Best race to make a shaman?

[fifarzo]

Hi guys
Just want to know which race is for you to make a shaman?
Thanks a lot!

[Kelor]

Gnome

[wharfrat70]

Good discussion here.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-7738.html

[Kelor]

I have asked Svenn and Orruar ( top solo shaman ) and one says Ogre the other says Troll / Iksar. So there is not really a clear answer to this.

[maskedmelon]

Barbarian, because any considerations other than fashion quest are childish.

On that note, dark or wood elf shaman would be extra fantastic.

[GinnasP99]

Troll

[wharfrat70]

The clear answer is: The one you enjoy playing most.

In the end, the other differences are not really game-making or game-breaking.

[Lojik]

Interesting question, and one that I don't believe there has been much discussion on. Each race has good benefits for shaman, prob not a clear cut answer. Shaman really has no bad race to choose from.

Barb-much smaller xp penalty, +10cr, spiritists hammer
Iksar-Regen, +ac (no jbb tho)
Troll-Regen, (-20fr)
Ogre- Frontal stun immunity

If you are making a shaman solely to kill powerful end game mobs all by urself, ogre is probably best, although there aren't any mobs that an ogre can solo that other races can't...it's just a little easier. Troll or iksar probably best all-around followed by barb

Edit: Might wanna check out what the different armors look like on the different races, fashion quest is important! Also ogre/troll can be tough to maneuver in small spaces, so that is a + argument for iksar and barbarian...but barbarians can struggle some places too.

[Crawdad]

Interesting question, and one that I don't believe there has been much discussion on.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165980
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100070
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60686
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42790
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124904
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193352
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186770

..that's just half of page one of search results.

You're going to be hard pressed to find a more talked about issue on the server's most popular class :P

Edit: I'll throw my opinion out there too and say Troll for regen+jbb+best dance.

[fifarzo]

So this is oger or troll :p i really cant decice!!

[maskedmelon]

Troll

No I'm serious. This is my superior elfquest way.

[Lojik]

You're going to be hard pressed to find a more talked about issue on the server's most popular class :P

/giggle

[jolanar]

Everyone knows fashionquest is the ultimate minmax on this server.

[Vallanor]

Iksar or Barbarian. Ogres and Trolls look ridiculous.

[Pyrion]

Ogre for best stats. Troll or iksar for faster mana (HP regen = mana regen for a shammy). My shaman is troll, switched from barb. Mana regen is the ultimate advantage for a caster in my view.

There are 2 reasons that speak for barb: Looks and good race (easier access to cities). For me that was not enough.

[xexbis0]

Why would you not play the most bad-ass race in the history of MMOs if you had a chance?

[Joyelle]

Barbarians are beautiful. All the rest are inferior.

Vote Barbie today!

[Cochonou]

Roll troll worshipping innoruuk and never look behind

[maestrom]

People always talk about the benefits of the racial bonuses without really addressing the playstyles, which is, I think, a better way of looking at it.

What kind of player are you?

Are you a super active mostly sitting at your computer and playing EQ kinda person? If so, Troll might be better. Troll regen will give you less down time so you can play more while you're at your computer. Troll edges out Iksar because of the JBB. Frontal stun immunity can save your life sometimes, but if you're a super active player you can get around stun immunity problems by timing your casts. The added risk of an additional death or so will be more than made up for by the additional benefit you get from the drastically reduced downtime.

If you're a mostly afk killer and you spend most of your time doing other things and come back to kill a few mobs every half hour or so, ogre might be better. You don't need the regen as much because, lets face it, you've been full mana for 10 minutes while you were watching netflix. The health regen doesn't really factor in for you so the cost of losing the stun immunity is much more pronounced.

[Lojik]

Why would you not play the most bad-ass race in the history of MMOs if you had a chance?

Because human can't be shaman?

[trite]

Hi guys
Just want to know which race is for you to make a shaman?
Thanks a lot!

Ogre 100% the min max, frontal stun immunity is supposed to let you stand with your back to a corner and transcend the interwebs

[Trungep99]

I say pick troll; the extra regen lowers down time and stacks with other regen abilities. you can get the fire resist later on with armor to make up for it. trolls can also use more armor options than iksars!

[fifarzo]

ok iam going to make a troll. what about the 30 points? 25wis + 5 sta?

[Subidoo]

Roll troll worshipping innoruuk and never look behind

Lol, that's my troll shaman. Love it!

[Subidoo]

Head to EC grab some buffs at the tunnel, I went from 4 to 9 in a few days with orc groups and pumas

[mr_jon3s]

If you can afford torpor Ogre is the best shaman. Frontal stun immunity makes it much easier to face tank stuff when root breaks or soloing a mob that summons. Yes troll and iksar regen are nice but at the end of the day once you are max lvl with torpor is doesn't matter.

[Trungep99]

If you can afford torpor Ogre is the best shaman. Frontal stun immunity makes it much easier to face tank stuff when root breaks or soloing a mob that summons. Yes troll and iksar regen are nice but at the end of the day once you are max lvl with torpor is doesn't matter.

regen stacks with torpor on the 6 second timers

[Trungep99]

ok iam going to make a troll. what about the 30 points? 25wis + 5 sta?

that is fine. they need as much wis as possible

[Troxx]

troll is the best, iksar being a close 2nd

frontal stun immunity is alright, but pales in comparison to racial regen

Troll beats out iksar for better starting stats, slam, jaundiced armor ... and lets be honest ... trolls are just sexy.

[Subidoo]

I love my troll, picked up a slime coated harpoon, and cracked darkwood shield. Been just melee'ing for the last 5 levels. With the buffs from EC tunnel it's been almost no downtime.

[mr_jon3s]

From my experience its the interrupts that kill you. While yes the extra regen is nice not getting interrupted before that spell is huge.

[Redanger]

I'm a 60 Shaman.

My only advice is if you are trying to pick the most powerful race, don't pick Barb.

Frontal Stun immunity > Regen @ 60 with torpor for soloing hard camps. The first 59 levels you are at a disadvantage, and the stun immunity doesn't change who can solo what (as you can see the best shamans in the Solo Artist Challenge aren't even Ogres).

Regen > Frontal Stun Immunity in groups since you can convert hp to mana.

Iksar can't wear JBB. Not a huge deal, nowhere near as OP as epic clicky.

Trolls worshipping Inny get access to a snare clicky neck.
http://wiki.project1999.com/Regent_Symbol_of_Innoruuk
It's pretty good especially since Shamans never get snare.

At the end of the day I picked Troll and haven't regretted it.

[Lojik]

Shaman is a class tougher at low levels than higher levels...lots of people advocate snare clicky but the undead fear/animal fear clickies are also great. With warrens implemented these quests are way easier now, iksar or troll(cazic) can do them with a little faction work (the actual quests are really really easy, its just faction is tough.)

[Troxx]

From my experience its the interrupts that kill you. While yes the extra regen is nice not getting interrupted before that spell is huge.

Interrupts have never killed me on my shaman, or made that much of a difference really.

The regen, on the other hand, has paid out immeasurably.

[Trollhide]

No other race comes close to matching the raw sexual charisma of trolls.

The choice is obvious

[Droxx]

Troll or iksar.

Frontal stun immunity sounds cool and all but you still get interrupted.

[cdawgz28]

I would say (in order) ogre/troll inny diety/ iksar / barb.... That's just my personal 2c

[Zekayy]

Barbarian is master race

[skorge]

Troll because racial trait is ALWAYS in effect (regen), plus can wear the JBB. I have played and owned a 60 troll, ogre and barb shaman here on P99.

Frontal stun immunity is not needed to play well. All traits are not needed to play well, so might as will pick the one that is ALWAYS in effect - the regen.

[Cecily]

Oh lord. Guess it's that time of year again. Bash still interrupts casts regardless of immunity, right?

[GinnasP99]

Oh lord. Guess it's that time of year again. Bash still interrupts casts regardless of immunity, right?

I think it's that bash doesn't, but push does.

[Lojik]

It doesn't even have to be push, you can be interrupted corner casting on a non bash. Frontal stun immunity is great though, especially v. 55+ mobs where both kick and bash act as interrupts.

[Lemonhead]

Ya, you don't get to just stand in a corner and cast w/o interrupts. I would go troll inny for the snare. It allows you to dungeon crawl solo or duo much easier.

If you are gonna take the easy outdoor routes, then not so much, but shammy is the best solo dungeon crawler with snare, even if it lasts a short while.

[mr_jon3s]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but someone told me that how spell casting works is it checks your loc when you cast a spell and when the cast ends. So if you get pushed as long as you move back to the original spot you were at when you cast the spell you shouldn't be interrupted.

But a bash and high lvl mob kicking always interrupts a cast.

[Lunababy]

Troll: The only race that gets regen + JBB (can't go iksar)
Ogre: Stun immunity

Choose one

[Baler]

Troll- Regen, good str/stam starting stats, JBB, 36s clickie snare(innoruuk), bash
Iksar if you plan on poop socking end game velious. (regen + higher AC) (no bash) http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky
Ogre if you want to look like a wall of ugly that can get hit in the face with Frontal Stun immunity, bash.
Barb if you want to win fashion quest (Barbarian Spiritist`s Hammer), JBB and can enter all the good / neutral cities, bash.

Regen is life+mana for a shaman. Don't let people make you think that regen isn't an big advantage in the long run. You can canni+torpor but regen is always on, even when torpor ticks end.

Level 55 Form of the Great Bear:
Ogres into a Grizzly bear
Troll/Iksar into a Kodiak
Barbarians into a Polar Bear

Shaman is a very Skill > Race class.
Pick what you want! Stop listening to what other people tell you is best. Best is very opinion based usually.
Just don't go ogre. They're fat, dumb, stinky & ugly. Listen to my opinion!

[Phantasm]

Iksar is the only logical choice. Which other race has a tail? And looks awesome? And gets all the pixels? And has a tail?

Iksar

[Swish]

Troll- Regen, good str/stam starting stats, JBB, 36s clickie snare(innoruuk), bash
Iksar if you plan on poop socking end game velious. (regen + higher AC) (no bash) http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky
Ogre if you want to look like a wall of ugly that can get hit in the face with Frontal Stun immunity, bash.
Barb if you want to win fashion quest (Barbarian Spiritist`s Hammer), JBB and can enter all the good / neutral cities, bash.

Regen is life+mana for a shaman. Don't let people make you think that regen isn't an big advantage in the long run. You can canni+torpor but regen is always on, even when torpor ticks end.

Level 55 Form of the Great Bear:
Ogres into a Grizzly bear
Troll/Iksar into a Kodiak
Barbarians into a Polar Bear

Shaman is a very Skill > Race class.
Pick what you want! Stop listening to what other people tell you is best. Best is very opinion based usually.
Just don't go ogre. They're fat, dumb, stinky & ugly. Listen to my opinion!

Level all 4 to 60 and see what you prefer... plenty of time :)

[jcr4990]

Best to worst imo: Troll > Ogre > Iksar > > > > > Barbarian

Frontal Stun Immunity is good but it's nowhere NEAR as good as people make it out to be. If it meant you could just stand in a corner and never ever ever get interrupted it'd be a different story. But that's not how it works. Regen is awesome and it continues to be awesome even after you have Torpor regardless of what people tell you.

Also I don't know who started the rumor that JBB "isn't important" at lvl 60 but I think they're literally smoking crack or something. I've been a L60 Troll Shaman main for a long time and I use JBB literally every day pretty much. Mana free 263dd and for some reason people act like its useless lol. Iksar can't equip JBB and therefore will always be inferior to Trolls as far as Shamans go (Sorry Vetus)

The only thing Barbarians have going for them is faction. Pretty much completely meaningless at high lvl. You can LoS to use bankers in many cities including freeport. Fixing freeport guard faction is a pretty easy task. There's a decent amount of neutral vendors around if you know where to find them. WC druid rings in the commons area. Gypsy camp over in Oasis. Barb just feels like a really bad choice unless you absolutely hate the appearance of the other 3 races in which case you gotta do what you gotta do. Fashionquest will always be #1

[Phantasm]

at the end of the day every shaman race can accomplish the same things dependent upon player skill, equipment and luck. Claiming else wise is misleading. Play whichever you want, remember its never to late to reroll (iksar) and have fun, race shouldn't matter