Toons for Sale?

[Dunes]

Hey guys,

Anyone who has noticed any trend to my posts whatsoever knows that Im a pretty upbeat, non complaining guy ;)

But I ask you all to take a look a the the EC Tunnel thread and tell me what you see there. When I glanced today, 8 of the 20 non sticky auctions were for toons. This trend has grown significantly just in the last 3 months, and before long thats going to be a problem. Now, Im no economist, but something about this trend makes me uneasy.

Atleast on ther surface, this seems to be a very "unclassic" trend, but times have changed and we play our games differently these days. Personally, Im a little undecided as to whether this is a good thing (why?) or a bad thing (why?).

Without ranting or flaming, what are your thoughts on this?

[guineapig]

It kind of bugs me too how many characters and accounts have been for sale lately. It's getting to a point where something like Vent will be a necessity to be sure you know who it is you're speaking to.

I think it would be fair to force character names to be posted for any sales that happen on these forums.

The person selling the character shouldn't care anyway and the person buying should have a right to know if the character he's purchasing has a bad rep.

I wonder how many people already own characters in all the top end raid guilds... I'm sure somebody has done it already.

[Omnimorph]

Well i can understand there's a market for it, but at the same time i can see why it's a detriment to the server. The server is currently at a bottleneck till kunark comes out, and in that time people are trying to accrue decent amounts of plat for new items when the expansion comes out.

Some people farm seafuries, some camp frenzied or freeti for hours and hours... what seems to be a popular method at the moment is levelling up a toon and selling it.

If you think about the price you're paying for a level 50 toon as opposed to how long it would take to get that level paying the standard 1-2k per hour PL... it's practically a bargain.

People will continue to do it until it's either banned, or possibly having it's own section on the forums.

[feste]

I dont think anyone cares about how the buyers are getting away without leveling (at least very few) because to have the cash for one of these characters they already have put in tons of time. its a player rep thing. So it could be fixed by the list of names like guineapig said. or maybe a last name that sticks to the player not the character.

[xshayla701]

I think it would be fair to force character names to be posted for any sales that happen on these forums.

The person selling the character shouldn't care anyway and the person buying should have a right to know if the character he's purchasing has a bad rep.

This

[Kassel]

I dont think anyone cares about how the buyers are getting away without leveling (at least very few) because to have the cash for one of these characters they already have put in tons of time

Not always... there is a website which i wont name that sells plat for real money. It is possible this website can get the server shut down completly by sony. There is some discussion about it in various threads in RnF and i think one in the ECtunnel.

Personally i am not a fan of toon sales, however if GMs banned this in game and on this forum it would simply go underground to a 3rd party website. I cant imagine our GM's are in a position to spend thousands on lawyers to petition cease and desist requests

[guineapig]

Hence why I am requesting that character names be made mandatory on the sales, instead of requesting that sales be ended.

As long as I know that #_random_player_01 is not the same guy he was a week ago, I'm fine with it. At least it's some form of checks and balances.

[Kassel]

Hence why I am requesting that character names be made mandatory on the sales, instead of requesting that sales be ended.

Not a bad idea, but how would gm's enforce such a thing when trades can ben done via multiple media that they do not have the resources to control.

[Winobot]

Gms wouldn't. It would have to be enforced/controlled by the playerbase. For example, someone could setup a thread and get it stickied, to the affect of "Traded/Bought/Sold characters". This would allow guilds to peruse the list and see if they are about to recruit a known bought/traded/sold character. There would of course be underground transactions; people like Bob obviously want to stay in business and being discreet means people are more willing to buy.

Just a thought, there could be a ton of holes, but I agree, would be nice to have some deets about these 'village bike' toons! Obviously there would have to be some kind of evidence/follow-up, and some anonymity from the community, I think people would be more willing to rat out friends/guildmates if they knew they wouldn’t get caught as the whistle blower.

[Akame]

I dislike character sales because the person driving may have no knowledge of the class. A level 50 is supposed to have 50 levels of experience playing that class, and you just don't know now if they bought it yesterday or can actually play.

[Mcbard]

Hey guys,

Anyone who has noticed any trend to my posts whatsoever knows that Im a pretty upbeat, non complaining guy ;)

But I ask you all to take a look a the the EC Tunnel thread and tell me what you see there. When I glanced today, 8 of the 20 non sticky auctions were for toons. This trend has grown significantly just in the last 3 months, and before long thats going to be a problem. Now, Im no economist, but something about this trend makes me uneasy.

Atleast on ther surface, this seems to be a very "unclassic" trend, but times have changed and we play our games differently these days. Personally, Im a little undecided as to whether this is a good thing (why?) or a bad thing (why?).

Without ranting or flaming, what are your thoughts on this?


Why I think it's a bad thing:
1. In an ideal world I think the more people time put into their toon the higher levels/better gear it should have. This obviously doesn't happen for a number of reasons, but in general that's what I believe, and selling toons violates this.
2. Certain characters have certain reputations the seller may know about that the buyer may not. This could perhaps cause some conflict?
3. It seems like a very disrespectful thing to do if you've been in a guild a long time and people have helped you gear up and make your toon better and you're just going to sell it.

I can't honestly think of any reasons why I would think it is a good thing, but it's mostly none of my business since I'm not the one buying/selling characters anyway. I guess it allows people who are bored with their main to switch things up and get a little plat out of it? That's the only good I see coming out of it.

[Crone]

Where is a noob going to get 50k+ for a level 50? From their main.. and if they leveled one toon up to 50, and farmed 50k plat, you don't think they will be able to play another class at least well enough to not be retarded? Maybe I give p99 players more credit than they deserve, but it's not that hard to play a toon...

[Chanus]

The problem isn't that the bought toon will be played by someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

The problem is if toon selling is the way things are, then people will only be farming plat or powerleveling toons to be sold. This results in greatly reduced opportunities for truly new players or players who are less concerned about being max-level to find other people to play with. It is a contributing factor to eliminating a viable less-than-max-level game.

[guineapig]

Gms wouldn't. It would have to be enforced/controlled by the playerbase.


Exactly! We could at least try to control the transactions that are made on the forums being making a character name a requirement. Most of the transactions happen here anyway and anyone with nothing to hide won't mind.

There is nothing wrong with purchasing a mage to farm with in your off time because your main is permacamped in sky. Why should you keep this a secret? Why shouldn't you be allowed to know if that lvl 50 mage used to be the biggest griefer on the server 2 months ago?

That's just an example. but anyway, if the majority of the server wants to avoide the shadiness aspect of things then this would be a good first step. Have a subforum or thread in EC Tunnel for character sales and make the toon name mandatory or risk having the post deleted. End of story.

If people feel the need to circumvent that then it's more work involved for them and tough luck, nobody cares.

[korrowan]

I still have no idea why any of this matters. The majority of people playing on this server have been dedicated to EQ and likely touched upon all the classes at one time or another. This game is not rocket science.

[Yak]

To me personally I think it's ironic because EQ Classic is a hard game where you have to work for anything and nothing comes easy. The reason they are for sale is the supply and demand. People are too lazy and want that certain class now and don't want to have to go through the leveling. They think because they caped out one class and played through the game, that the game owes them something and should be able to snap there fingers and buy a toon like that. You then will argue that it does take time to eran the plat. This is true but with some classes, like Druid and Mage it is easier and still way less time to level a toon from 1-50. It also ruins the spirit of the game of being able to have a reputation. I think too that people to level a class and get bored with it feel like something should be owed to them for their time. Personally I think this is as bad if people were selling plat for real gold. What's next selling accounts on Ebay?

[Teensy Weensy]

I think the GM's have enough on their plate without dealing with all this

[Yak]

I think the GM's have enough on their plate without dealing with all this

Agreed! However, it is up to the community to respect the classic rules and not ask or sell accounts.

[Chanus]

There's nothing the GMs really need to deal with. Trading accounts for plat isn't against the rules.

[Crone]

Agreed! However, it is up to the community to respect the classic rules and not ask or sell accounts.

Classic rules? It wasn't against classic rules to sell accounts for in game money/items. So what rule are we talking about?

Edit: Oops, guess i'm wrong per mitic. Forgot that transferring to anyone else regardless of reason was against the rules. Never saw this enforced, EVER, but I did see the selling of accounts for cash enforced.

[mitic]

Classic rules? It wasn't against classic rules to sell accounts for in game money/items. So what rule are we talking about?

say again?

EVERQUEST� USER AGREEMENT AND SOFTWARE LICENSE

1. Accounts are available only to adults or, in their discretion, their minor child. If you are a minor, your parent(s) or guardian(s) must complete the registration process, in which case they will take full responsibility for all obligations under this Agreement. By clicking the "I Accept" button and providing us with a credit card number, you represent that you are an adult and are either accepting this Agreement on behalf of yourself or your child. You may not transfer or share your Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account). You are liable for all activities conducted through the Account, and parents or guardians are liable for the activities of their child. Corporations and other entities are not eligible to procure Accounts.

[Crone]

Oops, forgot about that because it was never enforced. :P

I did see many times warning against buying or selling accounts for cash, but never anything about sharing accounts. Right from the start my friends all multi boxed each others accounts, all the time, and never had any problems. :(

[mitic]

Oops, forgot about that because it was never enforced. :P

I did see many times warning against buying or selling accounts for cash, but never anything about sharing accounts. Right from the start my friends all multi boxed each others accounts, all the time, and never had any problems. :(

right from start? it wasnt possible to box in 1999

[Crone]

Umm, ya it was? Multiple computers loading up multiple accounts? What you talking about?

[Auchae]

It isn't that EQ is "hard". This is all content that veterans have grinded, quested, tradeskilled, raided, trained, camped, and whatever else for literally hundreds of hours. It's ten years old. Yeah, you have to work for what you have, but there's really not a challenge beyond dealing with bad groups and stupid players. Druids who constantly melee without ever sitting and wonder why they're always out of mana; monks pulling 12 mobs with the only justification being that they have a damage shield; rangers who get low on health, panic, and immediately start trying to kite the mob, completely ignoring the fact that we are INSIDE, then throw a hissy fit because "twinks dont die that easy you guys didnt heal me" and proceeds to ragequit. (sorry, kind of a run on. Tried not to do it) What I'm getting at is, ironically, the people around me usually make the game seem much harder than it is. And, unfortunately, when I want to play the classes I really enjoy, I can't just ditch those people. I can't backstab a mob when I'm the only one on it's aggro list.

Main point being that EQ is time consuming and frustrating long before it is particularly hard. Most people don't have time to level a character to 50 as fast as possible. It does take a lot of work and quite a few days played, but really that just falls under time again. There is no real money involved at all, so I don't see a problem with it. Honestly, there are times when it feels like I almost need a farming class to be where I want to be with another character. Obviously this isn't true, but it feels that way sometimes.

People just want to skip the hassle. The end game is a big goal for most people (not all, there are the casuals who take it easy and watch the grass grow) and the grind is the way to get there. Sometimes the grind is not appealing at all.

Let em do it. It's not for something tangible, it's for a pixel.

I'm seriously bored.

[mitic]

Umm, ya it was? Multiple computers loading up multiple accounts? What you talking about?

thats not boxing ;)

[Crone]

Lol.. umm, ya it is? that's where the word boxing freakin' came from. Multi-boxing, aka boxing. Box = computer.

Computers rock and rolled and got better to where you could load up multiple instances on the same one, but in the beginning boxing meant actual multiple computers.

[dredge]

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[Chanus]

thats not boxing ;)

That's uh... that's why it's called "boxing" ... multiple computers or "boxes".

[korrowan]

all this is really confusing to me.

I can see where a person could spend tons of time and level up a toon to 50, farm items and accumulate lots of plat. Now were talking about "fantasy" money here, so this person want's to trade all this "fantasy" money with another person for their toon or whatnot, both parties here have had to invest tons of time in order to get all this "fantasy" money in the first place right?

This is assuming that no real $$$ is being made or exchanged here.

What I fail to understand is WHY anyone would spend so much time and effort into something that has no "real life" value.

People set up businesses here, trading services for plat etc..

What does it all add up to?
Do these people sit back and say "wow I'm so filthy rich in fantasy money, I'll never have to work a real job again?"

I mean it's kind of sad the amount of time and effort put into something that could go poof and disappear overnight and has no real value.

If that's where you receive your entertainment then who am I to judge. I put some time into playing EQ because I find it entertaining but I realize that it's just a video game and has nothing to do with real life.

Good story brah.

[mitic]

This is assuming that no real $$$ is being made or exchanged here.


id bet a weeks salary that there IS real $ involved. some toon seller /ooced yesterday, that he made already over 5millions of pp

what is someone supposed to buy with 5 millions of pp ingame? the highest priced item rite now is what? aon? how much does it cost? 200ish kpp?

[dredge]

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[korrowan]

id bet a weeks salary that there IS real $ involved. some toon seller /ooced yesterday, that he made already over 5millions of pp

what is someone supposed to buy with 5 millions of pp ingame? the highest priced item rite now is what? aon? how much does it cost? 200ish kpp?

My friends father played EQ for 6 years soley to gain PP. Some people just like making mad loot.

[Chanus]

The Economy is the game to some people. Just like some people want to raise all their Tradeskills or some people want to farm a bunch of outdated and useless items just to say they have them.

[Nimblerot]

The Economy is the game to some people. Just like some people want to raise all their Tradeskills or some people want to farm a bunch of outdated and useless items just to say they have them.

This. What a few of you are saying, in that you don't understand the point of acquiring that much platinum, are ignoring that gameplay enjoyment is relative. Some people enjoy the grind, some people enjoy playing the endgame. Some people enjoy random questing, tradeskills, other things that other people may view as "pointless". There have always been people that have and will enjoy making as much money as they can, although admittedly they are in the minority.

As far as the selling character issue goes, I feel like the necessary steps from the GMs have already been taken in removing real life money from transactions. The arguments against being allowed to sell and trade accounts are easily handled by the player base. If you are concerned that someone is not able to play their class because they bought their character, group with them before inviting them to important groups or your guild. If they are bad, don't invite them back. If they are good, it's irrelevant.

If this server is supposed to have a true classic feel, well, this was definitely a part of the game. If someone wants to buy a character, they most certainly understand the risks that run with it in regards to buying a character with a poor reputation. If it isn't infringing on anyones ability to play the game, it isn't an issue that the GMs need to bother with.

[Dantes]

The economy is going to be fucked up beyond recognition. Folks are so bored and there's so much plat out there. This is why characters are bought and sold. I expect to see some REALLY insane offers on items for sale once Kunark comes out. It may slow down and prices will become NORMAL again after a while - if we're lucky. IMO go play another game if you are bored, quit fucking up shit for the rest of us ;)

[Chanus]

The economy is going to be fucked up beyond recognition. Folks are so bored and there's so much plat out there. This is why characters are bought and sold. I expect to see some REALLY insane offers on items for sale once Kunark comes out. It may slow down and prices will become NORMAL again after a while - if we're lucky. IMO go play another game if you are bored, quit fucking up shit for the rest of us ;)

That's kind of always been the problem.

There's nowhere to put plat except in the banks of other players.

[One Tin Soldier]

Could one of you clarify something for me regarding this because I'm kind of clueless.

Say a person starts playing on their own account then buys another account. Then they alternately play each account (not simultaneaously). Is that not breaking any rules?

Basically, is it ok to have two accounts from the same IP as long you don't play them both at the same time?

[Chanus]

Could one of you clarify something for me regarding this because I'm kind of clueless.

Say a person starts playing on their own account then buys another account. Then they alternately play each account (not simultaneaously). Is that not breaking any rules?

Basically, is it ok to have two accounts from the same IP as long you don't play them both at the same time?

It is not breaking any rules here if it's purchased with plat and not real money.

And you can have as many accounts as you like, but only one account can be played at a given time. (like, you can log out of your warrior on one account and then into your cleric on another... just not both at the same time)

[One Tin Soldier]

It is not breaking any rules here if it's purchased with plat and not real money.

And you can have as many accounts as you like, but only one account can be played at a given time. (like, you can log out of your warrior on one account and then into your cleric on another... just not both at the same time)

Ok thanks.

I asked that question because I did create two accounts so two members of my family could each have a separate account. But we don't play at the same time so I thought it was ok.

I began to wonder if I was wrong because I just got IP banned today and I have no idea why.

[Chanus]

If more than one were logged in at the same time, that could be why (if you didn't ask for an IP exemption).

Also, sometimes if you go linkdead, it will say your IP is banned when you try to log back in until your character clears the world.

[citizen1080]

For the record I haven't made 5 million pp. Yet =)

I have brokered just shy of 6 million now.

[mitic]

..... If you are concerned that someone is not able to play their class because they bought their character,....


if someone has those thousands of platinum do buy a char, then he will know the basics of every class and most likely wont suck playing the char he bought.

so, IF someone comes up as a lvl 50 and doesnt have a clue how he has to play the game, then i highly doubt that he had the "ingame" money to afford the char in the first place

now we can come up with the argument that a friend bought him the account with his platinum but .... yeah, whatever.....

[One Tin Soldier]

If more than one were logged in at the same time, that could be why (if you didn't ask for an IP exemption).

Also, sometimes if you go linkdead, it will say your IP is banned when you try to log back in until your character clears the world.

They were not both logged in at the same time. Never have been either.

I don't know if I went LD. The game just went down suddenly and when I tried to log back in it said I was temporarily banned. Then I tried again in a few minutes and it let me in and let me play for a few minutes and then the game shut down again and when I tried to get back in it once again said I was temp banned.

[Chanus]

They were not both logged in at the same time. Never have been either.

I don't know if I went LD. The game just went down suddenly and when I tried to log back in it said I was temporarily banned. Then I tried again in a few minutes and it let me in and let me play for a few minutes and then the game shut down again and when I tried to get back in it once again said I was temp banned.

Yeah, it says that but you aren't really banned. It just means you still have a character logged in (you go Linkdead when the game shuts down like that).

[One Tin Soldier]

Yeah, it says that but you aren't really banned. It just means you still have a character logged in (you go Linkdead when the game shuts down like that).

Hmm, ok, well I guess I'll try it again. It should have been long enough by now. Also, sorry for the minor hijack of this thread.

[One Tin Soldier]

Ok, thanks Chanus. It seems to be working again so I can stop panicking now, heh.

[dredge]

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[KilyenaMage]

I think it would be fair to force character names to be posted for any sales that happen on these forums.



That doesn't address the issue of people simply paying for a toon to be leveled 1-50. Unless that's a non-issue for most people, I really don't know.

I've said it several times...when Kunark comes out, mark my words - there will be a ten-fold increase in Rogues, Rangers, Warriors, Monks etc. all of whom will magically be level 50.

[KilyenaMage]

The problem isn't that the bought toon will be played by someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

The problem is if toon selling is the way things are, then people will only be farming plat or powerleveling toons to be sold. This results in greatly reduced opportunities for truly new players or players who are less concerned about being max-level to find other people to play with. It is a contributing factor to eliminating a viable less-than-max-level game.

IE level 20 paladins wielding soulfires - etc.

Have fun trying to get a Rogue epic come kunark, when everyone with a lvl 50 pays to have a Rogue PLed.

[KilyenaMage]

The economy is going to be fucked up beyond recognition. Folks are so bored and there's so much plat out there. This is why characters are bought and sold. I expect to see some REALLY insane offers on items for sale once Kunark comes out. It may slow down and prices will become NORMAL again after a while - if we're lucky. IMO go play another game if you are bored, quit fucking up shit for the rest of us ;)


Basically. I figure that just about ANY Kunark item will be bottom-lining around 20kpp - that's if you're lucky. That being my expected price on items such as a Jade Mace.

[Ongbak]

Well as long as there a buyer, its always going to be a seller.

[Nimblerot]

IE level 20 paladins wielding soulfires - etc.

Have fun trying to get a Rogue epic come kunark, when everyone with a lvl 50 pays to have a Rogue PLed.

Then all those people who paid to have their rogues plvled realize that the server is oversaturated, they aren't needed, can't find groups, get frustrated and it all equalizes. People who are freaking out because they're afraid everyone is suddenly going to be a hard to level melee class need to realize that they're being really irrational.

[dredge]

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[Ames]

Where is a noob going to get 50k+ for a level 50? From their main.. and if they leveled one toon up to 50, and farmed 50k plat, you don't think they will be able to play another class at least well enough to not be retarded? Maybe I give p99 players more credit than they deserve, but it's not that hard to play a toon...

This is a pretty good point. If the person is dropping 50, 60, 70k+ on a well geared level 50, Where the hell do you think they are getting that type of cash? They are obviously not "noobs" if they have access to that kind of platinum here.

[baub]

This is a pretty good point. If the person is dropping 50, 60, 70k+ on a well geared level 50, Where the hell do you think they are getting that type of cash? They are obviously not "noobs" if they have access to that kind of platinum here.

Well, they could be a mage :cool:

[Chanus]

The whole "no noob is going to have that kind of plat" canard totally misses the point.

Why is it okay to condone powerleveling and account trading as a means to skip the lower level game, but not okay to actually play through the lower level game as a multi-box where monopolizing entire zones and excluding those trying to actually play the game and group isn't the direct result of such practice?

How is it one completely destroys the community but the other is perfectly acceptable?

[Crone]

Because regardless of how many people buy accounts, or power level up new toons, the community is still intact. The same number of characters are running around the already crowded world.

You still know, that when you talk to someone, you are talking to a person, and you won't get the afk message: "tells to XYX" toon because they are not paying attention to that character.

Toon sales are for more rare than a new person leveling up through the content. For every toon sold, there are a bunch more actually leveling through the content.

[Ames]

The whole "no noob is going to have that kind of plat" canard totally misses the point.

Why is it okay to condone powerleveling and account trading as a means to skip the lower level game, but not okay to actually play through the lower level game as a multi-box where monopolizing entire zones and excluding those trying to actually play the game and group isn't the direct result of such practice?

How is it one completely destroys the community but the other is perfectly acceptable?

It does not miss the point, It actually nails it right on the head. If you have that kind of plat, you already have a high level who can farm those amounts. If you already leveled 1-50 and since you know how much work goes into it...you might not want to do it again. Im not saying its right, nor am i saying its wrong. What i am saying is that Everquest is a game about...Nothing. You can do whatever you'd like in EQ...Because there is no real point to this game aside from to have fun. If you have fun staring at the EC tunnel walls and trying to sell items, So be it. If you like to raid extensively for those elusive drops, So be it. If you like to farm for days and days to build up 70k plat so you may buy another character that you would like to play, Then so be it. So where do you get off trying to dictate to others how they should play Everquest the "correct" way?

[citizen1080]

It does not miss the point, It actually nails it right on the head. If you have that kind of plat, you already have a high level who can farm those amounts. If you already leveled 1-50 and since you know how much work goes into it...you might not want to do it again. Im not saying its right, nor am i saying its wrong. What i am saying is that Everquest is a game about...Nothing. You can do whatever you'd like in EQ...Because there is no real point to this game aside from to have fun. If you have fun staring at the EC tunnel walls and trying to sell items, So be it. If you like to raid extensively for those elusive drops, So be it. If you like to farm for days and days to build up 70k plat so you may buy another character that you would like to play, Then so be it. So where do you get off trying to dictate to others how they should play Everquest the "correct" way?

Qft

[Tippett]

This is my 1st post, I am a very new player (have been playing for 2 weeks) and everything has been fine. But today I noticed some strange goings on in unrest, a friend and myself were attempting to level in the unrest "yard" area and there were NO mobs at all. My friend commented that this was very strange considering there was under 10 people in said zone. after a bit of walking around we noticed a nude lvl 11 rogue (well not nude they had some cheap scimitar) being PL'd by some 50 CLE. What made it strange to me was that they were taking EVERY mob, like there was a very high sense of urgency in that PL'ing. Attempted /tell to ask if they could leave a portion of the yard open for some lower lvl toons... no reply. I honestly believe this was an example of toon building directly effecting my ability to progress in the game, ( Nro and WC areas are just overpopulated so I was trying to find a different area). There is no way I can prove this was toon building and not just normal PL'ing, but the nude toon being PL'd as well as the lack of responses ( I was being polite as well, not confrontational) made me very suspicious. Im not pissed or anything (just left Unrest) just read alot of people saying if toon building isn't effecting other players it's no ones business to care about it. (Those 2 toons effectively shut down that whole low leveling area)

[Goobles]

This obviously is a GM enforced program. You can not name a character with 3 letters. They had someone change it.... my thoughts is that Bob is either a GM, or has really good ties to a GM.

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No problem, though. This is obviously a very safe thing to do, then. I don't care if it's being done. I think a lot of people are liquidating their 'extra' characters now that Kunark is coming out, and building up a bank for twinkage of their Iksars.

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[Asher]

This obviously is a GM enforced program. You can not name a character with 3 letters. They had someone change it.... my thoughts is that Bob is either a GM, or has really good ties to a GM.


Bob is just a middleman. It is someone else that is doing the PLing and going through Bob for the sales.


Asher

[citizen1080]

This obviously is a GM enforced program. You can not name a character with 3 letters. They had someone change it.... my thoughts is that Bob is either a GM, or has really good ties to a GM.

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No problem, though. This is obviously a very safe thing to do, then. I don't care if it's being done. I think a lot of people are liquidating their 'extra' characters now that Kunark is coming out, and building up a bank for twinkage of their Iksars.

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No GM program here sir =)

My name was originally Bobthe, however Mixxit went on a name changing spree due to policy violations and I made the cut. I logged back in after going to sleep to see my name was Bob. Worked out nicely for me I think!

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Regarding PL teams taking over low lvl zones while PLing:

You will only see amateurs doing this, it is far too slow for anyone trying to make money off power leveling to waste their time there.

From lvl 13 and on a good PLer shouldn't be anywhere but Lguk/SolB/Kedge. It's not about killing shit tons of mobs..its about killing mobs WAY over the toons lvl that you are PLing. Why kill 200 mobs in unrest for a lvl when you can kill 15 in Lguk.

I totally agree that a lvl 50 coming in a taking over unrest or some other zone to PL is frustrating and unfair. However, like I said the people you will see doing this is a buddy pling another buddy etc.

And before you say what about all those poor xp groups in lguk! Live side is all but dead except for the loot camps and dead isn't much better.