Trump just lost, will suspend soon

[Blitzers]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274713-trump-proposes-punishing-women-who-get-abortions

Nice way to play into the War on women argument.

I think this is admission of loss by Trump, he's taking the ball and going home. Giving the election to Hillary.

He is trying to create the narrative to force other candidates to answer a question of, would you punish women for abortions. More now then ever I think Trump is a Clinton plant.

[Pokesan]

What's your opinion Blitzers? Should women be punished for having abortions?

[Blitzers]

No they shouldn't, the doctors providing them should be punished

[Pokesan]

In all seriousness though the time for joking is over. Barring a Sanders miracle I'll be voting for Hillary and encourage you all to do the same.

I am officially stumped by Trump's awfulness. It is no longer funny. Fuck him.

[Blitzers]

In all seriousness though the time for joking is over. Barring a Sanders miracle I'll be voting for Hillary and encourage you all to do the same.

I am officially stumped by Trump's awfulness. It is no longer funny. Fuck him.

/bow

[AzzarTheGod]

In all seriousness though the time for joking is over. Barring a Sanders miracle I'll be voting for Hillary and encourage you all to do the same.

I am officially stumped by Trump's awfulness. It is no longer funny. Fuck him.

People predicted he would flame out into a fireball. Its happening.

Who would have thought that even Cruz can pull more crossover votes, at this point, than leftist Trump?

The only serious question left is whether they nominate Cruz, or try to fuck Cruz at the convention.

[iruinedyourday]

Hillary posters are getting more and more loud every minuet on facebook and shit.

I can't wait for some juicy TRUMP news to slam dunk them with. I cant waaaaait for that man to be our president so I can drink up all those democrat base tears with some fava beans and a nice ciante

[AzzarTheGod]

would be nice but idk if possible. hes is not even trying to unite the party.

[Pokesan]

Hillary posters are getting more and more loud every minuet on facebook and shit.

I can't wait for some juicy TRUMP news to slam dunk them with. I cant waaaaait for that man to be our president so I can drink up all those democrat base tears with some fava beans and a nice ciante

dude no

[iruinedyourday]

dude no

don't worry there are 33 other countries doing way better progressive shit without us already.

hell last time we built a train in this stupid fucking country was like 30 years ago... this place is a joke there is only one way to get us caught up to the rest of the world. If that way should fail becuse of our democrat base spinless backbones or our corrupt campaign system... Id rather everyone here suffered in the open, than suffered in reality while patting themselves on the back for having a black woman president.

its just stupid

that stupid fucking dipshit president was too much of a pussy to do anything about the war on drugs.

fuck democrats they don't deserve thier inflated sense of self esteem

[Pokesan]

Trump follows batshit crazy GOP policy stances to their logical conclusion because he doesn't know any better.

[Spyder73]

.

[Blitzers]

<-----moonwalks and then ends it with a backflip hooray the King is Dead.

[iruinedyourday]

you americans think youre so important but the truth is you pay 700% higher prices for perscription drugs than every other nation on earth, cus youre fucking stupid lmao

[AzzarTheGod]

cruz is soft on abortion.

[Blitzers]

Daywolf where are you? Lol

[Daywolf]

You have my permission to begin the full retard even before I get here :)


I would say that Blitzers and Donald have something in common here, they both lack the general historical knowledge in regards to the abortion issue. Of course this is no simple issue.

So for the both of them it's a matter of learning the facts as well as the historical record. e.g yes Blitzers, as I linked to in Pok3$ RHINO thread with that article Reagan's Darkest hour (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/223437/reagans-darkest-hour-paul-kengor-patricia-clark-doerner), Reagan signed the biggest abortion bill for California before Roe vs Wade thus allowing for 100.000 abortions a year. Sure he regretted it, even regretted ignoring his trusted advisor on the issue, but he too was in error as errors tend to happen when one is not considerably educated in a matter.

In Donald's case, not only is he not so educated on the subject (it's a given as he is not really pro or con on the issue, that's not what this election is about), he likely has mixed information of what he does know on the subject. This is undoubtedly an influence from NOW, NARAL and Planned Parenthood propaganda where as they have created the urban legend of which Women were punished for abortion before the federal ruling of Roe vs. Wade. I mean chicken little shit to huge proportions. He has had dealings with Planned Parenthood in the past, so likely their message had influenced his knowledge of the issue, incorrectly as is their message.

The truth of the matter is, women were considered the "second victim" in cases of illegal abortions among the states before roe vs. wade (and this should still be a state level issue imo). So there was no real prosecution on the matter regarding a woman's participation. Of course as well, Donald didn't give any opinion towards "prosecution" as he would not answer and rightfully said "I don't know", but just that there should be some penalty in the matter for women if in fact abortion were to be illegal to whatever extent.

With his lack of knowledge on the issue, as well as Planned Parenthood propaganda he had likely been exposed to, I would contribute his response to the general understanding of the rule of law. If you break the law there is some form of penalty within a lawful society. This would generally make sense, yet this particular issue is so contested, convoluted and filled with all sorts of varying opinions, well sense is not something contributed to an issue of this nature.

I have no great issue with it, with what he said (were words not action), he just wasn't properly brought up to speed regarding the issue yet has since then recanted on his original comment as I'm sure his pro-life advisors corrected him regarding. Of course our culture of victimhood will continue to suffer victimization no matter the insult perceived.

[Blitzers]

You have my permission to begin the full retard even before I get here :)


I would say that Blitzers and Donald have something in common here, they both lack the general historical knowledge in regards to the abortion issue. Of course this is no simple issue.

So for the both of them it's a matter of learning the facts as well as the historical record. e.g yes Blitzers, as I linked to in Pol3$ RHINO thread with that article Reagan's Darkest hour (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/223437/reagans-darkest-hour-paul-kengor-patricia-clark-doerner), Reagan signed the biggest abortion bill for California before Roe vs Wade thus allowing for 100.000 abortions a year. Sure he regretted it, even regretted ignoring his trusted advisor on the issue, but he too was in error as errors tend to happen when one is not considerably educated in a matter.

In Donald's case, not only is he not so educated on the subject (it's a given as he is not really pro or con on the issue, that's not what this election is about), he likely has mixed information of what he does know on the subject. This is undoubtedly an influence from NOW, NARAL and Planned Parenthood propaganda where as they have created the urban legend of which Women were punished for abortion before the federal ruling of Roe vs. Wade. I mean chicken little shit to huge proportions. He has had dealings with Planned Parenthood in the past, so likely their message had influenced his knowledge of the issue, incorrectly as is their message.

The truth of the matter is, women were considered the "second victim" in cases of illegal abortions among the states before roe vs. wade (and this should still be a state level issue imo). So there was no real prosecution on the matter regarding a woman's participation. Of course as well, Donald didn't give any opinion towards "prosecution" as he would not answer and rightfully said "I don't know", but just that there should be some penalty in the matter for women if in fact abortion were to be illegal to whatever extent.

With his lack of knowledge on the issue, as well as Planned Parenthood propaganda he had likely been exposed to, I would contribute his response to the general understanding of the rule of law. If you break the law there is some form of penalty within a lawful society. This would generally make sense, yet this particular issue is so contested, convoluted and filled with all sorts of varying opinions, well sense is not something contributed to the issue of this nature.

I have no great issue with it, with what he said (were words not action), he just wasn't properly brought up to speed regarding the issue yet has since then recanted on his original comment as I'm sure his pro-life advisors corrected him regarding. Of course our culture of victimhood will continue to suffer victimization no matter the insult perceived.

ITS OVER JOHNNY

Even Trump won't be able to overcome this blunder. You don't claim ignorance on WEDGE issues especially this one. Most likely Clinton will be his opposition in the General and the War on Women campaign will LANDSLIDE Trump into the dump.

I eagerly await your concession speech. Lol

[Daywolf]

ITS OVER JOHNNY

Even Trump won't be able to overcome this blunder. You don't claim ignorance on WEDGE issues especially this one. Most likely Clinton will be his opposition in the General and the War on Women campaign will LANDSLIDE Trump into the dump.

I eagerly await your concession speech. Lol
Reagan did. It makes no difference, Clinton has been and has always played the war on women card. This changes nothing in that regard, just as you can't change your constant reactionary knee-jerk response and kowtowing with the banking and republicrat elitists as your Cruz has chosen to align with, of which a co-founder of the tea party has denounced with an open letter to ted cruz (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/11/exclusive-tea-party-founder-an-open-letter-to-ted-cruz/).

Well if Cruz somehow manages to get the nomination, provided that his elitist friends don't steal it away from him at their brokered convention (oh they will, they so will), then maybe finally Cruz will get his baby passed, 0bamatrade. Only Donald and Rand Paul opposed 0bamatrade from the beginning, while Cruzer only changed his mind at the last moment when it became not so fashionable to support it. It actually gives considerable credibility to Pok3$ thread is ted cruz a RHINO.

[Pokesan]

Trump's problem is that he's expressing Republican positions without sufficient dishonesty

[Blitzers]

Reagan did. It makes no difference, Clinton has been and has always played the war on women card. This changes nothing in that regard, just as you can't change your constant reactionary knee-jerk response and kowtowing with the banking and republicrat elitists as your Cruz has chosen to align with, of which a co-founder of the tea party has denounced with an open letter to ted cruz (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/11/exclusive-tea-party-founder-an-open-letter-to-ted-cruz/).

Well if Cruz somehow manages to get the nomination, provided that his elitist friends don't steal it away from him at their contested convention (oh they will, they so will), then maybe finally Cruz will get his baby passed, 0bamatrade. Only Donald and Rand Paul opposed 0bamatrade from the beginning, while Cruzer only changed his mind at the last moment when it became not so fashionable to support it. It actually gives considerable credibility to Pok3$ thread is ted cruz a RHINO.

Har har har!

Dunno if we wanna get into the changing position argument in light of Trump's recent meltdown.

Grasping at straws, I love it.

[Pokesan]

Blitzers - is abortion murder?

[Blitzers]

Blitzers - is abortion murder?

Yes the doctor is guilty of murder.

[Pokesan]

But the woman hired the doctor. It's just like hiring a hitman to kill your spouse.

Aren't they both guilty?

They should be hanged!

[Daywolf]

Har har har!

Dunno if we wanna get into the changing position argument in light of Trump's recent meltdown.

Grasping at straws, I love it.
What changing position? he's had no real position on the matter. He's in there to fix other things, when has this campaign ever been about abortion apart from some liberal media interviewer trying to invent news?

You've already sold out, Blitzers, you'll be giving your life and blood to the banking and corporatist elitists that Cruzer has sold out to from the beginning, from the safety of his Canadian citizenship held all his life until it became unfashionable to retain it any longer (18 months ago).

The fact is he is at a severe disadvantage as to where it may come to attacks by Clinton or Sanders in a general election as "But whether a person born abroad of American parents, or of one American and one alien parent, qualifies as natural born has never been resolved. link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#cite_note-25)". This could very possibly be a complete disaster for Cruz if they in fact decide to challenge the legitimacy of Ted's elegibility to run for a high office. This far more than some single uneducated response to an issue which has been no talking point in a campaign.

[PlatLordLoLz2.0]

why anyone would be in favor of republicans or democrats (which are different sides to the same machine anyways ) controlling them is beyond me. we don't need any kind of entity telling us what to do with the threat of violence, because that's what the government does, both republican and democrat. I believe in freedom and you cant have freedom with corrupt officials and dirty banksters pulling the strings. today people are slaves and they don't even realize it. open your eyes and consider being in control of yourself, you own yourself, not the republicans, the democrats or anyone else. the best thing that could ever happen is peacefully dissolving the federal government, localizing everything and having everything on the free market, and getting rid of taxes.

[Blitzers]

What changing position? he's had no real position on the matter. He's in there to fix other things, when has this campaign ever been about abortion apart from some liberal media interviewer trying to invent news?

You've already sold out, Blitzers, you'll be giving your life and blood to the banking and corporatist elitists that Cruzer has sold out to from the beginning, from the safety of his Canadian citizenship held all his life until it became unfashionable to retain it any longer (18 months ago).

The fact is he is at a severe disadvantage as to where it may come to attacks by Clinton or Sanders in a general election as "But whether a person born abroad of American parents, or of one American and one alien parent, qualifies as natural born has never been resolved. link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#cite_note-25)". This could very possible be a complete disaster for Cruz if they in fact decide to challenge the legitimacy of Ted's elegibility to run for a high office. This far more than some single uneducated response to an issue which has been no talking point in a campaign.

^^^Daywolf on meltdown mode.

[Blitzers]

But the woman hired the doctor. It's just like hiring a hitman to kill your spouse.

Aren't they both guilty?

They should be hanged!

Pokesan when does life begin?

[Pokesan]

why anyone would be in favor of republicans or democrats (which are different sides to the same machine anyways ) controlling them is beyond me. we don't need any kind of entity telling us what to do with the threat of violence, because that's what the government does, both republican and democrat. I believe in freedom and you cant have freedom with corrupt officials and dirty banksters pulling the strings. today people are slaves and they don't even realize it. open your eyes and consider being in control of yourself, you own yourself, not the republicans, the democrats or anyone else. the best thing that could ever happen is peacefully dissolving the federal government, localizing everything and having everything on the free market, and getting rid of taxes.

no that's a terrible idea and if you think the democrats are even close to as horrible as the republicans - honestly, and i mean this with all possible sincerity - you have shit for brains.

namaste

[Pokesan]

Pokesan when does life begin?

answer the question. it's either murder or it isn't. generally when two persons participate in a murder together, they are both charged with the crime.

I say hang 'em high!

[Blitzers]

why anyone would be in favor of republicans or democrats (which are different sides to the same machine anyways ) controlling them is beyond me. we don't need any kind of entity telling us what to do with the threat of violence, because that's what the government does, both republican and democrat. I believe in freedom and you cant have freedom with corrupt officials and dirty banksters pulling the strings. today people are slaves and they don't even realize it. open your eyes and consider being in control of yourself, you own yourself, not the republicans, the democrats or anyone else. the best thing that could ever happen is peacefully dissolving the federal government, localizing everything and having everything on the free market, and getting rid of taxes.

Music to my ears Platlord. 👍

[PlatLordLoLz2.0]

no that's a terrible idea and if you think the democrats are even close to as horrible as the republicans - honestly, and i mean this with all possible sincerity - you have shit for brains.

namaste

its a terrible idea to have freedom? the problem with democrats and republicans is they want to impose their will on everyone else, and if someone disagrees with them then they go on a rampage, you can NOT have freedom when other people impose their will on you and then things get violent when you don't obey.

[Blitzers]

answer the question. it's either murder or it isn't. generally when two persons participate in a murder together, they are both charged with the crime.

I say hang 'em high!

I already answered your question if it's murder, now my turn to ask you a question. When does life begin? You answer that then you may ask your next question.

[Pokesan]

Lyin' Blitzers can't even answer a simple question. Sad!

[Pokesan]

its a terrible idea to have freedom? the problem with democrats and republicans is they want to impose their will on everyone else, and if someone disagrees with them then they go on a rampage, you can NOT have freedom when other people impose their will on you and then things get violent when you don't obey.

no, dissolving the federal government is an incredibly bad idea. you're a lunatic, infowars has better ideas than this.

[Blitzers]

Lyin' Blitzers can't even answer a simple question. Sad!

Who died and made you Megyn Kelly? You asked your question. Now I am asking mine, answer and then you'll get my answer to yours.

[Pokesan]

I don't think my views on abortion are particularly relevant in the matter of murder.

If abortion is murder, all guilty parties must be punished.
The woman hired the doctor to perform the murder.
Life is life, this is no different than hiring a hitman.

How do you feel about hangings?

[Blitzers]

its a terrible idea to have freedom? the problem with democrats and republicans is they want to impose their will on everyone else, and if someone disagrees with them then they go on a rampage, you can NOT have freedom when other people impose their will on you and then things get violent when you don't obey.

Pokesan has no clue what freedom is, he's been a cuck far too long to the democrats. Don't waste your time Plat, Pokesan isn't genuine in his posts total waste of time.

[Pokesan]

I'm very genuine when I ask you this question - when hiring an abortion doctor to murder her unborn child - what absolves the woman of guilt in the matter of conspiring to commit murder?

The doctor would have no motivation to go through with the murder - except for the monetary compensation! This is known as a death contract.

#ProsecuteAllMothers

[PlatLordLoLz2.0]

no, dissolving the federal government is an incredibly bad idea. you're a lunatic, infowars has better ideas than this.

so you want the federal government to take your hard earned money and use it irresponsibly, using it to send americans to other countries to be slaughtered for US policy? for greed? to kill innocent people? to create enemies? for political interests? and when you refuse to pay taxes you are met with violence and thrown into prison? you like having the simplest of freedoms stripped from you? you are okay with the government being able to do things that if anyone else did they would be arrested? you like having a government that can not follow their own laws? you enjoy having people to force you to do something? its really sad when people think we NEED people to control them and use threat of violence against its own people, its sad that people can not see any other way but to let someone do as they will to with another human. you obviously do not understand the concept of FREEDOM

[Pokesan]

so you want the federal government to take your hard earned money and use it irresponsibly, using it to send americans to other countries to be slaughtered for US policy? for greed? to kill innocent people? to create enemies? for political interests? and when you refuse to pay taxes you are met with violence and thrown into prison? you like having the simplest of freedoms stripped from you? you are okay with the government being able to do things that if anyone else did they would be arrested? you like having a government that can not follow their own laws? you enjoy having people to force you to do something? its really sad when people think we NEED people to control them and use threat of violence against its own people, its sad that people can not see any other way but to let someone do as they will to with another human. you obviously do not understand the concept of FREEDOM

nice meltdown

[Blitzers]

I'm very genuine when I ask you this question - when hiring an abortion doctor to murder her unborn child - what absolves the woman of guilt in the matter of conspiring to commit murder?

The doctor would have no motivation to go through with the murder - except for the monetary compensation! This is known as a death contract.

#ProsecuteAllMothers

Thought the result of having an abortion was so you don't become a mother. Damn your so freaking stupid lol

Once again when does life begin? Answer my question and I'll answer yours. Going to bed

[barrettdc1]

Pokesan when does life begin?

You are both retarded. Human beings are glorified bacteria. You are putting the pussy on a pedestal.

[Blitzers]

so you want the federal government to take your hard earned money and use it irresponsibly, using it to send americans to other countries to be slaughtered for US policy? for greed? to kill innocent people? to create enemies? for political interests? and when you refuse to pay taxes you are met with violence and thrown into prison? you like having the simplest of freedoms stripped from you? you are okay with the government being able to do things that if anyone else did they would be arrested? you like having a government that can not follow their own laws? you enjoy having people to force you to do something? its really sad when people think we NEED people to control them and use threat of violence against its own people, its sad that people can not see any other way but to let someone do as they will to with another human. you obviously do not understand the concept of FREEDOM

^^^ told you lol

[Pokesan]

You are both retarded. Human beings are glorified bacteria. You are putting the pussy on a pedestal.

Hey, I'm just saying if you hire someone to murder your child you should be held responsible for doing so.

Sorry if this is hard for you to grasp.

[Pokesan]

Thought the result of having an abortion was so you don't become a mother. Damn your so freaking stupid lol

Once again when does life begin? Answer my question and I'll answer yours. Going to bed

I mean, technically, it has to come out somehow, right? There's a lot of fetus in there, it doesn't just *poof* into thin air. I'd still think of it as a birth, I'm willing to lawyer that she has still become a mother albeit in a different shape or, generally - shapes.

Bitch.

[Jarnauga]

when i masturbate and i cum, is it a genocide ?

[Pokesan]

in the case of your genes i sure hope so!

;)

[Daywolf]

^^^Daywolf on meltdown mode.
I'm just stating facts as I usually do, along with source links to make a case. You just have no relevant defense against it, as has been the case post after post on the issues of this election cycle. Always the irrelevant and unwitty comeback, dude.

[Pokesan]

I'm just stating facts as I usually do, along with source links to make a case. You just have no relevant defense against it, as has been the case post after post on the issues of this election cycle. Always the irrelevant and unwitty comeback, dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdlbnD6HstM&t=07s

[Daywolf]

no, dissolving the federal government is an incredibly bad idea. you're a lunatic, infowars has better ideas than this.
This is true. Also the fact no one in their right mind would want unrestrained freedom within a society, but only that of liberty as we have within our constitutional republic.

The federal government has a purpose, it's just that it has grown way beyond it's original intent and purpose. There is no sudden stroke of a pen that can fix this, but will take much time and effort to resolve to within a manageable level fitting for a majority of Americans. Currently it's just not.

[AzzarTheGod]

no, dissolving the federal government is an incredibly bad idea. you're a lunatic, infowars has better ideas than this.

When info wars has better ideas u know shit went full retard.

[maskedmelon]

in the case of your genes i sure hope so!

;)


roflmao

[maskedmelon]

On topic, why not just institute parent licensing and do away with all this abortion debate nonsense. Sterilize everyone at birth and then means and IQ test for the privilege to contribute genetic material to the next generation.

We could eradicate poverty, burry an incredibly divisive issue and raise the average IQ by a standard deviation or more!

[Tankdan]

Trump will win the delegates but lose at the contested convention and Cruz or somebody else will win the nomination. This is guaranteed.

I predict Cruz gets a huge boost after this week and will win majority of remaining states, though still lack the delegate count.

[Daywolf]

Trump will win the delegates but lose at the contested convention and Cruz or somebody else will win the nomination. This is guaranteed.

I predict Cruz gets a huge boost after this week and will win majority of remaining states, though still lack the delegate count.hmm so far every time they thought it was the end for Donald because of the latest liberal slant piece, he endured, even did better. Even in this mud slinging crud which started with nude pics of Donald's wife and dirty slanted comments by Cruz on the subject, Donald did well, better than expected. That's just the way it is.

If this is the same reprobate that Cruz will use against Putin, well it'll be a pretty awful four years ...or until he gets impeached. But like I said, he just wont get there, there is no possible way at this point. Even if he could somehow beat Hillary after creating such division, the Clinton machine will get their lawyers to shut him out of the primaries over the question of just how is "natural born" really legally defined, which has never really been resolved.

But you did say "other" which would be the likely outcome if this goes to a brokered convention (likely Romney or Ryan), or that when Cruz is eliminated by teh Clinton machine as stated above regarding legal rulings.

The hard part with the Clinton machine scenario though is that it could possibly be a dead-lock split in court unless 0bama gets his SCOTUS nomination approved.

If in fact Donald does lose steam in the near future, to not avoid a brokered convention, or so to actually drop out or be defeated outright, I wonder what the odds are of Ryan changing his tune regarding the obstruction (for lack of better word) of 0bamas SCOTUS nomination.

[Pokesan]

no

cruz is an american citizen via jus sanguinis

he sucks for many other reasons, but he's absolutely a citizen - by the same mechanism as obama in fact! (this assumes we believe the kenya birth shit I don't care)

stop being dumb

[Daywolf]

no

cruz is an american citizen via jus sanguinis

he sucks for many other reasons, but he's absolutely a citizen - by the same mechanism as obama in fact! (this assumes we believe the kenya birth shit I don't care)

stop being dumb
Subnote 25 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#cite_note-25), you can scroll up to where it is in the article at (25). I looked into it a little over the weekend and apparently a law suit was submitted, but only rejected as the legal document was outdated. It's just a process of resubmitting the document in a timely manner upon request as I understand it. I'm not saying it's right or wrong here, just that there very well may be an open window for this to be raised and ruled on. And we all know very well how judges love to rule from the bench for political purposes. Soooo..

edit: and it's regarding "natural born", not necessarily "citizen". Yes he is a citizen, that is undeniable, but "natural born" is a preq for holding a high office. Oh and apparently, to make a case compared to other elected officials born abroad that were unchallenged, Ted wasn't brought into the country for something like four years after his birth. He also held dual citizenship most of his life. It may be enough to challenge it, even if just to complicate everything. Depends how politically expedient it becomes.

[Pokesan]

being born a citizen, whether by jus soli or the these days ignominious jus sanguinis, seems to quite easily qualify the 'natural born' part of the question.

born as a citizen. the mechanism doesn't matter, he's been a citizen since birth.

and your link doesn't work!

[Pokesan]

my instinct is to ask you to knock it off with tbe birther shit but on the other hand it would be super funny for the monster to bite the other way

im conflicted!

[Daywolf]

being born a citizen, whether by jus soli or the these days ignominious jus sanguinis, seems to quite easily qualify the 'natural born' part of the question.

born as a citizen. the mechanism doesn't matter, he's been a citizen since birth.

and your link doesn't work!

It works for me, hits the notes of the page, just scroll up to where the paragraph is in front of (25)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#cite_note-25

Oh you mean the Yale Law Journal PDF link? hmm.. I think that can be found from here (http://www.yalelawjournal.org/forum/natural-born-citizen-clause-and-presidential-eligibility). ...at least for a preview. Certainly discussions around about it.

As for the wiki it reads:
In her 1988 article in the Yale Law Journal, Jill Pryor wrote, "It is well settled that 'native-born' citizens, those born in the United States, qualify as natural born. It is also clear that persons born abroad of alien parents, who later become citizens by naturalization, do not. But whether a person born abroad of American parents, or of one American and one alien parent, qualifies as natural born has never been resolved."[25]

my instinct is to ask you to knock it off with tbe birther shit but on the other hand it would be super funny for the monster to bite the other way

im conflicted!Like I said, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just stating that it's there. I'm not actually calling for it to happen. As it is there, I'm adding it to my scenario list, at least as a possibility as there seems to be some sliver of legitimacy to it, not simply the legitimacy of my own personal opinion.

[AzzarTheGod]

my instinct is to ask you to knock it off with tbe birther shit but on the other hand it would be super funny for the monster to bite the other way

im conflicted!

wheres the delivery certificate big boi?

[Daywolf]

wheres the delivery certificate big boi?
Well yeah, thats why when I brouhgt this up in the RHINO thread, I mentioned they could do it "with a vengeance". That being the whole past situation with B0's B-day certy :D
Oddly, the one they produced seemingly having been filled out in a modern word processor... hehehe
...so some claim.

[AzzarTheGod]

Well yeah, thats why when I brouhgt this up in the RHINO thread, I mentioned they could do it "with a vengeance". That being the whole past situation with B0's B-day certy :D
Oddly, the one they produced seemingly having been filled out in a modern word processor... hehehe
...so some claim.

He failed to produce a delivery certificate from the hospital with the doctors signature.

Anyone can get a birth certificate.

[Daywolf]

Have a link for what a "delivery certificate" is? pref an American site. Or used in the matter of 0bama?

Seems to be one in the same as legal sites redirect to birth certificate from search. Google searches bring up old archives, but removed, and those mostly blog sites. Found this (http://laanepa.com/archives/170)... where it used both birth and delivery certs as interchangeably (first birth then delivery but same document being read).

Digging deeper, where delivery certificate is used, it mentioned the same as what was said about the birth certificate, that being a scanned photo etc. Wikipedia doesn't know, and pages regarding the issue with 0bama's birth conundrum make no mention of delivery certificate. Yeah I followed this from back in the day, I don't recall any mention of a delivery cert or of it being missing, and I have a pretty good memory *shrugs*

[syztem]

voting for trump.

[sOurDieSel]

Even if he has a 'birthcertificate' he isn't anymore American then the illegals crossing the southern border.

Ask yourself if George Washington or Thomas Jefferson would have considered Obama 'American'... lawlz

[Blitzers]

Even if he has a 'birthcertificate' he isn't anymore American then the illegals crossing the southern border.

Ask yourself if George Washington or Thomas Jefferson would have considered Obama 'American'... lawlz

So you guys have decided to go Full Retard Mode and claim the Birther argument. No fucking judge on U.S. Soil would disqualify a Party's Predidential Nominee this late in the game. If a judge did this he would be signing his own death warrant and end of America. We all saw in the Bush/Gore election how apeshit people got with SCOTUS and that. Time for a reality check boys. The courts have already set precedent with Obama's birth question and the precedent was, They're not getting involved.

[sOurDieSel]

The SCOTUS is a joke. Since when did the SCOTUS become the countries moral compass? This is the same institution who issued the Miller decision stripping away the 2nd Amendment all in the name of procedure and following policy.

As far as I am concerned, neither The Constitution nor SCOTUS is the highest law of the land, The Declaration of Independence is. My proof? It has it's own holiday.

[Pokesan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkplPbd2f60

[surron]

all I've got from this thread is that Blitzers is fuken stupid

[Blitzers]

The issue of Abortion has plagued Americans hearts and minds for Over 4 decades. Modern far Left Liberals want it on demand and at any whim. Far Right religious Conservatives want it outlawed and prosecuted. In the middle there is many variations and stances with no one compilation that is acceptable to either side. The Left claims it's a Women's Rights Issue, while the Right claims Babies have Rights too. I honestly lean toward the RIGHT side of the argument, but my knowledge and application of that knowledge leads me to an all different conclusion on this subject matter.

As a conservative it is a Fundamental necessity to support limited/small government Principles and Ideals. Conservatives for quite some time have been trying to use Big Government as a tool to correct what they feel is wrong. Morally I would agree with this strategy, but practically I have to denounce this failed tact. Christian Conservatives already have MORAL LAW set in stone to deal with the issue of Abortion. This Law thou shall not murder,(Hebrew translation)was given to the Jewish people thousands of years ago and is still applicable today amongst Christians and Jews. Applying this Law forcefully by a Secular Government to "unbelievers" and those who's definition of murder that varies considerably has been met with vehement opposition, which is why I believe it is time for Christians Conservatives to take a deeper introspective look at why they oppose Abortion. For Christians opposing abortion is part of our Faith. Did we oppose Abortion in absence of our faith or did our faith mold our opposition to abortion? For non-Christian Conservatives the definition of murder plays a much more prominent role in their decision making, tho moral compass also plays a large role as well, right vs wrong.
In both cases your opposition is correct and well intended that is for sure. As I said before the Law given to the Jewish people was for the Jewish people. If we as conservative and we as Christians want to defeat the scourge of Abortion we must rethink the divisive strategy we have come accustomed to using. Big Government and Legislating morality has a long history of FAILURE. Christians must stop trying to enforce the "Will of God" on secularists and pagans, instead we must share the LOVE of Jesus and change the hearts and minds. We have been skipping the introduction of our faith and we're trying to force feed unbelievers the dogma. Non Christian Conservatives who oppose Abortion must champion the cause for Truth, we must continue to educate the women who have or may have abortions in the future. The blatant false information given out in our schools to our young daughters is a travesty. We must be active and demand the Truth to be told. We are not going to outlaw abortion, but we can change the hearts and minds of young girls with the Love of Jesus and the Bulwark of Truth.

[Blitzers]

The SCOTUS is a joke. Since when did the SCOTUS become the countries moral compass? This is the same institution who issued the Miller decision stripping away the 2nd Amendment all in the name of procedure and following policy.

As far as I am concerned, neither The Constitution nor SCOTUS is the highest law of the land, The Declaration of Independence is. My proof? It has it's own holiday.

How I wish this were true.
Can we Ratify the DoI into law? Hmmm.., wonder if anyone has ever tried.

[Blitzers]

The issue of Abortion has plagued Americans hearts and minds for Over 4 decades. Modern far Left Liberals want it on demand and at any whim. Far Right religious Conservatives want it outlawed and prosecuted. In the middle there is many variations and stances with no one compilation that is acceptable to either side. The Left claims it's a Women's Rights Issue, while the Right claims Babies have Rights too. I honestly lean toward the RIGHT side of the argument, but my knowledge and application of that knowledge leads me to an all different conclusion on this subject matter.

As a conservative it is a Fundamental necessity to support limited/small government Principles and Ideals. Conservatives for quite some time have been trying to use Big Government as a tool to correct what they feel is wrong. Morally I would agree with this strategy, but practically I have to denounce this failed tact. Christian Conservatives already have MORAL LAW set in stone to deal with the issue of Abortion. This Law thou shall not murder,(Hebrew translation)was given to the Jewish people thousands of years ago and is still applicable today amongst Christians and Jews. Applying this Law forcefully by a Secular Government to "unbelievers" and those who's definition of murder that varies considerably has been met with vehement opposition, which is why I believe it is time for Christians Conservatives to take a deeper introspective look at why they oppose Abortion. For Christians opposing abortion is part of our Faith. Did we oppose Abortion in absence of our faith or did our faith mold our opposition to abortion? For non-Christian Conservatives the definition of murder plays a much more prominent role in their decision making, tho moral compass also plays a large role as well, right vs wrong.
In both cases your opposition is correct and well intended that is for sure. As I said before the Law given to the Jewish people was for the Jewish people. If we as conservative and we as Christians want to defeat the scourge of Abortion we must rethink the divisive strategy we have come accustomed to using. Big Government and Legislating morality has a long history of FAILURE. Christians must stop trying to enforce the "Will of God" on secularists and pagans, instead we must share the LOVE of Jesus and change the hearts and minds. We have been skipping the introduction of our faith and we're trying to force feed unbelievers the dogma. Non Christian Conservatives who oppose Abortion must champion the cause for Truth, we must continue to educate the women who have or may have abortions in the future. The blatant false information given out in our schools to our young daughters is a travesty. We must be active and demand the Truth to be told. We are not going to outlaw abortion, but we can change the hearts and minds of young girls with the Love of Jesus and the Bulwark of Truth.

Addition for Christians

Matthew 10:14

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.

[iruinedyourday]

Abortion is a stupid issue becuse it proves how shallow people are. They're like NO BABIE RIGHTS but then when people right next to them die they are like, 'scumbag sucking up society.'

It's just a litmus test to see if your friend is a fucking retard or not.

[Hastley]

Abortion is a stupid issue becuse it proves how shallow people are. They're like NO BABIE RIGHTS but then when people right next to them die they are like, 'scumbag sucking up society.'

It's just a litmus test to see if your friend is a fucking retard or not.

Pro-choice but under old Judaic law a bay didn't receive personhood until 1 month after being born. Also I tend to agree that the hypocrisy of pro-life is a bit much that they care so much for the fetus but once it's born no concern is had for the child .

[Blitzers]

Yeah, but.. This isn't an exclusively Christian nation.. Thank goodness. Not everyone believes the same things as you, and putting your specific beliefs and values above other religion(s) is not right and unfair. I like our current abortion laws in place.

Really dunno how you come to that conclusion with what I wrote.

I'm telling Christians using the government to force abortion laws is wrong.

Also telling Christians the only way to effectively end abortions is to change the hearts of the pro abortion advocates with sharing the love of Christ.

Lastly I am telling Christians that if your attempts are rejected do not continue. Matthew 10:14 says as much.

I'm advocating the opposite of what your saying I'm advocating.

I also say abortion is not going to be outlawed, a realization that many refuse to admit.

[Pokesan]

Blitzers is a RHINO

[AzzarTheGod]

Have a link for what a "delivery certificate" is? pref an American site. Or used in the matter of 0bama?

Seems to be one in the same as legal sites redirect to birth certificate from search. Google searches bring up old archives, but removed, and those mostly blog sites. Found this (http://laanepa.com/archives/170)... where it used both birth and delivery certs as interchangeably (first birth then delivery but same document being read).

Digging deeper, where delivery certificate is used, it mentioned the same as what was said about the birth certificate, that being a scanned photo etc. Wikipedia doesn't know, and pages regarding the issue with 0bama's birth conundrum make no mention of delivery certificate. Yeah I followed this from back in the day, I don't recall any mention of a delivery cert or of it being missing, and I have a pretty good memory *shrugs*

A delivery certificate isn't a true certificate, the term "Delivery certificate" was coined by blogs and journalists to bash on the fact he might have produced a birth certificate, but wheres his proof of delivery? (aka delivery certificate).

Its more like a work order that says X doctor/midwife delivered this baby at such and such Hospital at such and such time. Its an internal hospital record. Its not a government document.

Obama failed to produce any delivery "certificate". Trump's guys went through every hospital in Hawaii and found no evidence of any delivery.

Its a fraud and a matter of national security being the president and all, so the CIA hooked him up just like they do to special wetbacks who work in government.

[Daywolf]

Christian Conservatives already have MORAL LAW set in stone to deal with the issue of Abortion. This Law thou shall not murder,(Hebrew translation)was given to the Jewish people thousands of years ago and is still applicable today amongst Christians and Jews. Applying this Law forcefully by a Secular Government to "unbelievers" and those who's definition of murder that varies considerably has been met with vehement opposition, which is why I believe it is time for Christians Conservatives to take a deeper introspective look at why they oppose Abortion. For Christians opposing abortion is part of our Faith. Did we oppose Abortion in absence of our faith or did our faith mold our opposition to abortion? For non-Christian Conservatives the definition of murder plays a much more prominent role in their decision making, tho moral compass also plays a large role as well, right vs wrong.

In both cases your opposition is correct and well intended that is for sure. As I said before the Law given to the Jewish people was for the Jewish people. If we as conservative and we as Christians want to defeat the scourge of Abortion we must rethink the divisive strategy we have come accustomed to using. Big Government and Legislating morality has a long history of FAILURE. Christians must stop trying to enforce the "Will of God" on secularists and pagans, instead we must share the LOVE of Jesus and change the hearts and minds. We have been skipping the introduction of our faith and we're trying to force feed unbelievers the dogma. Non Christian Conservatives who oppose Abortion must champion the cause for Truth, we must continue to educate the women who have or may have abortions in the future. The blatant false information given out in our schools to our young daughters is a travesty. We must be active and demand the Truth to be told. We are not going to outlaw abortion, but we can change the hearts and minds of young girls with the Love of Jesus and the Bulwark of Truth.

Yep, pretty wrong. The US was never established on a stony law, but something which is actually described as written on the heart, not on stone. A stone you whack people with, the heart is your personal matter, and leading to loving one another, even the unborn (w/o getting into the definition of Love here).

This isn't an exclusive Christian / Jew thing, it didn't start with stones, existed before Moses, just as the founding fathers did not establish the US as a "Christian nation" but simply by the principles of the bible, rights endowed by the Creator. And more precisely "Natural law" as the apostle Paul wrote of, that such a law is within all human beings (a result therefor being john 3:16 etc etc), so that they have no excuse. But natural law is the basis precisely, you can find it here (https://www.nccs.net/natural-law-the-ultimate-source-of-constitutional-law.php) and here (https://www.nccs.net/creator-endowed-rights.php). This "moral law" you speak of is not exclusively something put on "conservative christians" but is actually a natural law upon everyone. And this is true as many governments and kingdoms in our human history have recognized natural laws just as Paul spoke of there being the natural laws, which are enforced by way of conscious.

Right of life, liberty and private property. This is what the founding fathers quantified it for purpose of establishing the government and this country. These are derived from not only the principles of the ten commandments (and the 1 quantifying commandment), but also of our natural conscious as has been a part of the history of human civilization.

To go beyond that risks establishing a theocracy and not simply a government of men with rights endowed by the Creator by way of the natural law.

[iruinedyourday]

25% of repubs are dipshits.

25% of dems are dipshits.

That leaves 50% that could rule this country, if they both would forget what thier base told them about abortion and guns.

[Blitzers]

25% of repubs are dipshits.

25% of dems are dipshits.

That leaves 50% that could rule this country, if they both would forget what thier base told them about abortion and guns.

IRYD are you too incompetent and unpredictable you couldn't trust yourself to own a gun?

[Daywolf]

25% of repubs are dipshits.

25% of dems are dipshits.

That leaves 50% that could rule this country, if they both would forget what thier base told them about abortion and guns.
Luckily we live in a constitutional republic and not a democracy. It still takes a two-thirds vote in congress to really change things as you describe ...well apart form activist judges which usurps our constitution ...along with presidential executive orders and any such BS activists use to trodden our constitutional rights.

[Daywolf]

25% of repubs are dipshits.

25% of dems are dipshits.

That leaves 50% that could rule this country, if they both would forget what thier base told them about abortion and guns.
Oh and er btw your maths are a little off there. 25% of a part with 25% of another part doesn't amount to 50% of the whole, but 25% of the whole ;)

For Science!

[Pokesan]

you've both omitted independent dipshits from your maths

not gonna win the fields with that sloppy work!

[Blitzers]

IRYD are you too incompetent and unpredictable you couldn't trust yourself to own a gun?

Still waiting IRYD...

[Daywolf]

you've both omitted independent dipshits from your maths

not gonna win the fields with that sloppy work!
You omitted 3rd party voters which are not necessarily independent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_%28voter%29), but sometimes do vote across party lines. Example: I've been a member of a third party for decades. have always been, I am not independent of a party. We have nominations, get our party nominees on general election ballots (at least in most states), and vote as party members.

But I'm not attempting to correcting her opinion, just her maths :)
whoop! whoop! that's the sound of the maths police!
whoop! whoop! that's the sound of the maths police!

Still waiting IRYD...
Now you know how it feels...

edit:
Me says: "which are enforced by way of conscious." in a previous post up top.
I meant "conscience". You know, the thing that eats at you when you do something perceivably bad etc. example: someone murders their mother, then it begins to eat away at their conscience.

[iruinedyourday]

Still waiting IRYD...

I would like for you to format a list of reasons why you think I am dumb in order for me to answer your question.

[barrettdc1]

I would like for you to format a list of reasons why you think I am dumb in order for me to answer your question.

>plays a bard on elf sim 1999

[Swish]

>plays a bard on elf sim 1999

maybe he's just mad about contracting carpal tunnel syndrome and this is his outlet