Fabled?

[Elmarnieh]

Any chance we might get these when the appropriate year since launch roles around?

[thufir]

Any chance we might get these when the appropriate year since launch roles around?

since these didn't start happening until post-velious, seems unlikely

[Erati]

Any chance we might get these when the appropriate year since launch roles around?

what was your favorite fabled spawn Elmo?

/hugs

[-Catherin-]

Could be decent custom content. The first round of fabled spawns had nice stuff but none of it was too overpowered that I can recall.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=27234

i remember waiting in line for these.

and my chanter also had one of these.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=27251

The focus effect seems to indicate fabled first appeared during PoP (extended range IV was something that became available for level 65 spells)

[ArumTP]

Any chance we might get these when the appropriate year since launch roles around?


Sure appropriate year. So, like never on this server.

[Llandris]

I believe Fabled mobs were introduced post Velious, so you will not see them here. Perhaps later with custom content, but that is entirely up to the Dev team.

[Erati]

Did Fabled Ishva Robe look any dif Catherin?

[Elmarnieh]

I think people misunderstand the server.

We will not see Luclin here.

That doesn't mean that they will never implement things that have nothing to do with Luclin.

[Elmarnieh]

what was your favorite fabled spawn Elmo?

/hugs

I had the Fabled Mithril BP for a while - as I recall it was nicely statted.

Yup
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=27239

[ArumTP]

I think people misunderstand the server.

We will not see Luclin here.

That doesn't mean that they will never implement things that have nothing to do with Luclin.

And how would you propose adding these mobs that drop this gear? With the current skill sets? With the current gear sets? With our current levels? With the effects and stats they have?

Not even remotely viable to add this.

[Ele]

Looks they were added with the 5 year anniversary of EQ.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20040316.html

[Erati]

Looks they were added with the 5 year anniversary of EQ.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20040316.html

P99 hits 6 year Anniversary this October....

[Daldaen]

If they are going custom content I would favor things that existed in Velious zones but post Velious

The iksar arc quests. Greenmist, Necro/Shaman/Monk/Warrior arcs to full completion.

The shawl 8th quest.

Vulak ring event.

Idol of Rallos Zek.

Shard of Hsagra's Talisman.

Focus effects added as they were in Luclin.

Flowing Thought stacking.

Basically just give me luclin, one of the EQ expansions.

Things like that, where Luclin improved hugely on Velious content after it was current.

[Elmarnieh]

And how would you propose adding these mobs that drop this gear? With the current skill sets? With the current gear sets? With our current levels? With the effects and stats they have?

Not even remotely viable to add this.

We defeat level 70 mobs currently with far more hps, and more single target damage, that have aoe's.

Entirely doable, and if they want to make the content group friendly they could modify both the states of the mob and of the drops or create entirely new ones. Maybe make fabled a regular but very rare spawn and not locked to a certain time frame.

[Ele]

P99 hits 6 year Anniversary this October....

I would calculate it as 39 months after the release of Velious.

[Thulack]

And how would you propose adding these mobs that drop this gear? With the current skill sets? With the current gear sets? With our current levels? With the effects and stats they have?

Not even remotely viable to add this.

Lol if you bothered to look at the first round of fabled mobs they ever did every single one of them cuold probably be duo'd on this server. As Eratani said it wasnt overpowered gear or overpowered mobs just was like having a level 55 mob in lower guk.

[Elmarnieh]

Lol if you bothered to look at the first round of fabled mobs they ever did every single one of them cuold probably be duo'd on this server. As Eratani said it wasnt overpowered gear or overpowered mobs just was like having a level 55 mob in lower guk.



THULACK!

[-Catherin-]

. As Eratani said it wasnt overpowered gear or overpowered mobs just was like having a level 55 mob in lower guk.

When did i become Eratani? :p

Did Fabled Ishva Robe look any dif Catherin?

no it looked the same

[ArumTP]

Lol if you bothered to look at the first round of fabled mobs they ever did every single one of them cuold probably be duo'd on this server. As Eratani said it wasnt overpowered gear or overpowered mobs just was like having a level 55 mob in lower guk.

I was looking at the links provided in this thread. It was coming off level 70 mobs. Only AoW and Tunare is 70 on this server.

So I did a little digging, and took a look at the sub 66 mobs, because 66 mobs are NTOV mobs. Level 40+ mobs start dropping raid quality loot, aka random good stuff that drops all the time and would be no shame in using ever.. With the 50+ mobs that ends up being NTOV quality loot. 60+ mobs better than NTOV loot.

None of those items make sense given the loot progression on this server and where it ends. It was okay when they were originally introduced given what loot/levels/AA's was on live at the time.

[AzzarTheGod]

These are clearly Luclin-era items. But they are not overpowered for custom content.

Its up to the project manager. They have not made any design decisions on post-Velious content that we know of.

A critical design decision that would have to take place is the admittance of spell focus into the game.

Spell focus may be something that might not be deemed acceptable as it reminds people of Luclin and Planes of Power.

[-Catherin-]

highest luclin focus was rank III which covered spells up to 60 before they started to deteriorate after that. rank IV was for spells up to 65, which is PoP.

aka there was no rank IV until PoP at the earliest as that is when the level cap went from 60 to 65

[AzzarTheGod]

If they are going custom content I would favor things that existed in Velious zones but post Velious

The iksar arc quests. Greenmist, Necro/Shaman/Monk/Warrior arcs to full completion.

The shawl 8th quest.

Vulak ring event.

Idol of Rallos Zek.

Shard of Hsagra's Talisman.

Focus effects added as they were in Luclin.

Flowing Thought stacking.

Basically just give me luclin, one of the EQ expansions.

Things like that, where Luclin improved hugely on Velious content after it was current.

I agree this makes the most sense for a starting point for custom content. Design isn't taking suggestions though but its nice to put the thought out there I guess.

Doing the above would go a long way towards adding some game balance and spice to get the custom content train rolling. From there-- custom encounters and zones would make a great stack.

[AzzarTheGod]

Fabled does seem to fit in with Velious content on many mobs.

Example:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=27203

Fits the timeline and itemization perfectly.

The difficulty is increased so perhaps that is balance enough, since these mobs would be "Raid" mobs.

The Efreeti is level 70 and hits near 2k.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=14836

[Smurn]

no Pokes or IRYD so thus far this thread must not be worth much...

[ArumTP]

Fabled does seem to fit in with Velious content on many mobs.

Example:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=27203

Fits the timeline and itemization perfectly.

The difficulty is increased so perhaps that is balance enough, since these mobs would be "Raid" mobs.



Max hit was 813. Flurries and enrages. Falls in line with INT caster Skyshrine armor. And you want to dump that in solb where 40-50 characters level?

[AzzarTheGod]

Max hit was 813. Flurries and enrages. Falls in line with INT caster Skyshrine armor. And you want to dump that in solb where 40-50 characters level?

No not anytime soon. And I thought it was a given it would be temporary. No more than a weekend.

They could rotate Fabled zones by weekend every few months, giving people PLENTY of options and cover who aren't ready to fight the content. One weekend out of every 3-6 months would not be much of an inconvenience.

One time fabled lguk, next time fabled solb. What is the problem with that?

[ArumTP]

No not anytime soon. And I thought it was a given it would be temporary. No more than a weekend.

They could rotate Fabled zones by weekend every few months, giving people PLENTY of options and cover who aren't ready to fight the content. One weekend out of every 3-6 months would not be much of an inconvenience.

One time fabled lguk, next time fabled solb. What is the problem with that?

The issue is the quality of loot that drops. Random level 50 mobs dropping better or equal as good NTOV mobs. Mobs that would randomly pop and probably be 1 or 2 grouped vs ntov dragons and other high level velious targets.

This is nothing but a transparent desire to get endgame loot the easiest way possible.

[AzzarTheGod]

The issue is the quality of loot that drops. Random level 50 mobs dropping better or equal as good NTOV mobs. Mobs that would randomly pop and probably be 1 or 2 grouped vs ntov dragons and other high level velious targets.

This is nothing but a transparent desire to get endgame loot the easiest way possible.

Well first, its Fabled, its not meant to be available and I'd imagine it wouldn't be.

How many drops in a weekend are you going to get? Even if you have a good camp, it shouldn't be available again for a very long time.

Second, there are absolutely no mobs that are level 50 dropping loot on par with NTOV demonstrated here. The lowest mob I have found is level 60. Third, questable NTOV is not true dragon NTOV loot by any stretch. I think that is exaggerating things a bit by referring to those legs as NTOV dragon raid loot.

Many of the mobs would only be killable by small raids, and maybe 2 groups of existing NTOV geared BIS players from what I can see of the stats on these mobs. It looks like you need the Velious gear to be able to get these items.

Efreeti isn't even slowable. It looks less complicated to implement than you make it out to be imo.

[Thulack]

Max hit was 813. Flurries and enrages. Falls in line with INT caster Skyshrine armor. And you want to dump that in solb where 40-50 characters level?
Yep. Was such glorious weeks during fabled watching all the complaining on the forums from lower levels. It adds something to a game that becomes stale. Thats the whole point.

[Thulack]

When did i become Eratani? :p

Lol sorry Cat. I even had Cat written but was walking out the door for work and wasnt sure if it was you or era that said it. I figured i would never hear the end of it from Eratani if i called him you. You on the other hand would take it better :D

[ArumTP]

Second, there are absolutely no mobs that are level 50 dropping loot on par with NTOV demonstrated here.

.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=27249
drops off level 50 mob 90% as good as
http://wiki.project1999.com/Dragon's_Eye_Sage_Ring
that drops off yelinak

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=35103
would be second BiS for casters, Aaryonar would remain better

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=27248
damage better than ratio stuff, again tov stuff. off a 55 mob

You can cherry pick meh to pretty awesome stuff all you want. But for every one you find there are easily just as many if not more totally inappropriate items given the level of the mobs relative to what they drop. This stuff was added in PoP era, and wasn't always so great, here its a bit overpowered.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=27249
drops off level 50 mob 90% as good as
http://wiki.project1999.com/Dragon's_Eye_Sage_Ring
that drops off yelinak

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=35103
would be second BiS for casters, Aaryonar would remain better

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=27248
damage better than ratio stuff, again tov stuff. off a 55 mob

You can cherry pick meh to pretty awesome stuff all you want. But for every one you find there are easily just as many if not more totally inappropriate items given the level of the mobs relative to what they drop. This stuff was added in PoP era, and wasn't always so great, here its a bit overpowered.

I see some of your point in those examples. For perspective, of course, in the cited example, I should correct you again that your Fabled Skarlon is in fact NOT a level 55 mob, but rather a level 70 raid boss. And you would only be able to kill him maybe 4-5times a year if we are using classic Fabled availability.

Pretty well-tuned when taking all of the details of that sword into account.

We did with 9, 2 clerics. Full VT gear.

Rampages, Enrages, Flurries up to 4,500 total damage confirmed per round.


But as you said, no reason to pick it apart item by item. Its obvious some of the loot is shall we say... very rewarding, but only considering Velious is freshly released.

And on the contrary I'd say that it is certainly not ludicrously rewarding-- given that Fabled does require camping, sometimes for long periods and has an extremely limited availability window with some incredibly difficult mobs. On top of that, would only see a handful of weekends available out of a year to do these camps.

It looks very feasible to slate for sometime next year 2017 without changing any of the itemization, and would be a fun start to the pseudo-custom content nilbog is talking about doing.

[XDrake]

I was around during the first Fabled event in 2004. It occurred during the LDoN era.

My live character has the Fabled Ishva Robe and the Fabled J-Boots. Those boots originally had SoW AND I could cast it on others! :D A few days later they nerfed them to self only and a new effect called 'Bootstrutter's Blessing'.

For a short, short time I could give others clicky SoW as a Necromancer.

Awesome, but not Classic.

[AzzarTheGod]

Awesome, but not Classic.

What does this have to do with the project though?

If we are doing custom content, Fabled is a great starting point. I'm having trouble following you-- I don't see why you included this statement?

[Nuggie]

@OP, we don't need better gear to make things easier than what is currently available. No thanks.

[myriverse]

Lemme have fabled cats on the moon. Or else.

[AzzarTheGod]

Lemme have fabled cats on the moon. Or else.

Lets start with some Fabled and work up to Luclin. Baby steps.