Sleeper

[Kelor]

Is there any talk of putting sleeper back in?

[falkun]

You are, right now. No one else is, especially not server admins/guides/developers.

[Llandris]

You are, right now. No one else is, especially not server admins/guides/developers.

Well now, let's not go that far

[falkun]

Let me rephrase: Server admins/guides/developers are not discussing "putting the sleeper back in" publicly. "Public" defined as a place that I, as a layman, can quote from.

[Lanuven]

Well now, let's not go that far

So you're saying we could be the first guild to ever wake him twice on the same server?! Can't wait !

[Morlaeth]

So you're saying we could be the first guild to ever wake him twice on the same server?! Can't wait !

LOL'd

[Swish]

The script might... you know... be adjusted. Sleeper seemed to vanish on the night after zoning ;)

[Juevento]

The script might... you know... be adjusted. Sleeper seemed to vanish on the night after zoning ;)

You posted from the wrongn account again, bud.

[Freakish]

Didn't rallos zek get to wake him twice? There was one server the gms reset it because the server had united to kill Kerafrym and GMs had gone and despawned it during the attempt.

[falkun]

So first to three times?

[Spyder73]

At this point I think he would be killed again within a week of being reset...will only get worse as time goes by

[Rygar]

Placing the sleeper back in would be the utmost un-classic move in my opinion. Part of the allure of the sleeper is you can only wake him once, I always find it so interesting when he was awakened on live servers. I think it speaks a lot to human psychology and speaks to the community of players on the server.

On Live, one could argue that wakening the sleeper 'might' have opened up some higher level undiscovered quests and content. However on P99 this argument is moot, it was just short term gratification instead of long term community gain. I've met a lot of people that are extremely generous, so was shocked to see the sleeper being awakened (as well as disappointed).

[Ele]

Didn't rallos zek get to wake him twice? There was one server the gms reset it because the server had united to kill Kerafrym and GMs had gone and despawned it during the attempt.

Yeah, the GMs watching the first attempt after awakening on Rallos despawned him (since hp regen was bugged and they figured it was an exploit anyway since he wasn't supposed to be killable). After outcry from RZ, the GMs reset it and allow them to gather and do another attempt (hp regen bug was still active) and they killed Kera on the second try.

Al'Kabor (EQMac) also had him reset in 2013.

Al'Kabor kept him sleeping for 12+ years. Then a select group of individuals (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94220) woke him in January 2013.

The community outcry got him reset, then they woke him as a community event the night (or a few days?) before the server went offline permanently in November 2013.

[fiveeauxfour]

Didn't rallos zek get to wake him twice? There was one server the gms reset it because the server had united to kill Kerafrym and GMs had gone and despawned it during the attempt.

apparently they were exploiting some bug that was present during a patch, so they reset it yea

[Daldaen]

Yeah, the GMs watching the first attempt after awakening on Rallos despawned him (since hp regen was bugged and they figured it was an exploit anyway since he wasn't supposed to be killable). After outcry from RZ, the GMs reset it and allow them to gather and do another attempt (hp regen bug was still active) and they killed Kera on the second try.

Al'Kabor (EQMac) also had him reset in 2013.

Al'Kabor kept him sleeping for 12+ years. Then a select group of individuals (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94220) woke him in January 2013.

The community outcry got him reset, then they woke him as a community event the night (or a few days?) before the server went offline permanently in November 2013.

Funny thing about Al'Kabor was the server came down every other Wednesday around 5-6AM EST, as a means to keep the server regular and serve as a full repop.

When the server came down after the sleeper awakened, it put him back to sleep naturally without Hobart intervening at all. So ironically, just because of how the server was set up to reset itself bi-monthly, it would've put him back to sleep on its own.

Also it was awoken twice on Al'Kabor. In the situation listed above and in the final week of Al'Kabor it was awoken again. Everything was bugged to hell in both scripts. Skyshrine was populated with Dougs, no new quests worked, etc.

The RZ situation they were "exploiting" the fact that NPCs weren't regening HP in combat. While this is a bug, it's sort of tough to call it an exploit since there is no workaround. You aren't purposefully doing something out of the ordinary to get an advantage, the game was just broken. Everyone fighting Orc pawns were exploiting too because they weren't regening. There's no way around it when the game has such a bug.

But they reset it before he was killed, then apologized and let them try again, before the bug was fixed. At which point they killed it. So they never killed and woke him twice, the GMs just de popped their first attempt.

[fiveeauxfour]

BUT there is precedent for GMs resetting the sleeper!

[Daldaen]

BUT there is precedent for GMs resetting the sleeper!

I suppose that is true in the case of Rallos Zek. On Al'Kabor the server reset itself without Hobart's intervention though. A funny way of it purging itself of some of those individuals.

I think a quest to put the sleeper back to sleep would be an excellent idea for custom content once the server timeline is complete.

However, with as disruptive as that sleeper script is, it should be limited to only firing off once every month or something. Or maybe just have the quest difficult to complete. Could be a huge plat sink or something to get the sleeper sleeping again.

Though... We should just aim for Luclin and PoP instead $$$$.

[Llandris]

I think a quest to put the sleeper back to sleep would be an excellent idea for custom content once the server timeline is complete.

You're on the right path

[FatMice]

Should require all the major city rulers head and some. like some mega multi-layered quest. Would be "epic."

[Legday]

BUT there is precedent for GMs resetting the sleeper!

Resetting the sleeper is....classic?

[Tankdan]

That'd literally be as unclassic as it could possibly get. Worse than instanced raiding.

[FatMice]

That'd literally be as unclassic as it could possibly get. Worse than instanced raiding.

I giggled.

[Ele]

Should require all the major city rulers head and some. like some mega multi-layered quest. Would be "epic."

Spawn 24 drakelings around the ST statue, each one requires a specific piece of Vulak loot as tribute. Once all 24 pieces are traded, they despawn and an event starts to put the sleeper back.

[Thulack]

That'd literally be as unclassic as it could possibly get. Worse than instanced raiding.

Best thing that ever happened to Everquest. Who the fuck wanted live to be how P99 has become?

[Ele]

Best thing that ever happened to Everquest. Who the fuck wanted live to be how P99 has become?

I've read stories about the new progression servers having instancing, but it is still a DPS race on individual mobs. lol

[Jimjam]

You're on the right path

Chase the dragon, slip him a ruffee?

[Dacien]

So uh, how about Mayong Mistmoore? Haven't seen him terrorize anyone in a while. Let's bring him back.

[Raev]

I hope the sleeper is put back at some point. I don't see why Luclin and Planes of Power wouldn't be better than custom content, though (admittedly I never played them). I always thought EQ had great content, it was the mechanics and code bugs that let them down.

[Daldaen]

Should just put Warders back in but remove their specific loots, just have them drop primals only. Wouldn't be much QQ about that as custom content.

[khandman]

So you're saying we could be the first guild to ever wake him twice on the same server?! Can't wait !

Waking the sleeper is one thing, defeating the sleeper is another :)

[Thiefboy777]

You're on the right path

Mindblown....there is a future for us.

[Culkasi]

I hope the sleeper is put back at some point. I don't see why Luclin and Planes of Power wouldn't be better than custom content, though (admittedly I never played them). I always thought EQ had great content, it was the mechanics and code bugs that let them down.

I think the problem is, the size of the world we have is pretty perfect, if you add in Luclin and PoP, its going to turn more of the content into ghost towns. Admittedly, something is wrong on the top end raid scene, but in terms of content, if you add more, you just dilute.

[Fuddwin]

I think the problem is, the size of the world we have is pretty perfect, if you add in Luclin and PoP, its going to turn more of the content into ghost towns. Admittedly, something is wrong on the top end raid scene, but in terms of content, if you add more, you just dilute.

Great point but I think maybe the population of the server would rise if Luclin/PoP were known to be on the horizon or population may rise once they are/would be released.... At any rate, I p sure someone has said in the past, that a lot of the coding for those expansions was stripped from here (w/e that means) so I doubt we would see full on Luclin/PoP expansion... We could only wish... I LOVED Luclin and PoP, mainly because of tradeskill expansion!!

[Raev]

I think the problem is, the size of the world we have is pretty perfect, if you add in Luclin and PoP, its going to turn more of the content into ghost towns. Admittedly, something is wrong on the top end raid scene, but in terms of content, if you add more, you just dilute.

I mean, I love the fact that Siren's Grotto is empty and all I have to do is form a group up. That's how it should be. And the reality is we have . . . I'd say maybe 1/3? as much raid content as we could use. Sim repops would help to get more mileage out of it, but I think we could easily absorb another continent.

Should just put Warders back in but remove their specific loots, just have them drop primals only. Wouldn't be much QQ about that as custom content.

The staff should tell the people QQing about their inability to deny other people pixels to fuck off. My monk is awesome because I play him well - and because I'm a nice guy :cool: - not because I'm wearing some stupid robe. Give it a year and reset the Tomb.

[Daldaen]

Luclin and PoP would make Poopsocking and CotH racing history. Guilds would spread out and it would be majestical. Best raid content out there by far.

[Morlaeth]

Luclin and PoP would make Poopsocking and CotH racing history. Guilds would spread out and it would be majestical. Best raid content out there by far.

You know, I don't hate the Luclin and POP idea now.

[Man0warr]

Nah, people would just find new ways to be dicks in the raid scene.

[Nuggie]

You're on the right path

GDI, no spoilers!

[falkun]

Luclin and PoP would make Poopsocking and CotH racing history. Guilds would spread out and it would be majestical. Best raid content out there by far.

I call bullshit. RZtWL and EmpSsra were both MASSIVE gatekeeper mobs, similar to how Trak is the gatekeeper for VP. And we all know how contested he was when he was current content. Yes, one kill flags/keys a LOT more people than Trakanon does, which only makes EVERY KILL matter that much more, 1-2 lost and you've now let in a whole new raid force into your playground(s).

[Daldaen]

I call bullshit. RZtWL and EmpSsra were both MASSIVE gatekeeper mobs, similar to how Trak is the gatekeeper for VP. And we all know how contested he was when he was current content. Yes, one kill flags/keys a LOT more people than Trakanon does, which only makes EVERY KILL matter that much more, 1-2 lost and you've now let in a whole new raid force into your playground(s).

Good luck CotH racing to RZtW.

[Man0warr]

It only got worse before instancing.

On some servers, the top guild focused all it's efforts every week on killing Rallos Zek to keep everyone else from entering the Elemental Planes. Same for Emperor Ssra in Luclin.

[Freakish]

It only got worse before instancing.

On some servers, the top guild focused all it's efforts every week on killing Rallos Zek to keep everyone else from entering the Elemental Planes. Same for Emperor Ssra in Luclin.

My server had people blowing coirnav cycle triggers and fennin do triggers so other guilds couldn't get into plane of time. I guarantee the same would happen here.

[Daldaen]

I don't doubt it.

My argument is that wouldn't be a weekly thing. No one is going to be CotH racing to Manaetic Behemoth, or Aerin Dar, or Lord Mithaniel Marr.

Emperor, Rallos Zek, and Coirnav will be the areas you see blocking.

Your guild gets its foot in the door, the blocking of content stops making sense. It would be limited to 1 mob at a time and guilds can't cover it all, especially considering you can't cross zone pull the majority of the encounters like you can in Velious.

[Uuruk]

I don't doubt it.

My argument is that wouldn't be a weekly thing. No one is going to be CotH racing to Manaetic Behemoth, or Aerin Dar, or Lord Mithaniel Marr.

Emperor, Rallos Zek, and Coirnav will be the areas you see blocking.

Your guild gets its foot in the door, the blocking of content stops making sense. It would be limited to 1 mob at a time and guilds can't cover it all, especially considering you can't cross zone pull the majority of the encounters like you can in Velious.

There are quite a few servers for this. Instead if banging your head against NtoV for the next 5 years move to one of them and show your support for Everquest emulators. I have no idea how people are still having fun raiding here.

[khanable]

quest needs to involve a 500 man raid force trying to kill kerafym to put him back to sleep



in Kurns tower

[Freakish]

Wtb bone chips.

[Daldaen]

Should make it a community effort.

Require all 6 VP Dragons to die within 1 minute of each other to put him back to sleep. Meaning they need to all be left up and you need a few different raid forces ready to engage them Lololol.

[Erati]

Have an npc willing to respawn the Sleeper and Warders if 3 Guises of the Decievers are turned in

Can be respawned each time til no more Guises are left but mine muahahaha

[Man0warr]

There are quite a few servers for this. Instead if banging your head against NtoV for the next 5 years move to one of them and show your support for Everquest emulators. I have no idea how people are still having fun raiding here.

None of the other emulators have P99's level of "classicness" and polish. Or they allow boxing.

[Kluwen1]

Should make it a community effort.

Require all 6 VP Dragons to die within 1 minute of each other to put him back to sleep. Meaning they need to all be left up and you need a few different raid forces ready to engage them Lololol.

I just had flash backs of the Rathe Council fight

[Daldaen]

I just had flash backs of the Rathe Council fight

One of the best raid encounters PoP had. Each of the 4 EP Gods were superb encounters. They all tested different aspects of your guild's abilities and your coordination. It really enforced that a well balanced guild is the best guild.

[azeth]

Quest completion requires 600 players on P99 to simultaneously equip 3 pieces of NTOV loot and at minimum 200 to equip a vulak loot

[ezri]

Should require all the major city rulers head and some. like some mega multi-layered quest. Would be "epic."

More excuses to kill Lucan! Count me in haha :D

[Lorian]

None of the other emulators have P99's level of "classicness" and polish. Or they allow boxing.

Oh yeah? You'd find that on some other servers who use actual classic era clients, have very little boxing during raids. As the P2002 pop grows I doubt you'd see boxes on any raid. Think there was 3 or 4 boxes on my last PoH raid, rest of us played single.

I'd suggest you make a toon there and see for yourself! :D

[Valrok]

Sirken mentioned a few casts ago that there were no plans in re-implementing Sleeper and seemed as though it was not even a possibility. Please correct me if I misunderstood though.

[khanable]

Sirken mentioned a few casts ago that there were no plans in re-implementing Sleeper and seemed as though it was not even a possibility. Please correct me if I misunderstood though.

Yes this was the case but guide llandris has more or less confirmed a quest-esque custom content to put it back to sleep

Whether or not he/she speaks for the devs, though...

[Freakish]

I mean if I was a GM that planned on resetting it I wouldn't tell the server. Because every time I reset it, some dumb schluck is going to say well might as well kill it, there's no downside. They'll just reset it anyway.

[planarity]

As a member of rampage, I only agreed to participate in waking the sleeper because I was told that hoku had spoken to the GMs who had said he would be put back to sleep (eventually).

[Pokesan]

As a member of rampage, I only agreed to participate in waking the sleeper because I was told that hoku had spoken to the GMs who had said he would be put back to sleep (eventually).

http://i.imgur.com/eHoRjeT.gif

[Slave35]

As a member of rampage, I only agreed to participate in waking the sleeper because I was told that hoku had spoken to the GMs who had said he would be put back to sleep (eventually).

http://i.imgur.com/JsDWPaE.jpg

[JayDee]

I only agreed to participate in waking the sleeper because I was told that hoku had spoken to the GMs who had said he would be put back to sleep (eventually).

You were only gay for the stay

[planarity]

I don't know any of you guys, and none of your responses make any sense to me.

[Slave35]

I don't know any of you guys,

THAT'S MY PURSE