Been years (3.5 exact) since I played blue but could you guys expain this (gif image)

[Farzo]

http://i.imgur.com/POf7tZy.gif

dis the new guild-leader wars? bit of history plz

[Cecily]

Only 11 dropped prior to the sleeper being released on 1/31/2016.
Warriors that received dropped Sceptres: Kegluas (2), Meefus (2), Calrizien (2), Swage, Cucumbers (pictured), Mardur, Briefs, Celatus
Warriors without Sceptres: Detoxx

[jcr4990]

http://i.imgur.com/POf7tZy.gif

dis the new guild-leader wars? bit of history plz

Basically the leader of Aftermath (Detoxx) got super buttmad that Rampage woke the sleeper before he got a weapon that doesn't drop anymore (SoD) and he's super easy to rile up and make fun of so people that have the weapon like to rib him about it.

[Cecily]

Did he really or are people just saying that? Would be totally understandable.

[Baler]

Rampage woke the sleeper. Ruining Velious for everyone on blue.

[JurisDictum]

For a non BS answer:

Rampage was indisputably the number 1 guild when Velious launched. The entire history of this server is mostly 1 guild monopolies overtaking each other. That being said, Rampage looked particularly impossible because they had an extremely well organized raid force full of hardcore players.

Detoxx started another raid guild to challenge Rampage, named Forsaken. They had some success at first, but predictable problems set in. Most people that really want pixils are bandwagoners by nature. They stack on the guild that's most powerful -- uninterested in the possible benefits of being a core member of rising guild (risk payoff). Thus, Forsaken bleed members to Rampage because they were getting the biggest targets and most dragons.

Then a "casual guild" named Asgard (a lot of the core wasn't casual) teamed with Forsaken, so both had the numbers to challenge Rampage. At this point the Rampage core was burning out a bit (the leadership had a history of this); by contrast, Forsaken and Asgard had been cockblocked all Velious and were hungry. We (Forsaken/Asgard) begain to win...A lot.

After something like our 4th out 6 Vulaks, and we downed 2 out 3 warders in ST, the Rampage leadership had enough. They called a sleeper raid to block Detoxx (mostly) from getting Sceptor of Destuction. This is a BiS warrior item I'm pretty sure, and there were other BiS items no one but Rampage had, that no longer drop.

The guild leader of Rampage was named Hokushin, and the gif is him flipping Detoxx off with two Scepters of Destruction...I think at least...could be a reference to some Iksar warrior I'm unfamilar with. The msg are a reference to Detoxx's tendency to get irate when he thought Hoku was trying to pull on over on him over some lawyerquest bs (which is did and attempted to do multiple times).

Now Forsaken and Asgard merged into Aftermath, with the casual holdouts staying in Asgard. Detoxx ran Hoku off the server (the second time), but Hoku did awake the sleeper, deny him gear, and now claims to have won Velious...or at least I'm sure he sees it that way.

[Jimjam]

Rampage woke the sleeper. Ruining Velious for everyone on blue.

I don't care, just sad

1) I didn't get to be eaten by sleeper due to bugged rampage.

2) there wasn't a serverwide zerg attempt on the sleeper Zek style.

Killing the sleeper would have been the only 'meaningful' 'server first'.

[JurisDictum]

I almost forgot the best part, the Vulak we killed that week dropped the BiS monk fist, Gharn's Rock of Smashing. Despite all the time Huko put in, it never dropped until then. The incident is portrayed in this documentary footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AEaNhz8aU

[JurisDictum]

I don't care, just sad

1) I didn't get to be eaten by sleeper due to bugged rampage.

2) there wasn't a serverwide zerg attempt on the sleeper Zek style.

Killing the sleeper would have been the only 'meaningful' 'server first'.

You need keys to get in there, we still had limited amounts at the time, because rampage generally aggressively prioritized keys to block us from the zone.

[Baler]

I'm a little fuzzy on when specifics happened,. was fat before or during this with forsaken and asgard?

I recall some kinda drama about that, then it died down and idk

[JurisDictum]

I'm a little fuzzy on when specifics happened,. was fat before or during this with forsaken and asgard?

I recall some kinda drama about that, then it died down and idk

The current guild that has most the ex-Rampage that didn't quit, is Awakened (get it). They are mostly from the guild Taken, however. This is because Taken and Rampage were allies. They were previously allied with Forsaken and Asgard for Kael, Yelinak and CT.

Rampage tried a lot of shit before they quit this server. FAT rotated items evenly between guilds, but Taken was not part of ToV. Rampage offered them 2nd pick off ToV items...even though they didn't need the help in ToV and Taken functioned as a drag on the highly lawyerized environment.

So a few of us made fun of them for being a 2nd class guild in the alliance. It caused problems for us on the three targets where we were previously dominating.

[Sweettouch]

For a non BS answer:

Rampage was indisputably the number 1 guild when Velious launched. The entire history of this server is mostly 1 guild monopolies overtaking each other. That being said, Rampage looked particularly impossible because they had an extremely well organized raid force full of hardcore players.

Detoxx started another raid guild to challenge Rampage, named Forsaken. They had some success at first, but predictable problems set in. Most people that really want pixils are bandwagoners by nature. They stack on the guild that's most powerful -- uninterested in the possible benefits of being a core member of rising guild (risk payoff). Thus, Forsaken bleed members to Rampage because they were getting the biggest targets and most dragons.

Then a "casual guild" named Asgard (a lot of the core wasn't casual) teamed with Forsaken, so both had the numbers to challenge Rampage. At this point the Rampage core was burning out a bit (the leadership had a history of this); by contrast, Forsaken and Asgard had been cockblocked all Velious and were hungry. We (Forsaken/Asgard) begain to win...A lot.

After something like our 4th out 6 Vulaks, and we downed 2 out 3 warders in ST, the Rampage leadership had enough. They called a sleeper raid to block Detoxx (mostly) from getting Sceptor of Destuction. This is a BiS warrior item I'm pretty sure, and there were other BiS items no one but Rampage had, that no longer drop.

The guild leader of Rampage was named Hokushin, and the gif is him flipping Detoxx off with two Scepters of Destruction...I think at least...could be a reference to some Iksar warrior I'm unfamilar with. The msg are a reference to Detoxx's tendency to get irate when he thought Hoku was trying to pull on over on him over some lawyerquest bs (which is did and attempted to do multiple times).

Now Forsaken and Asgard merged into Aftermath, with the casual holdouts staying in Asgard. Detoxx ran Hoku off the server (the second time), but Hoku did awake the sleeper, deny him gear, and now claims to have won Velious...or at least I'm sure he sees it that way. does it feel good to lie?

[Fanguru]

Detoxx ran Hoku off the server (the second time), but Hoku did awake the sleeper, deny him gear, and now claims to have won Velious...or at least I'm sure he sees it that way.

So much for the non-bs answer :)

[Tycoon]

Out of the ST key dragons killed by the, fair, FAT alliance, how many ST keys did Taken get?

[JurisDictum]

Out of the ST key dragons killed by the, fair, FAT alliance, how many ST keys did Taken get?

We rotated items between the 3 guilds....its just a fact. The only key mob was Yelinak. I'm not even positive if you guys went for the keys then. So for all I know you got none....I don't see why anyone should care about that give rats ass. How much ST loot did Rampage give ya?

[LostCause]

Rampage woke the sleeper. Ruining Velious for everyone on blue.

shits classic.

[Swifty]

For a non BS answer:
Hoku.. and now claims to have won Velious...or at least I'm sure he sees it that way.

i assure you, nobody playing high end P99 is winning.

[Legday]

The iksar in the gif is Cucumbers. Hoku is a human.

It went like this...

Rampage vs. Forsaken
Rampage is on top going in to Velious. Forsaken has some success but ultimately bleeds loot hungry & impatient members to Rampage. Rampage thrives for the first couple of months of Velious and gets 40-50 Sleepers keys while Forsaken only has 1 or 2.

Rampage vs. Forsaken/Asgard (all targets)
Forsaken and Asgard team up and start putting up a good fight in ToV but Rampage is still getting 80% of the targets. Slowly the dynamic shifts towards 50/50. Rampage is still dominating ST keys with F/A lucky to get 1 or 2 out of 5 each week. Rampage killing Vulak every week.

Rampage vs. Forsaken/Asgard/Taken (outside ToV)
FAT has lots of success on the mobs outside of ToV. F/A inside of ToV have started to take ~50% of the targets with some weeks being even better than that. F/A is hungry and Rampage appears to start burning out. F/A is killing Vulaks. Rules change inside ToV so that you can't spam click mobs on their spawn point and now have to coth and insta pull.

Rampage/Taken vs. Forsaken/Asgard
Rampage offers Taken a better deal than they were getting in FAT, including NToV killing. Dynamic inside ToV stays near 50/50. F/A has about 20 ST keys at this point. 15 keyed F/A members sneak in to ST one night and kill 2 warders, which I dont think Rampage thought we could do.

Sleeper awakened.
There is a server repop about 1 week after F/A kills warders, and Rampage/Taken goes for targets outside of ToV while F/A cleans up inside. F/A kills Vulak just as Ramp/Taken are getting back and link the Gharn's in /ooc. A couple of hours later Rampage and a few keyed Taken members head to ST and kill all 4 warders thus waking the sleeper.

Side note: I think the warders being killed by F/A and the gharns dropping might have contributed a little bit to Rampage blowing it up...but more likely them dominating nearly uncontested for 2-3 months in Velious and then going through 3-4 months of serious competition burned out their playmakers. It had to end at some point. Nobody can do what they were doing forever.

remaining Rampage/Taken form Awakened.
Mostly Taken members. A bunch of Rampage that took a break after the awakening have also come back to join them as well.

Awakened vs. Forsaken/Asgard
50/50 for awhile. Some weeks guild a wins, some weeks guild b wins.

Forsaken/Asgard form Aftermath
Friends/pals/etc.

Awakened vs. Aftermath
See: Awakened vs. Forsaken/Asgard

This is all within 7 or 8 months.

[Freakish]

Side note: I think the warders being killed by F/A and the gharns dropping might have contributed a little bit to Rampage blowing it up...but more likely them dominating nearly uncontested for 2-3 months in Velious and then going through 3-4 months of serious competition burned out their playmakers. It had to end at some point. Nobody can do what they were doing forever.

It was one more thing to track.

[Spyder73]

i assure you, nobody playing high end P99 is winning.

The truth shall set you free...

I sometimes wonder what sort of undiagnosed mental disability I have that I still play EQ for hours a day on P99. Its either some form of self hatred, obsessive compulsive disorder, mild Asperger, or an unfulfilled need to validate myself through artificial accomplishments.

But whatever the case is, I will be destroying the undead menace in Karnor's Keep tonight and will perfectly content in my life

[Cecily]

Those who don't care about history are doomed to hear that stupid quote repeated.

[jcr4990]

It's nice to hear FA/AF members admitting that it was likely burnout that caused Rampage to split and not cause they were somehow scared of them like the RNF rhetoric was when they first split. I got a good laugh out of those posts.

[Cecily]

You were always such a good Rampage cheerleader.

[jcr4990]

You were always such a good Rampage cheerleader.

I like to think of myself as more of an anti-Forsaken cheerleader. I question the judgement of anyone who willingly follows Detoxx as their leader. But it's no secret that I had a few close ties to Rampage back in the day. Most of my old Rampage friends didn't make the jump to Awakened though. Only 1 or 2 left there.

[JurisDictum]

The fact is, if we weren't here Rampage would be. Taken probably wouldn't be getting shit.

[Cecily]

I don't think you can defend that argument with logic. The Taken part yeah, obviously.

[Bionic]

But whatever the case is, I will be destroying the undead menace in Karnor's Keep tonight and will perfectly content in my life

CASTLE.

KANOR'S CASTLE YOU NOOB!

sheesh...

[Cecily]

The fact is, if we weren't here Rampage would be. Taken probably wouldn't be getting shit.

But! You are here and Taken is getting shit so does that speak highly of your guild? It's Taken FFS lol.

[TMBLOW]

The fact is, if we weren't here Rampage would be. Taken probably wouldn't be getting shit.

Every major raiding guild at some point has had to co-raid with Taken to score a kill, you cannot say that about anyone else. They were also pretty damn good by themselves...

First to kill Statue of Rallos Zek: Taken
First to kill King Tormax: Taken
First to kill Dracoliche 2.0: Taken

Also one of the first guilds to even score a Statue kill during a normal spawn versus the Rampage powerhouse.

But yeah Taken sucked: server first Kael kills, most career AoW kills oh and the crucial cog to the FAT alliance's success outside of ToV.

What a worthless non-influential guild! They didn't concern themselves with the ToV shit hole early on and can you blame them? Nobody wanted to take on Rampage directly.

amirite?

[Cecily]

I mean TMO had to kill a VS for Taken as a punishment once.

[TMBLOW]

I mean TMO had to kill a VS for Taken as a punishment once.

only because VS was Class C at the time and you guys trained the shit out of us during the FFA one causing Unbrella to offer us VS loot from the next.

thanks for Catherin's gloves, she adores them.

[Cecily]

But yes, you're right. We definitely lol co-raided with you haha.

[kjs86z]

The iksar in the gif is Cucumbers. Hoku is a human.

It went like this...

Rampage vs. Forsaken
Rampage is on top going in to Velious. Forsaken has some success but ultimately bleeds loot hungry & impatient members to Rampage. Rampage thrives for the first couple of months of Velious and gets 40-50 Sleepers keys while Forsaken only has 1 or 2.

Rampage vs. Forsaken/Asgard (all targets)
Forsaken and Asgard team up and start putting up a good fight in ToV but Rampage is still getting 80% of the targets. Slowly the dynamic shifts towards 50/50. Rampage is still dominating ST keys with F/A lucky to get 1 or 2 out of 5 each week. Rampage killing Vulak every week.

Rampage vs. Forsaken/Asgard/Taken (outside ToV)
FAT has lots of success on the mobs outside of ToV. F/A inside of ToV have started to take ~50% of the targets with some weeks being even better than that. F/A is hungry and Rampage appears to start burning out. F/A is killing Vulaks. Rules change inside ToV so that you can't spam click mobs on their spawn point and now have to coth and insta pull.

Rampage/Taken vs. Forsaken/Asgard
Rampage offers Taken a better deal than they were getting in FAT, including NToV killing. Dynamic inside ToV stays near 50/50. F/A has about 20 ST keys at this point. 15 keyed F/A members sneak in to ST one night and kill 2 warders, which I dont think Rampage thought we could do.

Sleeper awakened.
There is a server repop about 1 week after F/A kills warders, and Rampage/Taken goes for targets outside of ToV while F/A cleans up inside. F/A kills Vulak just as Ramp/Taken are getting back and link the Gharn's in /ooc. A couple of hours later Rampage and a few keyed Taken members head to ST and kill all 4 warders thus waking the sleeper.

Side note: I think the warders being killed by F/A and the gharns dropping might have contributed a little bit to Rampage blowing it up...but more likely them dominating nearly uncontested for 2-3 months in Velious and then going through 3-4 months of serious competition burned out their playmakers. It had to end at some point. Nobody can do what they were doing forever.

remaining Rampage/Taken form Awakened.
Mostly Taken members. A bunch of Rampage that took a break after the awakening have also come back to join them as well.

Awakened vs. Forsaken/Asgard
50/50 for awhile. Some weeks guild a wins, some weeks guild b wins.

Forsaken/Asgard form Aftermath
Friends/pals/etc.

Awakened vs. Aftermath
See: Awakened vs. Forsaken/Asgard

This is all within 7 or 8 months.


The fact that I found this interesting is sad in itself.

Nice history, though. Thanks!

[JayDee]

Rampage woke the sleeper. Ruining Velious for everyone on blue.

Surprised Nilbog is cool with that

[Cecily]

only because VS was Class C at the time and you guys trained the shit out of us during the FFA one causing Unbrella to offer us VS loot from the next.

thanks for Catherin's gloves, she adores them.

I must confess I do enjoy a good train. Watching NPCs mow down players from relative safety is single best part of being a rogue. Hearing "you guys trained the shit out of us" years later makes me imagine was a pretty damn good one and that just fills my heart with pride having been a part of such a legendary crew of gamers. You are welcome for the gloves! You definitely lol earned them haha.

[Baler]

I wish these kinds of things got documented for future p99 players to read about.
There are numerous other past events that have unfolded on p99 that are lost in the rabbles of these forums.
Some of this stuff is really cool to read about.

[Swish]

Every major raiding guild at some point has had to co-raid with Taken to score a kill, you cannot say that about anyone else. They were also pretty damn good by themselves...

First to kill Statue of Rallos Zek: Taken
First to kill King Tormax: Taken
First to kill Dracoliche 2.0: Taken

Also one of the first guilds to even score a Statue kill during a normal spawn versus the Rampage powerhouse.

But yeah Taken sucked: server first Kael kills, most career AoW kills oh and the crucial cog to the FAT alliance's success outside of ToV.

What a worthless non-influential guild! They didn't concern themselves with the ToV shit hole early on and can you blame them? Nobody wanted to take on Rampage directly.

amirite?

Not bad for a former "Class R" guild, you're right. Zerg Force 1 and Zerg Force 2 (Taken/BDA) really should have moved out of it and let the casual guilds have some pixels and not have to disband.

[Detoxx]

I like to think of myself as more of an anti-Forsaken cheerleader. I question the judgement of anyone who willingly follows Detoxx as their leader. But it's no secret that I had a few close ties to Rampage back in the day. Most of my old Rampage friends didn't make the jump to Awakened though. Only 1 or 2 left there.

Afternath's doors will always be open to you, dear friend!

[khanable]

bitch please, ya'll ain't even got doors and the stairs were replaced with escalators

[Gimp]

I like to think of myself as more of an anti-Forsaken cheerleader. I question the judgement of anyone who willingly follows Detoxx as their leader. But it's no secret that I had a few close ties to Rampage back in the day. Most of my old Rampage friends didn't make the jump to Awakened though. Only 1 or 2 left there.

Weren't you an IB or Ramp app at one point? I vaguely remember hating trying to send you a tell for buffs

[Ella`Ella]

Looking back, I never would have thought that TMO vs FE would be the best era of the server. Arguably, TMO/FE vs IB a close second.

Ya'll mother fuckers playing in some dark times.

[Xerxes]

Looking back, I never would have thought that TMO vs FE would be the best era of the server. Arguably, TMO/FE vs IB a close second.

Ya'll mother fuckers playing in some dark times.

[quido]

TMO vs TR was pretty enjoyable too =) though they sucked in VP

[Raev]

best era of rnf maybe

[quido]

what's the variance tho

[Gimp]

what's the variance tho

2-4 minutes per post, give or take

[Xaanka]

Shawty wanna thug
Bottles in the club
Shawty wanna hump
You know I love to touch her lovely lady lumps

[Raev]

what's the variance tho

It's quite remarkable to me how you enjoy reminding everyone that you don't understand mathematics and don't follow through your bets.

[jcr4990]

Weren't you an IB or Ramp app at one point? I vaguely remember hating trying to send you a tell for buffs

Indeed I was! I was an IB app for a short time before a bunch of nonsense happened IRL and I moved across the country and quit playing P99 for a bit so my app fell through. Came back for Velious and decided to go with a guild that was a little more casual to suit new circumstances. Kept in touch with some pals though :)

[zanderklocke]

Looking back, I never would have thought that TMO vs FE would be the best era of the server. Arguably, TMO/FE vs IB a close second.

Ya'll mother fuckers playing in some dark times.

What about IB vs DA?

As someone who started on this server when it was TMO vs BDA right before FE formed to combat TMO, I'll never understand who is on what side since FE later allied with TMO. IB just sort of came out of nowhere after Getsome camped a zillion Ragefires, and it seemed like some FE and some TMO went and joined them. Too muddy to understand. So is Forsaken more original TMO or FE? Where does VD fit in here too?

[Ella`Ella]

IB vs DA wasn't fun for anyone. It was more a posing contest over who was going to Mage farm plane of sky and the RnF wasn't that fruitful either.

Forsaken is the remnants of FE and TMO loyalists that should have quit while they were on top mixed with casual filth that wormed their way into the raid scene.

[Ella`Ella]

Look for my book hitting shelves this fall for more inside insights from a box legend on he history of P99.

[Jimjam]

You need keys to get in there, we still had limited amounts at the time, because rampage generally aggressively prioritized keys to block us from the zone.

Yes but the sleepers rampage should have continued throughout the rest of velious, so keys largely irrelevant to my point :)

[Jarnauga]

30 players strong IB stomping TMO/FE was best era. Killing Trak with 14 was dat shit.

[Relbaic]

Start playing more/again

[Relbaic]

Oh god dammit I'm awful at this. Xerxes play more!

[bspa0700]

Those downplaying the FA/Ramp battle in TOV simply don't know.

Kharizzar's epic pet FTE's. Rampage autofiring on spawn points. The switch to coth maging. Mage placement wars. FA figuring out Vulak ledge & Koi pond, and Rampage just besides themselves convinced we were cheating. The infamous repop & Gharns debacle. The worst raid suspension call ever made. The sleeper awakening. Intensifying coth maging. FA slapping Awakened so hard in coth maging that mid-cycle they switched from 2 mages per wing to 2 mages per target (openly defying the player agreement - which went completely unpunished). Taking coth mage placement to the most extreme. Lull pull wars. The change to runups for Kael. The completely moronic decision to change to run ups for TOV. Some of the most epic races you've never seen or heard of if you aren't in one of the 3 guilds mentioned. Fifield's 5 FTEs in one night, including a naked Aaryonar FTE. Mani evolving Dozekar into bard/ranger only FTE. Deep NTOV racing turning into TEAM racing instead of individuals.

Those that quit the game and now just forum quest... Either play the game, or don't. But legends are made every week. We didn't get any less hardcore. We just can't brag about it in RNF because every week we figure out a tweak to a strat that gives a hair of an advantage, and the competition is fierce enough that we will not be giving it away just to be popular in your forum questing world.

[JurisDictum]

Those downplaying the FA/Ramp battle in TOV simply don't know.

Kharizzar's epic pet FTE's. Rampage autofiring on spawn points. The switch to coth maging. Mage placement wars. FA figuring out Vulak ledge & Koi pond, and Rampage just besides themselves convinced we were cheating. The infamous repop & Gharns debacle. The worst raid suspension call ever made. The sleeper awakening. Intensifying coth maging. FA slapping Awakened so hard in coth maging that mid-cycle they switched from 2 mages per wing to 2 mages per target (openly defying the player agreement - which went completely unpunished). Taking coth mage placement to the most extreme. Lull pull wars. The change to runups for Kael. The completely moronic decision to change to run ups for TOV. Some of the most epic races you've never seen or heard of if you aren't in one of the 3 guilds mentioned. Fifield's 5 FTEs in one night, including a naked Aaryonar FTE. Mani evolving Dozekar into bard/ranger only FTE. Deep NTOV racing turning into TEAM racing instead of individuals.

Those that quit the game and now just forum quest... Either play the game, or don't. But legends are made every week. We didn't get any less hardcore. We just can't brag about it in RNF because every week we figure out a tweak to a strat that gives a hair of an advantage, and the competition is fierce enough that we will not be giving it away just to be popular in your forum questing world.

And this is why Taken wouldn't be getting anything. Its not that their average player is unable to do ToV stuff. It's not even tracking (although you guys did have issues with that for such a big guild). They just didn't have what Ramp and Forsaken/Asgard had, a bunch of players that played this game competitively for years. That's what they would have been up against. What made Asgard different than a lot of casual guilds, is they had a few people like that running the show.

Now that Taken has been raiding with old Rampage members for quite awhile, they aren't the same guild and the players have changed as well.

[Stormfists]

Detoxx ran Hoku off the server...

Lol.

10/10 imagination.

[Tibador]

Fuck all this new shit the best Era was Classic before rule lawyering was a thing, Transcendence vs Inglorious Bastards and the occasion Divinity.

[Endonde]

And this is why Taken wouldn't be getting anything. Its not that their average player is unable to do ToV stuff. It's not even tracking (although you guys did have issues with that for such a big guild). They just didn't have what Ramp and Forsaken/Asgard had, a bunch of players that played this game competitively for years. That's what they would have been up against. What made Asgard different than a lot of casual guilds, is they had a few people like that running the show.

Now that Taken has been raiding with old Rampage members for quite awhile, they aren't the same guild and the players have changed as well.

Honestly I could say the same thing about TMO/Forsaken/Aftermath, All their big dick play makers quit during Kunark, It's strange but when TMO's good FTE'ers quit it made the game a lot less fun for me being in IB/Rampage.

[Swish]

Fuck all this new shit the best Era was Classic

[Legday]

Honestly I could say the same thing about TMO/Forsaken/Aftermath, All their big dick play makers quit during Kunark, It's strange but when TMO's good FTE'ers quit it made the game a lot less fun for me being in IB/Rampage.

Yep, this is EXACTLY how I felt when Rampage left. I was pissed when the sleeper woke up but not so much because of ST becoming a nothing zone, more because it was like "Hey! Where are you guys going!?"

We didn't like eachother but the game was at its best (for me) during the Ramp v. F/A with all of the tactic escalation. Every week one side was coming up with new ways to FTE a mob that the other side didn't even realize they never had a chance on because the new tactic was so much better than the old one.

Awakened has some great playmakers too and the competition is great - but it was at it's best when the ST race was a big part of the rest of the targets.

Klandi and Sont are useless these days.

Zlandi is a guild bank target.

LTK has ok loot but used to be a much higher priority for the key.

Yelinak still has his head, but the key isn't as big of a deal.

All 5 of those mobs used to be big kills every week.

[TMBLOW]

And this is why Taken wouldn't be getting anything. Its not that their average player is unable to do ToV stuff.

unable to do ToV stuff ? lol

Such Taken hate, did one of them piss in your Cheerios one morning and you vowed to expose them to the internet.

Taken teamed up with Forsaken in ToV before Asgard...honestly its Asgard that would be getting nothing.

0 server first Velious kills, 0 VP kills solo, handful of BS ToV kills solo while "Forsaken" was suspended. They did get KT tho.....after forcing Awakened to not contest due to a moron monk getting FTE while turning in his Dain head.

I agree w Endonde - what you said could be said literally ab all the top guilds.

[Thiefboy777]

I almost forgot the best part, the Vulak we killed that week dropped the BiS monk fist, Gharn's Rock of Smashing. Despite all the time Huko put in, it never dropped until then. The incident is portrayed in this documentary footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AEaNhz8aU

I've seen a lot of Hitler vids but this is by far the most accurate.

[ArumTP]

unable to do ToV stuff ? lol

Such Taken hate, did one of them piss in your Cheerios one morning and you vowed to expose them to the internet.

Taken teamed up with Forsaken in ToV before Asgard...honestly its Asgard that would be getting nothing.

0 server first Velious kills, 0 VP kills solo, handful of BS ToV kills solo while "Forsaken" was suspended. They did get KT tho.....after forcing Awakened to not contest due to a moron monk getting FTE while turning in his Dain head.

I agree w Endonde - what you said could be said literally ab all the top guilds.

Taken got to ride along with Forsaken what 1 time? You overstate your former guilds value in NTOV, during the brief era pre rampage team up.

As per Asgard/Forsaken team up and merge it was inevitable, as there had always been close relations between the two.

[Gimp]

Honestly I could say the same thing about TMO/Forsaken/Aftermath, All their big dick play makers quit during Kunark, It's strange but when TMO's good FTE'ers quit it made the game a lot less fun for me being in IB/Rampage.

So getting near BiS and one of like 5 tink masks wasn't fun?

[Cecily]

So getting near BiS and one of like 5 tink masks wasn't fun?

I don't see the appeal of sacrificing months of sleep for BIS. Or really what the BIS appeal is even. You get marginally more effective at doing what you've already did to do it more. That way lies insanity. Gnome mask couldn't not be fun though.

[Gimp]

I don't see the appeal of sacrificing months of sleep for BIS. Or really what the BIS appeal is even. You get marginally more effective at doing what you've already did to do it more. That way lies insanity. Gnome mask couldn't not be fun though.

I haven't been on a batphone in about 2 years of raiding, maybe more. If I'm around and wanna play EQ, I'll raid. If not, I'm doing other shit and don't care. Everyone labels A/A as 100% unemployed neckbeards when it couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, both guilds have a contingent of hardcore people, but most rosters are mainly made up of people with healthy lives that are able to balance top end p99 and RL easily.

[Detoxx]

I haven't been on a batphone in about 2 years of raiding, maybe more. If I'm around and wanna play EQ, I'll raid. If not, I'm doing other shit and don't care. Everyone labels A/A as 100% unemployed neckbeards when it couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, both guilds have a contingent of hardcore people, but most rosters are mainly made up of people with healthy lives that are able to balance top end p99 and RL easily.

Blasphemy! We require no jobs, no wives, no kids. Dont cover the truth Gimp.

[MaksimMazor]

So glad I don't play this anymore

[JurisDictum]

I'm just glade were not seeing recruitment threads like this:

You ready to be the BEST!?! because if not -- might is well fuck off and not apply. We 24/7 raid guild that spans the globe with one thing in common: a fanatical obsession with p99. We're in the habit of destroying every other guilds night and laughing our asses off about it.
If interested. Please fill out this 3 page detailed application. Make sure you list all your different geared 60s and your gina profile. We will then give you an interview and make sure you have never been a member of the communist party. Then you might be one of the few and proud members of <Cockblockers> after 3 months of tracking and not pissing anyone off.

Followed by a list of class recruitment that never means anything.

[Cecily]

Yeah I was in that guild.

[Raev]

Gnome mask couldn't not be fun though
Shoulda rolled gnome to begin with . . . .

Forsaken ran Rampage off the server
So why has Forsaken been unable to run Awakened off the server? Or is this just a matter of time in your opinion?

[Detoxx]

Shoulda rolled gnome to begin with . . . .


So why has Forsaken been unable to run Awakened off the server? Or is this just a matter of time in your opinion?

I beat my enemy, have my own Hitler video, and just downed Tunare. Did I win P99 yet? YOU'RE NEXT AWAKENED!

Jk, I wouldn't play without competition, that's for sure! I'll let you guys linger around a little bit longer. :p

[jcr4990]

I haven't been on a batphone in about 2 years of raiding, maybe more. If I'm around and wanna play EQ, I'll raid. If not, I'm doing other shit and don't care. Everyone labels A/A as 100% unemployed neckbeards when it couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, both guilds have a contingent of hardcore people, but most rosters are mainly made up of people with healthy lives that are able to balance top end p99 and RL easily.

Literally every guild in every mmo that has ever existed has consisted of a small group of hardcore neckbeards doing 90% of the work and a bunch of filler warmbodies. Not a new concept nothing to see here.

[JurisDictum]

Shoulda rolled gnome to begin with . . . .


So why has Forsaken been unable to run Awakened off the server? Or is this just a matter of time in your opinion?

I would say it is not reasonable to assume that Rampage would have quit right when it did if things were going like they did before the F/A alliance. Which means you have to admit they quit at least little early. Yea that's my opinion, but I'm arguing near all reasonable people would come to that opinion.

But I don't even think it was a little early. I think if they could continue to put in minimum effort to kill dragons they wouldn't have burnt out yet. And they only really had to do this because of F/A. And the kind of people that ran the other guilds on this server probably couldn't have pulled off what F/A did.

It's kind of mind boggling people argue this point with me for any reason but propaganda. Awakened is a different guild. It has different leaders and different bodies. The guild acts differently than rampage in many ways.

[Gimp]

Considering the vocal leadership of Awakened and their reps in the raid forum is entirely old Taken, they are 100% different than Rampage.

[Raev]

But I don't even think it was a little early. I think if they could continue to put in minimum effort to kill dragons they wouldn't have burnt out yet. And they only really had to do this because of F/A. And the kind of people that ran the other guilds on this server probably couldn't have pulled off what F/A did.

So we can agree that Rampage's core had beaten Velious to the point where they would only stick around if killing dragons involved minimum effort, and FA pushed them beyond that.

I still don't think that's nearly enough to say that FA ran Rampage off the server. More like gave them a mild boost on the way out.

[Oleris]

I miss raiding with taken :(

[Endonde]

I don't see the appeal of sacrificing months of sleep for BIS. Or really what the BIS appeal is even. You get marginally more effective at doing what you've already did to do it more. That way lies insanity. Gnome mask couldn't not be fun though.

This will sound super crazy, but I value my Crown of Rile way higher than I do my Gnome mask. Crown of Rile, and Robe of Azure Sky to me were the biggest items in the game when I started seriously raiding on P99. Gnome mask is neat, and it's nice to have 1 of 6 (of which probably only 3-4 are active now), but for whatever reason it just isn't the same.

Tunare dagger was cooler until the casuals started getting them.

[Swish]

I agree with Cecily, my rogue probably does 90-95% of the dps a BiS rogue does...nothing wrong with that or bad about it and certainly not worth losing sleep over.

[Ella`Ella]

Considering the vocal leadership of Awakened and their reps in the raid forum is entirely old Taken, they are 100% different than Rampage.

It blows my mind that people that raided under the leadership of Rampage/IB march to the beat of Taken's drum.

[Gimp]

It blows my mind that people that raided under the leadership of Rampage/IB march to the beat of Taken's drum.

You and I both share that sentiment.

[jcr4990]

It blows my mind that people that raided under the leadership of Rampage/IB march to the beat of Taken's drum.

I hate it when I agree with Unbrella on something. Fuck.

I'm not bashing Taken but it does feel kinda weird when you think about it like that.

[cdawgz28]

Staying at a holiday inn last night made everyone an Awakened expert I see

[Erati]

I miss raiding with taken :(

I miss Oleris <3

VP co-raiding good times. Trolololollololololololol dont be hating, cant knock it til you try it, im addicting.

[Swish]

Staying at a holiday inn last night made everyone an Awakened expert I see

bro you should go to Vegas and see minor celebrities like Tito Ortiz across a room - shit's dope

[cdawgz28]

bro you should go to Vegas and see minor celebrities like Tito Ortiz across a room - shit's dope

Tito Ortiz vs Frank Shamrock was legit but that was also when Everquest came out too.

[Ivah]

Looking back, I never would have thought that TMO vs FE would be the best era of the server. Arguably, TMO/FE vs IB a close second.

Ya'll mother fuckers playing in some dark times.


This, the 12 to 18 hour train sessions in VP were the funnest time on this server. Only one way it could have been better. Everyone with red name tags.

[jcr4990]

I miss Oleris <3

VP co-raiding good times. Trolololollololololololol dont be hating, cant knock it til you try it, im addicting.

<3 Eratani you were always one of the goog guys.

However my stance on alliances hasn't changed

http://i.imgur.com/ktcFc6x.jpg

[Rampage]

Detoxx started another raid guild to challenge Rampage, named Forsaken. They had some success at first, but predictable problems set in. Most people that really want pixils are bandwagoners by nature. They stack on the guild that's most powerful -- uninterested in the possible benefits of being a core member of rising guild (risk payoff). Thus, Forsaken bleed members to Rampage because they were getting the biggest targets and most dragons.

From my memory, Rampage hardly took any Forsaken members at all, so I'd love to see a list of names to back up that claim. I'd say most Forsaken just took a break or ghosted.

[Rampage]

Blasphemy! We require no jobs, no wives, no kids. Dont cover the truth Gimp.

Yeah those 80 people logging in at 10-11AM EST on a Monday morning for 3 weeks in a row because Lord Vyemm popped, are all deep into their career fields.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Cecily]

This, the 12 to 18 hour train sessions in VP were the funnest time on this server. Only one way it could have been better. Everyone with red name tags.

There was nothing scarier than seeing Necrious run up on you in VP with wurms in tow. A chill ran down my spine every time I saw him in VP, even one time after I joined TMO. I had so much fun with those train wars. They were definitely among the best PvP experiences I've had in any game, which is surprises me because I generally don't have much fun in a support role. Rogues couldn't kill anyone, but everyone wanted to and was trying to kill you. Pretty much played like those med evac choppers in Nam. Hoshkar...

http://i.imgur.com/VTrGDCL.jpg

[Gimp]

Yeah those 80 people logging in at 10-11AM EST on a Monday morning for 3 weeks in a row because Lord Vyemm popped, are all deep into their career fields.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hey cutie, I love that new account. Looks good on you. Will your officers get the GMs to lookup your IP and expose your account like they did to Danny, or will they bitch out and prove me right in that their bullshit rules are only enforceable when they get butthurt.

Hint: I already know the answer.

[Troubled]

I beat my enemy, have my own Hitler video, and just downed Tunare. Did I win P99 yet? YOU'RE NEXT AWAKENED!

Jk, I wouldn't play without competition, that's for sure! I'll let you guys linger around a little bit longer. :p

Shit's gonna look good on your resume. Hope you take a break soon, for your family's sake.

[Gorillas]

This will sound super crazy, but I value my Crown of Rile way higher than I do my Gnome mask. Crown of Rile, and Robe of Azure Sky to me were the biggest items in the game when I started seriously raiding on P99. Gnome mask is neat, and it's nice to have 1 of 6 (of which probably only 3-4 are active now), but for whatever reason it just isn't the same.

Tunare dagger was cooler until the casuals started getting them.

IS THIS REAL?!?!

Do all of the end game no life shit stains sit around talk about which piece of their loot they value the most? You shitbags keep track of ST drops to feel special?

This place gets more pathetic every week

[Loke]

IB vs DA wasn't fun for anyone. It was more a posing contest over who was going to Mage farm plane of sky and the RnF wasn't that fruitful either.


Pre-Sky DA vs IB was pretty dope. Raid rules were much less restrictive, guild sizes were smaller and much more mobile, and a lot of gimmicky strategies that have been used here over the years hadn't been considered yet. As brutal as it could be, I actually made a ton of friends from both guilds during those 15 man AFK claiming days. Would have like 60 people sitting inside the PoF fire wall waiting for shit to spawn and jus BSing with each other. Also the competition seemed much closer. As fun as FE vs TMO could be, TMO destroyed us for those first few months. I got the first FE bard epic and think I had been to 30+ trak raids before we a) got the kill and b) guts dropped. We probably watched them kill 50+ VP dragons before we got that first druushk kill. IB usually beat up on DA, but even then DA was usually getting 1 or 2 mobs out of 6 weekly.

Sky was absolutely horrible though. So many players burned out up there in the first 3 months after it was released.

TR vs DA/TMO was cool too. DA/TMO had the numbers, but a lot of their good players like Daltheb and Baub had switched to TR, so it was a lot of 60-70 man DA/TMO zergs vs TR forces that were half the size, but much better geared and prepared. People always claim their competition zergs while they dont, but TR vs DA/TMO was one of the few times it was almost always true. Was cool to see that play out.

[Gorillas]

Pre-Sky DA vs IB was pretty dope. Raid rules were much less restrictive, guild sizes were smaller and much more mobile, and a lot of gimmicky strategies that have been used here over the years hadn't been considered yet. As brutal as it could be, I actually made a ton of friends from both guilds during those 15 man AFK claiming days. Would have like 60 people sitting inside the PoF fire wall waiting for shit to spawn and jus BSing with each other. Also the competition seemed much closer. As fun as FE vs TMO could be, TMO destroyed us for those first few months. I got the first FE bard epic and think I had been to 30+ trak raids before we a) got the kill and b) guts dropped. We probably watched them kill 50+ VP dragons before we got that first druushk kill. IB usually beat up on DA, but even then DA was usually getting 1 or 2 mobs out of 6 weekly.

Sky was absolutely horrible though. So many players burned out up there in the first 3 months after it was released.

TR vs DA/TMO was cool too. DA/TMO had the numbers, but a lot of their good players like Daltheb and Baub had switched to TR, so it was a lot of 60-70 man DA/TMO zergs vs TR forces that were half the size, but much better geared and prepared. People always claim their competition zergs while they dont, but TR vs DA/TMO was one of the few times it was almost always true. Was cool to see that play out.

If all the other players like you, left....it would be a great server to enjoy the nostalgia factor.

The end game raiders here ruin the server, it's a selective group of people without careers or social status who have spent 6 years playing this server non stop and consider it an elite club.

Look at all the essays reminiscing about old times followed by a dissertation on rule precedent set 3 years ago. Let go, go outside

[Cecily]

If all the other players like you, left....it would be a great server to enjoy the nostalgia factor.

They mostly have. We're left with the dregs like yourself and that's why this forum isn't as fun.

[Loke]

If all the other players like you, left....it would be a great server to enjoy the nostalgia factor.

The end game raiders here ruin the server, it's a selective group of people without careers or social status who have spent 6 years playing this server non stop and consider it an elite club.

Look at all the essays reminiscing about old times followed by a dissertation on rule precedent set 3 years ago. Let go, go outside

Thats just like, your opinion, man.

Also, I have mostly quit. I play casually as fuck now. The thing you and other casuals who cry about the state of the server don't realize is that the hard core population is a significant portion of this server. There is so much turn over at the top end, but always more warm bodies to fill the void. When I log on these days my /friends list returns almost nothing, because almost everyone from back in the pre-kunark and pre-veliois days has quit. A lot of us still log on from time to time and browse the forums when we're bored, but it isn't like the same group of people has been dominating this server for the past 6 years.

Keep crying about how everyone on a server of thousands of players doesn't cater to your specific idea of a nostalgic experience though. Sure that will work out for you eventually.

[Gorillas]

They mostly have. We're left with the dregs like yourself and that's why this forum isn't as fun.

I don't have dregs, they were culturally appropriated from other cultures.

And no, they haven't left. There were 30 BDA losers sitting in KC waiting for a FTE on VS after 5 years.

[Gorillas]

Thats just like, your opinion, man.

Also, I have mostly quit. I play casually as fuck now. The thing you and other casuals who cry about the state of the server don't realize is that the hard core population is a significant portion of this server. There is so much turn over at the top end, but always more warm bodies to fill the void. When I log on these days my /friends list returns almost nothing, because almost everyone from back in the pre-kunark and pre-veliois days has quit. A lot of us still log on from time to time and browse the forums when we're bored, but it isn't like the same group of people has been dominating this server for the past 6 years.

Keep crying about how everyone on a server of thousands of players doesn't cater to your specific idea of a nostalgic experience though. Sure that will work out for you eventually.

I'm casual because I don't want to jack off at WTOV zone out for 10 hours staring at a wall waiting for a warped spawn to show up?

You neckbeard losers have removed any nostalgia from the server by turning it into a job.
You neckbeard losers have made end game raiding absolutely boring and horrible, have any of you even seen NToV or do you just hop on Skype and wait for your PoM/Exit summon?

There's no crawl, there's no clear, there's a bunch of people without anything else who can sit for 5 hours spamming track, COTH, or Target range attack. Classic

[quido]

blue is fucking retarded - it's no secret

[Spyder73]

blue is fucking retarded - it's no secret

Fulfill the music competition fgt

[Loke]

I'm casual because I don't want to jack off at WTOV zone out for 10 hours staring at a wall waiting for a warped spawn to show up?

You neckbeard losers have removed any nostalgia from the server by turning it into a job.
You neckbeard losers have made end game raiding absolutely boring and horrible, have any of you even seen NToV or do you just hop on Skype and wait for your PoM/Exit summon?

There's no crawl, there's no clear, there's a bunch of people without anything else who can sit for 5 hours spamming track, COTH, or Target range attack. Classic

Firstly, I love how casual players keep calling for clearing and killing mobs on spawn points, but then claim current raiders are no-life neckbeards. Maybe you forgot, but clearing NToV on live was often a 2 day, all day raid event with tons of boring clearing. Raiders on p99 have refined raiding in NToV to be as easy and mininally time consuming as possible, with the exception of trackers. How is it that the people who want to do something as quickly and effectively as possible are overly immersed, but the people who want to spend all day, over numerous days, are the normal well adjust people? A hand full of people tracking vs. 80+ people glued to their screen all day...

Also, I think you're drastically misinformed about my contribution to the state of the server. I've had fuck-all to do with raiding policy here since well before velious. I get that you're really cranky about not being able to log on once a week and get BiS loot, but you might want to blame someone actually involved in the raid scene. I show up occasionally when I feel like it and dont even have high enough attendence to be eligible for loot. I am regrettably not the big meanie who is stopping you from attaining your casual EQ utopia.

[Cecily]

Firstly, I love how casual players keep calling for clearing and killing mobs on spawn points, but then claim current raiders are no-life neckbeards. Maybe you forgot, but clearing NToV on live was often a 2 day, all day raid event with tons of boring clearing. Raiders on p99 have refined raiding in NToV to be as easy and mininally time consuming as possible, with the exception of trackers. How is it that the people who want to do something as quickly and effectively as possible are overly immersed, but the people who want to spend all day, over numerous days, are the normal well adjust people? A hand full of people tracking vs. 80+ people glued to their screen all day...

Nice... That was actually a large part of my decision to ditch raiding in Velious. NToV all day clears sounded miserable. I still think they should happen. Which would actually have the effect of only hardcores going to NToV.

[JurisDictum]

I don't think we would need rotations if things were a classic timeline. We don't have a classic timeline so it makes sense to do something to address the problem with way too many people for the content (and too many tools for the content as well).

That's how people normally think about these things. For some reason, this server is dominated by the "lets keep it shitty for most players" faction.

It's true that a large portion of people on this server participate in A/A raids. But its still probably a 1/3 of active 60s. This measurement ignores all the people that quit the server because of the raid scene.

[Duie]

2 + years and the only thing that has changed is the name on the tags... to think all this started w/ IB and Transcendence .