Nostalrius shut down

[Rec]

The evil blizzard strikes again

https://en.nostalrius.org/

[Laugher]

So wait, did not read whole thing but (*edit*guess I did)

Tldr nostralius got shut down but is now open source?

[Fame]

ouch, wtf, the arts are dead

[itzmatt86]

Yep, few hours ago the notice was given. Sucks balls.

[silo32]

KEK

[AzzarTheGod]

French hosted. Dumb. Not surprised at all.

Get some real hosting.

[Lune]

They had something like over 800k+ accounts at least, so I'm not surprised. Although I'm not sure how many of those people would actually realistically play WoW if they didn't have Nost. Especially with plenty of other private servers available.

[AzzarTheGod]

hope Corecraft isn't that dumb.

[jolanar]

Probably wasn't even "Blizzard"'s decision. Lawyers gonna lawyer.

[BahamutDF]

This was inevitable. Nostalrius grew far too large and had too much attention to ever stay niche enough to have a chance at staying up.

[AzzarTheGod]

This was inevitable. Nostalrius grew far too large and had too much attention to ever stay niche enough to have a chance at staying up.

Depends on the country and host.

There are over 100+ places and thousands of hosts where Blizzard can't shut a server down.

For France, yes it was inevitable.

[Pitborn]

Really enjoyed the server.. probably had my best ever world pvp experiences in Wow on Nost due to the ultra high population.

Hopefully the Wow community can take a page from p99 and come up with an approach to have a legacy based WoW server that can appease the gods at Blizzard.

RIP.

[Swish]

Yep I didn't stay long but the time there was memorable. Lost count of the amount of people who were easily triggered and susceptible to being trolled without realizing (a lot of them were Russian/east Europeans).

[Rogean]

Really enjoyed the server.. probably had my best ever world pvp experiences in Wow on Nost due to the ultra high population.

Hopefully the Wow community can take a page from p99 and come up with an approach to have a legacy based WoW server that can appease the gods at Blizzard.

RIP.

Blizzard doesn't share Daybreak's philosophy regarding emulated servers. Even operating in a gray area like we did pre-agreement isn't any comfort either, as Blizzard's legal apparatus will drain you financially regardless.

[Rogean]

After reading the post on nostalrius.org and change.org, it sounds like all they received was a cease and decist? If so I can't believe they are shutting down on that alone.

[Oleris]

RIP my 40 rogue on pvp server :(

Also, blizzard got twitch to ban people streaming their servers. Hope that never happens to p1999.

[Swish]

RIP my 40 rogue on pvp server :(

Also, blizzard got twitch to ban people streaming their servers. Hope that never happens to p1999.

If I were an EQ streamer and that happened I'd just move to MLG or a lesser one like Instagib (ghost town at the moment)

[Tankdan]

Only thing bad about Nostalrius was the ping and the elitism (My guild was not even top 20 on that server and was benching players for Molten Core).

RIP to the server, I played it for the first 3 weeks and had some fun.

[Daywolf]

Awww... I better let my wolf go free, to one last time scamper through the woods and make piles of dog shite where he wills. Will miss ya lil Paws. o7

Oh well, hated the game on live, tried it years after release. just wanted to play the vanilla version which I remember people saying it was much better then. It was playable, but far from the best.

Interesting Bliz is going after them, it's not like the live servers, and doesn't make me want to play nor quit playing on live. Still the same, want nothing to do with the modern game, of any blizzard games for that matter.

[Grandbeard]

The evil blizzard strikes again

https://en.nostalrius.org/

Their forum mods must have sore fingers from hitting the DELETE THREAD button so many times. Remarkable how far WOW has fallen and how crap their business model is now.

[Ennewi]

Sucks indeed. Knew there was a silver-lining to Kronos. RIP Nost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuOYmqSF6OQ

[iruinedyourday]

that video makes me hate shitty nerd AAA game devs even more than I already hate shitty nerd AAA game devs. Which is crazy because I hated them the maximum amount already.

[suppresso]

Yeah totally sucks that they caved on the first C&D. It was my first experience with Wow and was a ton of fun. And a very nice and NEEDED break from EQ. But I am back!

[Swish]

I'm sure people are returning to "retail" in droves....


































ehehehehehe

[Swish]

Any half decent populated alternatives where you can't get your wallet out for pixels?

Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM

[Daywolf]

Any half decent populated alternatives where you can't get your wallet out for pixels?
Umm Kronos? Vanilla, right? It's in eastern europe, but you're in the EU so not far for you. I played on it some, it's fairly active, but just too much lag for me. None for me, I'm done with the wow emu experiment.

[NegaStoat]

After reading the post on nostalrius.org and change.org, it sounds like all they received was a cease and decist? If so I can't believe they are shutting down on that alone.

It's a bit of rumor mongering on some players' part, but... The server's been up for over a year, and paladins and shaman still have their abilities and talents screwed. Literally every other 1.12.1 project that's up (Kronos, Valkyrie, even Rebirth) have better code in place for these classes. Examples for Nostalrius include -

Shaman Windfury Weapon doesn't gain bonus AP as listed when triggered, doesn't have the cyclone animation, and isn't adjusted by talents for improvement.

Shaman searing totem fires off on both hostile and neutral targets alike.

Shaman grounding totem at one point drained unlimited spells. Now it simply doesn't work at all.

Paladins have their consecrate spell adjusted by both Attack & Spell power (both)

Paladin Holy Light spell is still at a broken 46% spell bonus adjustment

Paladin Crusader Seal has all of the AP & Haste gains, and none of the diminished base weapon damage as listed on the tooltip.

People are legitimately thinking that the server staff did NOT have the skill to script the AQ & Naxx raids, let alone fix classes to a correct state, and are just bugging out and taking their share of the RMT cut as they go. Which is one hell of a scheme considering the time frame of a little over a year to groom things once their success was realized.

[Daywolf]

just bugging out and taking their share of the RMT cut as they go. RMT? Reptilian-Man Takeover? I thought that wasn't suppose to happen until Planet X is visible in the sky...

Nos is a donation based server like P99, no micro-transactions, anti-RMT, no boxing etc etc. unlike 99% of wow emu servers meh. Even with the bugs ...it was about overpopulated hehe. In fact, at least playing a hunter, I had far less problems on Nos than on Kronos, which has an OP bug with the hunter (OP Raptor pets) and broken quests.

[cronik]

Their forum mods must have sore fingers from hitting the DELETE THREAD button so many times. Remarkable how far WOW has fallen and how crap their business model is now.

Wow.

That really IS blizz-like.

[AzzarTheGod]

After reading the post on nostalrius.org and change.org, it sounds like all they received was a cease and decist? If so I can't believe they are shutting down on that alone.

Would you personally have ignored an initial cease and desist? I assume you mean you would be waiting for an actual summons right?

Genuinely curious if that's what you mean. Definitely makes sense to wait for a court to tell you to shut down, but I assume they were afraid of the threat of Blizzard seeking damages and/or having to hire an attorney for the initial proceedings (obviously this is optional).

[NegaStoat]

C&D's are cheap as hell to issue from a legal team. That prompts the question, why doesn't Blizzard have their team issue C&D's to every private server project that they become aware of?

The correct answer involves RMT sales, server population in terms of being a rival, and what evidence they are sitting on that could generate an uncomfortable investigation. Blizzard on the surface seems to only be bothered to take action if it's worth their while to follow up with what comes after the C&D.

It didn't help that the project was being run out of France, either.

[AzzarTheGod]

The correct answer involves RMT sales, server population in terms of being a rival, and what evidence they are sitting on that could generate an uncomfortable investigation. Blizzard on the surface seems to only be bothered to take action if it's worth their while to follow up with what comes after the C&D.

It didn't help that the project was being run out of France, either.

Agreed. Complying with the C&D seems smart in this case, the server was most likely turning a profit and/or owned by a wealthy group/person that could be worth money with the right case.

[AzzarTheGod]

that video makes me hate shitty nerd AAA game devs even more than I already hate shitty nerd AAA game devs. Which is crazy because I hated them the maximum amount already.

Right there with you...it takes a special kind of sperglord to ignore the numbers and data and lie to upper management or in a planning meeting like a douchebag

"they think they do, but they don't! we make the best WoW possible, each expac was an improvement on previous gameplay".

lol naw. shout out to the WOTLK golden era esp. TBC was alright...

[AenorVZ]

French hosted. Dumb.

[Bones]

rip nost played there for 5 months got rk 11 lvl 60 paladin

was tons a fun despite the lag

[Spyder73]

Rampage nerds that left for Nost are cringing hard right now I'd imagine

[Bones]

bro everybody on nost is cringing hard

last populated beacon of hope for vanilla wow gone

[Akashx]

Rampage plays on live.

[Swish]

They released the source code, it's just down to the community to pick ONE new home where servers aren't going to get lawyered off. What about Brazil? India?

[Cecily]

Wouldn't publicly releasing that code get them into legal issues as well?

[Tewaz]

Server was fun, but the wave of Asians abusing the hell out of the box was ruining it. Another six months of that and the servers would've been unplayable. I'm guessing they plugged and ran with the RMT; a perfect storm for them.

[Hoozi]

Makes sense, since blizzard is planning to do their own vanilla thing: https://twitter.com/Blizzard_EN/status/716004308043624448 ;) (i really wish this were true, those bastards)

[Storm]

I'm surprised it took Blizzard that long to shut them down, tbh. I've seen much smaller servers shut down sooner for much less.

[Rogean]

Would you personally have ignored an initial cease and desist?

That's not a hypothetical question. I'll leave it at that.

Genuinely curious if that's what you mean.

Yup.

[eadric]

The fact that they just folded on the first cease and desist notice does indicate they were tired of running the server, and not willing to go through the added hassle that would be required to keep it going. That's understandable... the amount of (china to west) RMT on the server was ridiculous and a constant (losing) battle for them.

Despite the overcrowding, the lag, and the broken quests and bugs everywhere, it was a fun place to play while it lasted. RIP Nostalrius.

[Baler]

That classic client sucked. I think blizzard was so ashamed of that ancient client that they pushed for this just to save face. :P

Blizzard will send lawyers/'official representatives' to your doorstep.

My final thought is will this be enough to end blizzard's anti classic era server mentally. I very much so think not. Based solely on key members responses to players, streamers and other game developers who have asked them about pre-current era based servers.
"no one wants to play that", "too many bugs to fix", "changes to the current systems that would not allow that", "prefer to see the game continuously evolve and progress", "not feasible to support multiple versions"
inb4 kronos rip?

[burkemi5]

Only thing bad about Nostalrius was the ping and the elitism (My guild was not even top 20 on that server and was benching players for Molten Core).

RIP to the server, I played it for the first 3 weeks and had some fun.

There were 20 guilds doing MC in one alliance? Jesus christ.

[AzzarTheGod]

They released the source code, it's just down to the community to pick ONE new home where servers aren't going to get lawyered off. What about Brazil? India?

you don't just pick really, you need access/help. nobody lives there who is willing to do it and coordinate it.

that's why it was hosted in france to begin with.

[nilbog]

I played Nostralrius. In fact, I was grouped and/or guilded with some p99 people during that time. It was a good time.

Beneath this line will be a lot of Wow stuff. Avoid.

I started day 1 outside the Darnassus tree and eventually left with Stark around level 5. These were tough times. We were fighting over spawn points we didn't know next to hundreds of other people. After I got out, things were better. Most people didn't get out.. for a while. Stayed up till the next day, got to mid teens. By this point, I was grouping with Alunova in Westfall. Shortly after, I was doing Deadmines with Yulath as my tank. I hadn't healed anyone since Vanguard, and it was pretty exciting in garbage gear. After that, I did the normal routine of zone/quest hopping till I got to 60. At that point, I joined a few p99 heavy guilds.. uh, Charles Bronson, Second Sons, and Massivus Backhandith. Started doing Onyxia and Molten Core under a leader by the name of Healadin. He had no idea that I did p99 or anything about Everquest. Actually, 99% of my experience was like that, despite the fact I named myself Nilbog. Also, despite the odds, I was the feral druid tank for my guild. Did Onyxia and MC that way. I retired soon after, because the pvp point ranking system was broken. I told my guild this, but I was ignored. In classic, I was a guildleader on Burning Legion pvp server. I played beta, and I had a guild which focused on pvp. For membership, you had to duel me personally. I thought that was a good thing to do at the time, not knowing where the game would end up. When I retired from live, I had all my Alliance city factions maxed, and had ~49.5k hks (2007).

Beneath this, there will be a lot of random WoW stuff. Avoid.

What I was hoping for was pure vanilla experience. Nostalrius mostly delivered aside from client issues (which I completely understand). An example of this would be uh.. talent trees. Druids should not have hurricane as a spell, but the bottom talent of balance, classically(vanillaly). As far as content release, they should have released warsong gulch and alterac valley before arathi basin. You shouldn't have access to battlemasters in cities for a long time. One of my favorite 'emergent gameplay' WoW experiences was southshore vs tarren mill, with people having to queue for Alterac Valley in Hillsbrad.

I can type 10000 more words by request.

R.I.P. Nostalrius. Good server.

[AzzarTheGod]

Beneath this line will be a lot of Wow stuff. Avoid.


No thank you. Read it all ;)

I was very intrigued by your bit about your classic PvP roots as well as your perspective on what was wrong and right about Nost through the vanilla lens.

But it would probably take someone more immersed in classic WoW than I to spur another paragraph out of you.

[Laugher]

I played Nostralrius. In fact, I was grouped and/or guilded with some p99 people during that time. It was a good time.

Beneath this line will be a lot of Wow stuff. Avoid.

R.I.P. Nostalrius. Good server.

Pras to another chapter of Charles Bronson

[Shortstack]

Only 49.5k hks?

[Ac888]

Played on Nost since launch and yes it was JUST a cease and desist. Many servers before them have received the same and just wiped their butt with it and went to a new host.

Nost and their host are basically just rolling over and playing dead but what can you expect from the French... sigh..

Guess I'll have to wait and see what happens with Pantheon.

[Lune]

http://i.imgur.com/aVqh4O3.jpg

WoW is kill. They don't even release their subscription #'s anymore. The dogshit they have now is simply unplayable.

[Sear]

Surprised they're folding over one C&D. There must be more to that.

Server was fun for a little while - light years moreso than live WoW is. I was suckered into dishing out $50+ for WoD to try it again last year, and the game is bloated on-rails garbage now.

Even on the classic servers, it's hard for me not to consider what WoW PvP could have been had they not walled-off players from eachother with instanced content. Always preferred EQ's player-driven economy over WoW's automated AH, too.

[eadric]

..
Beneath this, there will be a lot of random WoW stuff. Avoid.

What I was hoping for was pure vanilla experience. Nostalrius mostly delivered aside from client issues (which I completely understand). An example of this would be uh.. talent trees. Druids should not have hurricane as a spell, but the bottom talent of balance, classically(vanillaly). As far as content release, they should have released warsong gulch and alterac valley before arathi basin. You shouldn't have access to battlemasters in cities for a long time. One of my favorite 'emergent gameplay' WoW experiences was southshore vs tarren mill, with people having to queue for Alterac Valley in Hillsbrad.

I can type 10000 more words by request.

R.I.P. Nostalrius. Good server.I agree that the battlemasters were a big negative, as they took away from the world pvp and added more to the isolated instance feel of it all. On vanilla, I played on RPVP servers Emerald Dream and Lightninghoof. We did a lot of world pvp on those servers, but it was always hard to keep it going in large part due to "dishonorable kills" and the way they were shared across a whole raid. I'm not even sure how much they affected our ranking, but when people would see those Dishonorable Kills, they would hearthstone and log out. DK's are a major flaw in vanilla WoW, imo.

We had some huge world pvp battles after the announcement the other night. Horde massed at the gates of Stormwind, and we battled back and forth for hours. Now the city is covered in player corpses.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/aVqh4O3.jpg

WoW is kill. They don't even release their subscription #'s anymore. The dogshit they have now is simply unplayable.

Lune can't you pull the numbers from their financials?

That's how I always did it. But you are right, there are no press releases on numbers. If you wanted numbers you could always peak at the financial statement and reverse engineer it.

Its a publicly traded company.

[Freeport]

Any alternatives... Never played nost but after hearing so many good things whats everyone going to after shutdown... Rebirth or wowcore?

[AzzarTheGod]

Any alternatives... Never played nost but after hearing so many good things whats everyone going to after shutdown... Rebirth or wowcore?

Corecraft is on the horizon as the "NEXT BIG THING" in WoW emulation.

Check it out. Its a different flavor than vanilla though.

[Krycek]

New TBC server opening up Thursday, the 14th. I'll be playing there with some friends and I think my old nost guild. Its a BC server focused on BC content, the classic raids aren't working afaik and might not even be available to zone in to. Can choose to start at 60 or 1.

http://playtbc.com/

[Tankdan]

New TBC server opening up Thursday, the 14th. I'll be playing there with some friends and I think my old nost guild. Its a BC server focused on BC content, the classic raids aren't working afaik and might not even be available to zone in to. Can choose to start at 60 or 1.

http://playtbc.com/

Sounds like everything a Nostalrius player wouldn't enjoy. Broken zones, instant levels, hmm sounds like every other private WoW server. What next, 2x exp rates?

[Tankdan]

Lune can't you pull the numbers from their financials?

That's how I always did it. But you are right, there are no press releases on numbers. If you wanted numbers you could always peak at the financial statement and reverse engineer it.

Its a publicly traded company.

Another problem with those numbers, that they stopped releasing, is that WoW is now free for anyone with gold, and that counts as a "subscriber." I quit WoW with like 300k gold and subbed for a month for 35k gold, never paid them a dime, but even I count as a subscriber according to them.

[Odann]

I played Nostralrius. In fact, I was grouped and/or guilded with some p99 people during that time. It was a good time.

Beneath this line will be a lot of Wow stuff. Avoid.

I started day 1 outside the Darnassus tree and eventually left with Stark around level 5. These were tough times. We were fighting over spawn points we didn't know next to hundreds of other people. After I got out, things were better. Most people didn't get out.. for a while. Stayed up till the next day, got to mid teens. By this point, I was grouping with Alunova in Westfall. Shortly after, I was doing Deadmines with Yulath as my tank. I hadn't healed anyone since Vanguard, and it was pretty exciting in garbage gear. After that, I did the normal routine of zone/quest hopping till I got to 60. At that point, I joined a few p99 heavy guilds.. uh, Charles Bronson, Second Sons, and Massivus Backhandith. Started doing Onyxia and Molten Core under a leader by the name of Healadin. He had no idea that I did p99 or anything about Everquest. Actually, 99% of my experience was like that, despite the fact I named myself Nilbog. Also, despite the odds, I was the feral druid tank for my guild. Did Onyxia and MC that way. I retired soon after, because the pvp point ranking system was broken. I told my guild this, but I was ignored. In classic, I was a guildleader on Burning Legion pvp server. I played beta, and I had a guild which focused on pvp. For membership, you had to duel me personally. I thought that was a good thing to do at the time, not knowing where the game would end up. When I retired from live, I had all my Alliance city factions maxed, and had ~49.5k hks (2007).

Beneath this, there will be a lot of random WoW stuff. Avoid.

What I was hoping for was pure vanilla experience. Nostalrius mostly delivered aside from client issues (which I completely understand). An example of this would be uh.. talent trees. Druids should not have hurricane as a spell, but the bottom talent of balance, classically(vanillaly). As far as content release, they should have released warsong gulch and alterac valley before arathi basin. You shouldn't have access to battlemasters in cities for a long time. One of my favorite 'emergent gameplay' WoW experiences was southshore vs tarren mill, with people having to queue for Alterac Valley in Hillsbrad.

I can type 10000 more words by request.

R.I.P. Nostalrius. Good server.

I truly wish you would have played on Kronos instead of Nostalrius. It is infinitely better and far more classic than most would have you believe. Feel free to change your realmlist sometime and hit up Druzzil.

:D

[Krycek]

Sounds like everything a Nostalrius player wouldn't enjoy. Broken zones, instant levels, hmm sounds like every other private WoW server. What next, 2x exp rates?

Dunno it seems to be one of the more popular choices, at least on the nost forums. Offers a fresh start so I'm sure that is one of the biggest drawing factors. Plus atm its offering a pve option, dunno if there are any tbc pve servers out there. And its 1x xp rate.

[Swish]

It could be the start of a Blizz crusade on wow emulators... death due to popularity.

I'm wary about starting anything anywhere now :/

At the same time, I'm not subbing to WoW again lol.

[AzzarTheGod]

At the same time, I'm not subbing to WoW again lol.

Welcome to...ah...

several years ago.

[Swish]

well yeah, the point being that this little "cease and desist" notice isn't going to change their sub numbers for the better :p

[georgie]

Kronos is in Sweden,
'Good luck'

[Jauna]

WoD killed wows subs so hard they had to stop posting numbers
here comes the wildly popular Nost server
Blizzard panicing about WoW subs, if this dies, they die
Now Nost gets into microtransactions
Blizzard did not like this
Next time you see an RMT ban thank our devs for the tight leash they keep on this server

[quido]

I had fun leveling up on Nost and experiencing the World of Warcraft for the first time, but I thought the PvP was extremely lame. It was fun for a while in a light-hearted sort of way, but the PvP was way too meaningless and spammy for any enduring appeal. I sometimes wonder if PvP in WoW eventually got better.

[Jauna]

I had fun leveling up on Nost and experiencing the World of Warcraft for the first time, but I thought the PvP was extremely lame. It was fun for a while in a light-hearted sort of way, but the PvP was way too meaningless and spammy for any enduring appeal. I sometimes wonder if PvP in WoW eventually got better.

try red today i guess

[quido]

wat

[Jauna]

just sayin

[quido]

I don't get it.

[Cecily]

Consider Lineage II 10 years ago...

Some videos from my clans Synergy / Eternal Avatar.

I miss weekly castle sieges so much. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKYr-2Sw_g&nohtml5=False)
My favorite Swede on archer / mage. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmpTFTrABE8)
Dutch girl Dagger PvP. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uKtZc7MhMI&nohtml5=False)
Raids were awful tho unless you were killing... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJNK3rCxzcA&nohtml5=False)
Mother Fucking Antharas the Earth Dragon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FxKWd8hBGc&nohtml5=False)

EQ is a pretty shitty game and I'm so glad I quit for L2 in 2004. You should too.

[applesauce25r624]

I sometimes wonder if PvP in WoW eventually got better.
wotlk

[georgie]

everyone knows Edward does not pvp, that's the joke.

[Swish]

wotlk

nope - that made large scale pvp stupid.

Whether you're a pvp master or not, getting yanked by a death knight into a crowd of 30 of the opposing team was certain death. Making a "hero class" was a terribad idea.

No fun to be had there, and that's where I jumped ship.

[Odann]

Kronos is in Sweden,
'Good luck'

No.

I already sent out the only remaining invitation our server has to Nilbog. No one else allowed after all these Nostalrius shitheads invaded my lag-free, perfectly stable server.

[AzzarTheGod]

wotlk

WOTLK. with a classic WOTLK timeline patch-cycle...put everyone in power at various points of the expansion....

Largely considered the Golden Age of WoW.

[cronik]

Yea nothing better than 20-30min arena battles waiting for someone to have enough cool downs used up while you have enough in the tank to dps through the absurd heals.

If that's too exciting you can do battlegrounds that culminate in colonial- era musket battles.

I enjoyed it for a while but there's no way in fucking hell I'd ever play that era again considering how horrifically long the battles dragged on for.

[AzzarTheGod]

Yea nothing better than 20-30min arena battles waiting for someone to have enough cool downs used up while you have enough in the tank to dps through the absurd heals.

If that's too exciting you can do battlegrounds that culminate in colonial- era musket battles.

I enjoyed it for a while but there's no way in fucking hell I'd ever play that era again considering how horrifically long the battles dragged on for.

This sounds more like later WOTLK...it was a long PvP era.

[Swish]

No.

I already sent out the only remaining invitation our server has to Nilbog. No one else allowed after all these Nostalrius shitheads invaded my lag-free, perfectly stable server.

http://i.imgur.com/t5cnV68.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

Yea nothing better than 20-30min arena battles waiting for someone to have enough cool downs used up while you have enough in the tank to dps through the absurd heals.

If that's too exciting you can do battlegrounds that culminate in colonial- era musket battles.

I enjoyed it for a while but there's no way in fucking hell I'd ever play that era again considering how horrifically long the battles dragged on for.

Example, one patch cycle boomkins crit 70k in pvp. The burst existed to counter long fights at various patch cycles. It was very interesting. The most interesting season and complex PvP of all time.

[Orotiagito]

Damn, I literally just installed their installer last week and I didn't give it a chance.

I just wanted to relive windfury shamans.

[Orotiagito]

Damn, I literally just installed their installer last week and I didn't give it a chance.

I just wanted to relive windfury shamans.

[Swish]

Damn, I literally just installed their installer last week and I didn't give it a chance.

I just wanted to relive windfury shamans.

Apparently they weren't working properly.

[pasi]

I had fun leveling up on Nost and experiencing the World of Warcraft for the first time, but I thought the PvP was extremely lame. It was fun for a while in a light-hearted sort of way, but the PvP was way too meaningless and spammy for any enduring appeal. I sometimes wonder if PvP in WoW eventually got better.

Had fun exploring Azeroth with you and Stickypal (Ketchup).

PvP did a lot better from a balance, competition, and meaningfulness standpoint after Vanilla. However, much like comparing Red99 and 2001 Rallos Zek, Nostalrius and 2004 WoW were completely different beasts despite content and mechanical similarities. As with any MMO, it's sort of a "you had to be there" type deal.

Anyhow, WoW PvP in the form of arenas was fantastic from a gameplay standpoint. There were balance hiccups for sure, but the game largely failed as an ESport (2007 to 2009?) because it was far too technical to spectate. That's at least my opinion.

[AenorVZ]

That's not a hypothetical question.

Haha you guys make bad staffing decisions but at least you've got balls.

[Stylez]

I've gone back to the www.therebirth.net and it's looks like 700+ people have followed. Yeah all the blah blah about freaky we all know but a new team is at the helm now.

[Swish]

I don't see how it can avoid it.... particularly if their business model is "make money" however possible.

I think most people would rather have some Vanilla WoW servers more than do pet battles or whatever stupid shit goes on these days for $$

[AzzarTheGod]

I don't see how it can avoid it.... particularly if their business model is "make money" however possible.

I think most people would rather have some Vanilla WoW servers more than do pet battles or whatever stupid shit goes on these days for $$

From my industry understanding, legacy servers/classic servers are a hard sell to management because it involves acknowledging that your current product is not the best product.

The design goal is to make every expansion a better version of the game. Progression is as far as SOE would go. You will never see legacy servers for Blizzard.

For this reason, you will not see legacy servers unless Blizzard is in financial trouble with WoW.

[Swish]

The design goal is to make every expansion a better version of the game.

If they haven't realized that this hasn't been happening for at least 3 expansions I think they're doomed.

To those of us that quit after/during WotLK, seeing "kung fu panda" monks appear was just funny. I knew (or at least felt) then that I shouldn't be playing a kids game and that at 30ish it was probably time to move on. Oh hey P99 :D

[NegaStoat]

I've gone back to the www.therebirth.net and it's looks like 700+ people have followed. Yeah all the blah blah about freaky we all know but a new team is at the helm now.

I found myself having to head there too. Valkyrie is DOA. Kronos is a laggy, 50 unit Draw Distance crapfest now that's embraced Chinese farming guilds with VPN exemptions. Which is a real shame as I spent my time there since it launched and did a crapton of bug reporting for them.

The bugs on Rebirth make me ill. Either the previous staff members did fuck-all in fixing even basic bugs, or the players never played 2004-2006 era WoW and understand how shit is supposed to work. Or the Rebirth players gave zero fucks about even making bug reports.

I'm about to submit my first wave of 30+ bugs. I'm curious how this will pan out.

[NegaStoat]

The crap that Blizzard is getting is hilarious. Their facebook page is FLOODED with mean comments about the current state of the game, and what happened to Nost. I hope Blizzard finally implements Legacy servers after seeing a huge market for it.

Actually, the latest theory on why Nost shut down is both tragic and hilarious. Rival projects run solely for profit that are huge (Molten is the big one) have been caught issuing Doxxed C&D papers to smaller projects with a striking level of quality to being Blizzard legal team forgeries.

The current rumor is the C&D was a fake, the Nostalrius staff already had the profit they were after and didn't want to risk it, and shut the thing down because once again, the player backlash from releasing AQ and Naxx late (if at all) would be a mess.

Part of the proof this might be the case is that Blizzard as a company has issued NO statements about the C&D or legal action. None. But they were very swift to do so with their shutting down of Scriptcraft.

It might be a situation where Blizz is thinking "Hey. We did what?" involving the Nost shutdown claim but can't easily step forward and say "Um, that wasn't us, guys." without remotely implying that they were fine with Nostalrius' existance, being that it was a private server.

[Doors]

I had multiple 60s on Nost including one of the first alliance level 60s.

Pre 1.4 mount, played with Nilbog and had a guild of p99er's when the server launched.

This was by far the best emulated server I have ever played on, with the exception of p99.

They did an incredible job making damn near every single quest functional. Raids were done well too. I would argue this was a better experience than live WoW when it launched back in 2004 because there were so many more people. World PVP was the shit and it was nonstop everywhere on nost.

It's sad how down the drain Blizzard has gone. Current live WoW is an abortion of a game. Garrisons have completely ruined any chance of salvaging it too. They could have just made Garrisons a mini game on iPads or something because right now, there is no reason at all to ever leave your Garrison. And prior to this zone phasing was also the beginning of the end. The game feels hollow and empty anymore. I renew once a year to check things out with wishful thinking that the game might turn around but am disappointed and cancel my subscription within a day or two every time.

Legacy servers would have been the only thing that brought me back but after this, I will never play their version of WoW again. This is bullshit in my opinion. Nost was a huge community and they did this because they want those players to sub so they can make more money. They're too idiotic to realize their current product is awful which is why something like Nost became so big.

RIP the good times there playing with my p99 pals.

[Rec]

We need russia to take over canada so we can get good ping and host a server there

[Tann]

a former lead designer for vanilla wow chimed in

https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhaime-legacy-server-among-world-of-warcraft-community/c/434305499

I was the team lead for vanilla WoW (@grummz on twitter to see that its really me). People have been asking for my thoughts on the Nostalrius servers.

After giving it a lot of thought, I feel Blizzard could have found a way to support these significant fan efforts to bring back vanilla servers, rather than resorting to scary legal tactics. Blizzard, these gamers are not your enemy, they are some of your greatest supporters. Hire them, but them out. Almost 900,000 players say they want to see this. Don't ignore them. Don't tell them "You think you do, but you don't" and instead tell them "we love you guys and we want to thank you for your fandom." My suggestions:

1) You say you lost the original source for vanilla, so use Nostralus' version.
2) Hire the team that did it and let them run/support the service under the Blizzard banner.
3) Add cloud based support so people can spin up private legacy servers on Bnet, chose an expansion, and play with their friends.
4) Profit. :)

Mike, I helped build this game for you, I hope you'll hear me out. Support these fans and dedicated gamers.

[Daywolf]

"You say you lost the original source for vanilla, so use Nostralus' version"
They couldn't do that, big time legal reasons. They shouldn't do that, technical issues. They never lost the old backups, that would be a total lie on their part. Even if they got rid of their house backups, which is unlikely, a lawyer has the original source/s locked in a vault for copyright defense purposes, guaranteed.

[Swish]

RE: the loss of old files... SOE managed to lose the original vanilla EQ files didn't it? Or was that some kind of "sorry, not doing it" get out as well?

[AzzarTheGod]

RE: the loss of old files... SOE managed to lose the original vanilla EQ files didn't it? Or was that some kind of "sorry, not doing it" get out as well?

Just propaganda.

You guys have no idea how disrespectful "classic" servers are to current project leaders do you?

a former lead designer for vanilla wow chimed in

https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhaime-legacy-server-among-world-of-warcraft-community/c/434305499

This has been stated by Dave Georgeson himself, an industry insider and project leader for SOE / Daybreak of the EQ franchise. How could a classic server be better than current evolving cutting edge design? Its the anathema to everything a gaming corporation stands for. Not sure why nerds year after year can't wrap their head around this?



Management would never allow it unless in dire financial straights, worse financial straights than Daybreak even...

You can't run a classic server without admitting current design is not THE ultimate design. It has NEVER happened, and will NEVER happen.

[Swish]

I dunno, after 20+ expansions its not hard for some people to say "we want to relive the classic era as it used to be".

Meanwhile the one developer left while scratching his head for what AA's and content to add next (complete heal for warriors etc) is probably quietly agreeing EQ's best days are certainly behind it.

[AzzarTheGod]

I dunno, after 20+ expansions its not hard for some people to say "we want to relive the classic era as it used to be".

Meanwhile the one developer left while scratching his head for what AA's and content to add next (complete heal for warriors etc) is probably quietly agreeing EQ's best days are certainly behind it.

What about that project leader and management though who back their project and stand behind it, fund it, and manage every aspect of its continued development?

You don't know what? Its disrespectful, and until corporate culture changes, you will NEVER get a classic server by ANY company. Its pure corporate anathema and that's why you have never seen one, despite popularity and profit to be had.

[Swish]

Maybe it'll just take subscriber numbers to tail right off, but I think they'd do it if people put in for $8-10/month and there was enough interest (which there is).

[burkemi5]

http://www.wowhead.com/item=18609/anathema

This item was the shit back in the day.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://www.wowhead.com/item=18609/anathema

This item was the shit back in the day.

nice refs bro.

[AzzarTheGod]

Maybe it'll just take subscriber numbers to tail right off, but I think they'd do it if people put in for $8-10/month and there was enough interest (which there is).

It takes project failure to admit your design isn't the best, so yes, it takes subscriber numbers to tumble. Hard.

And then management has to say well whats in the budget for next expac?? If the damage is big enough they consider alternatives. It usually doesn't get past the consideration stage because another top project lead interjects "Yeah but we can make a GREAT expac, that old design sucks donkey dique". It would take 2 WoW expacs failing miserably back to back with huge budgets with 50%+ tumbles in subs to even get classic servers in the conversation imo, and then an additional 2 failed expacs to enter more serious talks about doing classic servers.

And the saga continues from there.

We are very far away from a classic server at this point. SOE sold before taking one drop of any classic money, and to date, they will not do it.

[Tann]

You can't run a classic server without admitting current design is not THE ultimate design. It has NEVER happened, and will NEVER happen.

I've read/heard this over and over about the issue but this is a complete bullshittake statement.

It would be like Sony somehow making the PS4 the only playstation that works, all the previous versions wouldn't power on.

People like playing old games or older versions of games, that doesn't mean these folk are collectively saying the current version of said older game sucks.. they just like the old one, cut and dry.

[Swish]

I don't know why companies would say "no" to more money. Seems weird to distance nearly 900k WoW fans... that's money waiting to be raked in.

[Tann]

I don't know why companies would say "no" to more money. Seems weird to distance nearly 900k WoW fans... that's money waiting to be raked in.

exactly, I'd resub if they launched a vanilla or time locked prog server.. I'm sure most of the Nost folks would too.

[Pokesan]

Most MMOs would kill for 900k, insane to toss it away so casually

[Baler]

I would bet most of the people who played on nost would never pay to play in the first place.

It's like the idea that people pirating games hurts the industry. Most of those people would never buy the game in the first place.

The only reason they play it is because it's available. Add a pay wall and Let's see how many of those dearly saddened nost players stick around.

Some, But is some enough for blizzard to fund servers, staff, etc for it? I'm guessing no. Otherwise actibilizzard would have already been capitalizing off it.

(How many of you would pay to play P99 $15 a month? Be honest, not happy-feely.)

Edit: And one more thing. how many people here actually bought and paid for the titanium client?
Same idea goes for Nost. How many of those people do you think actually bought the client from blizzard?

[mrgoochio]

Some, But is some enough for blizzard to fund servers, staff, etc for it? I'm guessing no. Otherwise actibilizzard would have already been capitalizing off it.
I'm guessing yes. actibilizzard can probably create more jobs and profit financially off of it, but choose not to because fragmenting their player base officially is likely not worth the relative small profits from legacy servers from their point of view.


Edit: And one more thing. how many people here actually bought and paid for the titanium client?
Same idea goes for Nost. How many of those people do you think actually bought the client from blizzard?
I'm guessing 99.9% of the people here on p99 has legally paid for EQ at some point in their lives. I'm guessing 90%-95% of the people on Nost have also paid for WoW at some point in their lives as well. Most people, however, most likely did not buy it to play retail, and then buy it again to play a private server. Why would we? We already bought it once and want to play what we bought, not what SOE or Blizzard turned their games into.

[Swish]

How about they make their next expansion, whatever it might be, way more difficult and in line with the old vanilla/TBC era?

Fuck pet battles, cash shop vanity shit and ideas that fragment the community (inter-realm queues for instances etc)

[Baler]

How about they make their next expansion, whatever it might be, way more difficult and in line with the old vanilla/TBC era?

Fuck pet battles, cash shop vanity shit and ideas that fragment the community (inter-realm queues for instances etc)
http://i.imgur.com/JbBwLK8.jpg

[Old_PVP]

I would bet most of the people who played on nost would never pay to play in the first place.

It's like the idea that people pirating games hurts the industry. Most of those people would never buy the game in the first place.

The only reason they play it is because it's available. Add a pay wall and Let's see how many of those dearly saddened nost players stick around.

Some, But is some enough for blizzard to fund servers, staff, etc for it? I'm guessing no. Otherwise actibilizzard would have already been capitalizing off it.

(How many of you would pay to play P99 $15 a month? Be honest, not happy-feely.)

Edit: And one more thing. how many people here actually bought and paid for the titanium client?
Same idea goes for Nost. How many of those people do you think actually bought the client from blizzard?

True enough... I will never pay a subscription again and haven't for many years. Free games are the way of the future.

[Tann]

Free games are the way of the future.

Sad but true, and it's not grandpa's free games we get to look forward to. It's cash shops and paid early access and story/gameplay sacrifices in favor of cash shop updates cause $$$

[Byrjun]

"Free To Play" is an immediate red flag to me and I'd always prefer to pay a subscription if it means no cash shop bullshit.

Am I getting old?

[FoxxHound]

"Free To Play" is an immediate red flag to me and I'd always prefer to pay a subscription if it means no cash shop bullshit.

Am I getting old?

^^ This is how I am. I like pay to play and be on an even field; instead of pay to win.

[AzzarTheGod]

True enough... I will never pay a subscription again and haven't for many years. Free games are the way of the future.

GJ youre the reason why we cant have nice things.

[Daywolf]

Yup, the f2p model is trash. They target a select few players that compulsively pay wads of money. Not just from the shops, but content is designed to cater to the compulsion of these potential "mmorpg whales"(G (https://www.google.com)).

imo the trend started [in the West] by the popularity of wow, and the potential cash cow of making fast money from the new massive swarm of casual players in wow getting bored waiting for the next wow expansion. Though these players would remain committed to wow and the next expansion release as they had shown, publishers looked for a way to grab cash from some of these players rather than trying to invent a superior game which could potentially fail - or at least generate lower revenues than investors expected. Thus the rise of the clone wars.

[Daywolf]

And based on that, there is another matter being overlooked regarding the Bliz take down of such game servers. WoW isn't the only game they have. People playing on those emu servers are not spending that time/money playing Bliz games which bring them in more money.

Consider this, you know all the uproar and mass exodus of players from wow (last year?)? Many of those players went on to play other Bliz games, and Bliz actually had a record year even though they lost millions of active wow accounts.

Nost is a threat to players choosing other Bliz games that are being marketed. It's less of an issue whether or not they like WoW as they present it, but that they stick to Bliz games in which Bliz still makes considerable money from. Nost represents a significant amount of people that can be playing other Bliz games, be the income by subscription, box costs or micro transactions.

So really it's not just something about which era or version of WoW is superior, but that there is a potential revenue being lost as dissatisfied players spend time elsewhere rather than buying other Bliz games. By closing such emu's down, many of those players will return to the Bliz selection of games surely as had happened last year when they lost a large portion of their wow subscription player base.

[Pokesan]

is the new FOTM private wow server up yet?

[AenorVZ]

(How many of you would pay to play P99 $15 a month? Be honest, not happy-feely.)

Edit: And one more thing. how many people here actually bought and paid for the titanium client?
Same idea goes for Nost. How many of those people do you think actually bought the client from blizzard?

I beta tested Wow and bought the client at launch. Did not sub after the first month expired. So when I played on nost, I played with a client I payed for.

As for the former question, I would at a minium two box and possibly three box at $15 per month to play on a commercially-run P99 server that was not run by the people who run P99.

[AenorVZ]

The Grummz post is almost word for word what I would say to Daybreak if I thought they had two brain cells to rub together:

1) You say you lost the original source for [EQ], so use [P99's] version.
2) Hire the team that did it and let them run/support the [back end] under the [Daybreak] banner. [Do not, under any circumstances, allow P99's devs to make any hiring decisions as relates to customer service.]
3) Add cloud based support so people can spin up private legacy servers on Bnet, chose an expansion, and play with their friends.
4) Profit. :)

[snergle]

The Grummz post is almost word for word what I would say to Daybreak if I thought they had two brain cells to rub together:

1) You say you lost the original source for [EQ], so use [P99's] version.
2) Hire the team that did it and let them run/support the [back end] under the [Daybreak] banner. [Do not, under any circumstances, allow P99's devs to make any hiring decisions as relates to customer service.]
3) Add cloud based support so people can spin up private legacy servers on Bnet, chose an expansion, and play with their friends.
4) Profit. :)

#2 assumes that nil and rogaen would leave their day jobs to do it. I was under the impression they have decent jobs already and do this for fun. As someone who worked in the games industry I wouldn't leave a non games industry job for equal pay in the games industry. Crunch time sucks and a lot of companies don't pay you for all of the crunch time you put in because they can fire you and hire the next retard that learned c++. Learning cobol was the smartest thing I ever did. I dread the day banks finally upgrade their shit.

[Haynar]

"Free To Play" is an immediate red flag to me and I'd always prefer to pay a subscription if it means no cash shop bullshit.

Am I getting old?
I wish they would do away with all the "Free to Play" BS. Nothing is "free". There is always a price. I would rather pay a subscription.

[maskedmelon]

I think the problem is mmo developers have no idea how to meet schedules and end up serving shit on launch day, which strangles the game in the cradle whether it has potential or not because gamers are mostly whiny bitches. FTP is the last ditch to recoup initial investment.

[Nibblewitz]

Companies find more financial success outside the subscription model. If you people think MMOs changed because of the consumers' interests changed, I am sorry; it's only about the bottom line now.

[Daywolf]

I don't know why companies would say "no" to more money. Seems weird to distance nearly 900k WoW fans... that's money waiting to be raked in.They're not though. Records say (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160211006451/en/Activision-Blizzard-Announces-Fourth-Quarter-Full-Year) never better. People may have left WoW, but just filtered to other Bliz games. Such an EMU is a threat to that. I'm sure that the logic on Bliz part is to eliminate such servers so those players will come back into their waiting arms. Doesn't matter if WoW is in those arms or not, and likely most of those players are already playing something from Bliz, but just more now.

[Pokesan]

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2016/04/wow-vanilla-server-petition-200k/

You think you want that but you don't

[Swish]

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2016/04/wow-vanilla-server-petition-200k/

You think you want that but you don't

up to 210,000+ signatures. how many indie developers would be all over this?

[Nathanian]

I played Nost for awhile, one reason I ended up here. Although I was beginning to lose interest due to the insane amount of Chinese and gold farming going taking over. Only thing that kept me going before it shut down was treating every Asian sounding name KoS and dropping that KEK on em :cool:

[Laugher]

I think if Blizz/WoW tried harder with the money they have they could easily make a classic/progression server happen. On a different note I would have told this to the WoW post, but I'd have to resub it looks like :p

[Baler]

Blizzard is just waiting for more free advertising and drama before they push the button that releases the classic or progression servers.

[Rogean]

They're facing the same technical issues that Daybreak did. But Blizzard has the money to throw around, maybe they will consider hiring a few people, from Nostalrius or otherwise, to work on somehow building a Classic server into their current client.

[Turp]

They're facing the same technical issues that Daybreak did. But Blizzard has the money to throw around, maybe they will consider hiring a few people, from Nostalrius or otherwise, to work on somehow building a Classic server into their current client.

Yea where if they change 1 thing it changes it on all servers.