Open Halls of Testing raids

[Coopdeloop]

Hi there!

We are probing this subject to see if there is any interest in a reoccurring raid of HoT during mid day hours in Europe (start around 12.00 CET ).

Looking for ppl already experienced in HoT raiding and that are self-moving. Lvls no lower then 56.

Pls send me a PM with Name, class , lvl, and time available.

Will bump this post in a few days and then at the end of the week check PMs.

/Coopdeloop

[Troxx]

56 seems like a really specific cut off.

Why not 55?
Why not 57?
Is your toon 56?

Please advise.

[Man0warr]

You take a lot of damage from AEs as a melee in HoT if you aren't close in level to the wurms (they are 62-64). Even with good fire/cold resists. Level is the bigger determining factor.

Casters/priests are usually hidden though so not as big a deal.

[Spyder73]

56 seems like a really specific cut off.

Why not 55?
Why not 57?
Is your toon 56?

Please advise.

56 is even to low, should be 58. HoT mobs AoE will kill your entire raid on the first pull if its full of 56's.

Also - You will either need to make sure people have the proper faction or have a CoTH mage set up at the exit and CoTH everyone in (a pain in the ass process). Setting up a HoT open raid sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to be honest.

I think that <Asgard> is generally considered a competent/semi-competent group of players and we had a boat load of growing pains when Velious first dropped in regards to HoT.

it's not as simple as getting 50 people and just zerging the entire wing down. Unfortunately you will probably have problems in every phase of trying to pull this off (setting up camp, pulling, handling AoE, tanking, push from melee).

I would set a less ambitious goal. Go clear PoG for loots IMO

I am just trying to be honest and save you from lots of frustration - hope i didn't offend you

[bktroost]

it's not as simple as getting 50 people and just zerging the entire wing down. Unfortunately you will probably have problems in every phase of trying to pull this off (setting up camp, pulling, handling AoE, tanking, push from melee).

I would set a less ambitious goal. Go clear PoG for loots IMO

I am just trying to be honest and save you from lots of frustration - hope i didn't offend you

Why i won't do an open HoT raid.

[bktroost]

Also, if you are not 60 there's no reason to worry about HoT armor. HoT armor is needed for mobs that you need to be 60 to kill. Go farm Seb, KC, Velks, HS, etc. No HoT armor needed for those places.

[azeth]

HoT would have to be done so slowly for a small PUG raid that the payoff I imagine would be minuscule for time invested.

It's really no joke in HoT. Your melee have to wear FR/CR gear and ideally are 4k+ hp buffed to go at even a moderate speed. Otherwise you'll need a ridiculous amount of sham/dru heals to keep your DPS up.

Not to mention that PUG dps isn't exactly helping your cleric mana situation. It's really just a catalystic type of environment. If the wheels are greased, it's smooth and easy. But any interruptions and the trains off the tracks.

[Swish]

Hi there!

We are probing this subject to see if there is any interest in a reoccurring raid of HoT during mid day hours in Europe (start around 12.00 CET ).

Looking for ppl already experienced in HoT raiding and that are self-moving. Lvls no lower then 56.

Pls send me a PM with Name, class , lvl, and time available.

Will bump this post in a few days and then at the end of the week check PMs.

/Coopdeloop

who is "we"?

greetz,
/Swish

[Colgate]

HoT can be done by 1 group

good luck OP, i believe in you

[Coopdeloop]

Here is the promised "bump"

We will get in contact with you when or if we launch this project.

If u haven't heard anything in 10 days then that means we decided on another project , postponed the start date or that we have the ppl we need.

Hope to see u all that PM:ed in a future HoT raid )

/Coopdeloop

[Troxx]

I recall raiding HoT during luclin era with average raid levels lower than 56.

Are resists on p99 that borked?

Granted ... During luclin bards had aoe resist buff and regen song lines.

[thufir]

I recall raiding HoT during luclin era with average raid levels lower than 56.
During Velious era if you came in sub-56 you got slaughtered and/or couldn't land anything. Can't speak for Luclin.

[Troxx]

I played a ranger during luclin era and I remember personally being there in the low 50s. We had a handful of 60s (less than 2 groups) and a smattering of player from the upper 40s to the high 50s. We made sure we had 100+ unbuffed fire/cold resist and I don't recall it being a death sentence. There was a lot of down time, mind you ... but it was doable.

Are the resists on p99 really that borked though? Like I said, on live the aoes were no joke, but it was doable in the low 50s to upper 40s.

[azeth]

I played a ranger during luclin era and I remember personally being there in the low 50s. We had a handful of 60s (less than 2 groups) and a smattering of player from the upper 40s to the high 50s. We made sure we had 100+ unbuffed fire/cold resist and I don't recall it being a death sentence. There was a lot of down time, mind you ... but it was doable.

Are the resists on p99 really that borked though? Like I said, on live the aoes were no joke, but it was doable in the low 50s to upper 40s.

With 255 FR/CR melee will need to be healed during the fight, not afterward. If the melee is a superstar with 5k buffed it's not bad, or if your raids DPS is really high you can kill them without mid-fight heals.

Aside from AEs/resists, the Wyverns rampage. So if your ramp tank goes down, now your PUG melee (typically low hp, non raid geared people) are getting slaughtered from rampage.

So obviously great raid composition makes it doable. Great DPS makes it doable. Great melee HP makes it doable. But overall, you need a lot of positive factors to get it done.

[Colgate]

i usually have around 210/240 cold/fire resist and barely take any damage from the wurm aoes

every mob in HoT can be killed with 3 clerics, shaman, bard, monk

gl

[Nitsude]

The difficulty of HoT is being blown way out of proportion. Venerate has a large number of raiders below 56 and we do HoT just fine.

The challenge for this raid will be a few things:

1. Capable puller
2. Tank(s) with reasonable gear that know how to lead a push.
3. Cleric that can organize a CH chain / timings.
4. Torpor shaman for the ramp tank.
5. Enchanter that can drain caster mobs.

Resists are great, but there's no reason a melee has to die to AEs. If the healing is somewhat light, a low health melee just chills with the casters until topped off. Depending on how many bards show up, make sure your tank has max dmg shield -- mana song for the CH chain is great if it's available.

Good luck if you decide to do it.

[Man0warr]

Yeah but if every melee is low level with no resists and are all waiting to be healed, you aren't killing anything in a timely fashion.

[Nitsude]

Yeah but if every melee is low level with no resists and are all waiting to be healed, you aren't killing anything in a timely fashion.

That's an unlikely scenario; especially if they cap it at 56 and up. A 56+ cleric with mark of karn pretty much takes care of AE damage except fiery and burning guardians. Those will be the toughest mobs for sure, but it's doable.

[Danth]

Halls of Testing seems harder than it should because of the standard mode of operation on P1999: Most any raid I've been on, regardless of guild, probably 1/4 to 1/2 the raid is either AFK or barely paying attention at any given time. Mistakes, as well as inaction due to inattention, are the norm. It ends up taking a lot more people to do stuff than it ought to when a lot of the folks present are giving only minimum effort.

I've done some ToV East here with small forces and it was doable but slow and pretty pointless, akin to less-than-full-group kael arena but with nothing to look at and some piddly AE's thrown in. Halls of Testing is probably one of the most boring raid areas in the game, so the best way to do it is to take as many people as possible to maximize kill rate and be done with it sooner.

Danth

[Culkasi]

Coopdeloop knows what he is doing, please trust that - I am sure there is a lot of well meant advice, but he knows the game better than most of us :)

[Ciroco]

I played a ranger during luclin era and I remember personally being there in the low 50s. We had a handful of 60s (less than 2 groups) and a smattering of player from the upper 40s to the high 50s. We made sure we had 100+ unbuffed fire/cold resist and I don't recall it being a death sentence. There was a lot of down time, mind you ... but it was doable.

Are the resists on p99 really that borked though? Like I said, on live the aoes were no joke, but it was doable in the low 50s to upper 40s.

Can confirm, I was in HoT at 53 on Live and I'm pretty sure I take more damage from the wurms at 60 now than I did then.

[Naerron]

OP should change this post from "Open HoT raid" to "haters unite"

[Efwan]

HoT can be done by 1 group

good luck OP, i believe in you