pulling keeper of souls from island 4 to 1

[karsten]

not super kosher, especially for someone who is complaining about pulling vox to king room!

also, noble from 1.5 to 1, etc etc etc

also fefi your kid looks super handsome

[karsten]

and youre the girl of my dreams

[fefifofum]

You know what prince charming you can say whatever the FUCK you want about me being the girl of your dreams..

But when you involve my kids in this is where you step over the line.

That is one thing you never do to a person..

And it proves what a sad person you are IRL to stoop down to that level.

Was anyone talking to you in the first place?

[Durison]

Karsten is full of class, like every single member of IB.

[karsten]

look all I said is that your avatar looks like sarah palin's kid, I didnt know it was yours!


don't throw a drumstick at me, ITS THE HOLIDAYS

[karsten]

durison n karsten #1 bffs, and why are you sticking up for this other person?

[fefifofum]

also fefi your kid looks like he has downs syndrome

look all I said is that your avatar looks like sarah palin's kid, I didnt know it was yours!

Read what you fucking say before you start typing again..

[Durison]

Your talking shit about my wife and our kids - You have something seriously wrong with you. Thanks for making her cry bro, you are awsome.

[karsten]

also why are you guys trying to change the subject? The real injustice here is pulling keeper of souls from island 4 to island 1 in EVERQUEST EMULATOR PROJECT 1999 where everything matters


not that cool imo

[rachel]

I think the kid looks cute. like a little angel , nothing wrong at all.

Karsten sounds butt hurt. Fuck IB >derrp vs cazicthule!

[karsten]

man now I honestly feel bad, fefi I thought you were more used to how forums work on the internet.

I heartily apologize to both you and durison!

[Durison]

continue the nerd raging - i find it quite amusing

[Trimm]

this thread is going places.

[Loke]

Karsten is full of class, like every single member of IB.

Hrmm.. How about Durison really doesn't know a fucking thing about it! You guys are fucking retarded. It really isn't that hard to believe that SOME(ONE) used Marcoquest in the guild and others didn't know about it.

blah blah blah... faggots

Class.

[Winobot]

Must resist the urge to troll Fefi...

[Rangerous]

I need a sock right now.

[baub]

lol @ the bum who makes an anon account 5 minutes ago just to post in this thread

[Mee123]

What do you mean!~ Dark Suspension is full of class. I mean, it's obvious officers aren't promoted by the guildleader and the that the guildleader has no idea what kind of people the officers he promotes are. Oh wait........

[Szeth]

Abacab,

You make my work day bearable. Cheers.

[fefifofum]

Fat, downy kid was conceived during a poopsock 9 months ago. It's hard to have good sound genes when when the only prenatal care was randoming on vermiculated bracers.

In other words, it's not the kids fault she is retarded the parents in question were just too busy with CT to worry about FAS

Abacab you really have room to talk!

[Massive Marc]

Finally some entertainment at work....

Was starting to think R&F was slowing down.

[Origin]

Karsten, I'm appalled by your insensitivity towards small children with Down's Syndrome. Children are God's gift and are all adorable, regardless of any ailments. Just look at this child (see picture)! Perhaps the child in Fefifofum's avatar will someday look the same, but guess what? She's still adorable!

http://optimistworld.com/files/files/charities%20from%2013%20march%2008/downs%20south%201.jpg

I hope you reconsider your trolling and apologize wholeheartedly.

[Massive Marc]

Karsten, I'm appalled by your insensitivity towards small children with Down's Syndrome. Children are God's gift and are all adorable, regardless of any ailments. Just look at this child (see picture)! Perhaps the child in Fefifofum's avatar will someday look the same, but guess what? She's still adorable!

http://optimistworld.com/files/files/charities%20from%2013%20march%2008/downs%20south%201.jpg

I hope you reconsider your trolling and apologize wholeheartedly.

I'm sorry, but that kid isn't cute.

[RapidScotch]

This can't be it... I just grabbed my popcorn!! :(

[nosebleed]

Karsten, I'm appalled by your insensitivity towards small children with Down's Syndrome. Children are God's gift and are all adorable, regardless of any ailments. Just look at this child (see picture)! Perhaps the child in Fefifofum's avatar will someday look the same, but guess what? She's still adorable!

http://optimistworld.com/files/files/charities%20from%2013%20march%2008/downs%20south%201.jpg

I hope you reconsider your trolling and apologize wholeheartedly.

I thought this picture was a joke, but you're serious. :confused:

[Trimm]

Didn't Hasbin get banned once for attacking Durison's family?

[Shannacore]

Its the iiiiiinternetttttttt

[Henini]

lol @ crying because of a troll post.

[Slathar]

The best part is everyone here is over the age of 20 I'm guessing.

God bless the internet.

[Hasbinbad]

Didn't Hasbin get banned once for attacking Durison's family?
Negative.

[Exxon]

Fat, downy kid was conceived during a poopsock 9 months ago. It's hard to have good sound genes when when the only prenatal care was randoming on vermiculated bracers.

In other words, it's not the kids fault she is retarded the parents in question were just too busy with CT to worry about FAS
It's funny because it's true.

[M.Bison]

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0907/down-with-the-syndrome-demotivational-poster-1248344501.jpg

[Ihealyou]

http://i53.tinypic.com/2zrgxuu.jpg

[Swishahouse]

HEY YOU FUCKERS THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH!!! HOW DARE YOU EVER TALK ABOUT HER LIKE THIS!!! DURISON IS ONE THING IN MY EYES I MEAN I DID CRAFT PICTURES OF HIM LIKE THIS ONE...

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lVprNSqIbk8/THK0ZeO54iI/AAAAAAAABGU/-o_UYTfeUdI/dark.png


BUT TO BRING AN INNOCENT LADY LIKE HER AND THAT BEAUTIFUL CHILD INTO THIS MIX IS REALLY JUST LOWDOWN DERANGED! I MEAN HOW COULD YOU PPL!?!?!?! FIFI I DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY ARE SAYING ABOUT YOU AT ALL!!! THERES NO WAY SHE KNEW PPL CHEATED IN THAT GUILD AND I FOR ONE WANT TO SAY STOP IT TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE DOING THIS!!! KARSTEN SHAME ON YOU AND ALL THE OTHER BADDIES WHO HAVE RAKED THIS LADY THRU THE COALS!!!! YOU SHOULD ALL BE UPSET WITH YOURSELVES!!!!

[xshayla701]

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lVprNSqIbk8/THK0ZeO54iI/AAAAAAAABGU/-o_UYTfeUdI/dark.png


I would really appreciate it if people stopped taking pictures off of my facebook and posting them here, I mean come on...

[Henini]

lol @ Swishahouse

[Hasbinbad]

HEY YOU FUCKERS THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH!!! HOW DARE YOU EVER TALK ABOUT HER LIKE THIS!!! DURISON IS ONE THING IN MY EYES I MEAN I DID CRAFT PICTURES OF HIM LIKE THIS ONE...

BUT TO BRING AN INNOCENT LADY LIKE HER AND THAT BEAUTIFUL CHILD INTO THIS MIX IS REALLY JUST LOWDOWN DERANGED! I MEAN HOW COULD YOU PPL!?!?!?! FIFI I DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY ARE SAYING ABOUT YOU AT ALL!!! THERES NO WAY SHE KNEW PPL CHEATED IN THAT GUILD AND I FOR ONE WANT TO SAY STOP IT TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE DOING THIS!!! KARSTEN SHAME ON YOU AND ALL THE OTHER BADDIES WHO HAVE RAKED THIS LADY THRU THE COALS!!!! YOU SHOULD ALL BE UPSET WITH YOURSELVES!!!!
..a wild white knight appears!

[Shannacore]

I hope everyone got to see Abacab's memes before they were removed

[Henini]

I'd tap that!

[Shannacore]

I hope everyone got to see Abacab's memes before they were removed the second time.

[Henini]

heck , maybe fefi and dur can make more kids and use em as farmers in a couple of years.

kids got to earn their keep right? with todays' technoligies they don't need to be doing much around the house, better off getting em to farm plat or pl toons and poopsock and shit.

I think abacab... they might actually be way a head of us!!!

I wish I would of thought about this earlier. gah!

you two are my heros <3

[Misto]

This thread does not compute. ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZTttt cloccckwerk Errorererrrrrrrrrrr 40404040404040404 *explosion*

[Messianic]

I weep for the future of humanity.

[Henini]

they deleted abacab again! awww

[Swishahouse]

OMG KIDS AS FARMERS!!! DO YOU THINK SHES THAT SICK THAT SHE WOULD LITERALLY USE HER LITTLE CHILDREN THAT WAY IN SOME GAME!! IM SURE SHES A LOVING PARENT WHO WANTS TO GUARD AND PROTECT HER ROOST JUST LIKE ANY OTHER LEGITIMATE PLAYER WOULD SERIOUSLY GUYS!!!!

[Otto]

I miss Karsten.

God that was fabulous

[Chanus]

What's with calling people "baddies"?

That's where I'm really confused.

[Messianic]

What's with calling people "baddies"?

That's where I'm really confused.

It's a very easy word with which to rhyme

[Chanus]

It's a very easy word with which to rhyme

I guess if your father is an overweight Scottish boy who drinks exceptionally cheap beer while working on a golf course.

[Messianic]

I guess if your father is an overweight Scottish boy who drinks exceptionally cheap beer while working on a golf course.

Aye, laddie.

See, I did it!

[karsten]

i LOVE OTTO

[Hasbinbad]

i LOVE LAMP

[Appollo]

I am late to this thread and I don't usually post, but Karsten that was an all time low. You're despicable.

[Appollo]

Class.

I except more out of you, Loke.

[Pheer]

Didn't Hasbin get banned once for attacking Durison's family?

Yes. With a knife.

[baub]

i LOVE LAMP

Do you really love the lamp, or are you just saying it because you saw it?

[Rahnza]

I except more out of you, Loke.

[Appollo]

Touche. I expect more out of you, Loke.

[OngorDrakan]

feed the trees

[xshayla701]

feed the trees

NO HUG THEM

[Noser]

also, noble from 1.5 to 1, etc etc etc



I'm pretty sure IB was the first guild to pull Noble to island 1 because i recall rogean speaking up in Mumble and saying it was a legit pull that guilds did back on live.. And Karsten.. wtf dewd.. be nice.

[karsten]

i dont usually post on this forum but lick my balls appollo, IF THAT IS EVEN YOUR REAL NAME

[Ronas]

I'm pretty sure IB was the first guild to pull Noble to island 1 because i recall rogean speaking up in Mumble and saying it was a legit pull that guilds did back on live.. And Karsten.. wtf dewd.. be nice.

Think it was to island 3, they are not pro enough to drag it to 1. And yah rogean did say it is legit. Cant say the same with the vox through wall shit

[Salty]

And here I thought Fef was with Eternal, not Durison.

Silly me, what was I thinking?

[Salty]

Cant say the same with the vox through wall shit

How is pulling Vox to king an exploit?

[slapen]

Nice to see IB supports there memebers talking like this in threads, realy shows there true colors.

[karsten]

by the way, when did people rants and flames become such gigantic pussies? some of you people sound like you are straight from a 4-H message board or something.

[Pheer]

Nice to see IB supports there memebers talking like this in threads, realy shows there true colors.

looks like DA taught you their propaganda techniques well

[Salty]

looks like DA taught you their propaganda techniques well

IB shouldn't even be able to raid when their competition can field x2/x3 the opposition's numbers.

If you can throw 110-130 people at something, than you probably should be able to kill everything in sky, right?

:eek:

[Otto]

Nice to see IB supports there memebers talking like this in threads, realy shows there true colors.

Nice to see another person in DA's defense that has no idea how to use the English language/spell.

Is any DA white knight capable of complex thought?

IB shouldn't even be able to raid when their competition can field x2/x3 the opposition's numbers.

If you can throw 110-130 people at something, than you probably should be able to kill everything in sky, right?

For real. Jeebus.


by the way, when did people rants and flames become such gigantic pussies? some of you people sound like you are straight from a 4-H message board or something.

It was terrible for a while, this is better than it was =(

[Salty]

"Hey bros I can't find a monk, hey bros I don't know how to kill bosses"

herp derp herp derp herp derp herp derp herp derp herp derp
herp derp herp derp herp derp herp derp herp derp herp derp

I would think if you were going to mutinee the whole guild under your reign than you would actually accomplish shit. Jump to months later, more members, and you are STILL not #1?

Christ....


This strikes to the center of your guild leadership. Dude wants to be the man-in-charge but can't deliver on any of the goals, even when the numbers are so outrageously skewed in his favor.

[Ronas]

How is pulling Vox to king an exploit?

Didnt mention anything about expliot but sure, let view this again. Correct me if i am wrong but naggy cannot be pulled outside of his room right? How does lady vox fit through that little hole?

Xzerion please fix this now, not when another guild starts using it. Thanks

[KilyenaMage]

..a wild white knight appears!

Hey pal, that's mine...I'm willing to let you use it occasionally. Apology accepted!

[KilyenaMage]

I'd tap that!

She's mine son. I call her the Oracle while I beat that ass.

[Salty]

"Hey bros I have 100 on and macroquest loaded, think we can kill the prime shit in sky?"

"No, maybe IB will"


/end

[Slathar]

.... fit through that little hole?

excellent

[Salty]

Didnt mention anything about expliot but sure, let view this again. Correct me if i am wrong but naggy cannot be pulled outside of his room right? How does lady vox fit through that little hole?



Getsome is bound in Solb.
You could bind in Fear (last I was there).
You can Charm in Fear.
I've had GMs depop our dragon and respawn them for IB.
I've seen IB kill a dragon and GMs give loot to both guilds.
Manastone is suppose to work in fearplane, hateplane, and sky.
Manastone was turned off DURING kunark.

While vox fitting through the small hole doesn't make sense, it's not like there are more serious issues just sitting out there that doesn't even connect with how it really was.

I think the issue at hand is why Durison can't slay anything noteworthy.

[KilyenaMage]

by the way, when did people rants and flames become such gigantic pussies? some of you people sound like you are straight from a 4-H message board or something.

Now now Karsten...You've been one of the biggest, stinkiest Dbags I've ever known since I first met you on VZ/TZ. You're just getting what's been comin for awhile.


I was amazed to see that you were actually a BIGGER Dbag on P99.....because there was no PVP to set you at ease Im guessing. Kicking people from your groups cuz someone 1 level higher of the same class LFGs etc.

Eat shit....Pal !

[spok]

"Hey bros I have 100 on and macroquest loaded, think we can kill the prime shit in sky?"

"No, maybe IB will"


/end

I thought IB was stuck at Spiroc Lord along with everyone else? I don't recall anyone finishing the big bee in its current state. Sure IB did before the zone was nerfed - can ya really count that as a server first considering??

Deciding who is #1 should be the guild that takes down the most raid content don't you agree?

IB was that guild before end of summer, seems DA has been that guild the past few months (minus the few issues regarding raid suspensions...)

[karsten]

are you insane or just stupid? also why do you send me PMs?

[Salty]

DA has been that guild the past few months

Both guilds are progressed to Spiroc Lord.

IB has farmed Spiroc Lord more than DA.

FULL MEMBERS who have attended a raid in the past 30 days:
DA : Over 140
IB: 51


I think we have a slight issue in one of the 2 mentioned guilds...

[jeffd]

if some nerd on the internet insulting your kid makes you cry, you should probably stay off the fucking internet

although you should probably be off the internet anyway rather than poopsocking 24/7 seeing as how you have a kid etc

[jeffd]

ps my avatar is my bubbling baby boy

[spok]

Both guilds are progressed to Spiroc Lord.

IB has farmed Spiroc Lord more than DA.

Cannot deny IB had their Hayday with Lord, just not sure which guild has more takedowns with the current lord. I think DA has had a dominant hold on god/dragon/sky mobs over the past few months legitimately.

I gotta maintain that they are #1 - even though I do not play with them anymore.


I think we have a slight issue in one of the 2 mentioned guilds...

Whatever could that issue be (lol)

[Salty]

Whatever could that issue be (lol)


If you can't kill bees with 140 members than either the staff of P99 is retarded or DA is retarded.

I'm gonna take the easy option on this one and stick to it.

[Otto]

Didnt mention anything about expliot but sure, let view this again. Correct me if i am wrong but naggy cannot be pulled outside of his room right? How does lady vox fit through that little hole?

Xzerion please fix this now, not when another guild starts using it. Thanks

I still don't know why DA is insinuating corruption on the only member of the staff of this server that I know for sure has the best interest of the server at heart, aside from Nilbog.

I find it highly doubtful that Xzerion would implement a development change that wasn't proven to be classic or in line with the time-line the server is following. Sometimes fixes aren't proven for a long time. Remember that Glare-Lord in Fear? How many months did it take for that to get fixed. Get your collective heads out of Durison's ass.

Have you found evidence proving otherwise? It'd certainly help your case and you wouldn't have to risk getting banned for slandering members of the staff.

[Ronas]

If you can't kill bees with 140 members than either the staff of P99 is retarded or DA is retarded.

I'm gonna take the easy option on this one and stick to it.

Dont think ever seen 140 DA online ever, not even seen anything close to 60-70. But would be neat if there was.

[Ronas]

I still don't know why DA is insinuating corruption on the only member of the staff of this server that I know for sure has the best interest of the server at heart, aside from Nilbog.

I find it highly doubtful that Xzerion would implement a development change that wasn't proven to be classic or in line with the time-line the server is following. Sometimes fixes aren't proven for a long time. Remember that Glare-Lord in Fear? How many months did it take for that to get fixed. Get your collective heads out of Durison's ass.

Have you found evidence proving otherwise? It'd certainly help your case and you wouldn't have to risk getting banned for slandering members of the staff.

Please read it again, was a ask if it can be fixed. Didnt say anything about him being bad or whatever, was a complement to note him to fix instead of another dev. Because i am sure he is capable of doing it.

And for the record, the second part about "before another guild starts using it" , theres a track record that things are change not when IB does it but when another guild using the same strat that IB does. Found it abit weird so i added that extra part in to give him a heads up, not that he doesnt already know about this issue with the vox shit.

[Inglourious jizzlobber]

http://i51.tinypic.com/mbsp5k.jpg

/thread

[Brad_mo123]

WOW karsten, calm down man cuz they posted this vid of you being killed on youtube.

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[Otto]

Please read it again, was a ask if it can be fixed. Didnt say anything about him being bad or whatever, was a complement to note him to fix instead of another dev. Because i am sure he is capable of doing it.

And for the record, the second part about "before another guild starts using it" , theres a track record that things are change not when IB does it but when another guild using the same strat that IB does. Found it abit weird so i added that extra part in to give him a heads up, not that he doesnt already know about this issue with the vox shit.

Clearly you don't remember vox being pulled to zone line and pulling through walls.

It's ok. I'm sure the devs will just take your word for it.

[Atennu]

I still don't know why DA is insinuating corruption on the only member of the staff of this server that I know for sure has the best interest of the server at heart, aside from Nilbog.

I find it highly doubtful that Xzerion would implement a development change that wasn't proven to be classic or in line with the time-line the server is following. Sometimes fixes aren't proven for a long time. Remember that Glare-Lord in Fear? How many months did it take for that to get fixed. Get your collective heads out of Durison's ass.

Have you found evidence proving otherwise? It'd certainly help your case and you wouldn't have to risk getting banned for slandering members of the staff.

Totally in agreement with Otto. Xzerion has done nothing but put the BEST intentions of the server first. He's a great guy; and probably the best at enforcing the rules. Anyone's who has been in IB for more then 2 months would know this.

[Misto]

Totally in agreement with Otto. Xzerion has done nothing but put the BEST intentions of the server first. He's a great guy; and probably the best at enforcing the rules. Anyone's who has been in IB for more then 2 months would know this.

lol read that paragraph and ask yourself why only people in IB think Xzerion is a good GM.

Good day sir.

[karsten]

giganto that totally turned me on

[Ronas]

... first i said i dont think vox going through walls is legit and someone called me out saying why its a expliot when i didnt say that. So i said, yah how vox get squeezed through a small hole. Which in turn explains its a expliot, regardless if its like that on live or not.

secondly, i didnt call out anything slandering like to any dev/gm which you think i did for some stupid reason

now you implying crap that isnt meant to be part of the game but was in fact a expliot about how vox can be pulled to zone.

Beginning to think all you IB people bunch of morons. But the few that troll in here sure are, and yes it will reflect back on your guild now.

[Pheer]

lol read that paragraph and ask yourself why only people in IB think Xzerion is a good GM.

Good day sir.

facepalm imminent

[Ronas]

Beginning to think all you IB people bunch of morons.

Woops, i guess thats slandering a dev.

[karsten]

you are dumb

[Phallax]

Dont think ever seen 140 DA online ever, not even seen anything close to 60-70. But would be neat if there was.

DA had over 90 on a CT kill when I was guilded with em. Im sure theyve pushed that 140 mark by now.

[karsten]

DA had over 90 on a CT kill

jesus christ

[Bosey101]

DA had over 90 on a CT kill when I was guilded with em. Im sure theyve pushed that 140 mark by now.

Thats cool cuz we got him before IB with 27 people and they had 40 GG :D

[Rahnza]

Xzerion's probably one of the nicest dudes on the server, it's funny how much random unwarranted hate he gets.

[Ronas]

DA had over 90 on a CT kill when I was guilded with em. Im sure theyve pushed that 140 mark by now.

Damn wish i was there

[Ronas]

Xzerion's probably one of the nicest dudes on the server, it's funny how much random unwarranted hate he gets.

Its all the other members of IB that make him look like it. Same with other members in DA which make durison look like it.

[Absentia]

Thats cool cuz we got him before IB with 27 people and they had 40 GG :D

I've seen you guys drop from 36 to 3 on Draco. Racing is 1 thing, straight failure is not.

[xshayla701]

omgf who gives a shit

[Hasbinbad]

omgf who gives a shit
obv

[xshayla701]

obv

YOU GET ME
entertain me in ircccc

[Thatguy05]

I've seen you guys drop from 36 to 3 on Draco. Racing is 1 thing, straight failure is not.


cuz IB dont wipe yo, only if its their ass after poop-in-sock. Oh and when they try to leapfrog to naggy and get pwned.. 36 to 0 and lost the kill > 36 to 3 ?

[korrowan]

Totally in agreement with Otto. Xzerion has done nothing but put the BEST intentions of the server first. He's a great guy; and probably the best at enforcing the rules. Anyone's who has been in IB for more then 2 months would know this.

Manipulating the rules and enforcing the rules are 2 different things. Finding loopholes is lame.

[Absentia]

cuz IB dont wipe yo, only if its their ass after poop-in-sock. Oh and when they try to leapfrog to naggy and get pwned.. 36 to 0 and lost the kill > 36 to 3 ?

Engaged with 5 not 36?

[Henini]

DA had over 90 on a CT kill when I was guilded with em. Im sure theyve pushed that 140 mark by now.

With these numbers they should be taking on both fear and hate at the same time. not all in 1 zone.

[Ihealyou]

This thread used to be fun, but now its the same as the 100 other threads about DA and IB :(

Can't you guys at least think of new insults for each other? Everyone's already heard this shit.

[nilbog]

*tosses some facts on this*


Xzerion please fix this now, not when another guild starts using it. Thanks

He fixed this within 24 hours of it happening.
We haven't had a patch since then. (November 16ish?)


Getsome is bound in Solb.
You could bind in Fear (last I was there).
You can Charm in Fear.
I've had GMs depop our dragon and respawn them for IB.
I've seen IB kill a dragon and GMs give loot to both guilds.
Manastone is suppose to work in fearplane, hateplane, and sky.
Manastone was turned off DURING kunark.

While vox fitting through the small hole doesn't make sense, it's not like there are more serious issues just sitting out there that doesn't even connect with how it really was.


Getsome is bound in Solb.How did this happen?

You could bind in Fear (last I was there).You could always bind as a caster in fearplane. Look it up.

You can Charm in Fear.You sure can. Look it up.

Manastone is suppose to work in fearplane, hateplane, and sky.
Manastone was turned off DURING kunark.No.

That happened in January 2000. Which is beyond where we are at now on the timeline, and definitely before Kunark. Look it up.

Any *issues that had GM in it are not even worth discussing. It has been done to death in the past.