Kasich 2016

[maskedmelon]

Sorry guys, but this is how I felt after last night's melee.

Marco came off as a little shit.

Cruz remains an erudite asshole.

And Trump, well he has small hands.

To quote an ancient FQ celeb, Kasich sounded like "the lone voice of reason in a forest of Turkies."

Am I wrong?

[SHOWITME]

dunno how we r supposed to get tough on immigration if we elect rubio who is a mexican

cruz loves jesus 2 much

trump small dick confirmed by the mexican

kasich the only 1 left

[Pokesan]

you are forgetting the congressional scenario

the great filter approaches

[maskedmelon]

No, that plays right into the discussion. If Trump goes full independent and manages to deny Hillary a majority (51%) congress will choose the Republican nominee, whomever that may be.

While it is unlikely Kasich can secure the nomination conventionally if he demonstrates significant momentum going forward he might be able to secure the nom at a contested convention.

I was surprised though when I Trump said he'd support the eventual nominee last night. I'd think with attacks from all sides he'd feel he was being treated unfairly, but then most of the shit flying his direction is from other candidates and the stuff from the media is all entirely valid. He's somewhat acknowledged that with the 2 page policy plan he's released, but he is going to need to do more now to continue. After last debate I was surprised he showed up at this one empty handed.

[barrettdc1]

trump has a big cock

[Hastley]

Sorry guys, but this is how I felt after last night's melee.

Marco came off as a little shit.

Cruz remains an erudite asshole.

And Trump, well he has small hands.

To quote an ancient FQ celeb, Kasich sounded like "the lone voice of reason in a forest of Turkies."

Am I wrong?

Doesn't small hands make your junk look bigger? Kasich was the only
One that addressed anything remotely resembling substance and policy. That said he has 0 chance at te nomination and even less than that in the general.

TLDR don't waste your vote on someone who can't win (same goes for Rubio)

[Lune]

Am I wrong?

Kasich was literally a higher-up investment banker at Lehman brothers when it went under in 2008. So I'd say if you want the government to keep serving the financial sector at the expense of the middle class (yes it is zero sum sometimes), vote Kasich or Hillary.

Climate science denier, but less intensely anti-environment than his peers.

Best healthcare position of any Republican candidate.

Bought and paid for candidate who operates with PACs, and is guaranteed as a politician in office to answer to bribes, rather than the best interest of the US as a whole. So I wouldn't put too much stock in what he says he actually says he believes, because his beliefs are available for purchase.

Probably the least destructive Republican candidate.

[Patriam1066]

Kasich was literally a higher-up investment banker at Lehman brothers when it went under in 2008. So I'd say if you want the government to keep serving the financial sector at the expense of the middle class (yes it is zero sum sometimes), vote Kasich or Hillary.

Climate science denier, but less intensely anti-environment than his peers.

Best healthcare position of any Republican candidate.

Bought and paid for candidate who operates with PACs, and is guaranteed as a politician in office to answer to bribes, rather than the best interest of the US as a whole. So I wouldn't put too much stock in what he says he actually says he believes, because his beliefs are available for purchase.

Probably the least destructive Republican candidate.

You're right about all of this except that he's better than both Sanders and Clinton on day one since he's been a governor and actually has done something in his life.

PS: You talk about Lehman brothers and banks. Sanders adds how much to the national debt? Who benefits from the government financing the debt? Large banks. Who wrote the budget in 2014? Citigroup. Are you following so far?

The national debt isn't a debate about Keynes or Friedman, it's an egregious example of corporate welfare that passes under the radar because:
1. republicans won't give up defense
2. dems won't give up welfare
3. neither will give up social security or medicare

Finally, there is a huge debate over whether a national debt actually matters. Not to bring up Greece or Venezuela, since neither is analogous to the United States government or economy, however, in our corrupt system, which you acknowledge has PACs, interest groups, lobbyists, etc, how much do you imagine that massive amount of money (trillions of dollars) influences our congressmen and women during their campaigns? Lobbyists are paid hundreds of millions every year to keep the budget high so that it will continue to line the coffers of massive banks, which in turn inject themselves into our political system.

Kasich is a shitty candidate, but he's the best this country has right now, and I voted for him on Super Tuesday. He got 4ish% in Texas. Bottom line, find me a Sanders-like candidate who understands that balancing the fucking budget is literally the most important part of eliminating corruption in the US. That will never happen, because this country is composed of idiots who can simultaneously understand Halliburton, the military-industrial complex, how insurance companies taint out healthcare system, but miraculously, through some amazing capacity for cognitive dissonance, CANT FIGURE OUT THAT CITIGROUP WROTE THE 2014 BUDGET PRECISELY TO INCREASE THE NATIONAL DEBT, which, coincidentally I guess to you retards, happens to perpetually guarantee that they HUGE assets on their balance sheets.

Oh, and who gives a fuck, because that government that finances the debt with them... if all of the major banks collapse the international economy, the government has to bail them out because if they didn't, the US federal government literally couldn't pay salaries and God forbid congressmen and senators actually ahve to answer for something. Oh well, add another trillion in debt so that the government can continue the illusion that they have a clue and the rest of us can happily pay our taxes so that Shylock can have another yacht.

I hope this what should've been middle school lesson on macroeconomics and government got through to you socialists who don't understand your ass from your elbow. Class dismissed.

[maskedmelon]

Probably the least destructive Republican candidate.

This practically an endorsement coming from you Lune ^^

As for Lehman Brothers, I just want to point out that he was one of several hundred investment bankers there. His influence there has been overstated (by others, you seem to have been reserved in how you raised the issue). Unsettling that he was a part of that firm, but I don't think it is reasonable to attribute the fall of Lehman Brothers or even a portion of it to him.

[maskedmelon]

That said he has 0 chance at te nomination and even less than that in the general.



Kasich actually has the best national numbers against Clinton. I'm terms of electability, the polls rank the candidates like this:

1. Kasich
2. Rubio
3. Cruz
4. Trump

As for winning the primary, I agree Kasich has an uphill battle. However, it is unlikely anyone will surpass Trump in the primary case and equally unlikely that Trump will secure the number of delegates ended to lock the nomination. If he doesn't get a majority, the RNC won't nominate him, that is apparent. Accordingly it makes most sense to support the best suited candidate so that the RNC has an easier time nominating them.

[Blitzers]

No, that plays right into the discussion. If Trump goes full independent and manages to deny Hillary a majority (51%) congress will choose the Republican nominee, whomever that may be.

While it is unlikely Kasich can secure the nomination conventionally if he demonstrates significant momentum going forward he might be able to secure the nom at a contested convention.

I was surprised though when I Trump said he'd support the eventual nominee last night. I'd think with attacks from all sides he'd feel he was being treated unfairly, but then most of the shit flying his direction is from other candidates and the stuff from the media is all entirely valid. He's somewhat acknowledged that with the 2 page policy plan he's released, but he is going to need to do more now to continue. After last debate I was surprised he showed up at this one empty handed.

I would have never thought you'd be duped by Fox News talking points. If you think that Kasich is the only option you seriously are being played by the media. Turning to Kasich an establishment candidate is exactly what the ELITISTS in the GOP and media are trying to push. Kasich has been part of the Washington cartel for 40 years. He wants to snowball u with this "reasonable conservative" bullshit. We've heard that before its called RINO republicans, it's called progressivism. When have any of these so called "reasonable republicans" ever made a deal with democrats that worked out well for America. Even when Reagan made deals they turned out like shit remember Reagan Amnesty? That's right Kasich was there and in 1986 Kasich voted for Reagan Amnesty. Kasich supports NAFTA which has cost Americans millions of jobs. Kasich is Jeb Bush, your falling prey to a ROUSE and if you go the way of Kasich you will have yourself another progressive RINO as president. Masked you're typically smarter then that don't be a sheep.

As for your Erudite Asshole Ted Cruz

He's the man that defeated GWBush's plan to cede our judicial sovereignty to the World Courts.
He won the DC gun ban case protecting the 2nd amendment.
He single handedly defeated Rubio's Gang of 8 Amnesty bill with a poison pill amendment.
He has fought and defeated the Washington cartel time and time again. Don't let yourself be fooled Kasich is who the GOP elite and media HAX want.

[maskedmelon]

2. dems won't give up welfare
3. neither will give up social security or medicare


This is a problem of democracy. You take those away, you lose your next election to someone who will restore them.

[halfling warrior]

I would have never thought you'd be duped by Fox News talking points. If you think that Kasich is the only option you seriously are being played by the media. Turning to Kasich an establishment candidate is exactly what the ELITISTS in the GOP and media are trying to push. Kasich has been part of the Washington cartel for 40 years. He wants to snowball u with this "reasonable conservative" bullshit. We've heard that before its called RINO republicans, it's called progressivism. When have any of these so called "reasonable republicans" ever made a deal with democrats that worked out well for America. Even when Reagan made deals they turned out like shit remember Reagan Amnesty? That's right Kasich was there and in 1986 Kasich voted for Reagan Amnesty. Kasich supports NAFTA which has cost Americans millions of jobs. Kasich is Jeb Bush, your falling prey to a ROUSE and if you go the way of Kasich you will have yourself another progressive RINO as president. Masked you're typically smarter then that don't be a sheep.

As for your Erudite Asshole Ted Cruz

He's the man that defeated GWBush's plan to cede our judicial sovereignty to the World Courts.
He won the DC gun ban case protecting the 2nd amendment.
He single handedly defeated Rubio's Gang of 8 Amnesty bill with a poison pill amendment.
He has fought and defeated the Washington cartel time and time again. Don't let yourself be fooled Kasich is who the GOP elite and media HAX want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqpHTFJO4mE

[Blitzers]

Not to mention Kasich supports Obamacare and common core. Yes they got rid of the testing in Ohio but the curriculum still exists in the schools.

[Lune]

You're right about all of this except that he's better than both Sanders and Clinton on day one since he's been a governor and actually has done something in his life.

PS: You talk about Lehman brothers and banks. Sanders adds how much to the national debt? Who benefits from the government financing the debt? Large banks. Who wrote the budget in 2014? Citigroup. Are you following so far?

The national debt isn't a debate about Keynes or Friedman, it's an egregious example of corporate welfare that passes under the radar because:
1. republicans won't give up defense
2. dems won't give up welfare
3. neither will give up social security or medicare

Finally, there is a huge debate over whether a national debt actually matters. Not to bring up Greece or Venezuela, since neither is analogous to the United States government or economy, however, in our corrupt system, which you acknowledge has PACs, interest groups, lobbyists, etc, how much do you imagine that massive amount of money (trillions of dollars) influences our congressmen and women during their campaigns? Lobbyists are paid hundreds of millions every year to keep the budget high so that it will continue to line the coffers of massive banks, which in turn inject themselves into our political system.

Kasich is a shitty candidate, but he's the best this country has right now, and I voted for him on Super Tuesday. He got 4ish% in Texas. Bottom line, find me a Sanders-like candidate who understands that balancing the fucking budget is literally the most important part of eliminating corruption in the US. That will never happen, because this country is composed of idiots who can simultaneously understand Halliburton, the military-industrial complex, how insurance companies taint out healthcare system, but miraculously, through some amazing capacity for cognitive dissonance, CANT FIGURE OUT THAT CITIGROUP WROTE THE 2014 BUDGET PRECISELY TO INCREASE THE NATIONAL DEBT, which, coincidentally I guess to you retards, happens to perpetually guarantee that they HUGE assets on their balance sheets.

Oh, and who gives a fuck, because that government that finances the debt with them... if all of the major banks collapse the international economy, the government has to bail them out because if they didn't, the US federal government literally couldn't pay salaries and God forbid congressmen and senators actually ahve to answer for something. Oh well, add another trillion in debt so that the government can continue the illusion that they have a clue and the rest of us can happily pay our taxes so that Shylock can have another yacht.

I hope this what should've been middle school lesson on macroeconomics and government got through to you socialists who don't understand your ass from your elbow. Class dismissed.

What do you think is going to happen to the national debt when you elect a party-loyal Republican like Kasich who is going to funnel money to defense spending and quite possibly put boots on the ground in Syria? Just how much did our national debt decrease under George "Small-Government Republican" Bush? You tell me to find a Sanders-like candidate who understands the value of balancing the budget, and you offer me an establishment Republican. Guess what, it's not hard to balance a state budget (Ohio) when you don't have things like defense spending, which his party absolutely LOVES. Jerry Brown balanced California's budget, and he's a DEMOCRAT in a state full of democrats, with a legislature run by democrats. And these aren't just any democrats, they are California democrats who fucking love to spend. Things are a lot different as POTUS.

I'm disappointed that you've fallen victim to the rhetoric that just because a candidate is a leftie means he wants to spend the country to death. That's just standard issue Fox News Republican Brand™ marketing meant to manipulate the naive and lazy, and stoke the fires of tribalism. Uprooting the graft and waste inherent in our healthcare system and cutting the bloat would have saved our country billions of dollars, but the insurance companies won, precisely because they managed to convince people like you that anyone actually trying to fix the problem is going to bankrupt us. It's like a Pavlovian response at this point, you're so well trained with the REFORM/SOCIALISM = DEBT SPENDING NO MONEY OMG NO DISCIPLINE RECKLESS HOW WILL U PAY FOR IT conditioning that here you are, vomiting it all back at me. Meanwhile here we are drowning in debt from politicians identical to Kasich. Bush was a moderate too. Bill Clinton balanced the budget.

Sanders was the only one on a crusade to liberate our country and government from Shylock, the only one serious about campaign finance reform (which addresses the root of all these problems, that our politicians represent money, not people.) He had foresight to try and save our economy from the banks when it mattered, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJaW32ZTyKE) and who was so far ahead of the rest of the country when it comes to solving the problems of the 2010's that he has been preaching solutions since the fucking 1990's. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxRCnwqUrc8) It breaks my bleeding heart that this guy spent his life fighting the good fight, only to lose to someone like Hillary Clinton, precisely because of disingenuous arguments like yours.

[maskedmelon]

I would have never thought you'd be duped by Fox News talking points. If you think that Kasich is the only option you seriously are being played by the media. Turning to Kasich an establishment candidate is exactly what the ELITISTS in the GOP and media are trying to push. Kasich has been part of the Washington cartel for 40 years. He wants to snowball u with this "reasonable conservative" bullshit. We've heard that before its called RINO republicans, it's called progressivism. When have any of these so called "reasonable republicans" ever made a deal with democrats that worked out well for America. Even when Reagan made deals they turned out like shit remember Reagan Amnesty? That's right Kasich was there and in 1986 Kasich voted for Reagan Amnesty. Kasich supports NAFTA which has cost Americans millions of jobs. Kasich is Jeb Bush, your falling prey to a ROUSE and if you go the way of Kasich you will have yourself another progressive RINO as president. Masked you're typically smarter then that don't be a sheep.

As for your Erudite Asshole Ted Cruz

He's the man that defeated GWBush's plan to cede our judicial sovereignty to the World Courts.
He won the DC gun ban case protecting the 2nd amendment.
He single handedly defeated Rubio's Gang of 8 Amnesty bill with a poison pill amendment.
He has fought and defeated the Washington cartel time and time again. Don't let yourself be fooled Kasich is who the GOP elite and media HAX want.

Blitz, I don't have cable and am not peddling any third party talking points, just sharing my own thoughts. I am just being practical. Everyone hates Cruz and he will not be president because of it. It's as simple as that. Take a look at the polls. He barely beats Hillary. I am aware of his policy stance and accomplishments, but his resume is irrelevant if he cannot win the election or work with people.

[Blitzers]

Blitz, I don't have cable and am not peddling any third party talking points, just sharing my own thoughts. I am just being practical. Everyone hates Cruz and he will not be president because of it. It's as simple as that. Take a look at the polls. He barely beats Hillary. I am aware of his policy stance and accomplishments, but his resume is irrelevant if he cannot win the election or work with people.

^^^^
Media & Washington Establishment talking points

Pretty sad then if that's your own opinion, because a vote for Kasich is a Vote for more socialism and more tyranny.

You can't beat Hillary with Hillary light. We tried that with Romney, and McCain.

NO ONE IS GOING TO SHOW UP IN NOVEMBER FOR KASICH.

You put Kasich as nominee every CRUZ supporter stays at work that day. Trump supporters go back to Hillary.
I will vote Hillary just to help destroy the GOP if Kasich is the repub nominee.

Good luck with your establishment candidate.

[Patriam1066]

What do you think is going to happen to the national debt when you elect a party-loyal Republican like Kasich who is going to funnel money to defense spending and quite possibly put boots on the ground in Syria? Just how much did our national debt decrease under George "Small-Government Republican" Bush? You tell me to find a Sanders-like candidate who understands the value of balancing the budget, and you offer me an establishment Republican. Guess what, it's not hard to balance a state budget (Ohio) when you don't have things like defense spending, which his party absolutely LOVES. Jerry Brown balanced California's budget, and he's a DEMOCRAT in a state full of democrats, with a legislature run by democrats. And these aren't just any democrats, they are California democrats who fucking love to spend. Things are a lot different as POTUS.

I'm disappointed that you've fallen victim to the rhetoric that just because a candidate is a leftie means he wants to spend the country to death. That's just standard issue Fox News Republican Brand™ marketing meant to manipulate the naive and lazy, and stoke the fires of tribalism. Uprooting the graft and waste inherent in our healthcare system and cutting the bloat would have saved our country billions of dollars, but the insurance companies won, precisely because they managed to convince people like you that anyone actually trying to fix the problem is going to bankrupt us. It's like a Pavlovian response at this point, you're so well trained with the REFORM/SOCIALISM = DEBT SPENDING NO MONEY OMG NO DISCIPLINE RECKLESS HOW WILL U PAY FOR IT conditioning that here you are, vomiting it all back at me. Meanwhile here we are drowning in debt from politicians identical to Kasich. Bush was a moderate too. Bill Clinton balanced the budget.

Sanders was the only one on a crusade to liberate our country and government from Shylock, the only one serious about campaign finance reform (which addresses the root of all these problems, that our politicians represent money, not people.) He had foresight to try and save our economy from the banks when it mattered, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJaW32ZTyKE) and who was so far ahead of the rest of the country when it comes to solving the problems of the 2010's that he has been preaching solutions since the fucking 1990's. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxRCnwqUrc8) It breaks my bleeding heart that this guy spent his life fighting the good fight, only to lose to someone like Hillary Clinton, precisely because of disingenuous arguments like yours.

Bill Clinton balanced the budget... Lol
The Internet boom had nothing to do with that? What about NAFTA? Has the precipitous loss of jobs that Bill Clinton facilitated have anything to do with our current debt?

1. I voted for Kerry in 2004. Don't blame me for bush
2. Healthcare isn't fixed by socialism in this country. Heard of the VA? We aren't China. We don't hire Chinese men with huge brains to run things based on talent. We hire based on affirmative action and patronage. We aren't swedes or japs. We're Americans. This means that at least 1/3 of our population is useless and given that the government will always have some of the useless demographic within it, you shouldn't place so much faith in it
- as an aside, I hate insurance companies and expanding and federally insuring + allowing the accumulation year to year and movement from state to state, company to company of health savings accounts could destroy insurance companies. I say could because who the fuck knows

Oh, and we're fat pieces of shit. It's a dick thing to say but I don't want to pay for the obesity and diabetes of others. I realize that yes, I'm paying for it anyway, but if we do socialized medicine, I want to personally choose the diet of every fat ass I see on the street.
3. I don't want national defense spending. I guess you missed that part. NO ONE will close down bases or ditch the f-35 program. Kasich might invade Syria, I admit, that's fucked up, but Obama is now mulling action in Libya after toppling that country. And again, sanders can't win. He's the best on foreign policy, but he can't win. Kasich is less likely to go full retard with regard to foreign policy than anyone not named sanders

[Patriam1066]

^^^^
Establishment talking points

Pretty sad then if that's your own opinion, because a vote for Kasich is a Vote for more socialism and more tyranny.

You can't beat Hillary with Hillary light. We tried that with Romney, and McCain.

NO ONE IS GOING TO SHOW UP IN NOVEMBER FOR KASICH.

You put Kasich as nominee every CRUZ supporter stays at work that day. Trump supporters go back to Hillary.
I will vote Hillary just to help destroy the GOP if Kasich is the repub nominee.

Good luck with your establishment candidate.

Dude everyone hates Ted Cruz are you kidding me? He's boring, ugly, and Canadian

[Blitzers]

Dude everyone hates Ted Cruz are you kidding me? He's boring, ugly, and Canadian

The establishment hates Ted Cruz, what that tells me is he's the right man for the job. The country's problems have been a result of the establishment and the deal makers in Washington. If your mad at government why would you vote for Kasich who has been part of that problem he's ESTABLISHMENT, he's a PROGRESSIVE, he's a RINO, and he will and has MADE BAD DEALS with democrats for 40 years.

You people cry about crony capitalism, cry about the Washington elites, cry about back room deals, but want Kasich? If we get another member of the Washington Elite your children and grandchildren will NEVER FORGIVE YOU.

You have the chance to support and make a change, restoring the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS is our last chance, and TED CRUZ is the only one that has a proven record of DEFENDING & WINNING when the progressives attack.

[Patriam1066]

I like my hockey players Canadian and my presidents American. That's how dad did it. That's how America does it.

PS: Ted Cruz looks like a cross between my landscaper and Jared from Subway. In case I'm being too vague (I realize Cruz supporters are slow) I'm saying he looks like a Hispanic pedophile.

[Blitzers]

I like my hockey players Canadian and my presidents American. That's how dad did it. That's how America does it.

PS: Ted Cruz looks like a cross between my landscaper and Jared from Subway. In case I'm being too vague (I realize Cruz supporters are slow) I'm saying he looks like a Hispanic pedophile.

Guess Kasich is Don Juan right?

Low information voters have ruined America. Thanks dousche

[Lune]

2. Healthcare isn't fixed by socialism in this country. Heard of the VA? We aren't China. We don't hire Chinese men with huge brains to run things based on talent. We hire based on affirmative action and patronage. We aren't swedes or japs. We're Americans. This means that at least 1/3 of our population is useless and given that the government will always have some of the useless demographic within it, you shouldn't place so much faith in it
- as an aside, I hate insurance companies and expanding and federally insuring + allowing the accumulation year to year and movement from state to state, company to company of health savings accounts could destroy insurance companies. I say could because who the fuck knows

Oh, and we're fat pieces of shit. It's a dick thing to say but I don't want to pay for the obesity and diabetes of others. I realize that yes, I'm paying for it anyway, but if we do socialized medicine, I want to personally choose the diet of every fat ass I see on the street.


See now those are good reasons to disagree with healthcare reform as Sanders wants it, not that I agree with them.

Any time you reduce a central authority (like the government), you create a vacuum that is filled by something else. For example, any period at any place in the world that has had a weak, ineffectual, limited government has been rife with organized crime and/or some form of syndicate, usually economic in nature, sometimes religious, sometimes military. It is the nature of humanity to divide and conquer, to establish a hierarchy, and then exploit. I'd argue that of all the syndicates we could have, a representative government is the lesser evil. Yes, representation will sometimes be occluded by corruption, effectiveness will sometimes be compromised by incompetence or cultural issues, but our government has accomplished some amazing things that simply would not have been possible had the libertarian streak of our founding persisted. Medicare was not a bad program until people started living decades longer and costs skyrocketed (due in large part to the insurance paradigm we have going, with middle-men dipping their fingers in everything).

The New Deal is perhaps the greatest example of the value of interventionism ever recorded. Many of its programs are still in place today and enjoy bipartisan support. And I hate to use Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy as positive examples, but Hitler and Mussolini used New-Deal like programs to bring Germany and Italy out of depression in the decade prior to WW2 (construction of the Autobahn, large public works, massive purges of corruption and organized crime in Italy, job programs, cultural engineering). That said, the Axis mostly funded this with fraud and confiscation, but not so in the USA. In the USA it paid dividends.

Dwight Eisenhower once wrote:

Should any party attempt to abolish social security and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group of course, that believes you can do these things ... Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

Today, that splinter group is known as the Tea Party, and we can thank Ronald Reagan for laying the foundation to turn it from a splinter group to a major faction in modern politics.

[Daywolf]

Well we need an asshole to get in there and start ripping the guts out of this 0bama shit such as 0bamacare to name the biggest whale. No more of this apologetic defeatist squeaky-mouse castrated attitude in fear of insulting someones feelings. Let the rest pack their bags and go back to freakin Lilliput where they belong.
RINOs
Globalists
Libtards
Wimps
The establishment

[maskedmelon]

I don't have any issues with assholes. The problem is that many people do and that renders Cruz unelectable. His particular brand of assholery (pious arrogance) is also particularly worrisome in a leader. Put Cruz on the SCOTUS where he can do far more good and need not worry about electability.

[Lune]

Put Cruz on the SCOTUS

oh god lol

http://i.imgur.com/jAilzMK.jpg

[maskedmelon]

oh god lol

http://i.imgur.com/jAilzMK.jpg

What do you think he would do that you disagree with?


Nice cartoon btw.

[Blitzers]

I don't have any issues with assholes. The problem is that many people do and that renders Cruz unelectable. His particular brand of assholery (pious arrogance) is also particularly worrisome in a leader. Put Cruz on the SCOTUS where he can do far more good and need not worry about electability.

Very logical,

No one likes him

He can't get elected

Hey Senate, approve this guy you HATE for Supreme Court?

WTF... Your not making any sense.

Cruz's enemies are not the people voting for Predident his enemies are in the Senate, and after the last 20 - 40 years of BAD DEALS if Ted just stripped the executive branch of power and appointed real conservatives to SCOTUS that would be a win. Quit acting like "getting things done" is a good thing, all it's led to is less and less Liberty.

[maskedmelon]

He'd have no problem getting confirmed. He is eminently qualified. He's just an asshole who can't work with people or win an election. His people problems aren't just with 'the establishment'. He's hated because he's rude and has no respect whatsoever for his fellow man. Even Trump is demonstrates more respect for others than Cruz.

[Pokesan]

We're just going to assume a peaceful transition in the congressional scenario?

[maskedmelon]

Twitter will be on fire for days, Texas will threaten to secede, college students will flee to their safe spaces and then the cattle will return to their fields to graze once more.

[Pokesan]

I have more faith in my countrymen than you do, I suppose.

[maskedmelon]

I have little faith in men, so I am sure you are correct.

[Blitzers]

He'd have no problem getting confirmed. He is eminently qualified. He's just an asshole who can't work with people or win an election. His people problems aren't just with 'the establishment'. He's hated because he's rude and has no respect whatsoever for his fellow man. Even Trump is demonstrates more respect for others than Cruz.

yeah you have no clue about Cruz and his dissenters. All I can say is your wrong and quit repeating Fox News talking points it's beneath you. Too funny Cruz, rude and disrespectful to his fellow man, completely void and incorrect description of Cruz and lacking of any knowledge of the man. No reason to continue this conversation since false narratives and talking points is your only argument.

[AP2002]

Sorry guys, but this is how I felt after last night's melee.

Marco came off as a little shit.

Cruz remains an erudite asshole.

And Trump, well he has small hands.

To quote an ancient FQ celeb, Kasich sounded like "the lone voice of reason in a forest of Turkies."

Am I wrong?

This is why video gamers should not vote.

Dumb
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[maskedmelon]

This is why video gamers should not vote.

Dumb
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Ty Blitz.

[Daywolf]

I don't have any issues with assholes. The problem is that many people do and that renders Cruz unelectable. His particular brand of assholery (pious arrogance) is also particularly worrisome in a leader. Put Cruz on the SCOTUS where he can do far more good and need not worry about electability.
Well my post seems to be pointing away from rather than pointing to. In light of the topic of this thread; away from Kasich is a given, obviously. But the contrast is there, pointing to, but in general and not specifically at any particular nominee.

But in the matter of pointing to, this doesn't seem to exclude Donald in that observation, and wouldn't seem to fall into my strikeout list. But you know my standing in the matter, you're an observant person in these forums. I am fond of both of them for the purpose at hand, both assholes hah, and a purpose that needs to be addressed as no other. That's not Kasich, Rubio or even a possible hidden latecomer such as Romney. Lilliputians I say, certainly so, and a likely devastating hit to a party in revolt as it stands, as anyway my observation from a fringe party.

But I see two possibilities, possibly even a ticket in that as a likely outcome the way things are going. And to me, seems like anything else will likely be the same defeated outcome, predetermined out of defeatism as has been the norm at least in national elections out of the RNC. But I leave you something to gawk at, maybe a little outside of your projections Don and Ted's most excellent adventures (http://theweek.com/articles/610304/why-ted-cruz-tapped-vp). I don't agree with all parts of that article though, such as scenario #2 with Rubio having any chance of taking Idaho haha! But in general, the writer has a good grasp of things.
viva la revolucion!

[Lojik]

Watching the debates, it reminded me why I dislike almost every politician again. They're either uninformed, just plain stupid, or preoccupied with their competition. On the surface I'd agree that Kasich seemed the most reasonable, but I also agree with Lune that he is probably just full of shit.

One of my main issues with mainstream politics is that (at least from the numbers I saw) most americans want the us to become less involved in the affairs of other countries. However, in the US there exists a very vocal minority to this idea, that will label you almost traitorous if you take this position. I find this especially true with older Americans regardless of political affiliation, and they'll simply refuse to acknowledge any position you might take as long as it "betrays all we worked for on liberating the world in WW2." Even though the largest percentage of our discretionary spending goes to defense, there won't be an elected president of either party willing to actually limit defense spending. There's too many powerful factions still feeding off the victory propaganda of ww2, and too vocal a group of people unable to see past it.

[Pokesan]

calling it defense spending while crying about our global hegemony ought to disqualify you from voting

[Lune]

Watching the debates, it reminded me why I dislike almost every politician again. They're either uninformed, just plain stupid, or preoccupied with their competition. On the surface I'd agree that Kasich seemed the most reasonable, but I also agree with Lune that he is probably just full of shit.

One of my main issues with mainstream politics is that (at least from the numbers I saw) most americans want the us to become less involved in the affairs of other countries. However, in the US there exists a very vocal minority to this idea, that will label you almost traitorous if you take this position. I find this especially true with older Americans regardless of political affiliation, and they'll simply refuse to acknowledge any position you might take as long as it "betrays all we worked for on liberating the world in WW2." Even though the largest percentage of our discretionary spending goes to defense, there won't be an elected president of either party willing to actually limit defense spending. There's too many powerful factions still feeding off the victory propaganda of ww2, and too vocal a group of people unable to see past it.

Not only is it politically illegal to limit it, Republicans are hell bent on increasing it. (And Democrats are complicit, especially ones from military states.) Made me cringe during the debates listening to all the candidates calling for shit the Pentagon doesn't even need or want, like strategic bombers, which are almost completely irrelevant to the US military's situation, and talking about "rebuilding" our "broken" military as if we don't currently have the most powerful military machine in human history.

We need to scale it back to how it was before WW2, when we had only a token standing army and a very large navy. We have the luxury of being situated in our own hemisphere with large oceans full of American ships protecting us from everyone else's bullshit. And with all the money we'd save on defense spending we could invest in enough energy infrastructure to achieve energy independence so we don't even have to bend over for OPEC. Then we can just do our own thing while the Middle East destroys itself.