Tunare Necklace vs the Halfling

[VanEinstein]

As a recently new player (~It's been about a week I think) to the server I am playing a Druid for the first time. Whether my thinking was right or wrong, I initially chose a Wood Elf with the logic of providing myself an easy(ish) method of getting some more wisdom without having to cough up a bunch of platinum for something else right away. The clickable casts on these neck pieces also seemed rather attractive, though I admit to knowing so little as to being unsure just how useful they would be to me.

That being said, I wanted to ask: For those of you who own these items and use them, how much use do you get out of them, and be it past or present, how integral do you feel they are to your play? I have found one thread that had anything detailed to say on the subject, but once again I admit to lacking enough of an understanding to really grasp the scope of their usefulness.

I had had been dwelling on that line of thought for a while, and the matter of the Halfling alternative gave me some pause. A marginal 5% experience bonus, slightly better stats (sans charisma), the potential for crafting Haversacks down the road, and access to Sneak were enough to make me wonder if that might be preferable.

Once again I defer to the wisdom of others: For those of you who chose the Halfling route, how much use have you gotten out of Sneak? I'm told it provides access to quests you'd otherwise be unable to complete, but no one ever provides an example of a quest they used it for. If you got significant use out of the skill in this way, I'd very much like to hear about it.

Aside from the above questions, if you can think of any other pros or cons to selecting either of the two races, I would very much like to hear it. For example, the camera appears to behave a little differently based upon race, or so it seems to me, but perhaps I'm just imagining this? It could potentially be a thing down the road when I begin kiting.

I began leveling a Halfling the other evening due to those thoughts, but rather than sink any more time into it I would rather do my homework so to speak, and so here I am. Thank you in advance to anyone who reads this and responds. Your input is greatly appreciated.

[snead]

tldr if this is about wood elf or halfling the choice is obvious - halfling.

[Erati]

Wood Elf

asslings are terrible

[Daldaen]

Half Elf Tunare.

The root neck has usefulness when OOM, when root isn't memmed, or when you need to chain root a mob that may summon if you use more damaging roots.

The Tunare gloves are basically the best gloves you can get as a Druid until either Yelinak quest, or Vulak gloves. Plus their clicky is very valuable as a mana free DS for PLed toons or for charmed pets.

[Swish]

Nothing worse than the sound of a halfling/gnome getting hit.

[Sorn]

the potential for crafting Haversacks down the road

I'm semi-certain haversacks won't be on p99. Some of the ingredients for those are Luclin-era.

The final root clicky is useful because a free root when you're OOM and getting unsnared adds on quads will save your life. It can also free up a spell slot.

If you go halfling, you basically get Lumi staff, snare clicky, DoT clicky, and potentially epic snare dot clicky, hide + sneak (inconsistent), and eat way too much. Plus you're short and have hairy feet, which I guess is a perk if you're into that kind of thing.

Druids aren't into the indoors, so being a small race isn't really a bonus since you won't necessarily be indoors looking through walls a bunch.

[Ele]

Do any races besides halfling get sneak? Didn't think so.

[Ravager]

Sneak is powerful for getting around places. Quests that can be completed with sneak can be completed with hide or a friend casting invis/ivu when you have a tradebox open. Harmony and lulls can get you close enough for the turn ins, but realistically you're not going to be completing many quests in this fashion, so the utility of sneak will be mostly sneaking around dungeons or KoS mobs safely.

Unlimited free root, paired with unlimited free snare and unlimited free DoT is extremely powerful, especially now that root and snare stack. A druid with all three can kill just about any non-summoning mob without ever medding, though it will take a long time. But, since all of these are free casts anyway, there isn't a rule that you can't juggle several mobs at once.

[maskedmelon]

Wood Elf, because halflings are ugly.

[bktroost]

Sneak is powerful for getting around places. Quests that can be completed with sneak can be completed with hide or a friend casting invis/ivu when you have a tradebox open. Harmony and lulls can get you close enough for the turn ins, but realistically you're not going to be completing many quests in this fashion, so the utility of sneak will be mostly sneaking around dungeons or KoS mobs safely.

Unlimited free root, paired with unlimited free snare and unlimited free DoT is extremely powerful, especially now that root and snare stack. A druid with all three can kill just about any non-summoning mob without ever medding, though it will take a long time. But, since all of these are free casts anyway, there isn't a rule that you can't juggle several mobs at once.

Do not hide and ever attempt a turn in.

[Ravager]

Do not hide and ever attempt a turn in.

You hide after the trade box is open, before clicking trade, conning the mob before clicking to make sure you're indifferent. It's never failed for me yet.

[VanEinstein]

Half Elf Tunare.

The root neck has usefulness when OOM, when root isn't memmed, or when you need to chain root a mob that may summon if you use more damaging roots.

The Tunare gloves are basically the best gloves you can get as a Druid until either Yelinak quest, or Vulak gloves. Plus their clicky is very valuable as a mana free DS for PLed toons or for charmed pets.

Is Half Elf just your personal preference, or a min/max choice? As someone without a means of twinking, I feel that somehow the wisdom would be greatly missed, no?

[VanEinstein]

I'm semi-certain haversacks won't be on p99. Some of the ingredients for those are Luclin-era.

The final root clicky is useful because a free root when you're OOM and getting unsnared adds on quads will save your life. It can also free up a spell slot.

If you go halfling, you basically get Lumi staff, snare clicky, DoT clicky, and potentially epic snare dot clicky, hide + sneak (inconsistent), and eat way too much. Plus you're short and have hairy feet, which I guess is a perk if you're into that kind of thing.

Druids aren't into the indoors, so being a small race isn't really a bonus since you won't necessarily be indoors looking through walls a bunch.

D'oh! Well, that's one less reason to choose a Halfling, but aside from that what are the names of the snare and DoT click items you speak of? Are these something that are halfling restricted or karana based?

[Ravager]

Elder Spiritist's Gauntlets and Vambraces, any druid can use at levels 45+.

[jolanar]

Sneak for quest turn ins also mostly pointless when you are already good faction.

[NarcolepticLTD]

halflings definitely look like garbage. Sneak is all kinds of useful in certain scenarios, especially vendoring to dubious types (like the vendors/banker in CC where you can't raise faction).

even without haversacks, having a cultural alternative to skill up tailoring is useful (Woody and halfling both have that option)

as a druid you're really not going to be worried about food ever once your forage skill is of a decent level... your inventory will be overflowing with the crap.

Haversacks: the jury is still out, as this would have to be included in custom updates after the last velious patch. Everything is in game except the celestial essence used to craft the embroidering needle... the pottery combine also does not yet function on p99.

If you feel you really need that necklace, then go WE... but I don't think it's something you need to get the most out of the class. Just don't roll human.

[Pokesan]

my halfling druid has a MAN-ly mu-STACHE

elf can't do that

[Tasslehofp99]

Halfling is great, I love having hide/sneak.

[Colgate]

sneak/hide can replicate rogue sneak hide

if your class can be a halfling, make it as one

[Tasslehofp99]

sneak/hide can replicate rogue sneak hide

if your class can be a halfling, make it as one

Yep, this.

You can literally go anywhere with racial hide/sneak as it is right now. I'm pretty sure this is not intended/classic, but its been working for years after being reported to bug forums. As a druid, you get a guaranteed 10 minute invis at lvl 50. So, you can go anywhere you want with hide/sneak + invis, as long as you can make it there in 10 minutes.

[VanEinstein]

Yep, this.

You can literally go anywhere with racial hide/sneak as it is right now. I'm pretty sure this is not intended/classic, but its been working for years after being reported to bug forums. As a druid, you get a guaranteed 10 minute invis at lvl 50. So, you can go anywhere you want with hide/sneak + invis, as long as you can make it there in 10 minutes.

How often and/or for what reasons do you find yourself making use of it?

[Tupakk]

Halfling and come to Dial a Port, we will show the way.

[jolanar]

Yep, this.

You can literally go anywhere with racial hide/sneak as it is right now. I'm pretty sure this is not intended/classic, but its been working for years after being reported to bug forums. As a druid, you get a guaranteed 10 minute invis at lvl 50. So, you can go anywhere you want with hide/sneak + invis, as long as you can make it there in 10 minutes.

What do you mean "you can go anywhere"? If mobs aren't all turned the other way sneak doesn't help and hide should be auto turned off when you move.

[Pokesan]

What do you mean "you can go anywhere"? If mobs aren't all turned the other way sneak doesn't help and hide should be auto turned off when you move.

It's invis+sneak. Sneak does help because mobs here only see thru it in a cone at their front. Sides are fully blind.

[Bummey]

sneak/hide can replicate rogue sneak hide


No, it can't. Only rogues can use sneak to move while hidden, and only a rogue's hide is the special invis/ivu blend that bypasses the see invis capabilities of most enemies; everyone else with the hide ability, non-rogue halflings included, will only have an invisibility equivalent to standard invisibility spells that is broken upon moving.

if your class can be a halfling, make it as one

This part's right, at least.


edit:

It's invis+sneak. Sneak does help because mobs here only see thru it in a cone at their front. Sides are fully blind.

It can mimic it, not replicate it. I've used invis/sneak to go behind the foreman in Overthere after porting in, but it's a far cry from my rogue's hide/sneak movement.

[Briscoe]

The correct answer is human.

[Doctor Jeff]

TL;DR the whole thread

halflings have sneak. there is no reason to ever be a non sneaking race.

I can walk straight down to betrayer hall invis/sneak on my halfling druid, and my woodelf druid can't get down there without clearing

also max faction in kc without a VP key

[Ravager]

TL;DR the whole thread

halflings have sneak. there is no reason to ever be a non sneaking race.

I can walk straight down to betrayer hall invis/sneak on my halfling druid, and my woodelf druid can't get down there without clearing

also max faction in kc without a VP key

The question then becomes, "Is it more useful than infinite click root?"

You're not sneaking down betrayer hall every day, and really, a druid has little reason to do that anyway.

[NarcolepticLTD]

racial Hide does work on non-undead who usually see invis (like hounds in EK).

[Ravager]

Also, even though it'd be extremely tedious, a druid could solo to 60 using nothing but the clicky root necklace.

[Doctor Jeff]

The question then becomes, "Is it more useful than infinite click root?"

You're not sneaking down betrayer hall every day, and really, a druid has little reason to do that anyway.

yes
I use sneak to bypass or hide from mobs nearly every time I play the character.

and its not just for that, can mq anything that requires indifferent as well.

was able to mq parts of my mage epic that I couldn't have on another character

same with monk epic

managing the server tick, with sneak, I have run down from the seb entrance to the ledge past mobs that definitely saw invis to catch up to my group. that would have wasted 20-30 minutes of their time to come get me otherwise.

[Ravager]

yes
I use sneak to bypass or hide from mobs nearly every time I play the character.

and its not just for that, can mq anything that requires indifferent as well.

was able to mq parts of my mage epic that I couldn't have on another character

same with monk epic

managing the server tick, with sneak, I have run down from the seb entrance to the ledge past mobs that definitely saw invis to catch up to my group. that would have wasted 20-30 minutes of their time to come get me otherwise.

KoS, using racial hide (wood elves get) to do a quest turn in that requires indifferent:

http://s15.postimg.org/ydk9hft5n/EQ000212.png

Good on you for getting to a group in Seb. One special case. If you're savvy, maybe you can be sneaky and get around a bunch of places, but it's gonna get your average person killed and then you're wasting an hour on a corpse run instead of 30 minutes on a clear. Monks are awesome with sneak, because they can FD when shit hits the fan. A druid can only D.

Clicky root, that's broken as hell. You can just root the same mobs you're sneaking by, duck around a corner and camp off the aggro without fear of being ganked from a pather.

[VanEinstein]

KoS, using racial hide (wood elves get) to do a quest turn in that requires indifferent:

http://s15.postimg.org/ydk9hft5n/EQ000212.png

Good on you for getting to a group in Seb. One special case. If you're savvy, maybe you can be sneaky and get around a bunch of places, but it's gonna get your average person killed and then you're wasting an hour on a corpse run instead of 30 minutes on a clear. Monks are awesome with sneak, because they can FD when shit hits the fan. A druid can only D.

Clicky root, that's broken as hell. You can just root the same mobs you're sneaking by, duck around a corner and camp off the aggro without fear of being ganked from a pather.

I had no idea Hide by itself could achieve that result. I suppose in this case it's due to the wall blocking his line of sight to you, yet still being able to target a trade on him by manipulating the camera angle. I really appreciated seeing this solid example & the screenshot, especially as I figured somewhere along the way I might piss off Qeynos and need to do something like that.

[Pokesan]

what a surprise that BDA would be scroll scumming

[Swish]

Are those Nikes on Edvard Tommels?

[Ravager]

what a surprise that BDA would be scroll scumming

You mean questing? Yeah, it's pretty scummy thing to do, completing a quest for a reward in a game called EverQuest.