cycle down to 36hrs. Look at the white line sink, the avg. Even in the past couple months. CCP is screwing up the game. Maybe they will turn it around, but maybe not this time. They get too worried about getting new players, they mess up with the vet players. Like SWG did, you wind up with neither new players nor vet players.

[Tongpow]

http://i.imgur.com/SV1Rpez.gif

gonna just bow out now, too much random bullshit to comment on, the most hilarious of which is you think the old t2 BPOs fund wars, not trillion isk renter empires,money moons or even a 5% tax on rat bounties is more isk a month in a large corp than a bitter vet with a couple t2 BPOs. t2 BPOs are a license to print free money, yes but they still have to compete with the other industrial idiots doing invention that's without even touching the actual numbers of how many ships u could build with a max researched BPO in a given amount of time. i don't even have to look that up to know your completely full of shit.

it seems to me you haven't played the game since fucking Darius Johnson was running goons so you don't know that datacores come from faction warfare LP stores and relic/data sites not research agents anymore

[Daywolf]

too much random bullshit
It's not random bullshit. You cant fund pvp by pvp, duh? Wars cost huge, and you get that by pve, industry (those vets that can make a profit at it anyway with BPO's), exploration, marketing, and even renting the systems you conquer to others. Nonsense BS that the game isn't for you if you don't pvp. That's just silly. Most of those alliances just sit on their butts all the time and exploit systems for resources. But you'll figure it out when you get some more exp at the game :D

Anyway, like I edited in at the end of the last post, go to eve-offline and look at the numbers as I mentioned with the zoom tool. There is no denying something is going on, to make players leave. They are, vets are leaving. Just too much BS...
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