Uthgard DAOC - Midgard Realm

[Fifield]

Making a seperate thread to not ruin a good thing Scrooge has going for the Hibernia's. He has created a good home for you guys on Hibernia.

I have a crew of about 10 so far going to be playing on Midgard. Some from P99, some RL buddies, lots new to the game and lots familiar with it. I didn't expect this much interest to be joining us on the Midgard realm so I will most likely be making a guild and or forming with another english guild.

We will be using the beta time to enjoy the game, learn the game, and just relive our childhood memories. Come server launch we will go a little harder but lets use this time to try out classes and have some fun.

Play what you want, not what others tell you is good. You will enjoy the midgard realm, i mean common, were the vikings!

Message me personally or just post here. I just want you to know if you choose to play this game and choose the Midgard realm, you will have friends to play with.

Look forward to hearing from you!

[MrSparkle001]

Does Uthgard have a fully implemented bonedancer? I might consider playing again if it did.

[Rec]

All the cool people go TDD

[Fifield]

Does Uthgard have a fully implemented bonedancer? I might consider playing again if it did.

I have no idea, we will find out in 11 days when we play Midgard =D

[TreegreatesT]

Yes, they have bonedancers

[Ladros]

Fuck yes it is back! I am down... gonna make a class later tonight.

[Duskoy]

Might be joining you fellas on Midgard. I used to play Albion for a little bit back at release but never tried Midgard

[Byrjun]

Does Uthgard have a fully implemented bonedancer? I might consider playing again if it did.

All classes are supposed to be fully-implemented and working now.

Gonna be playing as a Troll Berserker PM me if you wanna connect.

[Fifield]

sounds great guys, Look forward to see'ing you in game.

I found a group of guys on the Uthgard forums that have a guild already setup, might be sending my crew with them and then have anyone else join us. i'll keep ya posted

[FoxxHound]

If my RL friend backs out of playing Uthgard. I might just go Mid. Mid is my favorite realm; followed by Alb. Hibernia not so much.

[Ikabod]

Count me in as a dwarf savage or warrior. I'm so pumped for pvp on this server. I was neck deep in pvp on WoW vanilla-end of lich king, when everything became too lazy/spoonfed. Came back to P99 and love the community but pvp is either nonexistant(blue) or just aweful because EQ wasn't built with pvp in mind(red). I need some exciting gameplay before the staring-at-the-wall competition drives me fully batshit.

[Ardok]

Midgard Realm Unite! We should start a thread with peoples names and etc. So we can keep in touch.

[Byrjun]

If my RL friend backs out of playing Uthgard. I might just go Mid. Mid is my favorite realm; followed by Alb. Hibernia not so much.

Just play Mid. Looks like a few of us P99ers are joining an NA guild called Stormun Vakten.

[Fifield]

Yeah for anyone playing midgard, go here, sign up, we'll all get with eachother once the server opens.

http://stormurvakten.weebly.com/

[Amargura]

I'm def going mid. Gonna be making a healer. Never played one in Daoc also never done mid before

[Cambiant]

Truth be told, I'd rather play Mid and roll shadowblade. I miss dropping people in this game so bad. I'll get situated on that guild site and probably even mess around on genesis this week.

[Fifield]

Sounds great Cambiant, i shall keep you buffed!

[Byrjun]

Bump.

Go Midgard. Slay elves.

Dear Players.

We are now three days away from ‘Uthgard’s Open Beta’ and we are as excited as we’re sure many of you are. We are extremely anxious to be opening our doors to the community for the first time in over two years! Once again we never anticipated being down as long as we have and we apologise for this but the end is close and we need you all for this final push so that we may once again return to Dark Age of Camelot.

It has been incredibly refreshing to see our forums and social media pages buzzing with activity, however, we would like to remind you all that we are not yet fully re-launching the server and that any progress you make during the BETA will be wiped. We hope you keep the same level of enthusiasm that you have displayed recently once the BETA is over and the relaunch beacons.

When the countdown reaches zero, players will be able to access the server and begin your testing. To start with we will not offer any instant 50 or realm rank merchant, this is to ensure we have all aspects of the game covered and the best option is to start with PvE. On BETA release day you will be presented with another news post that will outline information for you, this will include things we want you to test/focus on and also more importantly how to report bugs! This is absolutely crucial for speed and efficiency; it is imperative that players report bugs correctly following the correct procedure. We do not accept any report by memory, we need proof and evidence to back up any claim – this specifically allows us to implement things properly and also with speed.

The dream scenario for us is that everything happens smoothly and without any problems - of course this may not be the case so please bear with us during the launch of the BETA in case we encounter any issues regarding logging in etc. We will have this information clearly laid out for you but we have not tested with the potential scale of people that we may have yet.

Once again please remember that this is the BETA phase of Uthgard and we need you our loyal community behind this project. We hope once the BETA ends you will be more behind our server and get as many people as possible involved in the full relaunch. We are excited for an international community of players – the desire to relaunch an active server 24/7 is what we strive for.

We have noticed a few players making inquiries about Shrouded Isles - please remember that the SI expansion will not be available during BETA or the relaunch. We will be releasing Shrouded Isles as an expansion in the future and at this moment in time are not putting our focus on it until we see it being suitable. The Shrouded Isles classes and races will be available.

We will see you in three days.

Your Uthgard Staff.

[Fifield]

The hype is real.

If interested in joining our crew on midgard, go to

http://stormurvakten.weebly.com/

Or feel free to PM me so I can find out your in game name and we can meet up and be noobs together.

[Ladros]

Waiting on this confirmation email from them, it has been 15 minutes now ...

[snead]

making a wtfpwndancer.

darkness falls will be implemented off the bat correct? going to be farming me some purples.

[Ladros]

making a wtfpwndancer.

darkness falls will be implemented off the bat correct? going to be farming me some purples.

What the shit are you talking about?

[Byrjun]

Darkness Falls will be implemented but I believe a realm has to take a keep before it opens for anyone, right?

[Ladros]

Question (1): How long before you received your confirmation email from Stormguard? It's been almost a half hour now, and yes I checked my spam folder. Maybe they actually see your application first then send you email (someone physically does this)?

Question (2): What is this Darkness Falls?

[Fifield]

I had to do it twice, my 2nd email address.

some reason my first one didnt work, try that?

[Ladros]

I had to do it twice, my 2nd email address.

some reason my first one didnt work, try that?

I will try again using same email, don't really want to use my other email. I bet it's their website or some sort of filtering.

[Fifield]

If it helps, my first email was a hotmail one, 2nd that worked was gmail

[Ladros]

Oh it says "your email is only going to the thanes". So what that means is probably one of the four of them has to see it, then send a confirmation email invitation.

[Ladros]

Yes I am using Gmail.

[snead]

Darkness Falls will be implemented but I believe a realm has to take a keep before it opens for anyone, right?

on live DF was implemented after live was up, but yeah you need the most keeps. guess that will take a bit to get done, but first people to get high enough should be able to zerg a keep or two down.

[Bohab]

Is this going to be like the last DAoC Emu that I feel was 80% German speaking people?

[Ladros]

Is this going to be like the last DAoC Emu that I feel was 80% German speaking people?

Sprechen sie deutsch? Ich bin ein berliner.

I doubt it really ... seems like a lot of people from NA will be joining up.

[Byrjun]

Uthgard is hosted in Germany and most of the players are German.

NA players need to stick together, support each other, and recruit more NA players (across all realms) so we have plenty of action during non-EU times. Population is going to be the best at the launch of open beta and release and I'm sure the NA pop will be healthy for awhile, just gotta see how things are after a year or so and the population dies down a bit.

Also yes it takes some time for Stormur Vakten to email you back, I assume they review and respond to each application individually. I'm in their Discord atm so let me know if you want me to ask them anything.

[snead]

Question (1): How long before you received your confirmation email from Stormguard? It's been almost a half hour now, and yes I checked my spam folder. Maybe they actually see your application first then send you email (someone physically does this)?

Question (2): What is this Darkness Falls?

darkness falls is (imo) the coolest zone ever to be implemented in an MMORPG. it works like this

darkness falls is a pvp/pve zone that people enter to gather lewts. it's one of the best places early game to farm kill monsters in there gather different types of necklaces (based on mob level) and turn those in for lewts. However, that reward doesn't go without risk. The two other realms are able to access this area as well but are only able to ZONE IN (key word) if they own the most keeps. That being said once a realm typically takes over darkness falls they clear out their enemies that previously owned it turning it into a pvp warzone. that being said it become's a ganking paradise where you don't know what lies beyond the corner. Also to note you can camp out and darkness falls at any time and zone back in, but you can't zone in through the main method. Once you DIE you won't be able to zone back in through the main entryway. So it turns into this exciting zone where if you die there goes the fun.

also ladros you might want to look into auto training your sb

more information about both these topics below:
http://www.uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=13665
http://camelotherald.wikia.com/wiki/Darkness_Falls

[Warvok]

Hi all,

If you like vikings, DAoC, and/or the idea of killing whoever is headed to Hib from P99, you should join us in Stormur Vakten. We're a casual, but organized bunch that plan to play the beta somewhat lightly and really dive in once Uthgard goes live.

We'd like to specialize in keep defense/assault as we get going, but we'll have to see how things go in beta. All classes welcome.

Couple of notes:

[1] Lados, that's my bad. The system is not automated, and I should have made that clear. Looks like you're in now. I've clarified that on the form.

[2] If you've never played DAoC, we still want you.

[3] We're trying to build a multi-game community over here at Stormur Vakten. So if you want to bounce between games, that's totally fine. We're in this for the long haul.

For more info, check us out

stormurvakten.weebly.com

-Warvok

[Ladros]

Bump to the top, come check us out please. stormurvakten.weebly.com (http://stormurvakten.weebly.com)

[deadlycupcakez]

will be playing a pac healer -- dps for me!!

[Cambiant]

Registered with SV and client downloaded. Name on forums and in game is Drauglin. Headed to work now but just played a few minutes and it felt real smooth. See you guys soon!

[Ikabod]

When I click the Uthgard Launcher, I get an error message saying "The program can't start because api-ms-win-core-file-l2-1-0.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem." I've reinstalled DAoC client and patched again and still get the message. I have no clue what this means.

[Ikabod]

Solution is in the "getting started" walkthrough now. Disregard.

[Fifield]

Shits live, nostalgic levels through the roof.

Grouped from 1-7 with a massive 8 man group just wrecking shit, was fun. Give it a try! Took a bit to get used to again thats for sure.

[Scrooge]

Shits live, nostalgic levels through the roof.

Grouped from 1-7 with a massive 8 man group just wrecking shit, was fun. Give it a try! Took a bit to get used to again thats for sure.

How're you guys doing in Midgard? Did you make your guild yet?

[Fifield]

Were having fun, making new classes and trying out all different types.

Exploring, being noobs, learning. You guys?

[Tankdan]

Were having fun, making new classes and trying out all different types.

Exploring, being noobs, learning. You guys?

Logged into game world, saw like 35 people in my little starter area, and after 30 minutes I found 1 blue con mob. Everything else was unkillable. Logged off with no intention to return.

[Scrooge]

Were having fun, making new classes and trying out all different types. Exploring, being noobs, learning. You guys?

I'm having some problems with the launcher not working with WinXP so I'm not even playing yet, but my friends are lvl 9+.

Logged into game world, saw like 35 people in my little starter area, and after 30 minutes I found 1 blue con mob. Everything else was unkillable. Logged off with no intention to return.

Lol man, that's to be expected on the first day, it's another reason I'm not playing yet. Are you in Midgard or Hibernia? If it's the latter, you can group with my pals, they're levels 9+ but are trying out different chars also.

[Sorn]

Logged into game world, saw like 35 people in my little starter area, and after 30 minutes I found 1 blue con mob. Everything else was unkillable. Logged off with no intention to return.

That was super frustrating for sure. I ended up talking to my class trainer and doing the quest he gave me, tossed me right into level 2. (It was just a delivery quest.) After that I could beat up more stuff.

[Fifield]

Game is very unforgiving, once you get to lvl 5 you become your class and get alot more abilities.

1-5 sucks, group up, buy a better weapon. grind it out. its weaves out the weak

[Scrooge]

Were having fun, making new classes and trying out all different types.

Exploring, being noobs, learning. You guys?

Do you guys have an active Skald?

[Fifield]

Yup, but wouldn't turn down another heh,

So far we got Skald, 3 warriors, 1 thane, 1 shaman, 1 bonedancer, 1 healer, 1 hunter, 1 zerker, 1 runemaster.

I met a group of guys from DAOC live that hopefully we can keep contact with throughout beta, everyone has been super friendly its awesome.

[gkmarino]

I love what you're doing Fifield! Midgard was my main jam back in DAOC live. I had a 50 kobold war ~ 47 norsewoman thane ~ 35 norseman shadowblade ~ 48 troll zerker.

I'm using the Beta to play Hibernia because I never really tried Hibernia, so what better time than when it doesn't matter so much other than helping them fix the game for launch.

I'm a bit jealous I can't roll with you guys though. To name a few, I have so many memories all over Midgard:

The crab beach with the hammer OTD (one time drop) from the mob on the boat.
Nisse's Lair & the lizards on the land across from Nisse's lair.
The trees in Myrkwood Forest near Gna Faste.
The giants of Muspelheim and the skeletons.

Too many to count, I wish you all the best. Maybe I'll see you on LIVE in Midgard :)

[Fifield]

That would be cool Gkmarino, its funny you say that cause both me and my thane buddy got the red hammer from the guy on the boat lol. Were just past the crab beach right now on the pook island.

Ahh the nostalgia, Fill me in on the Hibernia realm, all realms have got to be as good as Midgard, just different. How you liking it Gkmarino?

[gkmarino]

It's okay so far, I'm liking my Strong Firbolg Valewalker, swinging a huge scythe is fun :)

[Scrooge]

Yup, but wouldn't turn down another heh,

So far we got Skald, 3 warriors, 1 thane, 1 shaman, 1 bonedancer, 1 healer, 1 hunter, 1 zerker, 1 runemaster.

I met a group of guys from DAOC live that hopefully we can keep contact with throughout beta, everyone has been super friendly its awesome.

Cool, I'm glad you guys are working it out. If you ever feel like trying out any Hibernian classes, give us a shout in our thread or better yet, hop on IRC and say hello. Some may be trying out a couple of Midgard classes here and there, but most likely we'll be sticking with Hibernia all the way.

It was quite tempting for me to play a Skald again this time around, and I had a ton of fun playing it on Uthgard 1.0 and have also made a good number of friends over the years, from all 3 realms!

However, I had even more fun than that while trying out Hibernia afterwards, playing as a Mentalist - it was most very refreshing, while also somewhat close to being an EQ Enchanter which is the class I've played the most in EQ over the years.

Some of us are currently messing about, trying out different chars, we keep getting new people on a daily basis almost - it gets to a point where as soon as I finally compiled a new roster, 5 more people post in the thread and want to be added!

It's really hard to keep things organized when people use one name here on the forums, then another name on IRC, and yet another name when ingame - and no one wants to help out with any of it. Trying to lead something in this way isn't as fun as it may sound, so I may have to take a step back and let things play themselves out, cause so far it' has been a thankless job, and then people call me too negative while i have to carry it all by myself.

[magician]

I'm sorry you had to step down from ur shitty beta guild

[gkmarino]

It's really hard to keep things organized when people use one name here on the forums, then another name on IRC, and yet another name when ingame - and no one wants to help out with any of it. Trying to lead something in this way isn't as fun as it may sound, so I may have to take a step back and let things play themselves out, cause so far it' has been a thankless job, and then people call me too negative while i have to carry it all by myself.
I join IRC to say hi and chat for a few seconds, but I have to go to back to work cause no one responds. I come back hour+ later and there is a huge rant thread by you. So fucking what if I have a different EQ forum name, DAOC account name & I might want to use one of my characters name in IRC. Boohoo, the way you ranted was so passive aggressive and just spewed negative energy. So now whenever you bitch about this I'm assuming its partly about me and whoever else (common) might have different names between DAOC/EQ/New Characters.

I like how you claimed that you weren't mad at anyone, well then why complain? I'm not saying your doomed but that was a really bad decision as a leader to rant about that in IRC in a two faced manner. Who knows what you would tell people in /tells or in /guild.. not my flavor, especially for a BETA of a game that inspires fun memories. Negative energy and focus on problems instead of solutions is never a winning combination.

[Cambiant]

I'm real excited about this cross-game RnF. Continue onward friends.

[Fifield]

Keep that shit out of my awesome DAOC midgard thread, this thread is to bring awareness and like minded people together.

Midgard takes their rage out on prancing elfs, not eachother =D

[gkmarino]

Agreed Fifield, had thought about deleting it after I responded to Scrooge, my bad :)

[Spyder73]

Fifield is a no talent hack who couldn't hold my jock strap with the help of ten men

[Scrooge]

I'm sorry you had to step down from ur shitty beta guild

Who said anything about a guild?

I join IRC to say hi and chat for a few seconds, but I have to go to back to work cause no one responds. I come back hour+ later and there is a huge rant thread by you. So fucking what if I have a different EQ forum name, DAOC account name & I might want to use one of my characters name in IRC. Boohoo, the way you ranted was so passive aggressive and just spewed negative energy. So now whenever you bitch about this I'm assuming its partly about me and whoever else (common) might have different names between DAOC/EQ/New Characters.

I like how you claimed that you weren't mad at anyone, well then why complain? I'm not saying your doomed but that was a really bad decision as a leader to rant about that in IRC in a two faced manner. Who knows what you would tell people in /tells or in /guild.. not my flavor, especially for a BETA of a game that inspires fun memories. Negative energy and focus on problems instead of solutions is never a winning combination.

It wasn't so much a complaint, as it was a request for some support from the people on the P99 Hibernia roster. I mean, if you can do a better job man, then by all means go for it. I just shouldn't have to ask each and every person for these details separately, and I wasn't talking to just you, I was talking to everyone in the channel - communication helps prevent people from being excluded when we gather to do P99er groups etc.

I saw you rejoin the channel with your in-game char's name afterwards, so what is the problem here exactly? You didn't like that I was asking people to use their forum names on IRC, and you happened to fall into that category? If you use a different name on IRC than the one you use on the forum, that's fine by me, but at least tell us who you are when you join the channel so we don't have to play the guessing game.

[Fifield]

Fifield is a no talent hack who couldn't hold my jock strap with the help of ten men

confirmed speed hacker and dick handler

[Scrooge]

confirmed speed hacker and dick handler

Did it get to that already??

[Scrooge]

Keep that shit out of my awesome DAOC midgard thread, this thread is to bring awareness and like minded people together.

Midgard takes their rage out on prancing elfs, not eachother =D

Some people are way too sensitive, they misunderstand my intentions and start bringing drama to these forums - instead of solving issues by way of a simple conversation, like normal adults should.

I also wanted to let you know that some of my friends are messing around on Midgard now also, since it's still a BETA and you only need 24 hours between making characters on different realms. They've got a Healer, a Berserker and a Bone Dancer, and maybe a couple of others I'm not aware of. If I end joining them just to see what changes have been made to the realm (and have a little fun doing it,) I've thought about making either a Skald, an Aug Healer, or an Aug/Mend Shammy.

Which classes (and players) do you guys currently have playing together?

[Nirgon]

A fine display of beardery by Midgard opening DF already on the goddamn beta

Sleeper awakening levels of beardery detected

[Tewaz]

Quit being children, all of you.

I logged in, died 20 times trying to solo yellow mobs and decided to not waste my time on a Beta.

Any idea on the official launch?

[Nihilist_santa]

Quit being children, all of you.

I logged in, died 20 times trying to solo yellow mobs and decided to not waste my time on a Beta.

Any idea on the official launch?

They are hitting the bugs pretty hard. As long as everyone continues to test and report it shouldn't be long. Also there is no reason to grind 50 like a neckbeard in the beta those people will burn out. Im just familiarizing myself with alb and the quest, maps, and loots so my 50 grind will be easier come relaunch.

[Ladros]

They are hitting the bugs pretty hard. As long as everyone continues to test and report it shouldn't be long. Also there is no reason to grind 50 like a neckbeard in the beta those people will burn out. Im just familiarizing myself with alb and the quest, maps, and loots so my 50 grind will be easier come relaunch.

Ya I see no reason why to get lvl 50 ... So far I am just leveling at a casual pace, doing some quests/tasks, killing mobs, getting a little bit of coin and buying some armor, weapons.

[Fifield]

Ya I see no reason why to get lvl 50 ... So far I am just leveling at a casual pace, doing some quests/tasks, killing mobs, getting a little bit of coin and buying some armor, weapons.

same ladros, but thats also cause RL is getting in the way, its easy to get going and realize 5 hours went by and your ilke holy shit its midnight i gotta get to bed, signs of a good server and good fun ahead!

Some of our crew got their first taste of alb blood, well more like their own blood cause they got ganked real good but this is what its all about, looking forward to more.

[radda]

i've never played but im thinking about it

[Byrjun]

A fine display of beardery by Midgard opening DF already on the goddamn beta

Sleeper awakening levels of beardery detected

u mad

CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER ALL OF THESE SEALS

jk I didn't get to play yesterday and now Albion owns DF. :(

[Ardok]

P99 community will ruin the Uthgaards community with it's whining and it's toxicity.

[Nihilist_santa]

P99 community will ruin the Uthgaards community with it's whining and it's toxicity.

The honor code or soft rule of 8v8 no interference will ruin Uthgard. Maybe not ruin it but send it back to the underpop server it was before.

[Nirgon]

if its red its dead

sorry in advance for playing the game

real mad about farming DF yesterday!!

[Scrooge]

Lets see some screenies of early RvR!

[Scrooge]

Hey everyone, I've submitted a new ticket, dealing specifically with this message "uthgard.exe is not a valid Win32 application." when attempting to open it under Windows XP SP3 x86 OS environment.

https://uthgard.org/tracker/issue/598/ Please go here to vote it up to the priority list, if you have this problem also.

[Fifield]

Back from a crazy bachelor party weekend, some of us skyrocketed to 40's but me and my bud are keeping it real at 15.

Hit me up if you end up rolling Midgard, found lots of old P99'rs around. Fun times.

[Scrooge]

Seems like alot of people are just skipping the BGs entirely, guess no one has the balls to pvp unless they have all their stats and resists capped.

[Sage Truthbearer]

About 5-6 of us from Divinity are planning to start on Midgard this weekend.

[SniGlas]

23 berzerker and 16 healer!

[Scrooge]

Back from a crazy bachelor party weekend, some of us skyrocketed to 40's but me and my bud are keeping it real at 15.

Hit me up if you end up rolling Midgard, found lots of old P99'rs around. Fun times.

How are you guys doing with your main Midgard group so far?

[Scrooge]

Midgard Realm Unite! We should start a thread with peoples names and etc. So we can keep in touch.

Now there's an idea!

Count me in as a dwarf savage or warrior. I'm so pumped for pvp on this server. I was neck deep in pvp on WoW vanilla-end of lich king, when everything became too lazy/spoonfed. Came back to P99 and love the community but pvp is either nonexistant(blue) or just aweful because EQ wasn't built with pvp in mind(red). I need some exciting gameplay before the staring-at-the-wall competition drives me fully batshit.

I've always wanted to form an all Dwarf and/or Kobold group, with semi-RP attitude!

How're you guys doing over there in Midgard anyway?

[Fifield]

I stopped playing because I don't want to ruin the leveling experience for live. (I know im not helping the beta but it will ruin the fun for me and my friends)

We already know were playing midgard, me and my buddy doing the whole thane/shaman thing, were gonna wait for release and roll with it then.

We play around with other realms a bit but for now, not playing much till release.

[Scrooge]

I stopped playing because I don't want to ruin the leveling experience for live. (I know im not helping the beta but it will ruin the fun for me and my friends)

We already know were playing midgard, me and my buddy doing the whole thane/shaman thing, were gonna wait for release and roll with it then.

We play around with other realms a bit but for now, not playing much till release.

How far did you guys get in Midgard? Did you do any RvR (pvp) with your realm mates?

I still haven't been able to play any, for personal health reasons, and I've also thought about messing around with other realms as well - but only after organizing a guild, 'for friends, with friends' - and any P99ers who would want to come along too ofcourse.

It's really disappointing how there aren't even any SI zones in the beta yet, cause that was primarily the biggest reason for the server to go down for 2.5 years and it came back this way instead. It makes no sense to even have an "open beta" with half the content still missing. With their chronological history of fixing the server, this beta may last a whole year if not more - especially if they intend on implementing Shrouded Isles zones prior to their "live release."

[Masq]

they have already stated SI will not be available for release.

[Scrooge]

they have already stated SI will not be available for release.

Nothing is set in stone when it comes to this game, and especially this server. Do you know how many times in the past, they'd say things like "the old RA system is never going to be implemented" on the Uthgard server? (answer: way too many.)