GG DA

[kenzar]

Word around Crushbone is DA has been caught cheating again and has been slapped on the wrist with yet another week long raiding suspension. What does it take to get known cheaters and associates removed from the server?

[Rogean]

What does it take to get known cheaters and associates removed from the server?

What makes you think they weren't?

Stop talking about things you have no idea about.

[anotherfiz]

We're really, really, really sorry this time guys.

Really.

For realzies.

[Lazortag]

We're really, really, really sorry this time guys.

Really.

For realzies.

"We're sorry":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4PGBSptYCI

[kenzar]

What makes you think they weren't?

Oh just the developing pattern of cheaters and their punishment.

Cheaters removed - Check
Associates removed - Nah dawg lets just give em a week off...

[anotherfiz]

"We're sorry":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4PGBSptYCI

exactly what i was going for, thank you.

[Rogean]

Swell plan there buddy, ban the accounts of people that don't cheat but had guildmates that were cheating. Great idea.

[Shannacore]

Lolsrsly?

[kenzar]

Swell plan there buddy, Great idea.

Thx macabroni

[Rogean]

Lolsrsly?

nojkgoplaywow

[Rogean]

Kenzar for GM, who agrees?

[Skope]

Swell plan there buddy, ban the accounts of people that don't cheat but had guildmates that were cheating. Great idea.

The punishment is the same though. If it's another week long ban from targets then it wasn't harsh enough the first time and certainly not bad enough again... I mean, hell, it happened a week and a half later.

[Chanus]

You should ban anyone they've ever grouped or traded with as well. Maybe everyone who's ever been in the same zone at the same time just to be safe.

[Kassel]

If you play on the same server with this guys...your fucking banned....

[kenzar]

Kenzar for GM, who agrees?

Flattered, but I'm going to have to decline.

You should ban anyone they've ever grouped or traded with as well. Maybe everyone who's ever been in the same zone at the same time just to be safe.

Chanus might be a better choice though. =P

[Chanus]

Chanus for GM!

Ban me! Ban you! Ban everybody! Punitive damages!

[Japan]

lol cheating @ emu

[kenzar]

Ok, ill concede that banning the entire guild is a little harsh. Maybe a forced disbanding?

[Skope]

Ok, ill concede that banning the entire guild is a little harsh. Maybe a forced disbanding?

Delete the chars, ban the IPs and at least 2 weeks for the guild.

[Uthgaard]

I'm releasing this for my fallen brothers

Listen here you mother fuckers if i dont get my account back

^ This is us not banning cheaters.

Here's the other pattern developing.

Players cry about cheating happening on the server. Check
Cheaters get banned. Check.
Players cry about the bans being too widespread and implicate the doom of the server. Check.
Players cry about the lack of punishment. (simultaneously) Check.
Players cry about the staff. Check.
Players cry about improper investigations banning too many people. Check.
Players cry about the lack of punishment. (simultaneously) Check.
Players cry about a situation for which they dont have all of the facts, yet still assume they do. Check.
Players cry about favoritism. Check.
Players cry about nazi leadership banning everying indiscrimately. (simultaneously) Check.

It's always the same people doing these things simultaneously. What kind of existence do you lead where your sole daily obligation is to scour the current events of the server, actively searching (and quite likely hoping) for a reason to cry? Do you mongoloid tearjerkers sit around painting your fingernails black and cut yourselves too? It's really the same thing.

So cry us a river of your bitter, salty tears. We feed on them. You wouldn't know what to do if you actually had something to cry about.

[Skope]

Sorry, Uthgaard, but there's a bit of legitimacy here.

The variance wasn't classic (big surprise) and was implemented here to negate poopsocking (and that didn't work and in fact it's still happening. Again, big surprise) and it's causing problems like this where people download cheats and can have a *huge* upper hand on the competition because of it. To boot, unless the player is stupid and can't hide it then it's impossible to detect w/o something downloaded to run in the background.

Someone claiming that there's shit that's screwed and pointing to the exact reason for it isn't whining and bitching, it's a finger pointed at the root cause of the problem.

[Uthgaard]

Nope. Flat out wrong. So congratulations, you fall under Category Cry Section Fail.
Players cry about a situation for which they dont have all of the facts, yet still assume they do. Check.

Don't assume what we can and can't do because live/peq/your local box can or can't do it.

[Rallyd]

Explain to me what this "huge" upper hand is, because I'm pretty sure there isn't one besides being able to track without track.

[mitic]

3 pages with lots of blahblah but no post of what happened

[Pheer]

Explain to me what this "huge" upper hand is, because I'm pretty sure there isn't one besides being able to track without track.

rallyd defending seq use?


im shocked

[Japan]

more big-guild fag drama, it's all the same.

[Taluvill]

rallyd defending seq use?


im shocked

You trying to attack rallyd for SEQ use?

I'm shocked.

[Icecometus]

Thanks for catching the cheaters.

[President]

Please, Please, Please Dev's/GM's. I will buy you each a round of beers.

- Remove spawn variances

- Add in simulated patch days

[korrowan]

Thanks for catching the cheaters.

Indeed way to catch scumbags. Hopefully they rot in eqEMU Hell.

[Icecometus]

Please, Please, Please Dev's/GM's. I will buy you each a round of beers.

- Remove spawn variances

- Add in simulated patch days

:) all in good time Pres.

[Skope]

Nope. Flat out wrong. So congratulations, you fall under Category Cry Section Fail.


Don't assume what we can and can't do because live/peq/your local box can or can't do it.

I'm not gonna ask how, and frankly for the benefit of the server i wish that's never found out. If, though, it's the same way it happened last time to the same guild then I can tell you anyone with more than 2 brain cells and those cheats installed can get by it.

Make no mistake, the motivation for it and the reason we're even seeing it is because of the variance. It played no (little) part during poopsock days because of the 1 minute 15 to responsd rule that was implemented. You don't have that buffer anymore.

If there is a way to catch them then thank god, but i hope it's not just hot air.

[Kassel]

where people download cheats and can have a *huge* upper hand on the competition because of it.

If a ranger can do it is not a huge benefit ! =D

[Icecometus]

Zing.

[Uthgaard]

I'm not gonna ask how, and frankly for the benefit of the server i wish that's never found out. If, though, it's the same way it happened last time to the same guild then I can tell you anyone with more than 2 brain cells and those cheats installed can get by it.

Make no mistake, the motivation for it and the reason we're even seeing it is because of the variance. It played no (little) part during poopsock days because of the 1 minute 15 to responsd rule that was implemented. You don't have that buffer anymore.

If there is a way to catch them then thank god, but i hope it's not just hot air.

People can think they're getting away with it all they want. We have a very small development staff. I think you should know from personal experience that even though it takes time to get to, given that this is all done in spare time, that it will eventually be investigated. Rogean is a really clever developer, and I spend at least one day a week going through logs manually.

If we weren't able to catch it, you wouldn't see nearly so many angry people on the forums right now.

[Yam]

First they came for the cheaters
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a cheater

Then they came for the assholes
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't an asshole

Then they came for the whiners
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a whiner

Then they came for for me
and there wasn't anyone left to speak up.

Oh no wait you're dumb.

[Bodeanicus]

You should ban anyone they've ever grouped or traded with as well. Maybe everyone who's ever been in the same zone at the same time just to be safe.

Nuke from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[Rogean]

Tactical Nuke Inbound...

Wait what game are we playing again?

[Noser]

Swell plan there buddy, ban the accounts of people that don't cheat but had guildmates that were cheating. Great idea.

If you are against punishment by association then why is the entire guild being punished because of one member. Just curious.

[sobchak123]

So if some random member of some raiding guild breaks the rules in lower guk, trains some people or whatever, you gonna ban/suspend his entire guild from raiding too?

[Raylan]

Stop talking about things you have no idea about.

There goes half the people oh the forums ;)

[Trimm]

So if some random member of some raiding guild breaks the rules in lower guk, trains some people or whatever, you gonna ban/suspend his entire guild from raiding too?

I believe there is a fine line when it comes to punishing a guild or individual when it comes to cheating (2boxing, ShowEQ, MQ, Duping, whatever). There are many people who have been banned who used said cheats for personal gain, such as that kid who sat around Dagnor's and farmed Bilge for months using ShowEQ. Had he been in a guild, I don't believe the guild should have been punished in any way.

However, when someone uses ShowEQ to track a mob (lets say Cazic Thule) when they otherwise shouldn't be able to gives the entire guild an unfair advantage over another. Raider X, Y and Z receive loot that might not have been possible without the actions of the cheating player. In this case, I believe the entire guild being punished is justified.

[Mythoxxus]

I lol'ed at DA proving once again how talentless they are. You guys have been the laughing stock of guilds since you were created. Anyone confirm who got banned this time?
Mythoxxus

[Messianic]

Lol tags

[Kaleb]

Ya you should really post char names of the people you ban.

Lets be honest - that'd be f'n jokes.

/point
/laugh

[Icecometus]

The devs have never listed the names of the banned. I believe it is policy not to.

[Shannacore]

The devs have never listed the names of the banned. I believe it is policy not to.

Just because devs don't doesn't mean players can't!

I think that's how Koota got called out :[

[Pheer]

Itll come out eventually, these things always do.

[Molitoth]

In this case, I believe the entire guild being punished is justified.

Trimm, I really respect your guild and like you as a player.... although this time around, a new recruit was caught using macroquest in lowerguk. It had nothing to do with anything raid related. We have many many people with druids/rangers/fiend death on the track team.

Suspending people in the guild that have done nothing but play this game without cheating is really hurting. I know most people not in DA hate DA... and there is something to be said about that. But, there are a LOT of good/nice/classy players in DA that are getting treated unfairly due to a couple bad apples that always seem to find thier way into a DA tag. Personally, I feel bad for DA leadership who have to consistantly deal with these morons.

Trust me, there is nobody that hates these cheaters MORE than the good people in DA. Our reputation is getting ruined by a bunch of douchebags who want to cheat on an 11 year old emulated game, and it's quite pathetic.

[Pheer]

Trimm, I really respect your guild and like you as a player.... although this time around, a new recruit was caught using macroquest in lowerguk. It had nothing to do with anything raid related. We have many many people with druids/rangers/fiend death on the track team.

Suspending people in the guild that have done nothing but play this game without cheating is really hurting. I know most people not in DA hate DA... and there is something to be said about that. But, there are a LOT of good/nice/classy players in DA that are getting treated unfairly due to a couple bad apples that always seem to find thier way into a DA tag. Personally, I feel bad for DA leadership who have to consistantly deal with these morons.

Trust me, there is nobody that hates these cheaters MORE than the good people in DA. Our reputation is getting ruined by a bunch of douchebags who want to cheat on an 11 year old emulated game, and it's quite pathetic.

You're pretty naive if you don't think DA leadership was aware of koota's SEQ use. Durison is one of the shadiest guildleaders I've ever seen.

[fefifofum]

^^ cough cough say it isn't so )=

[Blink]

You're pretty naive if you don't think DA leadership was aware of koota's SEQ use. Durison is one of the shadiest guildleaders I've ever seen.

[Scrooge]

I wonder...if all the cheaters were banned, would there be more players left than if all the non-cheaters were banned instead?

[Skope]

There are many people who have been banned who used said cheats for personal gain, such as that kid who sat around Dagnor's and farmed Bilge for months using ShowEQ. Had he been in a guild, I don't believe the guild should have been punished in any way.

That kid had a name, Trimm. His name was Ralph Plsgo.

<chants> His name was Ralph Plsgo.

[Mountaineer]

/agree Trimm. Koota used showeq to track a mob...was fucking stupid on his part. That would have given us an unfair advantage toward the mob. He got banned and we were suspended from raiding for the week. We had no idea, but we took our punishment.

Now, apparently last night it was someone alt in lower guk doing something, i havent a clue. We got suspended for raiding again now for someone doing something stupid on an alt. We don't condone cheating, and if I see it being done by ANYONE, I'll make sure they never play here again. But if we don't see it being done? WHat can we do about it? Personally...i have NO idea how to see if someone is cheating. (other than by seeing something blatant). If I don't know someone is cheating, and can't prove it....what do I do? I don't want this. None of us in DA want this. We've busted our butts to do what we do. We spend tons of money on items and equip to be able to mobilize fast and kill stuff before other guilds. We don't need to cheat....we don't want to cheat. Apparently there are still dumbshits in the guild that feel like it though. So again. If we have no clue who is doing it? What can we do? I beg of you please help us out.

[Brad_mo123]

Swell plan there buddy, ban the accounts of people that don't cheat but had guildmates that were cheating. Great idea.

Why not? People get blamed and punish for an organization they are a part of all the time in the world when they directly were not in the act. They are well aware of what the guild does so they are just as guilty by staying there as are the poeple actually cheating.

[Trimm]

Trimm, I really respect your guild and like you as a player.... although this time around, a new recruit was caught using macroquest in lowerguk. It had nothing to do with anything raid related.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know the specifics. If that truly is the case, then I think only that player should have been punished.

[Mythoxxus]

^^ cough cough say it isn't so )=

Hi Fef, not sure what you mean by this, but I figure you know Durison pretty well. Can you clarify?

Mythoxxus

[karsten]

Players cry about cheating happening on the server. Check
Cheaters get banned. Check.
Players cry about the bans being too widespread and implicate the doom of the server. Check.
Players cry about the lack of punishment. (simultaneously) Check.
Players cry about the staff. Check.
Players cry about improper investigations banning too many people. Check.
Players cry about the lack of punishment. (simultaneously) Check.
Players cry about a situation for which they dont have all of the facts, yet still assume they do. Check.
Players cry about favoritism. Check.
Players cry about nazi leadership banning everying indiscrimately. (simultaneously) Check.

uthgaard i take back all the things i said about you, this is lolawesome

[Stefen]

We don't need to cheat....we don't want to cheat.

How sure are you of that? Do you honestly think DA leadership has no idea what's going on?

This is the nature of Zerg recruiting - you have very little idea who you're tagged with. While you seem sincere, I don't think you're qualified to speak for everyone tagged in DA.

I'm still amazed at the level of propaganda accepted by everyone with your tag. Despite the numerous cases of DA Cheating - Zone crashes, Item Duping, ShowEQ, etc, nearly everyone in DA seems convinced that the guild and it's leadership are legit.

Baaa goes the sheep. Baaaa.

[President]

Can't possible believe an alt in guk got a whole guild raid banned. Sorry.. don't believe it.

[enzie]

This is the nature of Zerg recruiting - you have very little idea who you're tagged with. While you seem sincere, I don't think you're qualified to speak for everyone tagged in DA.

Was going to say pretty much the same thing. I have a ton of ex-guildies and friends who recently joined DA, so I know there is definitely good people in there. But, with that many people recruited to the guild recently, even if the leadership truly has no idea about the cheaters, you are more likely to have recruited bad eggs, at the very least.

[Mountaineer]

Hey, any guild can pick up bad recruits. Zerg recruiting or not.... :-)

[fefifofum]

Hi Fef, not sure what you mean by this, but I figure you know Durison pretty well. Can you clarify?

Mythoxxus

I don't like the fact that anyone is calling my husband a bad/shady guild leader.
But I also understand everyone have their own opinion. Nothing more.

[Humerox]

^ This is us not banning cheaters.

Here's the other pattern developing.

Players cry about cheating happening on the server. Check
Cheaters get banned. Check.
Players cry about the bans being too widespread and implicate the doom of the server. Check.
Players cry about the lack of punishment. (simultaneously) Check.
Players cry about the staff. Check.
Players cry about improper investigations banning too many people. Check.
Players cry about the lack of punishment. (simultaneously) Check.
Players cry about a situation for which they dont have all of the facts, yet still assume they do. Check.
Players cry about favoritism. Check.
Players cry about nazi leadership banning everying indiscrimately. (simultaneously) Check.

It's always the same people doing these things simultaneously. What kind of existence do you lead where your sole daily obligation is to scour the current events of the server, actively searching (and quite likely hoping) for a reason to cry? Do you mongoloid tearjerkers sit around painting your fingernails black and cut yourselves too? It's really the same thing.

So cry us a river of your bitter, salty tears. We feed on them. You wouldn't know what to do if you actually had something to cry about.

I fucking love this guy.

Can't wait for Kunark....

[Denzal]

Hey, any guild can pick up bad recruits. Zerg recruiting or not.... :-)

That's true, too bad most guilds find out sooner rather than later GG Daenon

[anotherfiz]

Mountaineer, if DA didnt have a rep for housing cheaters before.. it certainly does now. You said yourself: A new recruit was messing around eh? Why do you think that new recruit chose DA ?

[Bosey101]

Mountaineer, if DA didnt have a rep for housing cheaters before.. it certainly does now. You said yourself: A new recruit was messing around eh? Why do you think that new recruit chose DA ?

To get DA banned for another week so IB could actually kill something hahahaha

[Kaleb]

To be honest - It's gotta be really hard for DA to internally police the amount of members they have.

Maybe they should consider culling the herd a little.

[Mountaineer]

I never said it was a new recruit that was the one that got banned.

[Lazortag]

Now, apparently last night it was someone alt in lower guk doing something, i havent a clue. We got suspended for raiding again now for someone doing something stupid on an alt. We don't condone cheating, and if I see it being done by ANYONE, I'll make sure they never play here again. But if we don't see it being done? WHat can we do about it? Personally...i have NO idea how to see if someone is cheating. (other than by seeing something blatant). If I don't know someone is cheating, and can't prove it....what do I do? I don't want this. None of us in DA want this. We've busted our butts to do what we do. We spend tons of money on items and equip to be able to mobilize fast and kill stuff before other guilds. We don't need to cheat....we don't want to cheat. Apparently there are still dumbshits in the guild that feel like it though. So again. If we have no clue who is doing it? What can we do? I beg of you please help us out.

"What should I do?
Should I admit that I’ve made mistakes?
Should I remind you that I’ve done this before?
What should I do? Should I tell you how much fun we had?
Should I really believe I ruined my legacy?
Should I tell you I am not a roll model?
What should I do? Should I tell you I’m a championship chaser, I did it for the money, rings?
Should I be who you want me to be?
Should I accept my role?
As a villain?
What should I do?
What should I do?
What should I do?"

[Shannacore]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/552541/bunny-eats-popcorn-o.gif

[Hobby]

hah.... i like that bunny

[ElanoraBryght]

Yay, another week of even more competition for trash planar clears as DA takes the week to backgear in Hate and Fear while they can't "raid" >.<

[Kassel]

a guild wide 24-72 hour suspension would be pretty neat. Cause a few of those no one is going to give you a free 50 and welcome you back into the fold

[girth]

So if some random member of some raiding guild breaks the rules in lower guk, trains some people or whatever, you gonna ban/suspend his entire guild from raiding too?

I made a quote!! woooooot

[Zenlina]

So you wanna know who it is? I give everyone a hint, his a ultra rare guild spawn that more then 50% of the guild hasnt heard of, and hangs out in lowerguk alot.

[Rais]

So a necro, enchanter, or a mage. Should be easy to pick out!

[Mythoxxus]

I don't like the fact that anyone is calling my husband a bad/shady guild leader.
But I also understand everyone have their own opinion. Nothing more.

What a great woman to stand up for her guy.
What I believe people are trying to say is Durison is indirectly a cheat/hack. When you take the responsibility to lead an operation, you represent that group, and frankly, all the shit will reflect upon Durison. As a previous raidleader, I was aware that I couldn't keep people from using cheats, but I made it a policy that any raid I lead was hack free, and if I caught wind of anyone using macroquest, raid was done. Period. Might I suggest less more oversight of people in charge? Someone always has to be accountable, and Durison is the face of DA.

Mythoxxus

[Mountaineer]

If you know a way to detect MQ, let me know, I will take charge of this. I'm not DUrison, but I've been in DA for 8 months and don't want to see cheaters as much as you do. SO Again, if anyone can answer my original question of "HOW", then go for it? Because Ive been to 80%+ of every raid DA has done, and haven't seen anything that looks non-legit.

[Pheer]

If you know a way to detect MQ, let me know, I will take charge of this. I'm not DUrison, but I've been in DA for 8 months and don't want to see cheaters as much as you do. SO Again, if anyone can answer my original question of "HOW", then go for it? Because Ive been to 80%+ of every raid DA has done, and haven't seen anything that looks non-legit.

the impossibility of this made me lol

[Zexa]

Mounty, are you leading DA now?

[Mountaineer]

Can you answer the question the or not?

[Skope]

Can you answer the question the or not?

Dump the variance. That would certainly help ;)

[Pheer]

Can you answer the question the or not?

Love how you act like you have no recourse, like youre forced to just take the suspensions on the chin and keep letting zerg force recruits and an inner circle of cheaters surrounding durison get you suspended from raiding.

All I can really tell you man is /guildremove, theyre not the only guild on the server that raids.

[Slathar]

From my limited time in Dark Ascension I never experienced nor saw or heard (even in Ventrilo / Teamspeak) anything to do with cheating. Obviously, that doesn't mean cheating didn't/doesn't occur.

As far as the leadership being in on it...I think that is a really far-fetched situation. Of course this opinion is based on the fact Koota (an officer) was caught cheating. That does not mean it is actively encouraged.

Even when people were upset that we'd been trained by another guild and we were antagonized in ooc/shout, the officers told us explicitly on more than one occasion not to train or get in a shouting war with the other guild.

There are a lot of good people in DA still.

I'm not in DA anymore, so take this however you like.

[Loke]

Because Ive been to 80%+ of every raid DA has done, and haven't seen anything that looks non-legit.

Just out of curiosity, I asked a friend in DA to check on this statistic for me since I know you guys keep pretty accurate records of raid attendance for loot council purposes...

...36% and 80% are not the same thing. Just sayin'.

As for the rest of this fiasco, I really have no comment. I think everyone already knows the deal here and if they don't, it's simply because they don't want to know.

[sobchak123]

Can't possible believe an alt in guk got a whole guild raid banned. Sorry.. don't believe it.

Believe it

[Humerox]

Believe it

Seems like a message is being sent.

[hellfire]

Laugh it up Fuzzball. When the GMs suspend your guild for something random player did (who btw wasn't in Sol B with the rest of the guild), we will see how you like it.
I am a newer member myself. The officers have always encouraged fairplay. Talk in say, shout, or ooc while raiding is disciplined. Our webpage specifically prohibits cheating. Durison is a great guildleader and taking shots at him for this is simply jealousy. I am sure IB would love to see us disband or ragequit since they are tired of getting beat.
For the record. DA suspended > IB 7/7 on bosses.
DA unsuspended > DA 6/7 on bosses.
Lets see if any of you other guilds have the sack to keep IB from geting all the bosses this week.

[Cyrius]

Oh you are so cool hellfire.

[Yam]

This is tacky on exactly three levels.

[Daymar]

lol @ how DA members are defying all claims against its honor with supposed ignorance. Even if you truly are that slow, nobody cares. Your past actions are a direct result to the servers attitude directed at your tag, not these cheaters. Man up and acknowledge that your guild name is spoiled. There's no coming back from that. Also quit using IB as a scapegoat, their name is spoiled too.

[Thatguy05]

The result of one person cheating is to suspend the whole guild from raiding ?? This just sounds bizarre.. whats going on with the GM's here?

[President]

The result of one person cheating is to suspend the whole guild from raiding ?? This just sounds bizarre.. whats going on with the GM's here?

Identify yourself a_random_player_10456

[Lazortag]

Identify yourself a_random_player_10456

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=144507#post144507

PM me or tells to leathyl

[President]

You sure are a forum wizard Giegue.

[Salty]

lol @ what the guild turned into under Durison

[Salty]

The Black Hand is the new superpower bros.

[Mountaineer]

Ok, if DA are a bunch of hackers, and we all know about it....in the words of Jason Issacs as Lucious Malfoy: "Why dont you PROVE IT"

OR hell, i'll even give YOU the easy way out...cause trolling is soo easy, but its hard to actually come up with something. You can even let the GM's do all the work. Ok, so SO far, 2 people in DA have been banned for cheating. Both caught by GMs. Now im waiting for your numbers.

[Thatguy05]

Another_random_guy trying to figure out why this guild gets punished for one person cheating and not any other raiding guilds in which one was caught cheating/training/exploting whatever.

Only thing searched under suspensions, DA is the only guild that comes up suspended as a guild, out of 50ish suspension posts..

[sobchak123]

Another_random_guy trying to figure out why this guild gets punished for one person cheating and not any other raiding guilds in which one was caught cheating/training/exploting whatever.

Only thing searched under suspensions, DA is the only guild that comes up suspended as a guild, out of 50ish suspension posts..

Virtuosos, an IB Paladin admitted that he uses Show EQ on these forums

Xzerion is the guild leader of IB. He's also a developer. He abused his developer powers to change the dynamic of a raid encounter in order to benefit his guild.

We're waiting for the guild raid suspension to be handed out at any time guys.

[M.Bison]

Ok, if DA are a bunch of hackers, and we all know about it....in the words of Jason Issacs as Lucious Malfoy: "Why dont you PROVE IT"

OR hell, i'll even give YOU the easy way out...cause trolling is soo easy, but its hard to actually come up with something. You can even let the GM's do all the work. Ok, so SO far, 2 people in DA have been banned for cheating. Both caught by GMs. Now im waiting for your numbers.

Wut? Did this make sense to anyone?

[Molitoth]

Just out of curiosity, I asked a friend in DA to check on this statistic for me since I know you guys keep pretty accurate records of raid attendance for loot council purposes...

...36% and 80% are not the same thing. Just sayin'.


Considering DA has cleared planer trash 2-3 times a day and DKP is being added up upon the hour... if you miss 1-2 days of raiding Planar trash, it can really skew the attendance percentage.

I'd say Mountaineer has been to approx 80% of the non-planar trash raids. Regardless, why is this even be discussed?

[Thatguy05]

Virtuosos, an IB Paladin admitted that he uses Show EQ on these forums

Xzerion is the guild leader of IB. He's also a developer. He abused his developer powers to change the dynamic of a raid encounter in order to benefit his guild.

We're waiting for the guild raid suspension to be handed out at any time guys.


So, your saying IB has also been banned as a whole from raiding because of one member?

OR
That since the GM/Developer is in the guild, they can get away with such things?

Also "hellfire" noted that DA got 6/7 raid mobs.. maybe the IB developers way of getting back at DA ? Something this little of one member cheating = suspending the whole guild had to be conversated about amongst the head GM's you would think.

[bluejam]

Explain to me what this "huge" upper hand is, because I'm pretty sure there isn't one besides being able to track without track.
Heard you can display loot on mobs. I don't know if that's true, but it would make clearing planes with surgical precision very appealing. Seen it before, maybe it was coincidence.

[Mountaineer]

If you actually listened to anything everyone has said in this thread...DA sux.....we have no surgical precise, even if we used hax

[thefloydian]

Lets see if any of you other guilds have the sack to keep IB from geting all the bosses this week.

YEAH MAN! LET'S SEE IF THOSE GUILDS HAVE THE SACK BRO!

[thefloydian]

Ok, if DA are a bunch of hackers, and we all know about it....in the words of Jason Issacs as Lucious Malfoy: "Why dont you PROVE IT"

OR hell, i'll even give YOU the easy way out...cause trolling is soo easy, but its hard to actually come up with something. You can even let the GM's do all the work. Ok, so SO far, 2 people in DA have been banned for cheating. Both caught by GMs. Now im waiting for your numbers.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_e0pbuNX_Cu4/Sj0E4KSf90I/AAAAAAAAAEE/AI25sQhbJOI/s320/sherlock+holmes.jpg

[Alienorg]

Trimm, I really respect your guild and like you as a player.... although this time around, a new recruit was caught using macroquest in lowerguk. It had nothing to do with anything raid related. We have many many people with druids/rangers/fiend death on the track team.

Suspending people in the guild that have done nothing but play this game without cheating is really hurting. I know most people not in DA hate DA... and there is something to be said about that. But, there are a LOT of good/nice/classy players in DA that are getting treated unfairly due to a couple bad apples that always seem to find thier way into a DA tag. Personally, I feel bad for DA leadership who have to consistantly deal with these morons.

Trust me, there is nobody that hates these cheaters MORE than the good people in DA. Our reputation is getting ruined by a bunch of douchebags who want to cheat on an 11 year old emulated game, and it's quite pathetic.

I would say that if your guild gets ban for cheating (cheating for a raid lvl encounter) then if anyone in your guild gets caught cheating (using the same program/type of cheat) in any way even if it isn't for a raid lvl encounter then yes I feel maybe the entire guild should feel the pain again.

There are always going to be bad people and they will find ways to get into good guilds but as a guild u have to try your best to prevent this. ie: making it hard to get into your guild/disbanding people in your guild that you find are doing something wrong or you will have to suffer for the faults of your members as a whole.

I'd say to the good people in DA, that maybe they should get together and make a new guild and just start over and maybe be a bit little stricter on who u let into your guild. with over 100(no clue on how many active members DA has) people and a lot of those people being new, anything is possible.

Im glad the GM's are doing something, its a start atleast.

[Slathar]

I would say that if your guild gets ban for cheating (cheating for a raid lvl encounter) then if anyone in your guild gets caught cheating (using the same program/type of cheat) in any way even if it isn't for a raid lvl encounter then yes I feel maybe the entire guild should feel the pain again.

There are always going to be bad people and they will find ways to get into good guilds but as a guild u have to try your best to prevent this. ie: making it hard to get into your guild/disbanding people in your guild that you find are doing something wrong or you will have to suffer for the faults of your members as a whole.

I'd say to the good people in DA, that maybe they should get together and make a new guild and just start over and maybe be a bit little stricter on who u let into your guild. with over 100(no clue on how many active members DA has) people and a lot of those people being new, anything is possible.

Im glad the GM's are doing something, its a start atleast.

A start to what?

[Bubbles]

Considering DA has cleared planer trash 2-3 times a day and DKP is being added up upon the hour... if you miss 1-2 days of raiding Planar trash, it can really skew the attendance percentage.

I'd say Mountaineer has been to approx 80% of the non-planar trash raids. Regardless, why is this even be discussed?

Because it adds a little content to a thread that is so desperately lacking any.

Short version: 90% of the people in the thread here (yeah, im lowballing) could never provide any proof or hard figures on the various banning and hacking insults thrown back and forth.

The second someone spouts off something that can be checked, forum detectives go apeshit and come back with infoz that give the masses something to truly bicker about.

p.s. i really enjoyed the pic of the bunny eating popcorn. bravo!

[Mountaineer]

Thats been point Bubbles hehe.

And yes, more Bunnies!!

[Ledzepp02]

Hypothetical, yet pertains to the situation:

We're poopsocking Naggy (as we were)

Random_zerg_force_applicant_07 is tagged by us to await Naggy spawn (they're not even sponsored or eligible to become a recruit yet.)

Random_zerg_force_applicant_07 binds at Naggy and decides to go to Lguk to MQ it up, with our temporary tag on. (keep in mind we don't know who the HELL this person is yet)

Random_zerg_force_applicant_07 proceeds to be a dumbfuck by getting banned for using MQ

Guild is punished for random_zerg_force_applicant_07's actions while under said temporary tag.

I fail to follow the logic in this.

*He wasn't an applicant, no, but most of us are going "who the fuck is that guy? I haven't seen him in months if at all. They don't even raid with us.*

..Something to consider

[Pheer]

maybe voice your concerns to your guild and tell them to stop zerg recruiting then?

[Supreme]

It is just a game....ffs.

[Mountaineer]

DERP DERP was not a recruit DERP DERP.

[Alienorg]

maybe perhaps keep track on who is tagged a member a bit better???
I know we disbanded our entire guild before (on this server or on live) just to clean out people that maybe we tagged at some point but aren't supposed to be members. We check who all guild is online all the time and make sure there isn't anyone that we don't know is a member. We keep a good account of our membership.
It sounds like u have a good idea of your membership as u keep Hours of raid time on them, so if u see someone online with your guild tag u can easily check if they should be a member or not, I'm just saying if you don't know who you are playing with maybe u should do a few internal audits. or get banned because some "random" guy with your guild tag does something dumb and cheats.

[Ledzepp02]

DERP DERP was not a recruit DERP DERP.

Hypothetical, yet pertains to the situation

*He wasn't an applicant, no, but most of us are going "who the fuck is that guy? I haven't seen him in months if at all. They don't even raid with us.*

Read carefully buddy =P

[Rahnza]

If all the facts presented are true true, the 1 week suspension was definitely unfair. Zerg recruiting or not, raiding guilds need to eventually find new members. Whether you're recruiting en masse or filling spot here and there, there's going to be a period of time where you consider a new member that you know nothing about. The matter of zerg recruiting is irrelevant here, you're just getting shots. IB is still recruiting members, and the same thing could easily happen to them.

There's a huge difference between using SEQ to track and kill a boss and some random doofus using MQ to solo in lguk. If you disagree, you're letting bias get in the way.

[Rahnza]

taking shots*

[President]

There's a huge difference between using SEQ to track and kill a boss and some random doofus using MQ to solo in lguk. If you disagree, you're letting bias get in the way.

Not trying to accuse or necessarily think its fair either. But if hes using it now, whose to say he hasn't used it in a boss situation in the past?

[sobchak123]

If the precedent is to suspend an entire guild from raiding for the actions of some random member that isn't even in the raid zone with his raid force, then I'd like to see other guilds get raid suspended for exploiting the Eq client in windowed mod to get up to Vox's cubby and pull her through the wall to the king room.

Or have their officers banned permanently for training temple when a rival guild is pulling a boss.

Or have their guild completely disbanded when their guild leader, a developer, actually changes a raid encounter in an attempt to help the guild he leads in game get a step up on the competition.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[x Raren x]

listen yall you all really want to know who got banned?

[Ind3]

COULD YOU GUYS STOP ARGUING AND RESTORE MY SWEET, SWEET, SWEET ASS WARRIOR I ACCIDENTALLY DELETED WHEN I WAS SHITCOCK FUCKWASTED. THANKS BROS~

[Thatguy05]

If all the facts presented are true true, the 1 week suspension was definitely unfair. Zerg recruiting or not, raiding guilds need to eventually find new members. Whether you're recruiting en masse or filling spot here and there, there's going to be a period of time where you consider a new member that you know nothing about. The matter of zerg recruiting is irrelevant here, you're just getting shots. IB is still recruiting members, and the same thing could easily happen to them.

There's a huge difference between using SEQ to track and kill a boss and some random doofus using MQ to solo in lguk. If you disagree, you're letting bias get in the way.


Thing is, IB has a GM/Dev leader, this will not happen to them

[President]

If the precedent is to suspend an entire guild from raiding for the actions of some random member that isn't even in the raid zone with his raid force, then I'd like to see other guilds get raid suspended for exploiting the Eq client in windowed mod to get up to Vox's cubby and pull her through the wall to the king room.

Or have their officers banned permanently for training temple when a rival guild is pulling a boss.

Or have their guild completely disbanded when their guild leader, a developer, actually changes a raid encounter in an attempt to help the guild he leads in game get a step up on the competition.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Someone might give a shit what you have to say if you posted with your in game name.

[Misto]

Why does everyone hate each other =(

[Mountaineer]

I love everybody! Except cheaters.

[Misto]

and yes, I don't see why an entire guild should be punished for a member using MacroQuest. If it was a raid officer or raid leader, that's understandable.

P.S. - I like turtles.

[Rahnza]

Not trying to accuse or necessarily think its fair either. But if hes using it now, whose to say he hasn't used it in a boss situation in the past?

Because I'd rather live in a society where everyone is innocent until proven guilty, instead of everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

[x Raren x]

Because I'd rather live in a society where everyone is innocent until proven guilty, instead of everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

Bro your living in Nilbog and Rogean's world right now everyone is guilty unless they say differently

[Rahnza]

I understand how things are run, just saying how they should be run.

[x Raren x]

I understand how things are run, just saying how they should be run.

Bro they dont listen to the community and thats why Kunark wont be released for another 6 months

[President]

Bro they dont listen to the community and thats why Kunark wont be released for another 6 months

?

[x Raren x]

?

Liste bro you know who is DDOSin the server right now? Yeah its me and guess what i hacked into the database and you all think they been working hard on Kunark? LOL plz they hardly touched anything the only thing they want is to pretend they are workin on Kunark so you guys donate a little bit more before they dump the server. Nilbog needs alittle bit more money to propose to Tralina.

[President]

Liste bro you know who is DDOSin the server right now? Yeah its me and guess what i hacked into the database and you all think they been working hard on Kunark? LOL plz they hardly touched anything the only thing they want is to pretend they are workin on Kunark so you guys donate a little bit more before they dump the server. Nilbog needs alittle bit more money to propose to Tralina.

??

[Kassel]

My Christmas wish is that Raren and Reiker both get perma forum banned.

Oh sweet baby Jesus please do your thing.

[x Raren x]

My Christmas wish is that Raren and Reiker both get perma forum banned.

Oh sweet baby Jesus please do your thing.

You mad you stupid fucking little punk bitch? Keep sucking on that Rogean / uthgaard cock they like guys suckin that dick because they are queers

[saucer]

A response to the people saying "why should a guild be raid-suspended for a week when a member is merely cheating in lower guk"

What you are really asking is "why should DA be suspended from raiding for a week when a member is merely cheating in lower guk".
And changing that one word, or rather adding that one letter gives you the answer. DA has a history of breaking the rules for its own benefit, to put itself, and its members, above the rest of the server. Most of us know that history, I think raren made a post awhile which hit most of the bright spots. But their actions lately have shown that their history and reputation is continuing to plague the server, and therefore action is being taken as it would be on a repeat criminal in real life: harshly.

Go into drug court sometime, you will be amazed at how fucked some of those guys get by the law for smoking weed. You will think holy crap I do that all the time, what the hell? But really its because they have a history of abuse of more serious drugs which likely led to them committing other crimes. This is basically the same situation.
When your bad reputation precedes you, you are going to be treated differently, all eyes will be on you, and you won't be given the benefit of the doubt. And rightfully so.

[Nuggie]

Your drama is good for my laughs. Keep it going!

[Cyrius]

Liste bro you know who is DDOSin the server right now? Yeah its me and guess what i hacked into the database and you all think they been working hard on Kunark? LOL plz they hardly touched anything the only thing they want is to pretend they are workin on Kunark so you guys donate a little bit more before they dump the server. Nilbog needs alittle bit more money to propose to Tralina.

And i am King Kong, currently texting from the top of the empire state building! :cool:

The day someone with an IQ below 100 can hack anything, will be the day the world ends.

[xshayla701]

You mad you stupid fucking little punk bitch? Keep sucking on that Rogean / uthgaard cock they like guys suckin that dick because they are queers

Did anyone else lol irl?

[Pheer]

raren never fails to make me lol

[Bubbles]

My Christmas wish is that Raren and Reiker both get perma forum banned.

Oh sweet baby Jesus please do your thing.

Let's not lump Reiker and Raren together, please. Reiker's done plenty of good things through the community via the forums. All Raren has ever done is continually fling poo against a wall, hoping to find some magic combination which would enable the rest of the community to even remotely care about anything he says or does.

[Ledzepp02]

All Raren has ever done is continually fling poo against a wall

http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr107/Ledzepp_wow/2002_poo_fling_monkey.jpg

[Rahnza]

My Christmas wish is that Raren and Reiker both get perma forum banned.

Oh sweet baby Jesus please do your thing.

Lol I should get forum banned for expressing my opinion that it's shitty that an entire guild is raid suspended because of some random loser using MQ in lguk?

And who the fuck are you again?

[Scrooge]

My Christmas wish is that Raren and Reiker both get perma forum banned.

Oh sweet baby Jesus please do your thing.

Funny guy :)

[Rahnza]

Scrooge I thought we were bros. Did all that time we spent in Najena mean nothing to you?

[Kassel]

Lol I should get forum banned for expressing my opinion that it's shitty that an entire guild is raid suspended because of some random loser using MQ in lguk?

And who the fuck are you again?

No your idiocy goes much deeper than this specific thread. I just think anyone who gets banned from the server for cheating (you) should GTFO off this forum. You are biased and since you no longer play here no one gives a fuck.

As for who I am, just some dude having fun on p99.

[Slathar]

No your idiocy goes much deeper than this specific thread. I just think anyone who gets banned from the server for cheating (you) should GTFO off this forum. You are biased and since you no longer play here no one gives a fuck.

As for who I am, just some dude having fun on p99.

I imagine all of this said with a horrible lisp aloud while he furiously pounds his keyboard with his sausage fingers.

[Shannacore]

Nilbog needs alittle bit more money to propose to Tralina.

Hahahahahah what.

[JayDee]

DA cheating ?

NO WAI brew

[Kassel]

is this where i say "come at me bro"? =p

[mimixownzall]

People can think they're getting away with it all they want. We have a very small development staff. I think you should know from personal experience that even though it takes time to get to, given that this is all done in spare time, that it will eventually be investigated. Rogean is a really clever developer, and I spend at least one day a week going through logs manually.

If we weren't able to catch it, you wouldn't see nearly so many angry people on the forums right now.

All I got out of that was:


We have a very small staff.

*snicker*

Ok, yeah, I'm immature =(

[Icecometus]

You are biased and since you no longer play here no one gives a fuck.



I wish this was the case but it is clear that it is pretty easy to just start over on a fresh emu account.

[Nedala]

Raren's Nerdrage is hillarious :D

[maya]

...sausage fingers.

Tasty.

[Abysis]

You wouldn't know what to do if you actually had something to cry about.


Also beer is good.

[azeth]

you're all having a good time jerkin each other off in this thread huh?

[Abysis]

Funniest part is I don't think anyone on here actually plays p99.

[Yak]

What makes you think they weren't?

Stop talking about things you have no idea about.

I agree with you Rogean! I notice a lot of people post bull shit on these forums. It seems that most of the time there is no story or proof, just pure bull shit! It would be retarded to just start banning people for no reason.

[Swishahouse]

you're all having a good time jerkin each other off in this thread huh?

i nutted by page 3 just watching!

[Omnimorph]

i nutted by page 3 just watching!

Same ol' swisha!

[Hollee]

I'm a relatively new member to <Dark Ascension>, as my trial period has just completed last week, and I've been online both times that we got informed of our raid suspension. Both in guild and on ventrilo is sudden confusion and immediate questions. No one knows what happened, and no one knows who is responsible. We wait to see what the officers find out through speaking with the GMs that issued the suspension.

There has been a lot of theories and conjecture thrown around this forum. True, it is Rants and Flames, but that doesn't mean people can't be intelligent and informed when making statements.

Personally, I'm not a forum troll. I very rarely come to these boards, but when things like this happen, I can't help but hear guildmates commenting on the threads and I get curious to see what is being said. That being said, I'd like to touch on a few things that were mentioned in this thread, and the one started by Raren.

For starters: The issue that Durison is aware of this cheating and surrounds himself with a core circle that do the same and are aware. For the most part, Durison doesn't even make all the calls in the guild. Often times, he's not even on the raids we're doing. Depending on the hour of day or interest of the guild, our raids are lead by differing officers or experienced members and sometimes Durison will join us after it's begun. He may be the guild leader, but I have seen nothing that points toward him doing anything or condoning anything to do with cheating. All of our leadership is actually rather adamant to the contrary (yes Koota included).

This is not to say they are perfectly innocent. I can't claim that. Then again, I also can't claim that my immediate family is perfectly innocent either. Human beings are rather adept at keeping unwanted information from one another regardless of the medium.

The issue that staying tagged to <Dark Ascension> is condoning cheating in general. This is nonsense. I, myself, have no idea how third party programs even work (though Abacab gave me an insightful glimpse on Koota's flame thread). That being said, I don't support it in any way. Why do I stay tagged in <Dark Ascension>? Likely the same reason you would stay tagged in your guilds if someone was caught duping/cheating/training/etc in yours. Because despite that one person, the rest of the people in the guild are phenominal people to hang out and raid with and the bad apple has been removed, so there's no need to leave.

The issue that we don't police/screen our members. This is ridiculously unfounded. As has been addressed on this forum in multiple people's posts, even the smallest guild can allow a dishonest person membership. There is no fool-proof method to screen. And the suggestion that we don't police is ludicrous as we haven't any means to. One must first detect the dishonesty to be able to address it, no?

The issue that past actions state that <Dark Ascension> are known cheaters. Guess what. The past is exactly that. As stated above, I'm relatively new to the guild, and I'm not privvy to this 'sordid' history of the guild. Do you know why I don't bother looking into it? Because it doesn't matter. What matters is how the guild is handled presently, and what I see is a well-tuned group of people that work damn hard to accomplish all that we do. We have a team of trackers that spend countless hours watching for raid targets to spawn. And no, I'm not talking about Koota. I'm talking about our Bards, Druids, Rangers who sit there for countless hours hitting the "track" button. Or our Monks, Necromancers, or Shadowknights who FD on target spawn points to watch physically to see the mob. I'm talking about people like Jayko who will sit endlessly just waiting to DIE in order to know the target has spawned.

Everyone's history holds skeletons in the closet. Look at your own, personally, and tell me you don't have a single thing that you'd rather was left forgotten. It's the past. Forget it.

"But you're still cheating!" will be the response, I'm sure. To pre-empt that, let me state that though individuals are being caught cheating, they are acting independently from the wishes, knowledge, and rule set of this guild and if we had had the means to somehow know what they were doing, they would have been removed without hesitation.

You can call me a blind sheep following the herd if you wish. You can call me ill-informed if that'll satisfy you. None of it will change the fact that these are good people. I have never once seen or heard of a <Dark Ascension> member acting as if they were superior to anyone else on the server or behaving as if they were entitlted. We all work hard to manage what we have accomplished on the server, and to have it tossed aside for foolish reasons is frustrating, so naturally some tempers will flare. Just try to ignore the h8.

My name is Lorelae D`Clerizard, and I'm a proud member of <Dark Ascension>. Regardless of whatever sordid past history the guild might have, the members of it now are a great group of people, and I will stay tagged until this guild and continue to be the person I am. If you want to hate on me for that, by all means, just don't be too disappointed if I don't rise to the occasion.


...keep letting zerg force recruits and an inner circle of cheaters surrounding durison get you suspended from raiding...
You're pretty naive if you don't think DA leadership was aware of koota's SEQ use. Durison is one of the shadiest guildleaders I've ever seen.
...make assumptions with 0 evidence all you want...

Isn't that exactly what everyone on this forum is doing?


...Jesus Christ if you won't police your own members someone has to...

If you would kindly supply us with the means, we will happily employ them. As of right now, we don't have a system to detect 3rd party programs installed onto our members computers.


...You guys harbor cheaters and griefers...
...We have known SEQ users? Ummm from everything I can tell it's 1 person...

No one is innocent, it seems.


...Your guild has a history of rampantly breaking rules, training, ksing, and cheating...

Which sounds exactly like what is also said about <Inglorious Basterds>. Though if you stop to talk to anyone about the situation, you'll hear a different perspective from the other side. Visions are slanted through angry eyes.


Can't possible believe an alt in guk got a whole guild raid banned. Sorry.. don't believe it.

Neither do we.


There are always going to be bad people and they will find ways to get into good guilds but as a guild u have to try your best to prevent this. ie: making it hard to get into your guild/disbanding people in your guild that you find are doing something wrong or you will have to suffer for the faults of your members as a whole

The current application process has several steps to it and is a minimum of one month in duration with certain requirements that need to be met before the application is approved for membership. If this isn't "hard" I don't know what is.

As for disbanding people that we find are doing something wrong... well, we need to be able to find that first, don't we? These comments are based on the fact that the guild as a whole is in the know regarding who is doing what at all times. Can anyone tell me what your immediate family is doing at all times? That's a maximum of 10 people to keep track of... surely it can't be that hard to know where they are and what they're doing at every hour, right?


...However, when someone uses ShowEQ to track a mob (lets say Cazic Thule) when they otherwise shouldn't be able to gives the entire guild an unfair advantage over another. Raider X, Y and Z receive loot that might not have been possible without the actions of the cheating player. In this case, I believe the entire guild being punished is justified.

We fully agree with this exact sentiment as well, which is why we accepted the punishment alloted to us when it was one of our officers caught using a 3rd party program to track for a raid target. Personally, I also think that if we HAD gotten said target as a result, it would have been fair to revoke the loot received from the kill as well.


...Do you honestly think DA leadership has no idea what's going on?...

Yes, I honestly believe DA leadership has no idea what's going on, because I listen to them on ventrilo when things like this happen and they are just as flabbergasted as the rest of us.


lol @ how DA members are defying all claims against its honor with supposed ignorance...

It's not 'supposed' at all. Some of us just don't care about the past. The past doesn't effect the present, it just leads us to it. My mother says, "There are no mistakes, just learning experiences." There *is* a reason for rehabilitation in prison, you know... because once an offender, doesn't mean always an offender.

...their actions lately have shown that their history and reputation is continuing to plague the server...

Only because people don't seem able to move on and feel the need to dredge up the past of a few people. The Nazi's destroyed countless lives, but we don't blame all Germans. I'm not saying what happened was right, but I am saying that what happened wasn't the actions of the whole, so why hold the whole accountable?

[Rahnza]

no one's reading that.

[Hollee]

(Sorry about the double post, seems the guild names got cut out due to the brackets for some reason, and can't EDIT!)


I'm a relatively new member to Dark Ascension, as my trial period has just completed last week, and I've been online both times that we got informed of our raid suspension. Both in guild and on ventrilo is sudden confusion and immediate questions. No one knows what happened, and no one knows who is responsible. We wait to see what the officers find out through speaking with the GMs that issued the suspension.

There has been a lot of theories and conjecture thrown around this forum. True, it is Rants and Flames, but that doesn't mean people can't be intelligent and informed when making statements.

Personally, I'm not a forum troll. I very rarely come to these boards, but when things like this happen, I can't help but hear guildmates commenting on the threads and I get curious to see what is being said. That being said, I'd like to touch on a few things that were mentioned in this thread, and the one started by Raren.

For starters: The issue that Durison is aware of this cheating and surrounds himself with a core circle that do the same and are aware. For the most part, Durison doesn't even make all the calls in the guild. Often times, he's not even on the raids we're doing. Depending on the hour of day or interest of the guild, our raids are lead by differing officers or experienced members and sometimes Durison will join us after it's begun. He may be the guild leader, but I have seen nothing that points toward him doing anything or condoning anything to do with cheating. All of our leadership is actually rather adamant to the contrary (yes Koota included).

This is not to say they are perfectly innocent. I can't claim that. Then again, I also can't claim that my immediate family is perfectly innocent either. Human beings are rather adept at keeping unwanted information from one another regardless of the medium.

The issue that staying tagged to Dark Ascension is condoning cheating in general. This is nonsense. I, myself, have no idea how third party programs even work (though Abacab gave me an insightful glimpse on Koota's flame thread). That being said, I don't support it in any way. Why do I stay tagged in <Dark Ascension>? Likely the same reason you would stay tagged in your guilds if someone was caught duping/cheating/training/etc in yours. Because despite that one person, the rest of the people in the guild are phenominal people to hang out and raid with and the bad apple has been removed, so there's no need to leave.

The issue that we don't police/screen our members. This is ridiculously unfounded. As has been addressed on this forum in multiple people's posts, even the smallest guild can allow a dishonest person membership. There is no fool-proof method to screen. And the suggestion that we don't police is ludicrous as we haven't any means to. One must first detect the dishonesty to be able to address it, no?

The issue that past actions state that Dark Ascension are known cheaters. Guess what. The past is exactly that. As stated above, I'm relatively new to the guild, and I'm not privvy to this 'sordid' history of the guild. Do you know why I don't bother looking into it? Because it doesn't matter. What matters is how the guild is handled presently, and what I see is a well-tuned group of people that work damn hard to accomplish all that we do. We have a team of trackers that spend countless hours watching for raid targets to spawn. And no, I'm not talking about Koota. I'm talking about our Bards, Druids, Rangers who sit there for countless hours hitting the "track" button. Or our Monks, Necromancers, or Shadowknights who FD on target spawn points to watch physically to see the mob. I'm talking about people like Jayko who will sit endlessly just waiting to DIE in order to know the target has spawned.

Everyone's history holds skeletons in the closet. Look at your own, personally, and tell me you don't have a single thing that you'd rather was left forgotten. It's the past. Forget it.

"But you're still cheating!" will be the response, I'm sure. To pre-empt that, let me state that though individuals are being caught cheating, they are acting independently from the wishes, knowledge, and rule set of this guild and if we had had the means to somehow know what they were doing, they would have been removed without hesitation.

You can call me a blind sheep following the herd if you wish. You can call me ill-informed if that'll satisfy you. None of it will change the fact that these are good people. I have never once seen or heard of a Dark Ascension member acting as if they were superior to anyone else on the server or behaving as if they were entitlted. We all work hard to manage what we have accomplished on the server, and to have it tossed aside for foolish reasons is frustrating, so naturally some tempers will flare. Just try to ignore the h8.

My name is Lorelae D`Clerizard, and I'm a proud member of Dark Ascension. Regardless of whatever sordid past history the guild might have, the members of it now are a great group of people, and I will stay tagged until this guild and continue to be the person I am. If you want to hate on me for that, by all means, just don't be too disappointed if I don't rise to the occasion.


...keep letting zerg force recruits and an inner circle of cheaters surrounding durison get you suspended from raiding...
You're pretty naive if you don't think DA leadership was aware of koota's SEQ use. Durison is one of the shadiest guildleaders I've ever seen.
...make assumptions with 0 evidence all you want...

Isn't that exactly what everyone on this forum is doing?


...Jesus Christ if you won't police your own members someone has to...

If you would kindly supply us with the means, we will happily employ them. As of right now, we don't have a system to detect 3rd party programs installed onto our members computers.


...You guys harbor cheaters and griefers...
...We have known SEQ users? Ummm from everything I can tell it's 1 person...

No one is innocent, it seems.


...Your guild has a history of rampantly breaking rules, training, ksing, and cheating...

Which sounds exactly like what is also said about Inglorious Basterds. Though if you stop to talk to anyone about the situation, you'll hear a different perspective from the other side. Visions are slanted through angry eyes.


Can't possible believe an alt in guk got a whole guild raid banned. Sorry.. don't believe it.

Neither do we.


There are always going to be bad people and they will find ways to get into good guilds but as a guild u have to try your best to prevent this. ie: making it hard to get into your guild/disbanding people in your guild that you find are doing something wrong or you will have to suffer for the faults of your members as a whole

The current application process has several steps to it and is a minimum of one month in duration with certain requirements that need to be met before the application is approved for membership. If this isn't "hard" I don't know what is.

As for disbanding people that we find are doing something wrong... well, we need to be able to find that first, don't we? These comments are based on the fact that the guild as a whole is in the know regarding who is doing what at all times. Can anyone tell me what your immediate family is doing at all times? That's a maximum of 10 people to keep track of... surely it can't be that hard to know where they are and what they're doing at every hour, right?


...However, when someone uses ShowEQ to track a mob (lets say Cazic Thule) when they otherwise shouldn't be able to gives the entire guild an unfair advantage over another. Raider X, Y and Z receive loot that might not have been possible without the actions of the cheating player. In this case, I believe the entire guild being punished is justified.

We fully agree with this exact sentiment as well, which is why we accepted the punishment alloted to us when it was one of our officers caught using a 3rd party program to track for a raid target. Personally, I also think that if we HAD gotten said target as a result, it would have been fair to revoke the loot received from the kill as well.


...Do you honestly think DA leadership has no idea what's going on?...

Yes, I honestly believe DA leadership has no idea what's going on, because I listen to them on ventrilo when things like this happen and they are just as flabbergasted as the rest of us.


lol @ how DA members are defying all claims against its honor with supposed ignorance...

It's not 'supposed' at all. Some of us just don't care about the past. The past doesn't effect the present, it just leads us to it. My mother says, "There are no mistakes, just learning experiences." There *is* a reason for rehabilitation in prison, you know... because once an offender, doesn't mean always an offender.

...their actions lately have shown that their history and reputation is continuing to plague the server...

Only because people don't seem able to move on and feel the need to dredge up the past of a few people. The Nazi's destroyed countless lives, but we don't blame all Germans. I'm not saying what happened was right, but I am saying that what happened wasn't the actions of the whole, so why hold the whole accountable?

[Massive Marc]

^^^
My eyes !!!! :(

[Kassel]

You had me hollee right until you brough up Nazi's

[thefloydian]

I'm talking about our Bards, Druids, Rangers who sit there for countless hours hitting the "track" button. Or our Monks, Necromancers, or Shadowknights who FD on target spawn points to watch physically to see the mob. I'm talking about people like Jayko who will sit endlessly just waiting to DIE in order to know the target has spawned.

we are doomed as a species

[Pheer]

Hollee did you really just double post the same wallof text to add "DA" in a couple places?

And lol at someone whos been in DA for maybe a month tops thinking they "know" their guildmates. Defend them all you want but most of the IB members posting against you guys in these threads have had more experience with Durison and his bullshit than you and we've never even been in his guild. Do you really think he'd just openly say "oh im not surprised, I knew that guy was using showeq" on vent when the raid suspension landed?

Also I fucking lolled at you acting like durison would have instantly removed anyone he knew was cheating when hes already harbored and openly used the services of dupers and cheaters, then when they got caught severed ties with them and acted like he didnt know despite all the extra AoNs and such that started floating around.

When IB was having troubles and needed to rebuild its membership he was headhunting our members by promising them raid loot over longstanding members of DA if they decided to come over there. I personally know of at least two people that were promised the next CoF's RBB's or AoN's that dropped if they made the switch. You can believe in your guild leadership's honesty and integrity all you want but theres been plenty in the past since before you were here that makes us feel differently.

[Mountaineer]

Funny how everyone says IB has a history of this or that and never provides any proof, then when someone points that out they start screaming about xzerion being some evil mastermind covering it all up.

Funny how you keep screaming that Durison knows about all these cheaters and endorses them but YOU have no proof.

Or better yet. Im SURE you have proof. You just won't share it with us

[Misto]

lol I've never seen Durison create a problem with anyone, or any officer in DA for that matter. Dunno how much cheeba pheers been smokin' =)

[Zereh]

obv solution: How about having someone tagged as DA with GM status as well? That would level out the playing field just a tad, don't you think? Maybe a little objectivity would make some of the bullshit go away.

So yeah, where do I sign up?

[President]

obv solution: How about having someone tagged as DA with GM status as well? That would level out the playing field just a tad, don't you think? Maybe a little objectivity would make some of the bullshit go away.

So yeah, where do I sign up?

Or.. Remove variances & simulate patch days - PROBLEMS SOLVED!

[Trimm]

obv solution: How about having someone tagged as DA with GM status as well?

Count us in too. I nominate Ninik.

[Ponden]

Count us in too. I nominate Ninik.

Ninik is probably the greatest person on the server.

[Thatguy05]

obv solution: How about having someone tagged as DA with GM status as well? That would level out the playing field just a tad, don't you think? Maybe a little objectivity would make some of the bullshit go away.

So yeah, where do I sign up?

Sorry, all the current GM's are guilded in IB.

[Pheer]

Funny how you keep screaming that Durison knows about all these cheaters and endorses them but YOU have no proof.

Or better yet. Im SURE you have proof. You just won't share it with us

So DA members are the only ones allowed to make claims without proof? Okay cool

[Pheer]

So you don't have any then? Okay cool

hiding on an alt account? okay then cool

[Ronas]

Everyone being cool today? okey then cool

[Koota]

What's going on in here? D:

[Lazortag]

I have no stake in this either way, but I think that from now on offending guilds should be punished with mandatory community service, ie, they should get banned from the main server until they play 60+ hours on the Kunark test server testing bugs.

[Hollee]

Hollee did you really just double post the same wallof text to add "DA" in a couple places?

And IB somewhere else. Yes.

And lol at someone whos been in DA for maybe a month tops thinking they "know" their guildmates. Defend them all you want but most of the IB members posting against you guys in these threads have had more experience with Durison and his bullshit than you and we've never even been in his guild. Do you really think he'd just openly say "oh im not surprised, I knew that guy was using showeq" on vent when the raid suspension landed?

Also I fucking lolled at you acting like durison would have instantly removed anyone he knew was cheating when hes already harbored and openly used the services of dupers and cheaters, then when they got caught severed ties with them and acted like he didnt know despite all the extra AoNs and such that started floating around.

When IB was having troubles and needed to rebuild its membership he was headhunting our members by promising them raid loot over longstanding members of DA if they decided to come over there. I personally know of at least two people that were promised the next CoF's RBB's or AoN's that dropped if they made the switch. You can believe in your guild leadership's honesty and integrity all you want but theres been plenty in the past since before you were here that makes us feel differently.

What you fail to notice about my post, Pheer, is that I don't care what's been done in the past. It's simply that, the past. You claim as much when referring to Virtuosos' SEQ use. It's the past. I don't care. The only thing I have to say to Virtuosos is that he should be a bard, not a paladin, with a name like that. :)

If you want DA to stop siting Virtuosos' "known" SEQ use in the past, then you need to stop throwing DA's reputation from the past into your own arguements. Hypocrisy doesn't benefit anyone.

I'm one of the more even-headed people you might speak with. Yes, there are DA members that hate IB with the white hot passion of a thousand suns. Yes, there are IB members that feel the same about DA. Doesn't matter to me, that's their opinion, not mine.

I'm more than happy to carry on a conversation with them as much as I am with us. I don't have to throw accusations back and forth, I can carry on a civilized exchange. I actually have a friend in IB that I talk to whenever drama like this hits and we both just shake our heads and roll our eyes.

Let the past die, folks, and just deal with what is happening now and that being said, what's happening now is the action of individuals, and not the majority. DA has been very adamant in all mediums about 'don't cheat'. I don't know which core people you think are the cheaters, but every officer I've seen and spoken with is a damn fine player and well respected (some of them are a little stranger than others, but that's neither here nor there).

This will be my last response on the RnF forum in this thread. If you feel like discussing this further, feel free to message me in game: Lorelae.

Cheers. :)

[Pheer]

And IB somewhere else. Yes.



What you fail to notice about my post, Pheer, is that I don't care what's been done in the past. It's simply that, the past. You claim as much when referring to Virtuosos' SEQ use. It's the past. I don't care. The only thing I have to say to Virtuosos is that he should be a bard, not a paladin, with a name like that. :)

If you want DA to stop siting Virtuosos' "known" SEQ use in the past, then you need to stop throwing DA's reputation from the past into your own arguements. Hypocrisy doesn't benefit anyone.

I'm one of the more even-headed people you might speak with. Yes, there are DA members that hate IB with the white hot passion of a thousand suns. Yes, there are IB members that feel the same about DA. Doesn't matter to me, that's their opinion, not mine.

I'm more than happy to carry on a conversation with them as much as I am with us. I don't have to throw accusations back and forth, I can carry on a civilized exchange. I actually have a friend in IB that I talk to whenever drama like this hits and we both just shake our heads and roll our eyes.

Let the past die, folks, and just deal with what is happening now and that being said, what's happening now is the action of individuals, and not the majority. DA has been very adamant in all mediums about 'don't cheat'. I don't know which core people you think are the cheaters, but every officer I've seen and spoken with is a damn fine player and well respected (some of them are a little stranger than others, but that's neither here nor there).

This will be my last response on the RnF forum in this thread. If you feel like discussing this further, feel free to message me in game: Lorelae.

Cheers. :)

The difference is virtuosos admitted it, apologized, and promised it wouldn't happen again. Meanwhile DA and durison refuse to admit to any wrongdoing whatsoever despite being caught red handed multiple times.

[Zereh]

The difference is virtuosos admitted it, apologized, and promised it wouldn't happen again. Meanwhile DA and durison refuse to admit to any wrongdoing whatsoever despite being caught red handed multiple times.

No, love. The difference is that ~rules~ are only used to punish people who aren't a part of your guild.

I bet Koota would promise never to do it again. Let's give him a 2nd chance too!

[skulldudes]

how do these threads go on for so long when it's basically a bunch of dudes making the same handful of arguments over and over again

[Massive Marc]

"You let that guy play with your children ?"
"Yes"
"But he went to jail for child molestation"
"Its OK, It was in the past"

[purist]

child molestation is obvi morally equivalent using a SEQ on project 99

[Massive Marc]

child molestation is obvi morally equivalent using a SEQ on project 99

My point was: claiming that "bad stuff" happened in the past, doesn't mean it wont happen again.

[Hasbinbad]

Or.. Remove variances & simulate patch days - PROBLEMS SOLVED!
Damnit President, quit spouting your SENSE and making me AGREE with you. WTF.

[Hasbinbad]

how do these threads go on for so long when it's basically a bunch of dudes making the same handful of arguments over and over again
Why are you so bent out of shape about people arguing over and over on the forum for an EMU of a 10 year old game???


Gosh.

[Jayko]

First: Hasbin, your signature is amazing.

Second: Let's not pretend that IB and DA would just get along if we had simulated patch days. We'd still randomly train the shit out of each other. We'd both continue to do stupid shit like pull Vox to zone-in, train half of Hate in circles so we can engage Innoruuk, train the entire temple in Fear and see if we can DPS zerg CT down before it comes back, and see which guild can leapfrog-engage Naggy with the biggest FG train and still live. Did I forget a mob? Oh wait, yep, have monk on monk train wars with trash mobs to block Draco pull lanes. No, I didn't forget about Maestro, it's simply that no one cares. The only difference with the simulated patch days is that it would at least limit the douchebaggery (Rogean's term, not mine!) to one day a week.

The problem with this server is the player base, not the rules. We have shown ourselves quite capable of fagging up the server and making everyone miserable regardless of what the rules happen to be. As you well know, some of us (probably not the screaming idiots with 100+ R&F post count and the anon accounts with less than 10) think it's absolutely freaking hilarious. Rest assured; the comedy will continue indefinitely.

-Jayko
50 Shaman, Dark Ascension

[Exxon]

First: Hasbin, your signature is amazing.

Second: Let's not pretend that IB and DA would just get along if we had simulated patch days. We'd still randomly train the shit out of each other. We'd both continue to do stupid shit like pull Vox to zone-in, train half of Hate in circles so we can engage Innoruuk, train the entire temple in Fear and see if we can DPS zerg CT down before it comes back, and see which guild can leapfrog-engage Naggy with the biggest FG train and still live. Did I forget a mob? Oh wait, yep, have monk on monk train wars with trash mobs to block Draco pull lanes. No, I didn't forget about Maestro, it's simply that no one cares. The only difference with the simulated patch days is that it would at least limit the douchebaggery (Rogean's term, not mine!) to one day a week.

The problem with this server is the player base, not the rules. We have shown ourselves quite capable of fagging up the server and making everyone miserable regardless of what the rules happen to be. As you well know, some of us (probably not the screaming idiots with 100+ R&F post count and the anon accounts with less than 10) think it's absolutely freaking hilarious. Rest assured; the comedy will continue indefinitely.

-Jayko
50 Shaman, Dark Ascension
^

[girth]

First: Hasbin, your signature is amazing.

Second: Let's not pretend that IB and DA would just get along if we had simulated patch days. We'd still randomly train the shit out of each other. We'd both continue to do stupid shit like pull Vox to zone-in, train half of Hate in circles so we can engage Innoruuk, train the entire temple in Fear and see if we can DPS zerg CT down before it comes back, and see which guild can leapfrog-engage Naggy with the biggest FG train and still live. Did I forget a mob? Oh wait, yep, have monk on monk train wars with trash mobs to block Draco pull lanes. No, I didn't forget about Maestro, it's simply that no one cares. The only difference with the simulated patch days is that it would at least limit the douchebaggery (Rogean's term, not mine!) to one day a week.

The problem with this server is the player base, not the rules. We have shown ourselves quite capable of fagging up the server and making everyone miserable regardless of what the rules happen to be. As you well know, some of us (probably not the screaming idiots with 100+ R&F post count and the anon accounts with less than 10) think it's absolutely freaking hilarious. Rest assured; the comedy will continue indefinitely.

-Jayko
50 Shaman, Dark Ascension

Hard to get along with cheaters. ;)

[William_Munny15]

So DA members are the only ones allowed to make claims without proof? Okay cool

Hopefully you know that coming on here everyday saying PROVE IT doesn't make you look innocent... in the slightest, just a tip.

[Daymar]

.

[Jayko]

Come now Girth, half of those things I posted have been done or attempted by both guilds. IB's Vox to zone-line thing was both novel and hilarious to watch as I was trying to invis to cubby and Vox literally fucking stepped on me. The third party nonsense has absolutely nothing to do with the absolutely ridiculous tactics that we use on a daily basis to compete with one another that are just borderline legal. Enjoy your quiet week, because we both know we'll be right back at it once the suspensions over.

As for the cheating, I'm not a tinfoil hat wearing MFer that swears on every holy book that Tubban must have been being played by someone other than him. He'd been in DA since before I joined, but I don't think I ever heard the dude say a word in VOIP. Don't know the guy well enough to vouch that he wasn't using that crap the whole time, though I certainly didn't see any indications of it. Thought I knew Koota well enough that I would have vouched for him, especially because his posts in our forums were pretty vehemently anti-cheating.

I'm not in an uproar over the whole raid suspension thing, because frankly I don't mind if they set a hard-line on cheating/hacking. I would, however, say that if you're willing to personally vouch for the behavior of every single member in your now rather size-able guild you're either A.) incredibly naive or B.) downright disingenuous.

-Jayko

[Daymar]

Action is being taken as it would be on a repeat criminal in real life: harshly.

When your bad reputation precedes you, you are going to be treated differently, all eyes will be on you, and you won't be given the benefit of the doubt. And rightfully so.

How were these missed?

[skulldudes]

Why are you so bent out of shape about people arguing over and over on the forum for an EMU of a 10 year old game???


Gosh.
you are mistaken, my good man. i've no contortion in my shape, round as it may be.

[Loke]

obv solution: How about having someone tagged as DA with GM status as well? That would level out the playing field just a tad, don't you think? Maybe a little objectivity would make some of the bullshit go away.

So yeah, where do I sign up?

It astounds me that people still don't understand the difference between "GM" and "Developer" despite it constantly being discussed in threads like this.

Xzerion is a DEVELOPER, not a GM. There is a difference. As far as that goes - I whole-heartedly encourage anyone in DA (or any guild for that matter) with the knowledge to be a developer to step up and apply to do so. The more developers we have, the faster bugs get fixed and new content is released.

[enzie]

Hopefully you know that coming on here everyday saying PROVE IT doesn't make you look innocent... in the slightest, just a tip.
PROVE IT!



:D

[quido]

I wish I was still in your sig, hasbin =( =( =(

[Kruel]

The difference is virtuosos admitted it, apologized, and promised it wouldn't happen again. .

Well i feel better knowing he apologised. Didnt someone just say cheating in EQ is similiar to molestation in RL?

As long as he promised it wouldnt happen again i feel a great sence of relief.

Any truth that hobby is Virt?

[Harrison]

DA are still massive pieces of shit too pussy to compete without poopsocking AND cheating? Nowai!

Next, you'll try to tell me they train when they're losing a race to a mob or that they steal pulls when clearing trash for loot.

Pfft, I don't believe it.

[azeth]

^ thanks Harry for getting the retard out of your system. Carry on fapping to year-old screenshots of when you were relevant.

you silly, silly, bitch.

[azeth]

itt: all yall iz bitches and per usual im a dime 'n fresh2death

[fefifofum]

The difference is virtuosos admitted it, apologized, and promised it wouldn't happen again. Meanwhile DA and durison refuse to admit to any wrongdoing whatsoever despite being caught red handed multiple times.

Hrmm.. How about Durison really doesn't know a fucking thing about it! You guys are fucking retarded. It really isn't that hard to believe that SOME(ONE) used Marcoquest in the guild and others didn't know about it.

[fefifofum]

It astounds me that people still don't understand the difference between "GM" and "Developer" despite it constantly being discussed in threads like this.

Xzerion is a DEVELOPER, not a GM. There is a difference. As far as that goes - I whole-heartedly encourage anyone in DA (or any guild for that matter) with the knowledge to be a developer to step up and apply to do so. The more developers we have, the faster bugs get fixed and new content is released.

Oh.. LOL Xzerion is a DEVELOPER, we all know that first hand.. You guys got tired of losing Lady Vox to us, so Xzerion made an icy terror path.. =D GG guys. Oh yeah and thanks for pulling Lady Vox into the king room to kill her faggots.

[Crone]

I've never heard Fefi cuss before! :O

[spok]

I think Uth needs to make some Shemad Brew

[Loke]

Oh.. LOL Xzerion is a DEVELOPER, we all know that first hand.. You guys got tired of losing Lady Vox to us, so Xzerion made an icy terror path.. =D GG guys. Oh yeah and thanks for pulling Lady Vox into the king room to kill her faggots.

Fefi, I've never really had a problem with you, but you calling anyone out in regard to EQ is absolutely hilarious. I could 2 box a druid while at the same time pulling and probably contribute as much as you do to raids.

I'll say it again (and bold it for emphasis), I fully support and encourage any member of DA to step up and help out with the development of this project like Xz does. You guys keep complaining about how he is a dev, yet at the same time complain that Kunark isn't out yet. I know for a fact that there are at least a few members in DA with the knowledge to do this. You guys have just as much opportunity as anyone else to contribute to this project, but clearly you'd rather just attack Xz and continue contributing nothing - because it's way easier to point fingers and complain.

[fefifofum]

Fefi, <B>I've never really had a problem with you</B>,

Funny cause I can't say the same about you.. From day one since you joined the guild I wanted to punch your fake ass face in. And having to listen to you talk in Vent/TS3/Mumble made me want to throw my monitor at your mouth.. "Umm... Uh..." time passes by "Umm... Uh... Guyths"

but you calling anyone out in regard to EQ is absolutely hilarious.

Lets all sit in a circle have a laugh guys because I find it pretty hilarious myself.

I <b>could 2 box a druid </b>while at the same time pulling and probably contribute as much as you do to raids.

That probably was what you were doing because lets be honest you arent that great of a monk.

[Loke]

That probably was what you were doing because lets be honest you arent that great of a monk.

Good enough for your husband to promote to monk class leader and officer of the guild. :)

Is someone cranky?

[fefifofum]

Good enough for your husband to promote to monk class leader and officer of the guild. :)

Is someone cranky?

That was a mistake on his part, we all know that. He even admitted he knew you weren't a good monk.

I told Durison that he needed to guild remove your ass.

[Loke]

That was a mistake on his part, we all know that. He even admitted he knew you weren't a good monk.

I told Durison that he needed to guild remove your ass.

In that case, I'm glad I could save him the trouble by leaving! Haha.

It's cute how everyone in DA who was pissed at me for leaving is now pulling that dumped girlfriend act. "I'm glad he dumped me!", or "I deserve so much better!" or how about "He wasn't good for me in the first place, I can see that so clearly now!"

It's cool, the pain will go away eventually. Keep your chin up and show the world that brace face for yours!

[fefifofum]

In that case, I'm glad I could save him the trouble by leaving! Haha.

You left because he took you officer tag away. Its like crying because you got demoted who in there right mind would want to stay in a guild that took that away it is like a punch in the face.

[Durison]

Loke I am tired of you boosting your ego with these post.

Bottom line is, we needed a monk to step up at the time as there was no one, and I tasked you the job. You didn't really get much done.

As far as being an officer of DA, there wasn't much getting accomplished.

I recieved tells like "why is Loke an officer" "what does he even do?" "why is he not pulling and talking to an IB member?" "why did he just train the NE corner with 8 mobs?"

So, after we decided that we did not need you anymore, I figured the best solution was to take all your ideas/suggestions and not acknowledge them. I remember saying "nothing was getting done", and did not promote any of your awsome ideas. You did what we all wanted. You "resigned" and joined Inglorious Basterds. Probably when the guild took a turn for the best. I remember IB falling apart shortly after that, and DA owning content for the next 3 months. We'll be back to stomp your faces next week.

These rants, flames, opinions have no bearing on our success.

[Loke]

You left because he took you officer tag away. Its like crying because you got demoted who in there right mind would want to stay in a guild that took that away it is like a punch in the face.

/sigh, do I need to post that screen shot again of the conversation where I resigned as officer and left the guild? I thought we already covered this.

Well, keep rocking this revisionist history, whatever you guys have to do to feel good about the whole thing. I have to go to a study group for a final tomorrow - so feel free to take your time in making up your next reply. I'll try to check back in in a couple of hours and see what you've come up with.

In parting I'd like to leave you with this little factoid concerning IB and DA.

FULL MEMBERS who have attended a raid in the past 30 days:
DA : Over 140
IB: 51

Have a nice day!

[fefifofum]

screaming for attention

that sir is what you are doing!

[Loke]

Oh, before I step out the door...

Unfortuneately. ALTS. Holiday's.

That is all.

[Seaweedpimp]

I'm sure IB would sacrifice a toon over to me, just to watch you get facerolled right off the server. We can even have the GM's enforce this shit, if you lose you forfeit your guild, your characters, your accounts.

Again, if you're so awesome and confident in your ability to smash mobs in a bluebie PvE, then let's go PvP bro.

Gotta have your own char bro.

[Winobot]

Man wars weren't even fun in pvp until they got that crunchworthy disc which raped with a 2her.

[Shannacore]

Fefi, I've never really had a problem with you, but you calling anyone out in regard to EQ is absolutely hilarious. I could 2 box a druid while at the same time pulling and probably contribute as much as you do to raids.


Hahaha ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

[Zenlina]

Funny cause I can't say the same about you.. From day one since you joined the guild I wanted to punch your fake ass face in. And having to listen to you talk in Vent/TS3/Mumble made me want to throw my monitor at your mouth.. "Umm... Uh..." time passes by "Umm... Uh... Guyths"


I am with fefi on this. Ironically it was durison that said you were cool. I guess made him eat his own words now cause the rest of us was right on our judgement of you. So glad you left on your own

[spok]

In parting I'd like to leave you with this little factoid concerning IB and DA.

FULL MEMBERS who have attended a raid in the past 30 days:
DA : Over 140
IB: 51

Have a nice day!

Sounds like DA is having many nice days with a strong following.

Did you just eat your own words on that post?

[Salty]

As far as being an officer of DA, there wasn't much getting accomplished.


Not everyone has the power of being a cliquey pal like you Durison.

The big thing with you is you talk, A LOT. I've never received so much spam about people's personal issues in a guild until I was in it with you.


Now you have a shitton of members, hows Spiroc lord, bees, isle 7, and eye?

Looks like you aren't getting much done.

Until you slay something that IB doesn't, you are just some fag with a horde.

Loke is good people, you are not. May need to tell Fef to hold back on cybering Eternal for a bit so you guys can get your act together in Sky.

[Pheer]

fefi and durison were made for eachother

[Starklen]

Her myspace page suggested she was bisexual so that seems undecided.

[Otto]

Not everyone has the power of being a cliquey pal like you Durison.

The big thing with you is you talk, A LOT. I've never received so much spam about people's personal issues in a guild until I was in it with you.


Now you have a shitton of members, hows Spiroc lord, bees, isle 7, and eye?

Looks like you aren't getting much done.

Until you slay something that IB doesn't, you are just some fag with a horde.

Loke is good people, you are not. May need to tell Fef to hold back on cybering Eternal for a bit so you guys can get your act together in Sky.

ZOMG GM's can you corroborate this? GG lolololol

[KilyenaMage]

Most likely the entire guild is using MQ.


I'm sure IB is also. Back on VZ/TZ many of the people in IB were using MQ. In fact, the leader of their guild on VZ/TZ pre-compiled/emailed MQ to the entire guild roster.

[KilyenaMage]

You mad you stupid fucking little punk bitch? Keep sucking on that Rogean / uthgaard cock they like guys suckin that dick because they are queers


Actually, it sounds like YOU'RE the one who's mad....just an observation.

[Pheer]

ZOMG GM's can you corroborate this? GG lolololol

a log of cybering right about now would make this thread go down in history

[azeth]

a log of cybering right about now would make this thread go down in history

how's it feel to be the dumbest motherfucker on the planet?



o wait, i forgot about girth.


you both can literally swallow my balls

[azeth]

my big sweaty, salty, sticky, transparent (why not) balls

[Pheer]

how's it feel to be the dumbest motherfucker on the planet?



o wait, i forgot about girth.


you both can literally swallow my balls

oh god someone insulted my intelligence on the internet


my feelings are hurt

[azeth]

oh god someone insulted my intelligence on the internet


my feelings are hurt

you've gotten better at being an idiot (1)

[Inglourious jizzlobber]

http://i56.tinypic.com/2cmtf6u.jpg

[Inglourious jizzlobber]

http://i56.tinypic.com/2cmtf6u.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/mbsp5k.jpg

/thread

[Pheer]

you've gotten better at being an idiot (1)

oldest everquest related insult in existance, I rate this a D- (would be an F but for the simple fact its eq related)

[azeth]

[QUOTE=Pheer;192972]oldest everquest related insult in existance, I rate this a D- (would be an F but for the simple fact its eq related)[/QUOte[

cool dude, enjoy being #2 throughout your second EQ experience. sorry this shit didn't work out for you.

[Pheer]

[QUOTE=Pheer;192972]oldest everquest related insult in existance, I rate this a D- (would be an F but for the simple fact its eq related)[/QUOte[

cool dude, enjoy being #2 throughout your second EQ experience. sorry this shit didn't work out for you.

I give this about a D for working the guild pride angle, but still not good enough yet. You're making progress though. I eagerly await your next submission for me to analyze.

[azeth]

ALSO sorry to the rest of you retards that spent the past year+ dealing with p99 drama and hax only to be trumped by mothefuckers like me, who in 6 months have more $, more dps, more respek than you ever had in live or p99.

no skill & no loot, welcome to IB.

[Pheer]

ALSO sorry to the rest of you retards that spent the past year+ dealing with p99 drama and hax only to be trumped by mothefuckers like me, who in 6 months have more $, more dps, more respek than you ever had in live or p99.

no skill & no loot, welcome to IB.

C- for targeting more than one person this time, keep going man you can do it.

[azeth]

C- for targeting more than one person this time, keep going man you can do it.

^ this guy mad.






































































that he's no one in his guild, and no one outside his guild.

[Pheer]

^ this guy mad.






































































that he's no one in his guild, and no one outside his guild.

Oh shit, sorry man but I gotta give that a D- for the cliche "he's mad" arguement. You were doing so well too! Keep at it though, don't let it discourage you. You can still turn this around.

[azeth]

Oh shit, sorry man but I gotta give that a D- for the cliche "he's mad" arguement. You were doing so well too! Keep at it though, don't let it discourage you. You can still turn this around.

ok Pheer you're right. you're not known as the slouchiest retard on the forum.

[Slathar]

Oh shit, sorry man but I gotta give that a D- for the cliche "he's mad" arguement. You were doing so well too! Keep at it though, don't let it discourage you. You can still turn this around.

I declare Azeth the winner on this. Pheer is resorting to the same routine. It's tired, boring, and most importantly, not funny.

[azeth]

what do you even do for work in real life? i mean at 32 years old you must at least be sucking your father's cock for allowance no?

maybe thats just you.

[Pheer]

ok Pheer you're right. you're not known as the slouchiest retard on the forum.

C- for the sarcasm, would have been a straight up C though if it weren't for the second "you're" not being capitalized.